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Samsung i607 blackjack (RELEASED)
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Posted by: gps

First of all...I'm not a prof. photographer...as if you can't tell.

If you want stuff answered about software, let me know. It's runs SmartPhone software, but there's A LOT more on this puppy than there is the 2125...A LOT MORE!!

Posted by: D0lphin

It has come up on the dsl reports and another thread said that their office mate was testing it. Any release date?

Posted by: cuidinsider

thats cute, its got windows on it it will be the samsung R right after the moto Q
lol

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by D0lphin

It has come up on the dsl reports and another thread said that their office mate was testing it. Any release date?

DSL reports???

"Office mate testing it...." that would have been me.

"When will it come out?" Man, I'm not going to fall into that trap. With Cingular you just never know. I post a lost of tentative dates, but...... It'll be out when it's ready. I do know that testing for this device has gone REALLY WELL. There's a Podcast feature on this phone that hiccups every once in awhile. Other than that, it works perfectly!!

Posted by: D0lphin

GPS- As you guessed I am very interested in this phone. You won't fall into a trap. It seems there are a lot of WM5 smartphones and PPC coming. I guess I am a gadget geek. They build it it will come!

Posted by: .7

Man that thing looks cheap from where I sit.

Im sure it looks and feels better in person, but man I just dont know on this one.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

Man that thing looks cheap from where I sit.

Im sure it looks and feels better in person, but man I just dont know on this one.

7,
It's very solid and a lot heavier than the size would have you think. It's a bit top-heavy, but that's b/c the hump on the back (camera). I'll take a picture of the back. The back is "rubberized", sort of like the feel that colored part of a Moto V551/557 had. The scroll wheel on the side is very good. I'd even say it's on par, or better that those on RIM devices. The button pushes an firm and the key are not loose...as some raised-key devices can have. It's a nice phone. Again, my only issue so far is that the keys are almost too close together, but there's only so much space.

Posted by: tdawgmd

That's the Q with samsung badging. If it is as good a product as the Q, it will be a very good seller.

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

First of all...I'm not a prof. photographer...as if you can't tell.

If you want stuff answered about software, let me know. It's runs SmartPhone software, but there's A LOT more on this puppy than there is the 2125...A LOT MORE!!

Enjoy the photos.

Looks like you have a voicemail - better check that.....

I'll be buying this phone the INSTANT it becomes available.....

THANKS for the pics !

Posted by: D0lphin

8525, i607, E62, and the Treo 750. I think that the E62 would be the only one I would hesitate because of it's big form factor and lack of 3g capability. What would everyone else get if they were all released Friday?

Posted by: cjmedina

looks nice hows the voice is it pretty loud? how sharp is the screen? what about the battery life?

Posted by: truE_

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjmedina

looks nice hows the voice is it pretty loud? how sharp is the screen? what about the battery life?

Those are my concerns as well. GPS, it would be great if you could comment on both the 'loudness' of the earpeace speaker and the speakerphone. Is it loud enough to hold a 'professional' conference call through speakerphone?

Is the battery life greater or the same than the i320? Thanks.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjmedina

looks nice hows the voice is it pretty loud? how sharp is the screen? what about the battery life?

Plenty loud for me. I can't help but compare the sound and screen to the 2125...maybe b/c the screen looks so similar. The only thing I don't like about the screen is I don't feel it's tall enough. I'm used to the height being more than the width. This one is almost a perfect square. There's a Samsung branded homescreen that's very nice and is very similar to Spb Pocket Plus. That's a nice touch.

As for battery life...I haven't had it long enough. Battery life really isn't an issue for me. I charge my phone every night, so I don't have battery issues.

Posted by: truE_

A few other things, is it 'cingular' branded. Do you know if a T-Mobile sim will work? I can deal with a charge every night as well, but there are many reports of the i320 only making it half a day with even moderate usage. Is the batter 1000mh?

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by truE_

The earpiece is plenty loud and the speaker phone portion is better than average. I just checked my voicemail using it and it was easily heard form 5 feet away. There are not factory audio/video clips loaded, so I don't know how music would sound from the speaker.

Oh, another thing I hate about this (and almost all new phones)...the usb/power hookup is like nothing I've seen before. For those of you with the 3125...it looks a lot like that, but a tad wider. So, no more mini-usb like the other SmartPhones I've used.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by truE_

A few other things, is it 'cingular' branded. Do you know if a T-Mobile sim will work? I can deal with a charge every night as well, but there are many reports of the i320 only making it half a day with even moderate usage. Is the batter 1000mh?

It's "Cingular Branded"...it's a Cingular test unit.

It will NOT accept another carrier's SIM...we tried that in the office.

The battery doesn't list the milliamps. It only has the Samsung logo on it and "Standard Battery".

Posted by: ACHI

GPS, would you be able to put this next to a RAZR, I'm having a hard time coming to grips with its size.

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Originally Posted by gps

Posted by: berdinkerdickle

I know it's been said that as far as WM for Smartphone, you can't edit native MSword files.

But, just so I can be sure that I will have to pass on this one, Is that true of this one?
I will need to be able to receive Word and Excel files in Email, Edit them, and then send them back off.

Thanks

Posted by: BD1

gps: thanks for sharing.

Is Wifi enabled or did Cingular shut it off?

Posted by: Quatre

Quote:

Originally Posted by D0lphin

8525, i607, E62, and the Treo 750. I think that the E62 would be the only one I would hesitate because of it's big form factor and lack of 3g capability. What would everyone else get if they were all released Friday?

well basically what I'm looking for is a wm for ppc phone with touchscreen (so no smartphone) with highspeed data and wifi in a thin form factor. and though I love the pull out keyboard of htc wizard and apaches (writing this from an apche now) I have come to realize that for everyday on the go one handed use, the exposed keyboard (like treo or moto Q) is just more convenient/easier to use (especially while driving etc)

I think that's everything I insist on and they re all features in current phons but not all in one.

I hate how so many copy the Q instead of trying to beat it by adding wifi,making screen larger and making it wm for ppc (ie. touchscreen and more features/ capability like text/doc editing)

I heard the gsm Q might add wifi. that is good but I don't want another Q.

so add nice large high qualiy scren to my sort list of must haves for a pda phone.

so of the ones you mentioned and I know of the cing 8525/htc tytn has everything except the thin form factor and exposed kybrd for better one handed use.

this samsung i607/blackjack sems cool but does it have wfi or not? and in the end its another smartphone (with qwerty kybrd) so not as good as wm for ppc phone.

treo 750 could be the winner for me if it has wifi and a thinner form factor though I also don't like the square screen of the treos or the Q and its copies including the blackjack.

seems like there is no thin wm for ppc device only thin smartphone with qwerty like the Q and its copies so in the end I may have to chooe between a thin smartphone or a slight thicker wm for ppc phone. I know new treos are supposed to be sleeker with internal antenna so that's a start and I could live with the thickness and maybe even the square screen if they would just add damn wifi already to the treos.

but I do love the htc apache and tytn screen with portrait and landscape capability so maybe I'll deal with the bulk of it for the power (fastest processor of the ones you listed) and I'm pretty good even while driving with the apache so I'll just have to sharpen up my one handed use skils with the tough to maneuver slide out kybrd type device.

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

yeah-- there still hasn't been the "perfect" device created yet. it's frustrating considering the technology is out there. but this i-607 is dang near perfect. if it could just edit Word, Excel, etc. documents and have GPS-- it would be the worlds most perfect device ever. It seems like it's the best device created to date though-- that's why I'm getting this one no matter what. Just need to get it un-locked so I can use it on t-mo.

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARHYTHMATIK

yeah-- there still hasn't been the "perfect" device created yet. it's frustrating considering the technology is out there. but this i-607 is dang near perfect. if it could just edit Word, Excel, etc. documents and have GPS-- it would be the worlds most perfect device ever. It seems like it's the best device created to date though-- that's why I'm getting this one no matter what. Just need to get it un-locked so I can use it on t-mo.

