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**Release Date Discussion** Nokia N75 (APPROVED)(achived)
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Posted by: Moderator HF 26

We're going to give this a trial run and see how it works.

Please post all questions, information, and speculation on the Cingular release date of the Nokia N75 in this thread.
Any other discussion of this device should be posted in the **Discussion of Features** Nokia N75 (Testing)
sticky.

Posted by: ssusm

I've been a long time lurker here. Mods, thanks for listening to the community and responding with what looks like a win-win here. Organized threads and freedom to discuss what we want to.

Posted by: nyyankees

there are dates saying that the n75 will be out on the dec 22.

but then again, there were also ppl who said the krzr would be released on the 15th so who knows?

i personally think that the n75 will come out around january 20 if not later. cingular is ridiculously slow at getting phones to the market.

Posted by: TechnoCat

It's not Cingular in this case. Given where the phone was at with reliability at the beginning of the month, getting it out - meaning approved, built, correctly-flashed, packaged and shipped complete with sales training - couldn't have made the month.

Blaming Cingular for a consistent pattern makes sense, but blaming them for this particular screwup is unfair.

Posted by: serkoart

Gave the NOKIA flagship store in Manhattan a call and they stated that there hasn't been any update concerning the phone's release since last week's meeting (where they discussed the late December release of the N75 through Cingular!)

The Nokia rep also mentioned that he anticipates the N75 to come preloaded with BlackBerry Connect (a first for a flip phone) and an HSDPA firmware upgrade might be in the cards for 2007!

Take it for what its worth but I'm still optimistic about 2006 ending on a high note for Nokia, Cingular and the N75 fans.

Posted by: I have a phone

it will not be released in December.

Posted by: xj911

LOL, IHAP change your saying to "Crusher of Dreams"

Posted by: Deadman64

Well a week ago I heard the 15th, now I'm hearing the 22nd. I really hope it comes out before my 30 days is up

Posted by: Colbey

My question at this point is, who was the source that Gizmodo and tons of other sites used to say that the phone was coming out "in the next two weeks" about two weeks ago? Whoever it was, s/he was dead wrong and hopefully won't be trusted as an anon source anymore.

Anyway, at this point I find myself resigned to waiting for the phone. I'm 95% sure that it'll be released by Cingular in the next 6 weeks, and I'll get it whenever that is. Obviously I'm hoping for this month, but IHAP sounds right here.

Posted by: ExOrCizT

Wirelessly posted (W810i: SonyEricssonW810i/R4EA Browser/NetFront/3.3 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

Ihap is the crushes of dreams,
How much will it be when released

Posted by: cingular#1

i won't be released in December like IHAP has stated.

MAYBE January, but that is still pushing it....

Posted by: nyyankees

is it me, or is this phone looking more and more like the second coming of the razr v3i? i mean, release date after release date is going by, and nobody seems to have any information on the phone whatsoever. and when the v3i came out, the tech on it was seriously outdated, and the price of 299 was ludicrous.

I also believe that this thing will be priced rather high (im thinking 199.99). won't the technology on this be seriously outdated when it comes out? i mean ppl are already complaining about the lack of HSDPA, imagine what they will be saying in a month or two when it still wont hav HSDPA. besides, the SYNC is already comparable to the N75. i can only imagine that when cingular does put out the n75, samsung will put out a more advanced phone.

Posted by: Jonnycat26

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyyankees

besides, the SYNC is already comparable to the N75.

Last I checked the SYNC, with all of it's bells and whistles, was still a feature phone.

The N75 is a smartphone.

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonnycat26

Last I checked the SYNC, with all of it's bells and whistles, was still a feature phone.

The N75 is a smartphone.

You have to look at it in the eyes of the average consumer. Average Joe is going to see SYNC: Camera, 3G (UMTS+HSDPA), $50 and then see N75: Camera 3G (UMTS only), and if it's $200, he's gonna go, wait, I get more features for less money, and then buy the SYNC. IMO, if this thing is priced at anything over $150, it's doomed.

