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Posted by: rjk6w4

Is there no sticky for this device? The Pearl will be hitting Cingular stores in mid-October, along with both Treos and the Samsung Blackjack. Obviously, this is subject to change as we all know how Cingular is with release dates, but I'm a bit surprised no one is talking about this.

Posted by: cuidinsider

its coming it has ptt as well

Posted by: ibby03

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Originally Posted by cuidinsider

its coming it has ptt as well

Yes it does, Our Pearl, (Cingular's Pear) will give the version released by t-mobile a run for it''s money, the ptt feature is big...

Posted by: smokeyb111

I think if I can get a ptt enabvled Cingular data device....I'd buy it. I just have'nt seen one yet. I think I read somewhere that there is supposed to be PTT on the 8525 as well.....

WAITING..................................

Posted by: GregGebhardt

Who is everyone going to be talking to with the Cingular PTT?

Others have tried but it takes alot to get PTT off the ground and be good.

Posted by: cuidinsider

cingular ptt rocks its not as fast as nextel in connecting but when the call is started beep beep baby

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

There was a Cingular rep that told me that the Pearl may not be PTT...sorta like the RAZR and other Motorolas. If it is PTT, I wonder if it will be any louder than my z525a. For me it is between the V365 and the Pearl...

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

Alot of website blogs are saying 2007. Is it safer to believe November or 2007?

Posted by: joejoe111

Looks like the Cingy Pearl will be getting a new look:

http://www.bbhub.com/2006/10/18/ana...ng-in-november/

you can barely make it out, but it definetely looks like a downgrade compared to the gorgeous all black look TMobile is sporting.

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

It doesnt say anything about PTT either. It is small print though, so maybe it is there and I just cant see it...

Posted by: fyreblazer

Quote:

Originally Posted by joejoe111

Looks like the Cingy Pearl will be getting a new look:

http://www.bbhub.com/2006/10/18/ana...ng-in-november/

you can barely make it out, but it definetely looks like a downgrade compared to the gorgeous all black look TMobile is sporting.

seems Cingular has a thing for changing colors...btw the cingular krzr should be shipping the same time too...

Posted by: skidpalace

I have played with one. It is a nice looking device. I've never had a blackberry, but if this phone was 3G, I would switch in a heartbeat. The Crackheads will be all over this device.
It is a slick little phone. I couldn't believe how small it was. It was also loaded with TeleNav and we put it up head to head with my HP 6515. It was no contest. I put my HP away.

Posted by: cuidinsider

i hate the 6515 its a piece of shizzle

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

[QUOTE=skidpalace]I have played with one.

Did it have PTT capabilities?

Posted by: skidpalace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolt Seavers

[QUOTE=skidpalace]I have played with one.

Did it have PTT capabilities?

I didn't notice. I don't plan to use the feature so It never crosses my mind to look. I have an appointment with the person who has the device tomorrow.
I will try to remember to check it out.

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidpalace

[QUOTE=Kolt Seavers]
I didn't notice. I don't plan to use the feature so It never crosses my mind to look. I have an appointment with the person who has the device tomorrow.
I will try to remember to check it out.

I really appreciate it. If it does have PTT, I will not buy the v365 when it comes out. If it does, I amy have to get the BB...

Posted by: gsmgsm

Any more news if Pearl will be at Cingular in Nov? I have Pearl from t-mobile right now and love it. Hope to get the upgrade price if I buy from Cing.

Thank you very much.

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

Did anyone find out if it is confirmed to have PTT?

Posted by: .7

stickied (sorry Ive been flaking with school and what not)

Posted by: kamusta ka

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

stickied (sorry Ive been flaking with school and what not)

its all good, but i think you spelled "pearl" wrong, just wanna let you know

Posted by: .7

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamusta ka

its all good, but i think you spelled "pearl" wrong, just wanna let you know

got it...thanks

Posted by: skidpalace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolt Seavers

Did anyone find out if it is confirmed to have PTT?

I forgot to ask... sorry. I probably won't be speaking with my guy until Monday.

Posted by: diapertech

Anyone have a clue as to the price Cingular will be offering these at release? Tmob has them discounted to $199 w/ a sugg retail price of $349. Is it worth the wait? I can pick up one unlocked from eBay for $400 or buy one from Tmob for $350 + $50 for unlocking. I kind of need it sooner rather than later too.

Posted by: mulletwireless

they device is ok but they did a really poor job on the buttons they feel cheap, and they will fall off, become lose, or peel off all togther.

Posted by: ceebz

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Originally Posted by mulletwireless

they device is ok but they did a really poor job on the buttons they feel cheap, and they will fall off, become lose, or peel off all togther.

You have proof of this?

Wife's been using her Pearl for weeks and has no problem with the buttons.

Posted by: .7

Please give this thread a look and try to contribute. Lets see if this works better for everyone.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1032661

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

i guess the newer version of suretype...suretype II is a lot better than the 7130's version

Posted by: warhay

the 7130 has "suretype II"

also did you take that pic of the cingular pearl... does it have a cam?

Posted by: The Roc

Its the same device people.

Only difference is cosmetics. If it had no camera, it would have a different fcc id

Posted by: .7

Quote:

Originally Posted by roc a fella

Its the same device people.

Only difference is cosmetics. If it had no camera, it would have a different fcc id

Thanks Roc, your input and information is always welcome here.

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by warhay

the 7130 has "suretype II"

also did you take that pic of the cingular pearl... does it have a cam?

that is the cingular branded pearl. you can see the branding ont he bottom as well as the different middle keys. and yes it has a camera.

all i know is the person who used the pearl says that the 7130's suretype II wasnt as "good" thats all i know. i didnt get to test it out compared to the 7130

Posted by: ceebz

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

I've used both and didn't notice anything different.

Posted by: cc2096

Got to play with the Pearl today. That thing is freakin TINY! I felt very sturdy in my hands, and very light. The "pearl" is awesome, very user friendly and very fast. The phone is also very thin. I actually mistook it for a SLVR when I first saw it. I may have to replace my 8700c when this thing comes out.

Posted by: txschafers

Does anybody really care about this phone? If I were going to stay with a BB I would go with the 8800. IMO the pearl is a waste of time.

Posted by: tkdlove

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Originally Posted by txschafers

Does anybody really care about this phone? If I were going to stay with a BB I would go with the 8800. IMO the pearl is a waste of time.

the one i played with today was awesome and i am a new zealot to the "sure-type" layout. i stopped using an 8700 when i left the last company iworked for and now i have a 7130 and i can tell you this "i will have this phone"

a waste??? this phone is freakin awesome. comparing it to the samsung blackjack that i played with yesterday showed me how easy bb is compared to windows! it is not a waste. with PTT and also the ability to sync with iTunes (on macs) this thing is awesome!!!!

fyi: even the 8525 will include blackberry connect as an email option "PWNT"

Posted by: txschafers

I guess if you like sure type then it could be the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am a QWERTY fan and cannot see moving back to a sure type model. In the end I guess it is a preference thing. No offense meant on the "waste" comment....guess that was a little harsh.

Posted by: tkdlove

no prob... keep an open mind though.... i was the same way...

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by txschafers

I guess if you like sure type then it could be the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am a QWERTY fan and cannot see moving back to a sure type model. In the end I guess it is a preference thing. No offense meant on the "waste" comment....guess that was a little harsh.