Samsung i320's have been out and unlocked for a while - they're on ebay for sale and it has 1900 only so it's perfect for T-Mobile....

Posted by: D0lphin

I have not looked but for the smartphone edition don't you think a developer would try to cash in on this shortcoming. Kind of like the docd to go for the palm. I give it some time and the smartphone will have similiar funcionality but maybe with third party apps!

Posted by: Dr. John

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

Oh, another thing I hate about this (and almost all new phones)...the usb/power hookup is like nothing I've seen before. For those of you with the 3125...it looks a lot like that, but a tad wider. So, no more mini-usb like the other SmartPhones I've used.

gps, I think that connector is the same one that's on the Sammy SCH-d807. I agree though, it's a damn shame. Mini-USB should be ridiculously easy to add onto these phones. The only reason I can see for not adding a mini-USB connector is to increase peripheral/accessory sales.

Sucks.

I still want the phone though.

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

Samsung i320's have been out and unlocked for a while - they're on ebay for sale and it has 1900 only so it's perfect for T-Mobile....

yeah but there's no scroll wheel on the i320. plus do they have Wi-Fi? i've read some reviews that say it does, and some that say it doesnt. plus no video phone on the front for video calls.

Posted by: maevro

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

Samsung i320's have been out and unlocked for a while - they're on ebay for sale and it has 1900 only so it's perfect for T-Mobile....

I was looking at them too, they have them for sale unlocked on amazon too.

Posted by: hondaguy

you mentioned that there were many included apps. so what are they? is wifi working? what kind of usage do you get out of it per day (how long on the phone, messaging, web surfing, etc) before needing to recharge it?
thanks

Posted by: ckurt25

GPS or anyone else - Any idea on the dimensions of the phone or could you post comparision photos? You mentioned the 2125. If you have one of those to shoot next to or a razr, treo...

I'm a phone in the pocket kind of guy and am using a 5600 and thinking of upgrading soon. The 3125 looks good but would consider this if its more narrow than a 8125 or similar. I thought it was Samsung that was working on WM flip phone w/ something like a suretype qwerty keyboard. That would be close to an ideal phone for me.

Posted by: BD1

I think I read somewhere: 111 mm x 59 mm x 11.5 mm, 96g. It is about the same size as the Samsung i320 which you can find some reviews about.

This review http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5425.html is quite good and has some video of it in action so you get a good feel of the size of a very similar samsung phone. The size and funtionality is quite impressive.

Posted by: ckurt25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BD1

I think I read somewhere: 111 mm x 59 mm x 11.5 mm, 96g. It is about the same size as the Samsung i320 which you can find some reviews about.

This review http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5425.html is quite good and has some video of it in action so you get a good feel of the size of a very similar samsung phone. The size and funtionality is quite impressive.

Thanks! That is bigger (H & W) than an 8125 and not what I would consider pocketable. I mean you could if you had to but you could also put 24 oz bottle of Coke in your pocket if you had to. Doesn't mean you want to.

This is the phone I was thinking of - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/...-up-in-the-fcc/
Just too bad no 850 band. I love that built in RSS reader. I'm sure if I get a 3125 right after the return date passes a version of this Samsung flip will come out on Cingular.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Well I took the specs of the i320, 2125 and the Q off phonescoop and plugged them into Illustrator to compare.

Hope this helps people visualize the difference between the three.

Hopefully this will help hold you over until we can get some real pics!

Posted by: bigneeker

i have the samsung i320 (about same size as i607) and its 1/3 the size of the 8125. it is absolutely tiny. i keep on checking my pockets to see if its there because im used to feeling the bulk of my phone in my pocket.
it is the smallest smartphone with a keyboard in the world, its smaller than the q and better looking imo.
unfortunately all this smallness affects the battery life.

Posted by: pavvento

How bad is the battery life?

Posted by: rkdiddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckurt25

I think the thing that makes the 8125 not "pocketable" is the thickness. It is almost 3 times thicker than the i320/i607. Plus, remember it is only a fraction taller and wider. Check my comparison shot, I revised it to include the 8125, just for you.

Posted by: BD1

rkdiddy, this is very helpful. Maybe you can add a few of the following. And make it actual size

Here are some size stats that I collected. Some stats might be slightly off as I see very slight differences of size listings on different web sites. I think it is pretty cool that that i607 about the same size as the slvr but the i607 is a full smartphone.

Name LxWxD(mm) W(grams) Vol(LxWxD)
i607 111x59x11.5 96 grams 75,314
Treo 111x59x22 156 grams 141,636
Q 116x63x11.5 115 grams 84,042
Slvr 114x49x13.5 85 grams 75,411
Razr 98x53x14 97 grams 72,716

Posted by: Hands Diamond

@gps: Thank you for sharing your experience with us!
I have some further questions about the i607.

Is the CPU sufficient? I guess it should be the TI with only 220Mhz, isn't it?

How loud are the keys? I was quite surprised when I saw this video of the i320
http://x.msmobiles.com/lh/images/sgh320/i320bylutzh.wmv
I hope the keys of the i320 aren't that loud in real life, because that would strongly narrow the utility of the device for me.

And finally, the question which all of us are quite curious about: How is battery life?

Thanks, HD

Posted by: autigers20

does anyone else find it that hump on the back a little ironic? what is it with cingular, wm smartphones, and humps?

Posted by: ckurt25

I hate to be picky but being "thin" and having small volume don't necessarily make a phone pocketable. If there were a phone made that was 5 mm thick but was 150 mm tall and 80 mm wide, the volume would be like 60,000. Which technically is much smaller than the 607 but try putting that in your pocket. I'll go ahead and do the math and tell you that its over 2 inches taller than a razr and over an inch wider than a razr. Sure you can put that in your pocket but its going to hurt to sit down.

Don't get me wrong, the 607 is small but not my ideal pocketable phone. I am not sure we're going to see a pocketable qwerty keyboard phone unless its a suretype or similar keyboard. Samsungs new phone on tmo (t719) that has blackberry connect is one. Its actuall bigger than a razr, 607 or Q in terms of volume at 86,292 but at 94x51x18 its basically the same size as a razr and smaller than a moto mpx220. Its also a bit bigger, in terms of volume than my SMT5600 but I don't think anyone is going to say its not pocketable. Just make it a Smartphone and we're all set.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Does anyone have any information on the release date of this phone???

I'm trying to decide whether I should buy a i320 or wait if this phone is going to be out in the next month or so???

Posted by: liquidsg

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkdiddy

Does anyone have any information on the release date of this phone???

I'm trying to decide whether I should buy a i320 or wait if this phone is going to be out in the next month or so???

I concur. Wheres all the info on this thing?

Posted by: jrbutler1

GPS hasn't been seen on this thread in quite some time. I'm in the same boat, i've been waiting to make the plunge but think this is as close to the answer as i'm going to get for a little while.... if it only had wifi.

Posted by: s2kvietboi

nice ill be getting this

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

It does have wifi doesn't it?

Posted by: Ihavenosignal

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARHYTHMATIK

It does have wifi doesn't it?

It doesn't have wifi.

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Well that sucketh. It was almost the perfect device!

Posted by: KlamshellKing

WHY DO PEOPLE WANT WIFI??? It has 3g which is the main selling point... 3g takes half the battery... wifi battery life on this would be like 30mins. If you want a smartphone with wifi get the excalibur

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenosignal

It doesn't have wifi.

Yea whats up with that...HSDPA can do VOIP fine enough, but wouldn't use their cellular capacity, to get you in building coverage.

Not to mention faster surfing(maybe but may also be limited by the phones processor)

Posted by: KlamshellKing

HSDPA holds onto a signal better than wifi i think

Posted by: Dr. John

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisher12991

WHY DO PEOPLE WANT WIFI??? It has 3g which is the main selling point... 3g takes half the battery... wifi battery life on this would be like 30mins. If you want a smartphone with wifi get the excalibur

Because sometimes, we can get wifi where we can't get data coverage (in the middle of a building). I'm also not a fan of paying Cingular's ridiculous data rates. I usually find myself at or near a few hotspots or wireless networks every day, so I would like to have the option to use wifi.