Posted by: Jonnycat26

Quote:

Originally Posted by meister74

Do you honestly believe the average customer knows the difference between UTMS and HSDPA?

They might spot the Microsoft Office and Web Browser capabilities on the N75 tho.

Posted by: nyyankees

johnnycat, ur wrong.

the average customer will see the huge difference in prices, and thats it.

typical avg customer:

"oh, both play music, both hav external buttons, 2.0MP camera, and both hav 3G? oh i guess the only difference is the companies that make them then. oh well, i think ill take the SYNC then. thank you."

besides, you know that cingular retailers are going to be pushing the a707 because it costs less for them.

Posted by: skidiver22

no most customers will be like where is your free phone so the n75 is out. I think the reason for the N75 being delayed is that cingular knows that over half of there customer base will not pay for it, the majority of customers were spoiled with free phones for so long, and thats why the north america market isn't has good as europe with high end phones. But still holding out hope for this phone.

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonnycat26

Do you honestly believe the average customer knows the difference between UTMS and HSDPA?

They might spot the Microsoft Office and Web Browser capabilities on the N75 tho.

No, but they'll know that it's something the N75 doesn't have, so even if they don't know what it means, they'll still feel like they got more for their money.

The SYNC has a web browser, and the average person doesn't need to look up Word docs on their phone.

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidiver22

no most customers will be like where is your free phone so the n75 is out. I think the reason for the N75 being delayed is that cingular knows that over half of there customer base will not pay for it, the majority of customers were spoiled with free phones for so long, and thats why the north america market isn't has good as europe with high end phones. But still holding out hope for this phone.

I'd have to disagree with that. They have the Pearl out, which is $200, the BlackJack is $200, and the 8525 is $400. There's always a market for the free phone crowd, and there will be a market for the power user who wants his phone to do a little more than make calls and send text messages.

Posted by: dmiat

On the other hand, an average user like me will see "SYNC - $50, n75 - $200: there must be something about the N75 that makes it more expensive. Must be a better phone. Do some research..." I am personally willing to pay $150 more for a smartphone. I find that most customers, myself included, are suspicious of "great deals". I don't know, maybe I am just snobby

Posted by: bobbbbio

Quote:

Originally Posted by meister74

I almost always associate a "smart phone" with a QWERTY keypad. The 3 competitors you mentioned all have them (albeit the Pearl's is not a total QWERTY, but it's definitely not a normal phone keypad). On the other hand, the N75 just looks like every other phone. Because of this, the average consumer is gonna see the N75 and compare it directly to the SYNC. If the N75 is a lot more expensive, I'm guessing they're gonna think it's just another Nokia "niche" phone and will quickly pass on it to buy the SYNC.

The BlackJack, Pearl, 8525, and Palm 750 crowd will not even look in the direction of the N75 - and those are the people who are willing to pay a premium on phones.

Personally, I don't care about the majority of the "smart phone" capabilities of the N75. I just can't stand any other GUI out there, and I'm willing to pay a premium for that. I also want a camera with a flash. The SYNC doesn't have a flash (hey, I go out at night a lot).

Posted by: DonaldMick

Quote:

Originally Posted by serkoart

The Nokia rep also mentioned that he anticipates the N75 to come preloaded with BlackBerry Connect (a first for a flip phone) and an HSDPA firmware upgrade might be in the cards for 2007!

Samsung T719 would like to have a word with you.

Posted by: Topsales

This discussion is getting off topic. It was nice of the mods to open a "release thread," so if we want to keep it around than I would suggest we discuss release dates and not "is the N75 a smartphone or not."

Is there any more info as far as the release date, other than possibly January sometime. IHAP or others, please let us know how it is doing in testing.

Posted by: bobbbbio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topsales

This discussion is getting off topic. It was nice of the mods to open a "release thread," so if we want to keep it around than I would suggest we discuss release dates and not "is the N75 a smartphone or not."

Is there any more info as far as the release date, other than possibly January sometime. IHAP or others, please let us know how it is doing in testing.