I'm there with you. The pearl looks great, but I just don't know about this suretype thing. The 8800 with QWERTY looks like the BB for me. Eventually I'm going to have to break down and let my company shackle a blackberry to me. I'm just trying to hold out for one I like... and I think the 8800 will do it. Don't get me wrong, the pearl is all that and a bag of chips. But I take one look at that keyboard and it makes me run the other way.
I'm still getting myself a Treo 750 (personal phone) but we'll see. Maybe once I get this BB on the company's dime I won't find such a need for the Treo 750 anymore.

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

Will it have PTT for sure?

Posted by: willlangford

could i get an unlocked bb peal off ebay. what would i be loosing and would cing still be blocking certain things?

Posted by: maevro

This phone is small and sweet. if I was looking for a BB, I would go thise route indeed.

Posted by: Kolt Seavers

I am not sold on Suretype though...I hear too many cons about it...

Posted by: ExOrCizT

if i have the old MediaNet unlimited plan could i use that with this for data?

Posted by: bobolito

I would bet that yes, you will be able to use it with your data plan, but just don't let Cingular find out about it.

Posted by: maevro

I have never used a actualy BB phone, only held a demo. How is the internet on these phones?

Posted by: duckboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExOrCizT

if i have the old MediaNet unlimited plan could i use that with this for data?

But you wouldnt be able to use the BB as it supposed to or am I wrong?

thought the whole point of a BB is the push mail feature or whatever you call it.

But I am a noob so I may be wrong.

Posted by: ExOrCizT

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckboy

But you wouldnt be able to use the BB as it supposed to or am I wrong?

thought the whole point of a BB is the push mail feature or whatever you call it.

But I am a noob so I may be wrong.

true? yes or no?

Posted by: RF9

You would not be able to use blackberry push mail with media net as it's only provisioned on blackberry plans. I'm not even sure if you can get just regular internet with media net on a blackberry (I simply don't know.) But I know you won't get the blackberry mail to work.l

Posted by: warhay

to use the internet or email on a blackberry you MUST have a blackberry internet plan either BIS or BES (blackberry internet service/ blackberry enterprise server)

Posted by: maevro

Wow, I just played with this phone (live version) with someone who had it unlocked and upgraded to cingular's software and it is great. I am seriously considering getting this phone now, hopefully it will come out soon.

Posted by: WMurray

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

You would not be able to use blackberry push mail with media net as it's only provisioned on blackberry plans. I'm not even sure if you can get just regular internet with media net on a blackberry (I simply don't know.) But I know you won't get the blackberry mail to work.l

You can use voice and SMS on a normal plan, but that's about it. Some people claim to have been able to get Opera Mini to work, as well as a few other TCP/IP apps on normal Media.net plans, but I've never tried on mine. Much of the device's functionality relies on provisioning in the Blackberry servers. Even the built-in internet browser isn't accessible until a service book is pushed down from the BB system.

Posted by: KlamshellKing

so you are 100% sure that i need the blackberry service to access the internet from the web browser?????

Posted by: maevro

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlamshellKing

so you are 100% sure that i need the blackberry service to access the internet from the web browser?????

I'n not. I was with someone yesterday in Midtown that had an unlocked Pearl synced to Cingular's software and he said that all he did was switch sim cards and keep his same MMax1000 plan from his e61. I used the internet perfectly, so unless he was lying to me - I think it can be done.

BTW - He moved here from France and told me that 3G is nothing too much better thwn EDGE, unless you are using it for Video.

Posted by: Mattb2005

I can verify that if you do not have a blackberry plan Either the BES 44.99 or BIS (pop3 and imap email abilities) 29.99 it will not work at all. If you have any other plans the blackberry will say DATA CONNNECTION REFUSED on the main screen.

Posted by: maevro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattb2005

I can verify that if you do not have a blackberry plan Either the BES 44.99 or BIS (pop3 and imap email abilities) 29.99 it will not work at all. If you have any other plans the blackberry will say DATA CONNNECTION REFUSED on the main screen.

I have pop3/imap capabilities on my MediaMax200/1000 plan as I use them on my Nokia E62.

Posted by: Mattb2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by maevro

I have pop3/imap capabilities on my MediaMax200/1000 plan as I use them on my Nokia E62.

Yes that is very possible because it is an e62, i was referring to RIM manufactured Blackberry Devices. You will get DATA CONNECTION REFUSED if you use a media net plan on the 8700c, 7130c, and soon to be pearl

Posted by: timinstl

According to internal docs, it will indeed have PTT.

Posted by: PhantomFone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattb2005

that is correct

Posted by: Mattb2005

It does in fact have ptt, this is one of the many reasons it is taking longer for cingular to release it. I have heard some rumors (from someone who would actually know) that it will have umts. like i said i just HEARD it. I was told this is one of cingulars "comparative advantages" over the tmobile pearl. remember i can not confirm its true so dont start a flame war please.

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

the only advantage is the ptt

Posted by: maevro

I have heard pretty soon. The pearl can be a pain in the *** with navigation because it is so small and I never thought I would say that. I think there is a point where a phone can become to small if you use the internet and email (because you dont want 4 words per line). If you are an avid BB user, this phone is 100x better then any other BB I have used.
Even an unlocked version with Cingular software update worked perfectly so I was impressed. I think a drawback is that you have to use a more expensive plan.

Posted by: ChrisMc73

What about the 8800, any dates on that with Cingular? (Indigo or Crimson)?
Thats the phone I want...the 8800...its got the perfect features for me.

Anyone got dates on these? I'm on Cingular.

Posted by: MrGOLF

Anyone have a link to the specs for the Pearl? I picked up an HP iPAQ 6925, but it's a little too big for me. Does anyone know about the possibility of hooking up a USB GPS receiver to this bad boy. Is that possible? Also, what kind of resolution does this thing have?

Thanks!

Posted by: fractured

Quote:

Originally Posted by maevro

The rep who…told me that he should have the Pearl a few days before or after Thanksgiving.

I ve heard November 21.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMc73

What about the 8800, any dates on that with Cingular? (Indigo or Crimson)?

I believe there's a thread dedicated to this topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrGOLF

Anyone have a link to the specs for the Pearl?

Here (I believe the Cingular version adds PTT).

Posted by: Mattb2005

A regional data manager with cingular came into my store today, im in COR and he showed us his cingular branded blackberry. He said that it will definatly not be out in nov.
He said that the push to talk software is not fully functional yet, as well as a few other bugs that need to be worked out. But software wise, it is just like a 7130c and it has a push to talk icon. It was very nice.

Posted by: joejoe111

the cingular version is soooo UGLY!

Do you think that if i get the unlocked TMOBILE version i could flash the software/firmware to Cingular's???

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

how is it ugly? an all black keyboard?!

Posted by: maevro

I could see them releasing it without the PTT software just like they did for the 8525.

I hear the 8800 is easier to control then the 8100 and I can see that. I suggest you play with the phone as I did before you buy it.

Posted by: tonydrone

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

how is it ugly? an all black keyboard?!

I agree ASF. It definitely is not ugly. Too many haters out there.