Of course, the data plan would be $20 on the i607, so it's really not all that bad. $40 for the PDA data plan (if I were to get the 8525) is waaaaay too much.

And the excalibur is fugly.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. John

Of course, the data plan would be $20 on the i607, so it's really not all that bad. $40 for the PDA data plan (if I were to get the 8525) is waaaaay too much.

And the excalibur is fugly.

Boy I hope you're right about the data package price. This baby has me written all over it if I can use a BT keyboard in a car while the phone is in a cradle.

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by kisher12991

There are lots of reasons why ppl want WiFi.

1.) the Cingular 3G rollout is pretty sparse right now
2.) While inside large metal buildings, the GSM signal can be low or non-existant. Imagine you are at a conention center, have zero signal, but they have hotspots setup, you can flip on wifi, get your e-mail, make voip calls, then flip it off again.

I personally don't use WiFi on my TyTN all that much, its more of a novalty for me, however until Cingular has 3G coverage at least as good as Verizon does, then there will be loud cries for WiFi on devices, especially from this community who tend to be more tech savvy!

Posted by: autigers20

i agree with both of the comments:

- people want wifi because 3g is not reliable/fast enough
- wifi on a phone is not worth crap unless you have it plugged in because the batteries on these devices can't handle it

anywhere i can plug my phone in to use wifi for length of time - i might as well just pull my laptop out - so i personally find it useless.

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihavenosignal

It doesn't have wifi.

You sure?!?!?

Posted by: rkdiddy

Well I did a little digging and it looks like GPS listed the i607 under his speculation time frame of "Nov 16th"...

Again, he stresses this is just speculation. Seems like we will be waiting a little bit longer.

Posted by: rkdiddy

I saw this over at Smartphone Thoughts...this is a great visual comparision for those trying to decide between the Excalibur, i320 and Q (assuming it comes to GSM).

ARTICLE

Posted by: ckurt25

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkdiddy

I saw this over at Smartphone Thoughts...this is a great visual comparision for those trying to decide between the Excalibur, i320 and Q (assuming it comes to GSM).

ARTICLE

Very cool.

Posted by: JMBrown

Hmm...it's gonna be a hard choice for me between the excalibur and this phone.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by autigers20

i agree with both of the comments:

- people want wifi because 3g is not reliable/fast enough
- wifi on a phone is not worth crap unless you have it plugged in because the batteries on these devices can't handle it

anywhere i can plug my phone in to use wifi for length of time - i might as well just pull my laptop out - so i personally find it useless.

That's an odd comment, aren't you in a Google net free WIFI area? Recently I was and used it for free and loved every minute of it.

Are you guy's even sure about WiFi chips using a lot of current...they are making better chips everyday. I can't say if the carriers are using these new ones and I'm sure Moto will be the last to buy them, they do have a history of making bad supplier choices(

), but they are available.

Posted by: DruB

samsung rep came in yesterday with one and to me its got a really nice build quality and the scroll wheel was really smooth. I didnt read through the whole forum but Cingular is getting a liftime exclusive he said and they are calling it the Blackjack

Posted by: rkdiddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by DruB

samsung rep came in yesterday with one and to me its got a really nice build quality and the scroll wheel was really smooth. I didnt read through the whole forum but Cingular is getting a liftime exclusive he said and they are calling it the Blackjack

Drew, that is some good stuff. Did he happen to mention when it would be released?

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by DruB

Yep, do a net search for Cingular and Blackjack and you get all the specs/info you could want about this phone. I have seen it and it is very nice and very small. The downside for me is the Smartphone version of WM5.

Posted by: Ihavenosignal

The lack of wifi caused me to buy the 8125.

Posted by: RF9

I thought this phone (i607/Blackjack) does have Wi-Fi. That's one reason why I was considering it.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

I thought this phone (i607/Blackjack) does have Wi-Fi. That's one reason why I was considering it.

RF9, The Samsung i600 DOES have wi-fi and HSPDA, however it is unclear as to whether or not Cingular will remove/disable it. Last we heard...GPS said he was unable to find the comm manager (where you usually turn-on wifi in WM5), so he was unsure if it had wi-fi.

So far the only person that has come forward with having one of the test units is GPS. Unfortunately, we haven't seen him around this thread for a few days.

Hopefully additional i607 testers will give us some more info soon.

Posted by: RF9

Oh got it. I must have missed that. Sorry.

Posted by: berdinkerdickle

Yea, too bad it's the S ver. of WM.
I need to able to edit doc & xls files.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle

Yea, too bad it's the S ver. of WM.
I need to able to edit doc & xls files.

I've seen this mentioned a few times. I know in the past my smartphones have come with Clearvue (might be wrong on the name). I was under the understanding it would allow you to view and make slight modifications to Excel and Word docs?

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

I think Clearvue is just a pdf reader.

Yeah- what about purchasing an i600 that supposedly has wi-fi and HSPDA from overseas and using it here? Anyone planning on doing that?

Posted by: rkdiddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARHYTHMATIK

I think Clearvue is just a pdf reader.

Yeah- what about purchasing an i600 that supposedly has wi-fi and HSPDA from overseas and using it here? Anyone planning on doing that?

I think that will be a good option for us T-mobile users, but for the Cingular users the i600 (reportably) is only a tri-band device.

Posted by: maevro

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARHYTHMATIK

I think Clearvue is just a pdf reader.

It is. You can download adobe's pdf reader in a mobile version which I find a little better.

Posted by: Ihavenosignal

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

Oh got it. I must have missed that. Sorry.

Yeah gps couldn't find wifi anywhere on his test unit.

Posted by: guandalf

does any one know a release date for this baby?

Posted by: cingular#1

probably december around christmas

Posted by: D0lphin

Do you think that the samsung will be priced to compete with the motorola Q or is it more expensive of a device like the 750v?

Posted by: KlamshellKing

itll be like 199

Posted by: HectorV

Has anyone gotten any info on the battery life of this phone? does it match what people are getting out of the i320/i320N? is there any improvement? I saw in another forum that the battery has 50% more capacity that the current i320/N battery, any truth to this?

Posted by: hitechy

I wonder if the i607 will have video share???

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

What is video share?

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARHYTHMATIK

What is video share?

New feature Cingular is rolling out by the end of the year that is like video calling except it is only one way.

Posted by: hitechy

Guess what just got FCC approved

:

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...A3LSGHI607'

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitechy

Guess what just got FCC approved

:

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...A3LSGHI607'

How long do phones usually take to be released after it is approved by the FCC?? Does it have to go through cingular testing now, or has it passed through cingular testing already?

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlamshellKing

How long do phones usually take to be released after it is approved by the FCC?? Does it have to go through cingular testing now, or has it passed through cingular testing already?

It's usually the next day so I predict this phone will be available to order for $149.00 from Cingular's site on Wednesday for sure 100%.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlamshellKing

How long do phones usually take to be released after it is approved by the FCC?? Does it have to go through cingular testing now, or has it passed through cingular testing already?

Unfortunately, FCC approval doesn't mean a whole lot. Phones get approved all the time and never make it to market.

Another thing to note is those documents were submitted almost a month ago. There is a special note to hold pictures confidential for 180 days.

Maybe someone that works for Cingular can let us in on the timing??

By the way, where's GPS we haven't heard from him forever!

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

It's usually the next day so I predict this phone will be available to order for $149.00 from Cingular's site on Wednesday for sure 100%.

Hardy har har, that was so funny.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

yea, ive made the decision, I had my 8125 and my 3125 now, and i like smartphone alot, and i like ppc alot, but i think smartphone is more usable as a phone. So ill probably get the i607 instead of the 8525. However i wouldnt be surprised if i get both some how. But do you guys think itll be released this year atleast?