Ugh, is there anywhere we can go to just talk freely about everything concerning this phone?

Posted by: Topsales

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbbbio

Ugh, is there anywhere we can go to just talk freely about everything concerning this phone?

Sure, here:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1003663

Quote:

Originally Posted by moderator hf 26

We're going to give this a trial run and see how it works.

Please post all questions, information, and speculation on the Cingular release date of the Nokia N75 in this thread.
Any other discussion of this device should be posted in the Nokia N75 Symbian UMTS (In Testing) sticky.

The point of this thread was a release date, so that people wouldn't have to wade through page after page of other stuff to find out information about the release. Now we have an area for each discussion, release and product features. I sure like it better this way.

If we keep the treads on topic it sure makes it easier to find information. That is just my .02.

Posted by: bobbbbio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topsales

If I post a question like, "when will the release of an HSDPA firmware be available," which forum would I post it to?

It seems like many of the features and release dates are tied together. In fact, the longer we wait the more the features influence the release and the release influences the features. It gets harder and harder to separate the two. If we stop the discussion of one, we'll stop the discussion of the other.

Just my 2 pennies as well.

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbbbio

If I post a question like, "when will the release of an HSDPA firmware be available," which forum would I post it to?
.

well, since that's not in the cards then I would guess none

Posted by: hal2k

Jan 9th 2007

Based on using my juice box and a 2006 RNC calendar as an ouija board, it told me that the N75 will not be out this year. But my juice box leaked all over the vice president, so I dunno. It's time for my nap.
hal2k

Posted by: skidiver22

for awhile the nokia n75 product page was up then down then up and it hasn't been back up in awhile. The n75 release date could be delayed to a possible name change vi cingular at&t what do ya'll thank about that?

From my post above if you have ever worked in a retail cellphone store you would know that most cellphone users don't even know what a pearl is or a blackberry.

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidiver22

The n75 release date could be delayed to a possible name change vi cingular at&t what do ya'll thank about that?

I think it has nothing to do with the release date

Posted by: sha12yog

the phone available to order!!!!!!!!!!!!

who cares if it is dummy!!!!!!

http://www.dummyphones.com/product_p/nkn75.htm

Posted by: Moderator HF 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topsales

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

If anyone here is still confused after reading this, and the simple rules in my original post, please PM me and I will try to help you understand.

Posted by: SymbianBlack

I doubt if this phone will come out before 2007. I paid my bill at a corp. Store and the assit. Store manager never even herd of the phone!

Posted by: tendura

Quote:

Originally Posted by SymbianBlack

I doubt if this phone will come out before 2007. I paid my bill at a corp. Store and the assit. Store manager never even herd of the phone!

I've been to several corp stores across the midwest (Kansas, Missouri, Illinois) over the past month, and NO ONE has heard of this phone. I'm not holding my breath on this handset. I would like to see it released sometime soon, but I just don't see it happening. I would be shocked if it came out in January.

Posted by: SymbianBlack

I think it may be just a nokia usa release and not on any major carrier like the 6670 and n91

Posted by: ExOrCizT

Quote:

Originally Posted by SymbianBlack

I think it may be just a nokia usa release and not on any major carrier like the 6670 and n91

if it is i would shoot myself. im waiting for cingy to release it

Posted by: Viipottaja

I am still 75%

sure that it will be released by Cingular or another major carrier. Nokia went through the trouble of designing it specifically for the US market, and I doubt they would let it become another "available through Nokia USA and some select retailers only" phone. I.e. I think Nokia is willing to take a bit of a hit in terms of wholesale price if that's what it takes. Wishful thinking perhaps, but I am still full of hope.. lol..

Posted by: NHK

I live in SF and the phone is already out. My friends friend has it. He really likes it, so I'll be picking mine up hopefully wednesday. Price I was quoted from my friend was 450 or so. Don't know how much it will be with a contract etc. Obviously, its unbranded any other details I shall let you guys know.