Posted by: fiddysheqel

i really think its nasty. what makes the tmobile version is the elegant black finish it has which makes it looks stylish. but this cingular version not only changes the metallic-looking black to an off-grey (which doesnt give it a chique look) but also the other coloring (which is light grey) doesnt contrast well.

Posted by: joejoe111

come on guys.....

its ugly.

Posted by: GregGebhardt

Quote:

Originally Posted by joejoe111

come on guys.....

its ugly.

Looks way better than the T-Mo version.

Posted by: LetThatSinkIn

I still want a track wheel...

Posted by: awesome_sauce

I want to like this phone, but that keyboard feels like frozen Gak (imaginations, people...)

Posted by: maevro

When I purchased my BlackJack, they also had in the 8525. They said they had both phones for 2 days and were instructed not to sell them until the following morning. I think it would be a little chaotic to get phones in that day, add them to inventory (SKU wise) and them start selling them. Thats not saying it wont happen and I feel for all of you as I waited forever for this phone and now that I have it, I love it.

I had an unlocked T-Mobile Pearl for 2 days and it was small and light as anything, but that track ball was an issue for me. I dont think the colors will be as dramatic as people think, it will still look great and you want your phone to stand out from TMobiles anyway.

Posted by: awesome_sauce

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMc73

So are you people who are considering the 8100c aka Pearl, going to rush out and get that? Or do you even care about the 8800 (Indigo/Crimson) that may be out sometime soon thereafter?

While the 8800 looks really nice, I think most are going after the Pearl. It's size is what really attracts me personally, cuz most full QWERTY phones are simply too big for the common consumer (at least that's what I gather). Myself, I'm looking forward to the Pearl

Posted by: MrGOLF

Quote:

Originally Posted by awesome_sauce

I FULLY AGREE, plus the resolution is even better than my big @ss iPAQ.

Posted by: ChrisMc73

So what are the advantages of the 8800 vs. the 8100c?

WiFi? Does this matter with unlimted blackberry plans?
3G? Is that a big deal to you?
Full QWERTY? Some like the TrueType.
Size? Pearl is more vertical vs. horizontal right?

I guess I'll go check it out when they are in a store near me!

Posted by: bobolito

I was told the release date would be Nov. 30th. As always, these dates can change.

Posted by: mclark2112

Can I get a Pearl and just use an inexpensive Medianet plan or no data plan at all? I want one for my wife, and she will not use the advanced features at all. Just phone and text messages...

Posted by: maevro

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclark2112

Can I get a Pearl and just use an inexpensive Medianet plan or no data plan at all? I want one for my wife, and she will not use the advanced features at all. Just phone and text messages...

Well, you can if you dont want to use any of the BB features if I understand correctly. People here have told me that I had to get the BB plan to be able to utilize every BB feature and they will not function correctly with the mediamax plans.

If your wife just wants an expensive and cool looking phone, you will be fine with the cheap plan. At that point, just get her something else, why waste it on a Pearl?

Posted by: mobilemetal

Quote:

Originally Posted by maevro

Blackberries only work on the Blackberry plans. They will not pass any data over the Mediamax or any other data plan. The phone and SMS features will work, but everything else will not. No web browsing, nothing that requires data access.

Posted by: xbox360gamer

I used a Pearl for about a week or two and it was okay. but I sold it because of that damn navigation wheel which was a PITA when someone would call because it would put it in silent mode if/when the phone was in my pocket.

needless to say that was very annoying.

Posted by: fractured

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclark2112

I want one for my wife, and she will not use the advanced features at all.

I would suggest a different device, because buying a BB and not using it for what it was designed for is like but a Dodge Viper and only going 20 MPH or using it to but groceries. Also, as mentioned above, a BB without the BB plan is fairly useless.

Posted by: Moderator HF 26

Please use the **Cingular PDA/Smartphone release date discussion** thread for discussing release date information.

Posted by: I have a phone

do Blackberries actually full under the header of PDA/Smartphone?

Posted by: Jayden0606

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

do Blackberries actually full under the header of PDA/Smartphone?

Yes they do.

Posted by: I have a phone

gee thanks for that insight

Posted by: tonydrone

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

gee thanks for that insight

All kidding aside, pda=personal digital assistant. Most common features of a pda= calendar, email, notes, etc. All of which blackberry's do very well imho.

You disagree?

Posted by: I have a phone

My original point was to question why posts were deleted from this thread and users told to post in another.

Posted by: .7

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

do Blackberries actually full under the header of PDA/Smartphone?

i have retitled that thread for clarification as all release date discussions should go there. I dont think anyone wants to read everyones bickering about the release date for pages and pages. There have been a lot of posts deleted from this thread for this reason so if everyones wondering where there posts went, this is the reason.

Nice call though IHAP, in the face of critism you were right once again, the device wasnt released like many in here said it was.

Please everyone, take discussion releated to release dates in the release date thread.

thank you

Posted by: bikemanj7

its been launched on the premier site. it says PRELAUNCH BlackBerry Pearl. Intresting

Posted by: RF9

I just noticed that:
PRELAUNCH BlackBerry Pearl
GSM Quad-Band/EDGE Connectivity
BlackBerry Push Email
Speakerphone, Bluetooth® & Push-to-Talk
Weight: 3.1 ounces
Talk Time: Up to 3.5 hours
Technology: GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
Base Price$579.99Company Discount-$116.00Web Discount-$234.00Your Price*$229.99View Details

Posted by: serrano_yejo

Base price $579.99!!!! That is insane.

So long for the upgrade.

Posted by: walds11

Wow, looks like it is getting closer. Wonder when it will ship? The device looks awesome. Much better than in the other pics circulating around the web.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

I just noticed that:
PRELAUNCH BlackBerry Pearl
GSM Quad-Band/EDGE Connectivity
BlackBerry Push Email
Speakerphone, Bluetooth® & Push-to-Talk
Weight: 3.1 ounces
Talk Time: Up to 3.5 hours
Technology: GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
Base Price$579.99Company Discount-$116.00Web Discount-$234.00Your Price*$229.99View Details

Posted by: walds11

The price of 229.99 is for..."*Pricing valid only on Premier. New activation and 2-year agreement required."

Does that mean I can't upgrade my current phone. How would I order it for the 229.99 price?

Quote:

Originally Posted by serrano_yejo

Base price $579.99!!!! That is insane.

So long for the upgrade.

Posted by: bsippl

According to the Business Rep. I talked to it will be available in stores starting Thursday.

Posted by: FungFlex

Change the title to released!!!!!

Posted by: mobilemetal

Title reads "PRELAUNCH BlackBerry Pearl" nothing more. I started to order one this morning on Premier, and I think it would have let me, but I want to call NBO first.

Posted by: MrGOLF

Can Anyone tell me the details for the data plans for the blackberry. I'm a bit confused.

Do I need to have a Blackberry Data plan to browse the internet, or will a MediaNet Bundle work????

Posted by: mobilemetal

Only Blackberry data plans work with Blackberries data needs (i.e. web browsing, instant messaging, email).

Posted by: MrGOLF

The Cingular Guy told me that the MediaNet add-ons will work too. I guess I have alot of research to do.

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by serrano_yejo

Base price $579.99!!!! That is insane.

So long for the upgrade.