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlamshellKing

yea, ive made the decision, I had my 8125 and my 3125 now, and i like smartphone alot, and i like ppc alot, but i think smartphone is more usable as a phone. So ill probably get the i607 instead of the 8525. However i wouldnt be surprised if i get both some how. But do you guys think itll be released this year atleast?

It was scheduled for Q3, but you know how that goes. I agree with you on the Smartphone thing. I really don't use the touch screen on the 8125. It's just not need with a keyboard. The 8525 is huge compared to the i607 anyways. A 2 Megapixel camera would be nice though

Posted by: KlamshellKing

BUt thats what you have your k790 for... who needs a crappy htc camera when you have SEs camera. Yea, touchscreen annoys me... and the size almost doesnt even matter. Its the weight thats so often overlooked. 8525 is 6.2 ounces... yea its a fatty. i started a thread called tytn is a fatty a while ago

Posted by: Quatre

I use touchscreen all the time and prefer wm for ppc over wm for smartphone but I do agree that the smartphone is a little better as a phone and the i607 being thinner then the Cing 8525 (HTC TyTn) also makes it better as a phone.

as far as getting both, that sounds like what I may do, as i have to upgrades to use and as long as i hold off and dont use one to get the LGCU500 then i could get both and just consider the i607 as my more phone use one of the 2 and the 8525 as the pda phone.

the i607 being thin as it is, you can almost use it and consider it as a normal non pda/smartphone phone so that could work except neither are flip and i like to have at least one flip.

might import the krzr to replace my moto razr v3i for now while i'm using cing for just voice and no data.

which reminds me for once i'm in no rush for either the i607 or 8525 because they wont be as worth it without data and i'm not switching to data on cing until its equal to vzw's evdo coverage or at least close. would be pointless to switch data to a carrier with less high speed coverage. so for once i'm in no rush for these hsdpa capable pda phones but am kind of anxious to use my upgrades because they don't start over until i use them so i am at this point just prolonging when i will get my next upgrades on my 2 lines.

i know these other phone are off topic but its related to the i607 because that is the one I am definately waiting for/getting.

So which phone(s) will complement the samsung i607? krzr, LG Cu500, or Cing 8525.

i'm thinking krzr now while i only use cing for voice, then later use upgrade to get i607 as my main cing phone adn give krzr to wife for free incalling when i quit vzw and switch data to cing. Then maybe use other upgrade to get 8525 cus it will be expensive otherwise.

i am just worried the cing 8525 will be a crappy cheap ugly version of the htc tytn as was the case with the 8125 compared to the qtek version and imate kjam.

then i can always get the CU500 if i want an hsdpa capable flip phone full retail which by then wont be that much or just wait for the maxx but i wont be able to save the upgrade that long and if an 850 version comes out available for import i wont be able to wait for delayed cing release.

so yeah get krzr, now, then cing relase of samsung i607 with upgrade, maybe use second upgrade for 8525 and/or wait for maxx.

does the i607 have wifi btw?

if not i'm def going to need the 8525 and if by some blasphemy they take out the wifi then i'll import htc version.

Posted by: RF9

The i607 is thinner, yes. But it's also larger than the 8525 (H/L). Small brick vs. larger and nice an thin. Hmmmmm

Posted by: CoRupT

Its lacking wifi thats what i want in my next PPC phone.

Posted by: RF9

The i607 will have Wifi if I remember correctly. That's one reason I was considering it. Unlike the Palm 750 which won't.

Posted by: CoRupT

How accurate is that info? i really want wifi haha

EDIT: i did a google search and i found that a lot of sources lead back to this thread but also they included the wifi spec.

Posted by: RF9

All over the place. Google: i607 802.11b
Here's one place:http://mobilitytoday.com/news/00699...ar_samsung_i607
Basically a while back I discovered on Cingular DevCentral they had listed the Cingular 8525. Engadget picked up on it and noticed the i607 was listed there. I remember the detials page listed WiFi. That page was removed, though.
It's also based pretty much on the i300 which is out.
Here's one more source:
http://mobilitytoday.com/news/00699...ar_samsung_i607
But for all I know everyone is getting their info from the same incorrect source and it doesn't have Wi-Fi.

Posted by: Crossblade

As far as I know it will NOT feature wlan - "just" UMTS/HSDPA (dual-band for US, not capable of Europe 3G (2100mhz)

FCC blesses Samsung i607 3G Smartphone for Cingular

The SGH-i607 Blackjack is the successor of the i320 and Samsung’s answer to the Motorola Q – a slim smartphone on Windows Mobile with landscape QVGA display and full QWERTY keyboard, featuring 3G high-speed data – it is quad-band GSM and dual-band UMTS/HSDPA phone for the US, whose 3G frequencies it supports. We’ve already seen live images of the phone, and Cingular roadmap showing it, but as it is now approved by the FCC, the biggest mobile phone carrier in the States may launch it really soon! The half-inch thick smartphone has 1.3-megapixel camera, microSD slot for memory and all the bells and whistles of Windows Mobile smartphone.

Samsung SGH-i607 Complete Specifications

Source: PhoneArena.com

Posted by: KlamshellKing

So any release date specualtion on this thing??

Posted by: JMBrown

I read in another thread, maybe the 8525 thread that someone had heard from someone "very high up" at Cingular that this would be out sometime in November.

take with a grain of salt...

Posted by: KlamshellKing

i hate cingular

Posted by: CoRupT

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Originally Posted by KlamshellKing

i hate cingular

ok.. that doesnt have anything postive to say about the thread.

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Quote:

i hate cingular

HAHAHA! thats hilarious

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

me too lol

Posted by: SymbianBlack

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Originally Posted by ARHYTHMATIK

me too lol

You shouldnt even POST negative things you dont even have 100 post yet!!!

Posted by: maevro

According to Gizmodo it just got FCC approval and should be out very soon.

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

But for all I know everyone is getting their info from the same incorrect source and it doesn't have Wi-Fi.

seems that they all are

Posted by: hitechy

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Originally Posted by I have a phone

seems that they all are

That sucks... They really hate any non-PPC phone having Wi-Fi.

Posted by: VelfarreClubber

With the micro sd slot can you add in wi-fi??? sorry if this has been answered before

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Wirelessly posted (HTC-3100/1.2 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows CE; Smartphone; 240x320))

i dont think you can add wi fi via micro sd yet because there are no micro sd wi fi cards yet

Posted by: CoRupT

Spectec the same company who made the very mini-SD wifi card is devolping a micro-SD wifi card

Posted by: VelfarreClubber

dang, i really need a pda phone by late Nov (b-day) i really like the looks of this phone should i get a ipaq and add in a sd wi-fi card? i was all about the 8525 mostly because of wifi and cpu,but after playing with the 8125 i find that its too bulky for my taste

Posted by: CoRupT

After looking at it i might be getting the HTC excalibur instead i think its coming out this month Oct 16

Posted by: iinviktus

I read its getting a slower processor than the i320.. Omap in the i607 @ about 220mhz VS a 4XXmhz samsung processor.

Posted by: RF9

The excalibur is nice. But the i607 has HSDPA, the Excalibur is EDGE.

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Quote:

The excalibur is nice. But the i607 has HSDPA, the Excalibur is EDGE.

very true. if they just didn't take out wifi, i don't see any other smartphone even comparing to the i607

Posted by: CoRupT

Yeah but id rather have wifi then HSPDA i dont have have a data plan so its useless to me.

Posted by: VTECaddict

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoRupT

Yeah but id rather have wifi then HSPDA i dont have have a data plan so its useless to me.

yeah i dont have a data plan, so i would much rather have WiFi than HSDPA. WiFi = free.

but that's probably a big factor in disabling it (if they really did) since wifi = no revenue for cingular.