In terms of talking to corporate stores/kiosks etc, 95% of them havent heard of the phone, and the ones who knew what I was talking about had no clue when. A wireless agent I talked to said he can get the phone but it would be few weeks and it'll cost a pretty penny. But he wasnt sure on his timeframe.

Posted by: bmache

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHK

I live in SF and the phone is already out. My friends friend has it. He really likes it, so I'll be picking mine up hopefully wednesday. Price I was quoted from my friend was 450 or so. Don't know how much it will be with a contract etc. Obviously, its unbranded any other details I shall let you guys know.

In terms of talking to corporate stores/kiosks etc, 95% of them havent heard of the phone, and the ones who knew what I was talking about had no clue when. A wireless agent I talked to said he can get the phone but it would be few weeks and it'll cost a pretty penny. But he wasnt sure on his timeframe.

Any information on where you're going to get it from would be great.

Posted by: nyyankees

i walked into my local cingy store, and the guy said that the n75 wont be out til March 07!!! Holy crap, wtf is going on over there. I told them that it was supposed to be out in november, and he said, "yah, but i think they ran into some problems with it, and it wont be out til march."

behold the Nokia V3i

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHK

You're gonna cause alot of excitement with this post, I hope you have some info to back it up

Posted by: NHK

Quote:

You're gonna cause alot of excitement with this post, I hope you have some info to back it up

Quote:

Any information on where you're going to get it from would be great.

yea, Irving street off 19th, its where all the chinese phone dealers are located. You can get a lot of different phones there for good deals too. My friend and her friend were both using japanese phones here (dont ask which ones because I didnt ask....yea my ******* fault)

Posted by: bella172

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHK

What store did your friends friend pick up the phone? And since he really likes it, what is going on with Cingular? This doesn't make any sense. Give me back the AT&T Wireless days. When I worked for ATTWS, our best relationship was with Nokia and Ericsson. We had a mediocre relationship with Motorola. Nokia was our best friend back in the day. Cingular is a pain. So the phone is out after all. Well, I would like it so I could wish myself a Merry Christmas.

Posted by: mush10

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I would be very careful buying that phone from there.

I think we are looking at a January release assuming there are no major problems in testing.

Posted by: mush10

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P.S. my source also lists the krzr coming out 12/22, the moto izar (stupid name) 1/15, and the n75 1/3 OF COURSE THESE ARE ALL TENATIVE DATES just thought i'd fan the flames

THis was posted in the regular phones forum. If the Krzr comes out on the 22nd it could provide a glimmer of hope.

Posted by: SymbianBlack

The n75 will come out.... The question is who knows when? And who has concrete truth about the realease date? Every one should stop talking about it UNTIL some one with reliable information post on the board

Posted by: mush10

What's the point of having the boards then? The only time anyone truly knows is when the date is officially announed by Cingular. The fun of this is to take all the rumors with a grain of salt and having the comforting feeling that many share your pain.

Posted by: awj223

Does Nokia ever change the version of Symbian running on a phone model after it's released? For example, the N75 will not have HSDPA, but is there a possibility that later revisions of the N75 will?

Posted by: Jonnycat26

Quote:

Originally Posted by awj223

Does Nokia ever change the version of Symbian running on a phone model after it's released? For example, the N75 will not have HSDPA, but is there a possibility that later revisions of the N75 will?

1)Not to date
2)Probably none at all.

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by mush10

What's the point of having the boards then? The only time anyone truly knows is when the date is officially announed by Cingular. The fun of this is to take all the rumors with a grain of salt and having the comforting feeling that many share your pain.

Does Cingular ever officially announce release dates? Or do phones just show up one day?

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by SymbianBlack

The n75 will come out.... The question is who knows when? And who has concrete truth about the realease date? Every one should stop talking about it UNTIL some one with reliable information post on the board

it already has been posted

Posted by: rpk113

touche IHAP, touche!!

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

it already has been posted

Do you have any more information other than "it won't be released in December"? And why should we believe you over the other hundreds of people on here making claims about the release date?