Pay no attention to that base price. On premiere they have an artificially inflated base price so that after the various corporate discounts are applied + the 'web discount' that everyone gets the same 'upgrade' price. The 8525 list for $1100, which it is not (it's $600.)
The base price has to be high on premiere to compensate for people who have 50% and more discounts on phones.

Posted by: fractured

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

On premiere they have an artificially inflated base price.

I tell people this all the time.

Posted by: GregGebhardt

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrGOLF

The Cingular Guy told me that the MediaNet add-ons will work too. I guess I have alot of research to do.

Without a Blackberry plan, you will not even be able to get on the internet to get to the Media Net services. No Blackberry Plan NO Data.

Blackberrys are different, I have seen so many buy and did not think they had to have a BB plan. It is only $29 for personal BIS and it is worth every penny!

Posted by: mobilemetal

The Pearl was pulled from my premier site

and NBO says "Comming soon...". i should have ordered it this morning when it was in premier.

Posted by: MrGOLF

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregGebhardt

Cool deal, I'll just switch the unlim data I had with the iPAQ to the BIS Personal, and it's still cheaper than the $37 I was paying before. Thanks!

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrGOLF

Cool deal, I'll just switch the unlim data I had with the iPAQ to the BIS Personal, and it's still cheaper than the $37 I was paying before. Thanks!

This is a good way around paying for a $40 PDA plan on a 8525 (for example.)

Since $30 BIS includes wap.cingular, isp.cingular, as well as blackberry (or so I was told), it's a superset of data connect (PDA connect) for $10 less. You are allowed to get $30 BB for a 8525 because you can use blackberry connect on WM5, which requires this plan.

But for a Blackberry proper, it's obviously necessary (and cheaper to boot.) You just can't get away with Media net for $20 (which you're not 'supposed' to have anyway.)

Posted by: Eric5273

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

Since $30 BIS includes wap.cingular, isp.cingular, as well as blackberry (or so I was told),

When I had a 7100g last year, Cingular charged me extra (per kb) for any wap.cingular data even though I had a Blackberry unlimited plan. Apparently the blackberry plan only includes the blackberry.net data (programs built into the phone). When I asked how I was supposed to use any other communication programs (like IM clients), the answer was that Cingular does not support that, and thus they charge extra for that data.

Posted by: MrGOLF

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobilemetal

The Pearl was pulled from my premier site

and NBO says "Comming soon...". i should have ordered it this morning when it was in premier.

Maybe you're luckier not to have gotten it. I never received a confirmation email since I bought it over the phone with Premier. So I called to see if they could send me one. They said that the phone is backordered, but it's coming in on the 29th to the warehouse in Dallas, but my order went through, so it'll ship tomorrow. So I'll be lucky to receive this thing on Friday, and by then it will already be available in stores.

I don't know why they put it up on Premier if they don't have them in stock. That was just retarded. I guess it's better this way though, because they have to have my iPaq in their hands by the 2nd if I'm going to get my money back.

Posted by: mobilemetal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric5273

Then your account was configured wrong. I have used many different programs that go throught the wap.cingular APN, and I have never received a per kb charge. The Blackberry plans are supposed to include all data usage.

Posted by: Eric5273

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobilemetal

When I called up to complain, they told me that they can remove the "pay per use" line item from my account. When they did that, then I would get the "could not open tunnel" error whenever I tried to use Verichat. I had everything configured right for wap.cingular.

I spent weeks trying to get this straightened out, but I have no idea what to tell them. When I would tell them my account must be configured wrong, they said there is no such thing as "configured" for an account. They explained there are "features" you can add to your account, and if I wanted wap.cingular access then I had to add a feature that gives that. They said that would either mean the "pay per use" feature or else a MediaNet plan of some sort.

I'm not the only one with this problem. There's a whole thread on it at the Blackberry forums. I know some people do not have this problem. I think, as with everything else with Cingular, there are regional differences and depending on where you are it may be different.

I finally got annoyed and sold my Blackberry and changed to a different phone.

Edit: Oh....one more thing....

If there was wap.cingular access on the regular $30 blackberry plan, then there would be no need for them to have a seperate "blackberry connect" plan. The "blackberry connect" plan is simply the blackberry plan with wap.cingular access added since the Nokia phones that use it need wap.cingular access to use their web browsers and IM programs that are built in.

If you take a look at T-Mobile, they have no seperate "blackberry connect" plan for their Samsung blackberry flip phone since their regular blackberry plan gives them wap access.

I think you are more an exception to the rule in that you have wap access. According to anyone you speak to at Cingular, the blackberry plan does not include wap access.

Posted by: mobilemetal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric5273

When I called up to complain, they told me that they can remove the "pay per use" line item from my account. ... the blackberry plan does not include wap access.

Sorry to make my post read like you did something wrong. I certainly do not mean to insinuate that you had control over how Cingular messed up your account. And yes I remeber reading about the many users that were being charged for wap access.

Again, I apologize if I offended you.

mobilemetal

Posted by: ChrisMc73

That picture makes it look cooler than some of the other pictures that were floating around here from Boy Genius Report etc...it looks more like that picture of the 8800 Crimson...to me.

Posted by: holaDude

Just an fyi, please don't call CS as we have no idea when the pearl will be available in the stores or online. I get three or four calls a day on this and all I can say is this, call the store since they should have delivery manifest showing when they will get phone shipments.

The only way we know that a device has been released is when it shows up in device tutorials or our manager sends us an email. So call the store each and every day until they tell you when they are getting it in.

I know they will be happy to give you the information.

you all know I am j/k.

Posted by: Mattb2005

The Release date is Friday, The 30th This is across all channels.

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattb2005

The Release date is Friday, The 30th This is across all channels.

that is the scheduled date!!!

Posted by: walds11

You mean Thursday 11/30 or Friday 12/1?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattb2005

The Release date is Friday, The 30th This is across all channels.

Posted by: awesome_sauce

that picture does make it look a lot better. the screen effect makes it look so sleek. I might give in and get this phone as it offers the only non-insanely priced unlimited (and legit) data plans offered by Cingular.

Posted by: ChrisMc73

I called two of my local Cingular wireless stores, one is an authorized agent, and one is a real Cingular store, and both said it was released yesterday but they didn't have them in stock yet, and they are in very high demand...

Awesome Sauce, what plans are you talking about? I was under the impression that Cingulars data plans were on the high end compared to other cell carriers.

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisMc73

I called two of my local Cingular wireless stores, one is an authorized agent, and one is a real Cingular store, and both said it was released yesterday but they didn't have them in stock yet, and they are in very high demand...

Awesome Sauce, what plans are you talking about? I was under the impression that Cingulars data plans were on the high end compared to other cell carriers.

30 dollar BIS

Posted by: GregGebhardt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattb2005

The Release date is Friday, The 30th This is across all channels.

Friday is NOT the 30th, Friday is the 1st. This is across the world!

Posted by: Mattb2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregGebhardt

Friday is NOT the 30th, Friday is the 1st. This is across the world!

Sorry, its was late and i wasnt thinking. Your right. Also it did not get approved in TN/KY so we must wait longer

Posted by: MrGOLF

http://www.bbhub.com/

Looks like Friday people! Fantastic!

Posted by: Tjash2010

Finally! I was thinking about picking one of these up to go along with my Blackjack, but they are 499.99, according to bbhub.com.