Posted by: VelfarreClubber

no wifi no sale from me

Posted by: efishta

Quote:

Originally Posted by VelfarreClubber

no wifi no sale from me

I'm going to sell my 8125 (due to its bulk) and I still want a pda to organize my life as a student (very disorganized by nature), but nothing as bulky. So I'm thinking, wow this phone has a keyboard (which comes in handy with tasks, occasional notes, sms and email), and WiFi, which allows me as a poor student to use it around campus (because I can't afford the data rates), so I was pretty happy, and instead of buying a regular phone and separate PDA, it would be a good balance between size and function, replacing my 8125 in the proccess...

Then Cingular goes and removes WiFi, and in this case, it made me change my mind. However, since I can't live without a smartphone, i'm still going to get the HTC Str Trk, but it is cheap (relatively) at $150 and they would have made more had they sold me the Samsung i607 (I'm assuming it would cost at least $50-100 more than the Cingular 3125 aka. HTC Str Trk) and will end up with me getting an Axim X51V because it's just a much better overall PDA than any of these convergence devices (it is a dedicated unit though, so that's obvious)

So ultimately I would say Cingular lost money in my case, and I would guess there are more people in similar situations where WiFi makes or breaks the deal.

Posted by: electrician

guys , i dont think the Wifi issue is a big deal, i mean its not like cingular charges high data rates like verizon ? its going to be probably just extra 19.99 a month for 500kps-700kps which is not bad for a speed of that kind !
look at T-mobile charging the same 19.99 for edge speed(84kps-134kps)
and look at verizon charging like 29.00 or 39.99 a month for data....

Conclusion: if you are like me, a sling player user and you finally get a chance to get your hands on this beast machine called samsung i607 , which has the THIN Phone factor , Windows mobile (for slingbox of course) UMTS, and did i forget to mention much smaller then the Q

my personal opinion is , if i can get a unit that feels comfortable in my pocket (thin and small) with out sacrificing the specs i need to watch 200 + live channels (also great for sports fans) then i think everyone needs to stop crying about no wifi and start posting some pressure on cingular to release this thing already

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by electrician

guys , i dont think the Wifi issue is a big deal, i mean its not like cingular charges high data rates like verizon ? its going to be probably just extra 19.99 a month for 500kps-700kps which is not bad for a speed of that kind !
look at T-mobile charging the same 19.99 for edge speed(84kps-134kps)
and look at verizon charging like 29.00 or 39.99 a month for data....

Cingular charges 20 bucks too in most of their markets there is no 3G.

So you don't think Cingular will want a PDA $40.00 plan with this phone? Hmmm. lets wait an see!

Posted by: electrician

just in case you did'nt know cingular has a smartphone plan and a pda phone plan and also the samsung phone will not be considered a full pda and will be catigorized as a smartphone (19.99)

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by electrician

just in case you did'nt know cingular has a smartphone plan and a pda phone plan and also the samsung phone will not be considered a full pda and will be catigorized as a smartphone (19.99)

Okidoke you know better than I!

Posted by: CoRupT

Are you sure? why wouldnt cingular categorize the i607 as a pda phone? they do with the E61,8125?

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Um, maybe because it runs windows SMARTPHONE!!

Are you guys sure it will be released by November??

Posted by: hitechy

I hope the phone has A2DP. My SE HBH-DS970 would be sweet with an i607.

Posted by: mafiazz

Quote:

Originally Posted by electrician

just in case you did'nt know cingular has a smartphone plan and a pda phone plan and also the samsung phone will not be considered a full pda and will be catigorized as a smartphone (19.99)

actually it is a UMTS/HSDPA handset that requires a Cingular Video Plan of either 19.99 for unlimited cingular video, media net and messaging or $29.99 for more messaging.

it is not classified as a "smartphone". i.e. a 3125 is a smartphone.

Posted by: jcjdoss

Samsung i607 phone size comparison

Click the above link to see the i607 side by side to other popular phones.

Posted by: cingular#1

what happend to gps?

Posted by: electrician

testing time probably ended for him, maybe he had to return the phone . or he could just gotten in trouble for showing off some pretty costly pics(i607)

Posted by: jcjdoss

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcjdoss

Samsung i607 phone size comparison

Click the above link to see the i607 side by side to other popular phones.

[UPDATE] removed refections for accurate printing

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by maevro

It is. You can download adobe's pdf reader in a mobile version which I find a little better.

ClearVue is a lot more than just a PDF viewer. It also opens Word, Excel and they have another proggy that opens PowerPoint.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by cingular#1

what happend to gps?

I'm alive and kicking. No trouble, but I need to lay low on it a bit. Got a funny feeling about things, so I cooled it a bit.

My "testing time" did run out...so to say. However, I'll get it back and answer some of the questions that people have asked (operating system, etc.). The big question seems to be about WiFi. Again, to the best of my knowledge, there is NO WiFi.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by mafiazz

it is not classified as a "smartphone". i.e. a 3125 is a smartphone.

Not sure I completely understand what you're saying. At this time, Cingular IS calling this a SmartPhone. Same software that's on the 2125 and 3125...with a few extra programs.

If you're saying something different, just disregard.

Peace

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

I'm alive and kicking. No trouble, but I need to lay low on it a bit. Got a funny feeling about things, so I cooled it a bit.

interesting

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

interesting

It is, isn't it?

Posted by: I have a phone

did you have some sort of premonition that came to you in the middle of the night?

Posted by: Quatre

The big question seems to be about WiFi. Again, to the best of my knowledge, there is NO WiFi."

wtfux0r

godamn it. even gsm Q is going to have wifi but I already have a Q on cdma.

typing this now from xv6700 (htc apache) through wifi and phone isn't even active. wifi makes great use of a non activated phone though on gsm you can just pop in sim.

anyway I though I do love th slide out keyboard like on the htc wizard, apache and tyn (im much faster on apache keyboard then Q)

I do kind of like the on handedness of the exposed keyboard of the Q and othe exposed keyboard devices especially while driving.

but I prefer wm for ppc with touchscreen then limited smartphone.

this would lead me back to a treo as its exposed keyboard one andedness and ppc. mayne the new nitro intenaa treo with wm?

but no wifi on treo and I'm kind of over treos after having a gsm 650 but damnt why can't they make the i607 with wifi?

is there or will there be a wm ppc with exposed keyboard and wifi?

I do love the lanscape and portrait ability of apache and tytn etc. I use stylus and finger and keyboard on my apache.

guess ill just get the 8525 for wifi cus the i607 looks so delicious I may still have to get it.

I like moto but I like samsung tvs and think its funny when ppl call samsung ,moto black cus they release a black version of phone just like moto has in silver which is the case with blackjack heh.

plus I kind of hate mainstream mot and razr is played though I will get maxxand may import krzr before it comes out while I'm still using cing for just voice but yeah the Q though I like is kinda gay. I got it free through moto v710 class action heh. and moto bt stereo headphones whih reminds me does i607 have a2dp?

I just think it will be cooler then Q and best Q competer cus the htc one excalibur or whatever is like wide at bottom which seems it would be hard to hold one hand plus ugly.

but if gsm Q comes out with wifi and blackjack isn't that is going to blow and ruin it. don't fux0r it up sammy and don't cripple it cing or I will import or boycott or something argh.

please come soon in nov.

Posted by: RF9

So they will have a GSM Q some day? With wifi? Sounds good. I'll keep my eye out for that.

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

So they will have a GSM Q some day? With wifi? Sounds good. I'll keep my eye out for that.

I think all these phone companies want to keep wifi out as much as possible so you have to PAY for their data... it's just natural - they want to make money on the SERVICE not the phone - so why sell phones that let you get high speed access for free most of the time when they can sell you one that they charge you for access. It's pretty simple.... and all the people who don't get it or are too cheap to pay for a data plan should stop complaining about not getting something for free.. Cingular is a BUSINESS not your mommy.

Posted by: iJITSU

This will be my next phone assuming it is released. It has everything I'm looking for in a mobile device: landscape screen, HSDPA, QWERTY, thin form factor, WM5 SP, Quadband GSM. Can't wait.