Posted by: nyyankees

Quote:

Originally Posted by mush10

THis was posted in the regular phones forum. If the Krzr comes out on the 22nd it could provide a glimmer of hope.

well, the krzr wont be coming out on the 22nd, in fact, its prolly delayed until at least march or april according to the boy genius report. this does not bode well for the N75 either.

Posted by: DonaldMick

Why would a "testing failure" for one phone from a different manufacturer hold up the release of another?

Posted by: nyyankees

no, it doesnt affect the n75. im just refuting rumors that said that the krzr will be out on the 22nd, and the n75 will be out on 1/3/07.

contrary to the rumors, the krzr will not be released on the 22nd which surely makes you question the credibility of these rumors and seriously makes it unlikely that the n75 will be released on the 3rd of january

Posted by: rock99rock

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHK

yea, I know, I made sure I explained the phone, how it looked etc. My friends friend was like "yea I know what you're talking about, my friend has it....." so I'm like whoa. I talked to my good friend and he said he heard the same thing. So we're both going up there wednesday to find out. Been a lurker so had to join and post it. I hope they're right. I REALLY want this phone.

yea, Irving street off 19th, its where all the chinese phone dealers are located. You can get a lot of different phones there for good deals too. My friend and her friend were both using japanese phones here (dont ask which ones because I didnt ask....yea my ******* fault)

Get your phone?

Posted by: NHK

so got back from SF....and this one place, world com had it....BUT....BUT....they only had it if I ordered it and bought it straight up, so the guy roughly quoted me 5 bills, and I'm like aw, no thanks. All other places didnt have it.....some places have heard of it but like others have posted, it will come out to cingular on Janurary. I was in a rush so didnt have the time to really chit chat with them plus with other customers there. This one storether said its already out but just that they didnt carry it because its "not popular" and im my mind i was like "-_____-" Obviously, since the phone isn't mainstream to begin with and when it does hit cingular, it'll be much more popular. Anyways, sorry guys for disappointing you. I'm fairly bummed as well.

In terms of actual release date, we never got a real solid, set in stone date right? Only "before xmas" to "q1 jan".....

So do you think I should order the phone for that much? I'm afraid I do and a week later it'll be half off or something with the plans etc.....and its not like the agents will refund the difference =/

Posted by: nyyankees

NHk, dont buy it from him. u will lose the warranty, and who knows if it even has the final firmware on it. id hate to see you lose 500 bucks if the phone gets messed up. just wait a lil while like the rest of us.

Posted by: NHK

yea I was thinking that as well, seoulman had his phone he was messing around with that worked quite well except for that one program that was installed and yet another tester had a lot of bugs on his, so.....makes you wary....I'm a patient man but talking or looking it up every day makes it hard

Posted by: ette212

so not to burst anyone's bubble (like they haven't all been burst already, including mine), but my friend is a mgr at a corp. store and he says that they're always notified prior to a phone being released that there will actually be a release, and of the release date, and that he hasn't heard anything about the n75 other than "cingular will be getting it" and that at this point, it's out into Q1 07.

Posted by: ette212

oh and p.s. i asked him well, whatever happened to the n80? isn't this the same thing? and he said with the n80, they never got word that cingular was going to get it, just that they were THINKING about getting it.

Posted by: NHK

q1 07.....thats from....january to march? right? so it can be as "little" as few weeks to couple months.......*sighs*

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by meister74

And why should we believe you over the other hundreds of people on here making claims about the release date?

believe whomever you'd like. Some know, some don't. Some read between the lines, some don't.

Posted by: ExOrCizT

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

believe whomever you'd like. Some know, some don't. Some read between the lines, some don't.

so iHAP is dead set on late jan. hopefully he has the CORRECT information.

i asked my cingular rep at the store about it, and he had never heard of the phone and looked on phonescoop for release information. i was thinking i have more reliable sources on hofo!

Posted by: mush10

Most store reps know nothing. When I was getting the SNYC, I went to a store two days before the release and the rep never heard of it.