Thats 50.00 more then my Blackjack!! Why are they charging so much?, I mean T-mobile sells them for 399.99!

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjash2010

Finally! I was thinking about picking one of these up to go along with my Blackjack, but they are 499.99, according to bbhub.com.

Thats 50.00 more then my Blackjack!! Why are they charging so much?, I mean T-mobile sells them for 399.99!

buy the TMo version then

Posted by: Tjash2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

buy the TMo version then

I am just saying. I dont want the T-mobile version.

I was just pointing out that the price is a little high. I didnt mean to put off that I was favoring the T-mobile blackberry, just because its cheaper.

Posted by: serrano_yejo

Just talked to 4 different cs agents(1 Business End User Care and 2 PREMIER SUPPORT), called 3 corporate stores, and the rep for my agency and they all told me that the base price for the Cingular 8100 is going to be... $399.99 or $400 (rounded)

Posted by: MrGOLF

Quote:

Originally Posted by serrano_yejo

Just talked to 4 different cs agents(1 Business End User Care and 2 PREMIER SUPPORT), called 3 corporate stores, and the rep for my agency and they all told me that the base price for the Cingular 8100 is going to be... $399.99 or $400 (rounded)

That may be the case, but you can buy an unlocked one for that price too. Or you could just go get the Tmo one and have it unlocked for about $50.

Posted by: Mattb2005

The price is 399.99 retail then 2yr is 249.99 and a 50$ MIR

Posted by: Tjash2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattb2005

The price is 399.99 retail then 2yr is 249.99 and a 50$ MIR

Thats great news! I cant wait to pick one of these up.

Posted by: ChrisMc73

So can you order these online yet? Or is that Friday as well? I saw someone on the BBhub site had an Amazon posting, but I can't find it on there either.

Posted by: MrGOLF

The Amazon listing ships in the next 3-4 weeks, so unless you plan to go phoneless for the next month, it's not really feasible right now.

Posted by: RhOd15

It's on Cingular's site now...
$249 with 2 year contract, $199 with $50 rebate, $399 Base

Posted by: Tjash2010

I can confirm the price and that it is available. I will be going to get one, hopefully tomorrow. If anyone gets one, post pictures!

Posted by: Jadedx1FastLude

I ordered mine today. Went into the Cingular store and asked when they were getting them. The manager told me that there were two ordered (for nobody in particular) and asked if I wanted to order one too. So I should being getting a call in a week to a week and a half letting me know that my phone is in. As soon as I get it I'll let you all know.

Today was a good day, I got my tires, and I ordered my new phone.

Posted by: kirbo20

It's here!

Link

Posted by: walds11

Wonder why it's not on the Business Premier website yet?

Hopefully it will hit one of my local Cingular stores by Monday or I'll have to order it online as I may not have time to get out after Monday.

Posted by: ChrisMc73

I'm currently in a 700 minute Family Talk Plan...but thats not offered here with the bundle of the Pearl...so if I get the same priced plan, $59.99, will they keep me in the 700 min Family Talk? Or sign me up for this new 900 single plan? I want the Amazon price of $49.99 for the phone!! Plus I'm adding the BlackBerry Max plan...but I still need to stay in my Family Talk.
I wonder what will happen if I order this?

Cingular Nation 900 Rollover Minutes + Blackberry 8100c Pearl Phone
$49.99 - Quantity: 1 - Usually ships in 2 to 4 weeks
Condition: new
Sold by: Amazon.com
Cingular Nation 900 Rollover Minutes
Monthly service charge of $59.99 billed by Cingular - Quantity: 1
Cingular 2 Year Contract
(No Charge: Included with Cingular's Monthly Rate Plan) - Quantity: 1
BlackBerry Max (Send and receive corporate e-mail plus 1000 text, video or picture messages.)
Monthly service charge of $54.99 billed by Cingular - Quantity: 1
I already have Cingular service and want to extend my contract with them.
(No Charge: Included with Cingular's Monthly Rate Plan) - Quantity: 1
Regulatory Cost Recovery Fee
Monthly service charge of $1.25 billed by Cingular - Quantity: 1

Posted by: GregGebhardt

Tried both the Corp Cingular stores and the people that work there still have that stupid look on their face they had a week ago.

Went on the phone to see if I could order over the internet and you go straight to India!

Posted by: ChrisMc73

So does anyone know what will happen with my Family Talk plan if I purchase the above Phone and Plan from Amazon? They don't allow me to purchase this phone as an upgrade with a Family Talk plan, its like they are forcing me to get the Cingular Nation 900 Rollover plan...

Posted by: FarSeide

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Originally Posted by ChrisMc73

So does anyone know what will happen with my Family Talk plan if I purchase the above Phone and Plan from Amazon? They don't allow me to purchase this phone as an upgrade with a Family Talk plan, its like they are forcing me to get the Cingular Nation 900 Rollover plan...

Unless your agreeing to adding a line versus upgrading a line hence the discounted price. If you order from Amazon, you would be agreeing to adding a line.

At least thats what I think..

Posted by: thinlyveiled

No UMTS/HSDPA (3G). Meh. Pass.

Posted by: slocell

I talked to my rep 2 days ago and he said it was pushed back... wonder what will be happening with the orders

Posted by: RF9

Pearl is available on Premiere today as well as Cingular.com

Posted by: Cruzan2

The pearl is on cingular.com right now.

Posted by: RF9

Why is the Pearl cheaper than the 8700c and other Blackberries?

Posted by: FarSeide

I ordered my Pearl today via Premier and I was just told that the order has been processed but the phone is on back order. However they will be receiving the new shipment every 5 days and there is one coming in tomorrow.

So I have to wait til Tuesday or Wed to get my new Pearl.

Posted by: FarSeide

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

Why is the Pearl cheaper than the 8700c and other Blackberries?

Its always cheaper when it just get released... then the price gets adjusted..

Posted by: wickcity

On premeire, it has blackberry unlimited add on for 41.39 and blackberry unlimited personal for 27.59. What is the difference? Does the personal still have unlimited internet browsing?

On Cingular.com it has both the blackberry unlimited and unlimted personal with the prices slightly higher.

Just trying to find out the difference between blackberry unlimited and personal unlimited?

Can anybody help with the difference?

thanks in advance.

Posted by: FarSeide

Blackberry Unlimited (what I have) uses BES and Blackberry Personal does not. You will be able use unlimited internet on both plans but you wont be able to retrieve your corporate emails using the personal, only Blackberry Unlimited.

So if you have corporate email accounts that you need to connect to, then you must have Blackberry Unlimited. If you only wishes to check your personal email and browse, you could get away with Personal.

Posted by: wickcity

I do not have any corporate email that I need to connect to so what your saying is that I could sign up for the blackberry personal and only pay the 27.59 AND THIS INCLUDES UNLIMITED WEB BROWSING. Is that correct?

The only reason I'm double checking is I've been looking very hard at the Blackjack and Nokia E62 and Cingular is telling me I need the 39.99 unlimited plan. Now, I know some have attached the 19.99 media max package instead of the 39.99 unlimited plan. I've been assured by several Cingular people that the media max plan will only work for a short time until Cingular puts a stop to it and force people over to the 39.99 unlimted plan.

So, with all that said, it seems wierd that Cingular would allow a blackberry unlimited browsing plan for 27.59(with my wifes company discount) and not make people pony up for the unlimited data plan.