Posted by: mr_c0w

Quote:

Originally Posted by iJITSU

This will be my next phone assuming it is released. It has everything I'm looking for in a mobile device: landscape screen, HSDPA, QWERTY, thin form factor, WM5 SP, Quadband GSM. Can't wait.

Sounds pretty good so far, any word on the price? I would assume that cingular would want to stay competitive with the Q and keep it under $200.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Definitely not more then 300 with a new contract... I hope its the same price as my new e62 which im typing this on... I just hope this phones screen will be big enough

Posted by: jrbutler1

Anyone have any more idea about the timing. Last comment was around Nov 15th, just wanting to confirm as I'm ready to upgrade.

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrbutler1

Anyone have any more idea about the timing. Last comment was around Nov 15th, just wanting to confirm as I'm ready to upgrade.

Release date is Wed Oct. 11.

Posted by: jcjdoss

Until Oct. 11 then it will be Oct. 18

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

Release date is Wed Oct. 11.

how sure are you??? You sound pretty confident. It doesnt seem likely, but what do i know?

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlamshellKing

how sure are you??? You sound pretty confident. It doesnt seem likely, but what do i know?

In fact it's available now for pre order on http://singular.com

COME on people !!!! No one knows when these damn things are coming out !!! Why do people always ask !?!?!?

Posted by: KlamshellKing

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

In fact it's available now for pre order on http://singular.com

COME on people !!!! No one knows when these damn things are coming out !!! Why do people always ask !?!?!?

your almost funny

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlamshellKing

your almost funny

And I'm sorry I couldn't resist !!!

I want this phone as bad as anyone. My Cingular 2125 seems old and crusty compared to this thing and I'm tired of t9 typing emails now that I have PUSH gmail and I do lots of texting with the gal pal.

I hate the mystery surrounding these phone releases... not sure why the phone companies are so secretive... I guess they want to keep sales of the 2125 and other smart phones going until the very last second so people don't wait for something new.....

Posted by: Quatre

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

ok that's fine but guess what. I'm not buying if I doest have wifi. I'm typing this now from an unactivated xv6700 (htc apache) through the wifi which makes the ppc phone stil have some use when its not activated as phone.

that being said and the fat that gsm Q is rumored to have wifi it is total crap that the i607 doesn't. but it is so sweet looking I will prob get anyway. but if I find out samsung wanted to ad it and cing took it out I will be pissed.

sems there hasn't been a smartphone with wifi yet as its just in pc phone and not even all of those right. cingular would be wise to leave it in and even requestt it any of their phones until there hdpa is on equal coverage with vzws sprints evdo. wifi is also still faster so forcing ppl to use the slower thing even in area (home) they may have wifi is just wrong. most will use the paid for hsdpa and wifi.

oct. 11 is today and I really doubt the phone is releasing. it will prob be delayed even from when itssupposed to.

if cing disables wifi on the 8525 then they will see noone buying and rather importing oher versions of it ( htc tytn,imate, orange m whatever) and then a mass exodus of ppc phone users to whichever carier has smart and/or pc phones with wifi.

Posted by: liquidsg

there has been wm smartphones in general releasesd with wifi (a la imate sp5m known as cingular 2125) except cing took the wifi out of its version. sometimes its just better to buy the uncrippled phones over seas..

Posted by: prateeko

Hey guys, this phone looks pretty interesting for my uses. I was wondering, are there any comprable devices in terms of slimness that incorporate smartphone or WM5? I have a PDA I just bought, but I'd rather have a phone/PDA, but that means a lot of bulk usually. The Q looked appealing, but Verizon + lack of touchscreen bothered me (and more importantly, lack of WiFi).

I know these all aren't touchscreen (just like the T-Mo Dash), are there any slim devices out there that would fit my bill? This looks good, but it lacks WiFi

Posted by: RulinSmoove

i got to use this phone up in nyc at the samsung store in time warner mall. its ok i guess. still don't like how samsung copies everything moto does.

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by RulinSmoove

i got to use this phone up in nyc at the samsung store in time warner mall. its ok i guess. still don't like how samsung copies everything moto does.

Too bad you didn't take any pics

Posted by: Quatre

Quote:

Originally Posted by liquidsg

there has been wm smartphones in general releasesd with wifi (a la imate sp5m known as cingular 2125) except cing took the wifi out of its version. sometimes its just better to buy the uncrippled phones over seas..

no smartphone with qwerty keyboard and wifi and as you just said even the 2125 had it taken out by vzw.

import version having wifi and cing version not is definitely a great reason to import over getting domestic cing version, plus the fact that you can get it a lot sooner.

its just sometimes you wait to see how cing version comes out.

i think the Cing 8525 will have wifi as the 8125 did but i'm still thinking about getting an import version (htc tytn, imate version, orange m whatever)

becaues the 8525 is going to have the camera covered up (yes covered not removed cus would have been too expensive to remove) even if i cant make use of the front came for vid calling on cing yet i still dont want it covered up.

Also with the 8125 compared to the qtek and imate version of the wizard which could be imported well before the 8125 came out, they looked better. more rounded. the 8125 was a little ugly and square.

i think the 8525 looks to be mostly the same as htc tytn and less of an aesthic change like the wizard.

Now back to speaking of the samsung i607, will there even be an import version? i guess there currently isn't otherwise ppl wold be considering that. Seems like the i320 that never came to the US was importable maybe but didnt' have 850 but the i607 successor to i320 seems headed straight for NA?

in which guess there wont be the possibility of an importable version with wifi, kinda sucks

in fact since europe uses diff hsdpa then US, the days of importing a phone will be even tougher. we used to just have to worry about it having 850 which was bad enough and easier for tmob users that didnt have to worry about that but not tmob uses 850 too and yeah no from wha ti know if you want a phone with 3g to work on cings US hsdpa, most import phones dont have it. ie. the moto razr v3x, is a phone with 3g data capability but wont work on our cings highspeed in the US. it also didnt have 850, ppl imported it anyway but i thought that was dumb.

cing is hopefully getting hte razr maxx which is like the v3x but newer/better.

anyway point is i dont know of any smartphone with qwerty keyboard with wifi. which sucks but yeah gsm Q was rumored to have it but i wouldnt be surprised if cing takes it out.

Posted by: Quatre

Quote:

Originally Posted by prateeko

Hey guys, this phone looks pretty interesting for my uses. I was wondering, are there any comprable devices in terms of slimness that incorporate smartphone or WM5? I have a PDA I just bought, but I'd rather have a phone/PDA, but that means a lot of bulk usually. The Q looked appealing, but Verizon + lack of touchscreen bothered me (and more importantly, lack of WiFi).

I know these all aren't touchscreen (just like the T-Mo Dash), are there any slim devices out there that would fit my bill? This looks good, but it lacks WiFi

Sounds like you aren't totally clear on diff between wm for smartphone and wm for ppc. No phone with wm for smartphone is touch screen. its like a different version of wm and i think of it as wm lite as it doesnt' seem to have quite as much besides just touch screen and is limited in some ways like editing docs etc.
I have/use both a wm for smartphone with qwerty in the Q and a wm for ppc in the xv6700 version of the htc apache. i really like the exposed keyboard and slimness of the Q but for usability prefer the htc apache for the touch screen and just overall more ability. I often use the ability to select certain parts of text , copy and paste it, something i cant do with the Q. problem is the devices like the htc wizard (cing 8125), htc apache (sprint ppc6700 and vzw xv6700) and htc tytn (coming as cing 8525) with their slide out keyboard while being superior for typing and i love it and am much faster with it then something like the Q with the small cramped qwerty, is that the slide out keyboard wm for ppc devices are just not good for one handed use like in car.

So, i sounds like you are looking for what I am looking for
which is a slim wm for ppc (touchscreen) phone with exposed keyboard with wifi. Basically everything the htc tytn has and everything somethign like the Q has in one with the best of both, so not asking a lot as its all stuff that is currently in ohter phones but just not in one.