Does this make sense?

Posted by: Tjash2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by FarSeide

Its always cheaper when it just get released... then the price gets adjusted..

I think it will stay at 199.99 though. Mainly because its targeted at the consumer market, and lots of people dont want to drop alot more for a cell phone. Also they need a competing price with T-mobile. The average consumer will say "I want that phone, Who has it for cheapest?" And pick t-mobile (if Cingular were to raise the price)

Posted by: GregGebhardt

I know this is personal opinion but after playing with the 8100c for just a few minutes I can already say it is going back. Too small, toy like feeling. The Pearl give no tactile feedback and is not near as easy to use as my trackwheel on my 8700c.

It is not for me!

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by wickcity

I do not have any corporate email that I need to connect to so what your saying is that I could sign up for the blackberry personal and only pay the 27.59 AND THIS INCLUDES UNLIMITED WEB BROWSING. Is that correct?

The only reason I'm double checking is I've been looking very hard at the Blackjack and Nokia E62 and Cingular is telling me I need the 39.99 unlimited plan. Now, I know some have attached the 19.99 media max package instead of the 39.99 unlimited plan. I've been assured by several Cingular people that the media max plan will only work for a short time until Cingular puts a stop to it and force people over to the 39.99 unlimited plan.

So, with all that said, it seems wierd that Cingular would allow a blackberry unlimited browsing plan for 27.59(with my wifes company discount) and not make people pony up for the unlimited data plan.

Does this make sense?

First of all, those Cingular people that say they'll put a stop to Media Max usage on a PDA are full of baloney. But that's another issue. You should be able to use the $30 blackberry plan on any blackberry or PDA for full use of the internet. This includes something like a blackjack or 8525 instead of the $40 plan.
Why do you think it's wierd? It's just about as logical (rather illogical) as the way the rest of their data plans are priced and categorized.
Pricing has nothing to do with capabilities. It's merely what they think people will pay for it (consumer demographic.) Somehow they figured out that corporations would pay $45 for their employees to use a blackberry, personal blackberry users would pay $30, Smartphone users will only pay $20, but PDA users would pay $40. Even though all of those plans offer the same thing unlimited internet.
I'm trying to confirm this, and there is some debate, but I understand that $30 blackberry gives you wap.cingular, isp.cingular (the two APN's in PDA connect) as well as blackberry.cingular (the BB APN.)
Yes, using $30 BB instead of $40 PDA as a loophole to unlimited PDA has been discussed. I just haven't seen anyone come on here and actually say they're doing it.
The reason I'm 99% sure it'll work is because you can get a Treo 650 with Blackberry Connect software from Cingular, and get the $30 blackberry plan to use with it. The Treo needs the wap.cingular or isp.cingular APNs to get to the Internet.
Someone mentioned needing to request a "Blackberry PDA" plan but I don't know if that was confusion or if it's an unlisted plan that you have to ask for. I can't find any reference to it.

Here's what you do. Get the $30 BB plan. Try it. If it doesn't work, call up and switch to $20 Media max (or $40 plan if you prefer.) Move over to the $40 PDA from Media Max plan when and if they force you to, in the mean time take the savings.
There's no harm in trying, and I mean that seriously. Your only inconvenience is that you'll have to make a few more phone calls to CS and say "I need to switch from Blackberry personal to PDA Connect." (and they'll do it.) Cingular CS does what you ask them to do if you ask for it decisively, I've never had them not.

Come back here and tell us if it works.
My company is getting me a blackberry on Cingular next week. This will be in addition to my own personal Cingular account for my PDA. By Wed. I should be able to tell you if BB connect works on a PDA (treo 650 and 8525, which would be the same as using it on an E52.)
I could just call up today and try the $30 BB plan, but I'm already on MediaMax and I'm just going to keep it that way until I'm kicked off (which I seriously doubt will happen in the foreseeable future.)

Posted by: RF9

Nuts. I've been holding out for the Pearl or 8800 before requesting my blackberry at work. I.T. responded that they don't yet offer the Pearl because they want to evaluate new BB models before making them available to employees (in other words, for months.)
I asked them if I could get it anyway and help them evaluate the Pearl, they said they are sometimes looking for new testers and will get back to me on my offer to "evaluate the Pear"

. Otherwise I'm stuck with the 8700 (which ain't that bad, it's just big.)
Here's to hoping they'll let me get the Pearl.

Posted by: kirbo20

There is some truth to your post but let me clarify a little more. There are 3 types of blackberry plans one being the $29.99 BIS this only opens the blackberry apn. Then there is the Blackberry unlimited $44.99 that is supposed to be used on blackberry's using BES once again only opening blackberry apn. Then there is the Blackberry Connect which is the most flexible of the blackberry plans. It is technically for use on non-blackberry devices such as the E62 and Treo's. This plan will use either apn's wap.cingular or blackberry.net. The E62 will use the blackberry apn for email and wap.cingular for web browsing. By opening wap.cingular you can obviously use the internet on any phone that doesn't require the blackberry apn. So the conclusion is that the $29.99 BIS and the Blackberry Unlimited for BES $44.99 will not allow internet on non-blackberry devices. Blackberry connect will because it has to allow non-blackberry devices to access the internet therefore it has to open wap.cingular. Media Max or PDA plans will not work on Blackberry devices because they either allow wap.cingular or isp.cingular. Ok I am done rambling.

Posted by: dsteve

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregGebhardt

I know this is personal opinion but after playing with the 8100c for just a few minutes I can already say it is going back. Too small, toy like feeling. The Pearl give no tactile feedback and is not near as easy to use as my trackwheel on my 8700c.

It is not for me!

I just went in to pick mine up and was also surprised at how small it is...I think it might be too small but will play with it for a bit before deciding. Not toy-like, but perhaps lacking in real estate. Will see.

I don't want the size of the 8700c and think the Blackjack is probably the most likely alternative for me.

Posted by: RF9

Yeah. I just checked this page:
http://business.cingular.com/busine...dataconnect.jsp
They list these 3 unlimited data plans for Blackberry (in summary)
1. PDA Connect for BlackBerry Connect™ ($45)
2. BlackBerry Personal (BIS Only) ($30)
3. BlackBerry Enterprise ($45)

Which is basically exactly what kirbo20 is saying.
Only #1 will get you BIS + wap.cingular + isp.cingular. #2 and #3 are BIS only and won't get you internet on a PDA. Or so that's the theory.
(wap.cingular or isp.cingular for internet access. BIS for blackberry email)

One thing we have to be careful of is that Cingular has a lot of plans for different prices that are all identical. For example "PDA Connect", "PDA Connect for Microsoft Direct Push", and "PDA Connect for Good" are all 100% identical. The only difference is that the latter 2 cost $5 more.

I understand that BB personal and BB enterprise (#2 and #3 above) are identical as well.
But #1 (PDA for BB Connect) is the exception to this and is actually a superset of "PDA connect" and "Blacberry connect" offering all 3 types of connections (wap.cingular, isp.cingular, and BB)

So it looks like using the $30 plan as a loophole won't work for an E62. Just the opposite, you'll have to pay $5 more.

Posted by: oneaznriceboi

I just got the Pearl this afternoon, must say it is a lot smaller than my 8700C. I shall play with it more and see how I like it.

Posted by: Tjash2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by oneaznriceboi

I just got the Pearl this afternoon, must say it is a lot smaller than my 8700C. I shall play with it more and see how I like it.

Take some pictures if you can! I really want to see some real life shots of this phone before I buy. I dont know if I like the coloring Cingular picked out.

Posted by: RHG247

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirbo20

So the conclusion is that the $29.99 BIS and the Blackberry Unlimited for BES $44.99 will not allow internet on non-blackberry devices.

Does this mean that it DOES ALLOW internet on the pearl?

All of these data plans are super-duper complicated, but I guess consumer confusion is how Cingular milks extra money out of us all. So I'm hearing this talk of corporate email vs ISP email and that doesn't make sense either when right on the premier site it says: BlackBerry Personal Unlimited Plan Add On
BlackBerry Internat Service (BIS) is a service hosted by Research in Motion (RIM) that automatically pushes(forwards) e-mail from Internet Service Provider (ISP) accounts and corporate email accounts to a BlackBerry handheld device

If both get you unlimited web internet AND corporate email then why would you want the Blackberry Unlimited Add On? f

Ultimately I want the Pearl and I want it to sync my Exchange email while also giving me web browsing like my WM5 3125 does. Will pearl + Blackberry PERSONAL Unlimited Add On do this?

Sorry if i've missed something really obvious!

Thanks!

Posted by: oneaznriceboi

It actually does have that glossy black finish on it. It looks a lot better in person that it does in those pictures. It doesn't have that black glossy finish like the Tmobile one, but it still does look really nice. Not as sexy but still very good looking.

A size comparaison between the razr, peral, and 8700

Thickness comparison

See how much less wide it is compared to the 8700C

The back.

So far using it, the trackball is way to sensative, if you move it a little to much to one side it just scrolls all the way down. The phone doesn't come with a holster so two thumbs down there. I am still trying to figure out how to put MP3s on at the momment, but overall it is a very nice small BB.

Posted by: imnotoriousjoe

is ptt enabled?

Posted by: oneaznriceboi

Quote:

Originally Posted by imnotoriousjoe

is ptt enabled?

Yes it is.

Posted by: WirelessAndy

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregGebhardt

The Pearl give no tactile feedback and is not near as easy to use as my trackwheel on my 8700c.

This is pretty important to me...

I know the 7130c keys feel pretty good. Very "clicky". Trying to decide between that at the Pearl.

The only Pearl I've seen was a T-Mo dummy. The keys reminded me of the "rubbery mat style" one similar to my Nokia 6230b. But at least the 6230b's keys provide SOME tactile feedback.

Would you say the Pearl's keys are any worse than a 6230b (if you've ever seen one)?

Posted by: dsteve

I can't speak to the clickiness of the pearl vs the 6230b, but based off of recollection, it's way better than the e62 and not as tactile as the blackjack. Don't remember the 8700c or 7130c enough to compare. I was relatively impressed by the blackjack's keyb.

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by xx

I know this is personal opinion but after playing with the 8100c for just a few minutes I can already say it is going back. The Pearl give no tactile feedback and is not near as easy to use as my trackwheel on my 8700c.

It is not for me!

as a counter point: it takes about a day of hard email use (not I just bought one to say I have one) to become fluent with suretype and the trackball. In my use I can type about 10% faster using sure type and knowing how to navigate with the trackball.

then again, that's just me. I'm sure BB virgins wouldn't notice any hindurance

Posted by: .7

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

I had a 7100g (my first BB) and it took about a week to get the hang of it, but for the most part I got the hang of it pretty quick. I'm now using the 8700 and I don't think I could ever be as fast on it as I was on the 7100. I played with the Pearl today and while I fat fingered it all day, I definitely saw the potential in the UI to compensate for the track-wheel, I think it just takes time. I think the only thing I didn't like was the lack of spacing between the keys, something that a big guy like myself can appreciate, but I think were getting to the point where the size and functionality barriers are hitting the wall, so to speak. I don't see how they could have done it any smaller and still made it, well, a BB.

BB reminds me of Sonyericsson at times, or the other way around. They both just have damn good, thought out, intuitive UI's. Its the little things, like the way they intergrate the pearl into the camera zoom, the submenu options, its just a complete picture in my book. Maybe this is something I like more about BB's then this device in particular, but they know how to make an engaging device IMO.

I just walked away thinking "what a cool device" and it takes a lot to impress me these days, not that impressing me means a thing, but yea, impressed.

Posted by: I have a phone

you put it into words better than I .7

Posted by: .7

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

you put it into words better than I .7

Why thank you!

Hey, for all those that are coming from an 8700 or full qwerty, please understand that you are simply not going to be typing lighting fast out of the box, I dont care who you are or how quick you pick up on things. You need to give the device at least 3-5 days IMO, but sooner or later your going to start seeing the difference. The scroll speed on the Pearl is a lot faster than than the 8700 in addition to being able to scroll up/down and left/right.

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

I felt retarded using the 7130's keypad. Is the pearl's sure type better or do I just need to play with it more?
i dominate on the 8700!

Posted by: kirbo20

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHG247

Sorry if i've missed something really obvious!

Thanks!

Yes the $29.99 will work on any Blackberry Device "not using BES".

Posted by: maevro

Quote:

Originally Posted by .7

Hey, for all those that are coming from an 8700 or full qwerty, please understand that you are simply not going to be typing lighting fast out of the box, I dont care who you are or how quick you pick up on things. You need to give the device at least 3-5 days IMO, but sooner or later your going to start seeing the difference. The scroll speed on the Pearl is a lot faster than than the 8700 in addition to being able to scroll up/down and left/right.

I could not agree with this statement more. Look back in the beginning of this thread and I said that it is not your normal "phone in your hand". It took a few days of playing with it to feel comfortable, and you are either going to love the scroll button or you are going to hate it. It was enough to push me to the Blackjack.

Posted by: ChrisMc73

One of the videos I was watching from YouTube about the Pearl says those keys on the Pearl become loose and kind of not very responsive...you can see it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKtM...related&search=

Posted by: walds11

Got one!!! I called 3 local stores this morning. First two did not have any in stock and expected a shipment next week. The thrid store received 5 last night. I told them to put one on hold and I ran right out to pick it up. Apparently, teh stores are ordering large quantities, but they are only receiving small quantities because it is such a hot item.

First impressions. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the small form factor. The keyboard is a bit "squishy." Hopefully no long term issues it holds up in the long run. The trackball will take time getting used to, but it's cool. Hopefully there are no long term issues with the trackball. The vibrate mode is a bit weaker than in previous phones I have had. And the flimsy battery door cover can be an issue as well. Other than that, the Pearl is awesome!!!

Posted by: ant architect

As someone who has to sell to people the "value" of SureType daily, I can honestly tell you that I LOVE SureType. I had been using a 7130c previous to using the Pearl, and I tried to go back to an 8700g for a bit, just to remember what it was like, and I type a lot faster on SureType. It's also great because I don't have to reach around for keys (this sounds so bad) when I'm using the devices with one hand (i.e. when driving). SureType is not only incredibly easy to use, even moreso than predictive/T9, but it also learns words from everything -- e-mails, address book, common usage... and it also now (on Pearl) is intuitive, so if you're ever typing something that has multiple word possibilities (i.e. are/see), it will figure out which one is improbable and choose the correct one.