I like the look and specs of the i607 so will prob get it anyway as i wont get another Q just cus its on gsm (though the wifi is tempting if that does come true) and the only other one i know of is the htc excalibur? there might be other Q competitors but i only kno of hte samsung and htc for now.

so i will prob get the i607 but yea it is annoying that they copy the Q to the tee by making it wm for smartphone when many want wm for ppc with touch screen and then to not have wifi, which is part saying oh the Q was succesful and it didnt have wifi so we wont add it. stop trying to match the Q and try to beat it! also cing may be part to blame as they and many carriers take the wifi out as they want you to have to pay for data as much as possible

but not having wifi isnt' going to make me pay for data any more so they are dumb. i use both. wifi is just faster so i will use that when i can and especially if you dont have a strong highspeed data signal (evdo or hsdpa 3g)

I use my htc apach (xv6700) every night with its wifi and it is an unactivated phone which would otherwise be useless if it didnt 'have wifi.

i may make exception with the i607 for now but soon i wont buy a pda phone (wm for smartphone or wm for ppc, even palm or linux like the moto ming) if it doesnt have wifi period. so let them keep making it without it or the carrier takes it out. i just wont buy it then.

speaking of palm, though i can't do the palm os anymore as it can't multi task like wm (though i did like palm os task and calendar apps better then wm) I might be interested in the Treo 750 wm for ppc version as at least it has the exposed keyboard for easier one handed use. it is supposed to be a little more compact with no ext. antenna but still not thin like the Q so i dunno.

also it doesnt 'have wifi so pretty much no.

will prob get the i607 and then some version of the htc tytn with wifi at which point i wont need the treo 750 at all. it will be like what i have not wit the Q and the htc apache except now with the i607 and tytn.

so whats the latest date for this?

nov.?

which means anywhere from dec. to feb or later.

i still can't believe cing that they released the moto v3i so so so late and delayed. yeah myself and many had the import v3i working perfect for over a year before they finally released it but to me it is just a bad sign with cing and releasing phones.

there is no excuse. it was a phone that already had 850, all they had to do was brand it. even vzw who had to have a cdma version of the phone in the v3m made from scratch bascially for them got that released wel before cing did with the v3i.

does not look good for cing and phone releases but hopefully they get some of these newer ones out at reasonable release dates and not delayed to the point of them being out of date already.

Posted by: prateeko

BLAST!!

Cing and phones have really been abysmal as of late. They are pissing away the advantage of GSM.

I guess from the sounds of it, a Treo may be the best bet for me. I have a PDA right now, but I kind of want to return it and get a convergence device. The touch screen, however, is very nice. But the lack of keyboard is really annoying me.

Are either of the Treo's coming up going to have WiFi and will any of them have a screen resolution that is superior to the Samsungs? 240X240 is just atrocious

Posted by: Quatre

actually there is a smartphone with querty keyboard with wifi. The HTC Excalibur coming to tmobile as the DAsh

at first a lot of ppl didn't like it cus it looked fatter at the bottom but that is just an illusion of the design. its straight down each side and that design illusion actually helps it look less square.

to me this is a real Q killer and WiFi! what more can you say.

it is smartphone though not wm for ppc so no touchscreen and not my perfect phone plus prob no hsdpa ability for cing as its being released for tmob.

http://www.t-mobile.com/company/Pre...T-Mobile%20Dash
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/htc_dash/

Posted by: Quatre

this site
http://www.mobilegadgetnews.com/ind...showtopic=12985

says:
Samsung i607 details: WM Smartphone - thumb-wheel - Quad-band GSM - HSDPA/3G/EDGE/GPRS - Bluetooth - 320x240 pixel screen - MicroSD slot - Wi-Fi 802.11b/g.

please please have wifi.

everyone is all excited about the HTC s620/Excalibur/tmobile dash releasing any day now as it has wifi, but it doesnt' have hsdpa as tmob doesn't have hsdpa

this is where the i607 beats the htc excalibur but it just needs to match the wifi.

802.11g would be awesome.

Posted by: Quatre

these pics are kind of ugly of it
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/samsung%20i607/

and the HTC Excalibur is starting to look better especially now that i see it isn't wider at the bottom where keyboard is but is just an illusion of the background material getting wider around the ekyboard.

there are lots of pics nad even videos of the htc excalibur on you tube, mos tof which i think are bengal boy incidentially which make it more funny

also he somehow has the damn v3 maxx already

so point is if the htc excalibur is looking better then the cing branded i607 it better damn have wifi and better releae same time as the tmob dash

Posted by: Quatre

this site
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Liv...cle-a_1580.html

thought it would launch by the end of sept.

so much for that. looks like cing has branded versions of this phone ready to go and yet lets see how long they delay it for whatever crazy reasons while vzw has heir q for almost 6 mo now and tmob gets the htc excalibur

cing is prob busy disabling the wifi

the more i look at it. it seems they copied the Q exactly andyet its not quite as thin as the Q. the htc seems to best smallest thinnest of them all and have wif

if only it was damn 3g

was suppoed to launch in q3 of 2006. well that is over

Posted by: liquidsg

i know theres gonna be a generic i600 sold in europe but not sure as to what bands its gonna have..

Posted by: hitechy

Are you still hanging around this thread gps???

Do you have any updates on the device? Release date maybe

Posted by: iinviktus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quatre

this site
[url]the more i look at it. it seems they copied the Q exactly andyet its not quite as thin as the Q. the htc seems to best smallest thinnest of them all and have wif

The Samsung is thinner and narrower. In person, the Q looks and feels cheap compared to the Samsung.

Posted by: liquidsg

Quote:

Originally Posted by iinviktus

The Samsung is thinner and narrower. In person, the Q looks and feels cheap compared to the Samsung.

yea pictures r decieving...i thought that new tmobile dash was nasty in the pics and i saw one today at the digitallife show and it looked relaly nice..

Posted by: Darkjestir

Can you use standard stereo headset / earbuds with the I607 .. with or without an adapter?

Posted by: tuolumne

Official Samsung photo:

Posted by: electrician

hey tuolumne , where did u find that picture? and is this part of a product page that samsung put

Posted by: tuolumne

I played with the URL a bit on a Samsung techtrain webpage and it there it was. Samsung is calling it the "Blackjack" officially.

Posted by: Darkjestir

For those curious about the meta data of the photo
Orientation of image: 1
File change date and time: 2006:10:11 09:58:09
Image description: Blckjack_i607 006
Image input equipment manufacturer: Hasselblad/Imacon
Image input equipment model: Ixpress 96 - Fuji GX680-III
Software used: Adobe Photoshop CS Windows
Person who created the image: Ben D'Avanza
Copyright holder: Â©Ben D'Avanza 2005
Exposure time: 0
ISO speed rating: 50
Shutter speed: 2.14748e+009

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

haaa! that is awesome! how in the world do u get this info on the image? that's amazing.

Posted by: jcjdoss

Did you get to the product page. What is the link

Posted by: Sgt_Strider

So does this phone have wifi or not?

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

So does this phone have wifi or not?

Hey I have to ask whats so dumb(

) about the quote in you're sig? It's right on...doooo!

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whit
I will be requesting the Nokia 6682. I am done with smart(dumb)phones.

Posted by: jcjdoss

Read the intro on phonescoop.

Posted by: Sgt_Strider

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonix

Hey I have to ask whats so dumb(

) about the quote in you're sig? It's right on...doooo!

Check the above post

Posted by: BTM84

jcjdoss, right-click the picture and go to properties to view the link information.

Posted by: jcjdoss

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTM84

jcjdoss, right-click the picture and go to properties to view the link information.

I did, I spent an hour trying to copy folders it came from. Surprisingly they have no protection against it. But they obviously have it protected enough. there was no product page for the i607.

Posted by: Quatre

so when is it coming for cing. still due early nov. i forget the exact day its expected. but i'm sure it will be pushed back and delayed.

anyway to import it. heard there was an i600 version but i guess its highspeed wouldn't be compatible with cing?