As for the trackball, I HATED Pearl the first two days I used it because I was so used to the scrollwheel... just stick with it. It's great because you're not stuck to right-handed use anymore. Try playing BrickBreaker with the Pearl for a little bit to get used to it.

Hope that helps.

Posted by: msarway

i got 1 today i had the 7130c they had plenty of them in the store in brooklyn NY in case any one wants them. so far so good. the track ball takes getting used to but its ok. if you are a heavy email user this device is not for you.

Posted by: kirbo20

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Originally Posted by msarway

i got 1 today i had the 7130c they had plenty of them in the store in brooklyn NY in case any one wants them. so far so good. the track ball takes getting used to but its ok. if you are a heavy email user this device is not for you.

I disagree with your last sentence. I am a heavy email user and I absolutely love it. I type just as fast on the Pearl as I did on my 8700. However I am doing it one handed on the pearl. It just takes some practice with the soft keys and Suretype. Give the Pearl a week and I bet you retract your thoughts about heavy email users.

Posted by: ofcjscottg

Anyone from Lexington, KY know if the Pearl is in the local stores here? Got a BlackJack and like it but want to try the Pearl. I was told that RadioShack was going to have the Pearl exclusively for about 2 months before the company stores got them. From what you guys are saying they are already in the stores?!?

Posted by: blahmike

I got the phone to in NYC, 30 mins today after walking into a store that claimed they didnt have it in yet. Haven't had a chance to play with it since yet much but one thing I noticed was that it's lacking an IM client. Is there anyway to get the IM program that comes with the TMobile version, or do I have to buy it? All I see included is Blackberry Messenger.

Posted by: maevro

I played with the Cingular version today in NYC today. It is the same as the TMobile except for the color and I like the all black personally. Man, I had the unlocked TM pearl last month and I didnt even realize how much smaller it is then the BJ.

This phone is really a business phone. It you want programs (IM, Games, Etc.), I think the BJ is more of a user friendly phone. Just my opinion.

Posted by: .7

I played with it more today and I think I can see where GregG is coming from. There is more of a definite "click" on the 8700, 7100 series phones when it comes to the keypad. When you really get going on the typing when you press a button, you'll notice that the surrounding keys just kind of cave in with your key press, like the whole pad is one piece (which I'm sure it is). I think the forum factor and the media abilities are an acceptable trade off for most, but I can see where this might be a little annoying.

Posted by: fredyoon

Can anyone tell me which Cingular stores in Manhattan (NYC) have the Pearl? I'm calling around and none of the stores have them.

Thanks

Posted by: GregGebhardt

OK, I gave the 8100c a day or two to get me used to it and I must say I am liking it better. While I love the new features of the 8100C over my 8700C, the form factor and ball thing is going to take me some getting used to. So far I will say that I wll stick with it but the second the new QWERTY version comes out after the first of the year, the 8100c will likely be history. Sorry but I really love my QWERTY keyboard but then I hear people say give it a chance . . . . we will see

Posted by: blahmike

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Originally Posted by fredyoon

Can anyone tell me which Cingular stores in Manhattan (NYC) have the Pearl? I'm calling around and none of the stores have them.

Thanks

The one in the Village, on Broadway near Astor had it but were holding it for new activations only, but I wound up taking a train ride to Forrest Hills and got it there.

Posted by: fredyoon

I went to the same Broadway store on 745 Broadway (Broadway and Astor Place) next to GameStop. At first, they told me that they were selling the Pearl for new activations only, but then I spoke to the Assistant Manager and he sold one to me for the full price (US$ 399). After calls to multiple stores, I was able to get one today and love it better than my 8700c which died on me recently.

Posted by: wickcity

fredyoon,

How is the speed of the web browser? Your overall thoughts on the web browsing experience on the Pearl?

Thanks

Posted by: fredyoon

WickCity, I personally think that it's faster than my old BlackBerry, the 8700c, and the menu's are a bit faster because of the software.
I tried out my friend's T-Mobile version as well, and think that the Cingular version, the responsiveness to the menu's are a bit faster on this one. Loving it right now. Did take me quite a lot of phone calls but I was finally able to get one. Most of the stores don't have them because they are all either sold out, or are reserving their limited supplies right now to new activations only but if you speak to the store manager, they may or may not be able to sell you one. That's what happened to me today. I was finally able to get one at full retail.

Posted by: wickcity

Thanks for the reply. My wife's company is having a wireless expo this coming Tuesday and I contacted the Cingular rep and she informed me they will have both the Pearl and BJ available to check out. Both phones I'm considering. I know the BJ is 3G and web browsing is a biggie for me, I would expect the BJ to be faster but I wonder how much so? Again, I haven't seen the Pearl yet but spending several hours tracking down interviews on the web, I do seem to like many of the features on the Pearl.

Posted by: blahmike

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Originally Posted by wickcity

Thanks for the reply. My wife's company is having a wireless expo this coming Tuesday and I contacted the Cingular rep and she informed me they will have both the Pearl and BJ available to check out. Both phones I'm considering. I know the BJ is 3G and web browsing is a biggie for me, I would expect the BJ to be faster but I wonder how much so? Again, I haven't seen the Pearl yet but spending several hours tracking down interviews on the web, I do seem to like many of the features on the Pearl.

I had the Blackjack for a week and while the phone/features were fine, the battery life was horrible. I actually had to "disable" the phone from going into 3G mode since that seemed to be one of the reasons that the battery was draining so much (check out the BJ threads here). However, while in 3G, browsing/downloading was very fast.

Posted by: MrGOLF

The Pearl is absolutely fantastic. Every menu is so intuitive. I now know why Blackberry has such an amazing reputation. The screen resolution and clarity are by far the best on the market. I can see more on this tiny screen than I could on the iPAQ 6925, and that screen was huge (but its resolution was aweful.) My only problem with the Pearl is that the trackball doesn't have a way of poping out to clean the mechanical parts. Occasionally the ball doesn't register movements in a particular direction. I assume its because of dust or lint in the mechanisms.

Posted by: AbFab2theMax

actually, i think the blackjack has a better screen (better resolution, more clear, slightly better brightness), but i prefer the UI of thee Pearl much more to the BJ. or more acurately, i like the BB OS much better than Win Mobile 5. (the BJ is a great machine with a horrible OS.) WM5 requires a lot of customization, downloading, fixing. the Pearl is great out of the box. and the smarttype buttons are bigger than the 8700 series, which helps if your thumbs get cramped like mine on the 8700.

i used to have a BB, got the BJ b/c it was 3G, decided it was actually slower than the EVDO network on sprint (at least in NYC) and not that much faster than the EDGE, got the BB two days ago, and i love it.

Posted by: MrGOLF

I haven't played with the BlackJack, but I was immediately turned off by it's 80's calculator look. You may be right that the screen is better, I don't know. But yeah, I just don't need 3g, my pages load fast enough. All the extras and far less hassle with the BB.

Posted by: plz_kill_me

Wirelessly posted (blackjack: SAMSUNG-SGH-I607/I607FG1 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 320x240) UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

actually... I just ordered the Pearl. As I've stated in previous threads- practicality is key.