Posted by: liquidsg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quatre

so when is it coming for cing. still due early nov. i forget the exact day its expected. but i'm sure it will be pushed back and delayed.

anyway to import it. heard there was an i600 version but i guess its highspeed wouldn't be compatible with cing?

as far as i know, you are right...plus the euro version will only be tri-band and not support the major band we use in the us which means ur service would probly suck majorly. not worth it in my opinion since the whole highspeed thing is one of the phones better features

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Quote:

plus the euro version will only be tri-band

where did you hear about this? that would really suck if it were the case. i assume you're talking about the 850 band because europe doesn't use it (at least i don't think they do). but on all the spec pages on the net, the i600 is still a quad band phone.

my concern is the battery life. the i320 had MAJOR battery issues. and still does. if that's the case, that could kill the hype about the i607 and i600 real fast.

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quatre

I don't understand when people write this stuff. You know it's going to be out in early Nov. but you're "sure" it will be pushed back? Do you work for Cingular? Is this just some random guess? Where do people get info like this.

Are you just random guessing / making stuff up ?

Posted by: jcjdoss

When you hang around the new phones forum you learn that there are tons of bogus dates and pushbacks, and even an occasional no show. Since I have have been here this has happened with alot of the phones I wanted.

It is kinda like a crack whore saying she will pay you back next week, it would be nice but don't hold your breath

Posted by: ernstquser

okay, so the phone is coming out, but no one knows when - someone even said it would be a "lifetime cingular exclusive" ..... which to me means no equivalent device with the wi-fi which by now we have all acknowledged cing has removed/disabled.

my question harks back to what i would have to pay when/if i get this phone (probably off ebay/whatever) ... i'm currently using the 2125 with the ole grandfathered $19.99 media works package (unlimited data, sms/mms messaging). this is obviously condoned as i walked into the official cing store and got the phone ....

an earlier post mentioned the i607 would be some third kind of device.. not a normal smartphone (like my 2125), and not a pda (a la 8125), but rather a hsdpa/3g device requiring some cing video plan or some such ...

can anyone confirm that i will/will not be able to grab this phone from a 3rd party, throw my sim in, and start surfing at 3g speeds (and not be subject to cing forcing me to change my plan)?

Posted by: jhruth

I can confirm with 100% certainty that this phone will require the new Cingular Video Plan (CVP) which will cost $96.50 per month and include 10kb of data and the rest will be billed at $10/kb. This the only way the phone will be available and ONLY with this plan. SIM card will be a permanent install so you can't install your own SIM.

The phone will be released on Oct. 31st and is available for pre order now on www.cingularvideoplan.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by ernstquser

okay, so the phone is coming out, but no one knows when - someone even said it would be a "lifetime cingular exclusive" ..... which to me means no equivalent device with the wi-fi which by now we have all acknowledged cing has removed/disabled.

my question harks back to what i would have to pay when/if i get this phone (probably off ebay/whatever) ... i'm currently using the 2125 with the ole grandfathered $19.99 media works package (unlimited data, sms/mms messaging). this is obviously condoned as i walked into the official cing store and got the phone ....

an earlier post mentioned the i607 would be some third kind of device.. not a normal smartphone (like my 2125), and not a pda (a la 8125), but rather a hsdpa/3g device requiring some cing video plan or some such ...

can anyone confirm that i will/will not be able to grab this phone from a 3rd party, throw my sim in, and start surfing at 3g speeds (and not be subject to cing forcing me to change my plan)?

Posted by: amheck

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

I can confirm with 100% certainty that this phone will require the new Cingular Video Plan (CVP) which will cost $96.50 per month and include 10kb of data and the rest will be billed at $10/kb. This the only way the phone will be available and ONLY with this plan. SIM card will be a permanent install so you can't install your own SIM.

The phone will be released on Oct. 31st and is available for pre order now on www.cingularvideoplan.com

Is there a way to report this sort of stupid posts to the mods?

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by amheck

Is there a way to report this sort of stupid posts to the mods?

I'll report MYSELF if we can get people to stop posting STUPID questions that no one knows the answers to and totally made up predictions like

- I'm sure this phone will be out in Oct.
- This phone will be out in Nov.
- This phone has wi-fi
- This phone doesn't have wi-fi
- This phone will be delayed.
- Will I be able to buy this phone for $13.00 on ebay ?
- Do you think my data plan from 1986 that I tricked Cingular into giving me will work with this phone?

If you work for Cingular or you have some REAL SOURCE and you KNOW something then post it. If you're just WILD GUESSING or making CRAP up then DON'T POST IT !!!!

Posted by: Quatre

whatever. fact is the slated release date is early nov. ( i forget the exact date but its before the krzr kw on nov. 18 which for some reason i remember though im importing tha one)

that info is from a thread by a cingular person with documentation with slated release dates of upcoming phones and there are many models listed there in addition to th i 607.

point is though cingu is know to push back o delay phone releases for whaver various diff reasons. even cing officials will admit that to you and why they dont release those slated release dates or tell ppl just too let them down & piss them off when it doesnt work out.

but at least knowing the slated release date you know to expewct it as early as then and hopefully not long after the date unless something goes wrong. never heard of cing releasing early only vzw somehow.

so basically you can expect it as early as early nov. ( again forget exact orig sklated date check the thread) but knowing cing realisticallt after that though i think they will try hard to have this out by black friday.

as far as wifi that isnt a rumor but basically definite that it doesnt as one thread that had pics of it (was it this one?) the guy said as much so stop acting like everything is unknown when plenty is but of course nothing is ever definite. the chane of them adding wifi to the prototype models that testers have had is slim to none but we can hope for a miracle. hope for same miracle of releae date.

ppl get mad when myself & others say it will be pushed back. this part truth based on past phone releae experience with cing & part just not getting hopes up that a phone were waiting for could ever actuall release on time according to its orig slated release date (again eaqrly nov & see the cing phone releases thread for exact date)

as far as the import being quad band with 850 or not i dont know as one person said no one said yes though i think the no person meant no hsdpa 850/1900 which is what
cing uses.

many wont see point of importing this phone if you cant use hsdpa and that is how i feel with any smartphone or ppc phone. in act i wont get one from a carrir that dosnt offer high speed data. in fact i love the htc s620/excalibur for tmob & it has wifi but no high speed.

cings hsdpa is a problem as it makes us unable to import a phone witht the same band hsdpa and theuy prob like that though its the only way to get a phone at a reasonable time ( i got v3i over a year before cing released it and cant imagine having waited)

also i get the bad feeling that cing like vzw wont include wifi thinking it forces customer to get data plan but that is wrong as most want to use both & wifi cant reaqlly replace data plan especially on the go. in fact i usually wont buy a smart or ppc pone without wifi but was maybe going to make the exception for i607 but they shouldnt count on it.

i mean maybe tmob releases the htc excaibur (as the tmob dash) with wifi to compensate for no 3g data yet but still if ppl are pissed the i607 doesnt have wifi then they can get an excalibur with wifi and then purposely boycott cing data plan justr for them takin wifi off the i607. data plan that they would have got if i607 had wifi. i agree with that thinking & will be only way to teach them.

at least 8125 has wifi but didnt have hispeed data even though it came out fter competing cdma htc apache ppc phones for the cdma carriers which did have 3g

also gsm Q wa rumored to have wifi which makes me think maybe that will be for tmob.

point is cing is late & losing to everyone even tmob who doesnt have 3g as at least they relase a Q competing smartphone in the htc excalibur/tmob dash that has wifi & is consideraly better then the Q and quite possibly even the i607.

but cing keeps on releasing inferior stuff & late at that.

Posted by: Quatre

posted from a Q so sorry for typos etc. the Q keyboard blows for this type of thing.

also as far as the rizr i didnt say it was a slide form factor of the k1 in features just on form factor is what i meant and i thought was clear to whoever jumped down my throat & said its not a slider krzr. it has this this & this' sheesh i just meant for wise in the narrowness etc. its a sled version of th