Posted by: eggsuperperson

i just got back from a corporate store, manager there said that it would be out within the next 2 weeks. he even let me look at an inventory sheet, if i remember correctly it read: Nokia N75 (3G)-Est. Release: 1-2wks* -$299 w/2 yr.

Thats what i sort of remember, i could be wrong.

The manager said that they got the price sheet a little over a week ago.

Posted by: nyyankees

well, i went to nokiausa.com>phones>expected soon>nokia n75>device comparison

and it says expected availability early Q1 2007. they finally updated the stupid site.

also, the caption under the phone that read "this device has not yet been authorized...by the fcc" has also been removed.

Posted by: illmatic416

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyyankees

well, i went to nokiausa.com>phones>expected soon>nokia n75>device comparison

and it says expected availability early Q1 2007. they finally updated the stupid site.

also, the caption under the phone that read "this device has not yet been authorized...by the fcc" has also been removed.

" Expected availability early 2007" for the N75

" Expected availability Q1 2007" for the N73

funny that a phone you can purchase unlocked/imported right now from online retailers will be available anytime from Jan-Mar....but the phone that they worked on with Cingular is available "early 2007"...this could be good news assuming early 2007 means Jan...but me thinks it'll probably be out in March

Posted by: C. Money 88 05

Quote:

Originally Posted by eggsuperperson

i just got back from a corporate store, manager there said that it would be out within the next 2 weeks. he even let me look at an inventory sheet, if i remember correctly it read: Nokia N75 (3G)-Est. Release: 1-2wks* -$299 w/2 yr.

Thats what i sort of remember, i could be wrong.

The manager said that they got the price sheet a little over a week ago.

Damn. Just when I was getting ready to order the sync(I mean I'm on the site, and I was just clicking on the phone), I see this.

Next 2 weeks would put us in early 2007(what nokia.com says)
Next 2 weeks would be right around 1/3/07(rumored date that was floating around)

If I order the sync now though and it does come out around that time, I could always return it and get the N75, right? I would be ordering the phone off amazon.com, but they still do the 30 day policy just like cingular.

I guess the bigger question for me to answer...is it worth the extra $300 to have the N75(sync would be free, N75 apparently will be $300)

Posted by: C. Money 88 05

for people with questions about the price, I just thought about something.

could that -$299 w/2 yr. mean they take $299 off the retail price with a 2 year contract?

That's the only logical thing I could think of, because the phone doesn't have HSPDA(whatever it is, I can't get it anyway), and they already have the sync out(which has similar features as far as the consumer's concerned, and it's a lot cheaper, about $250 off retail price).

We all know the N-Series phones retail for a lot(N90 was $400 retail I believe, and has features most similar to the N75). So for argument's sake, let's say the N75 retails for around the $400-$450 total as well, then the phone would be $100-$150. That seems a lot more logical for this phone considering the situation it's being thrown into.

we can only hope I'm right though(for that matter, we can only hope that release sheet was right)

*figured I'd make a new post, because I've found that your post will be overlooked if it's too long most of the time.

Posted by: nyyankees

yah c. money, i dont think the phone will sell for 299, i think that price is before online discounts and mail in rebates. i actually think the phone will sell around 149.99 or 199.99.

its hard to imagine this thing going for 299 when even the blackjack goes for 199.

ive also read articles that mention that this is supposed to be the flagship phone for the cingular music phone service. if it indeed is, no one in their right mind would purchase this thing for a whopping 299.99.

Posted by: nyyankees

does anybody hav any idea if and when this does come out, will it include music accessories with it?

i kno that the w810i has an option to get a free 1GB memory stick with it. i only hope that this comes with at least a 1GB micro sd card.

if indeed the phone does cost around 299, and if you do have to buy ur own memory card and headset, that would be pretty lousy.

Posted by: mush10

Where did you see the early q1 release on the Nokia site? I only see expected soon.

Posted by: C. Money 88 05

Quote:

Where did you see the early q1 release on the Nokia site? I only see expected soon.

when you click on the N75, go to the details page(the N-Series page)
From there, go up to the corner where it says something about a comparison. It has the N-Series phones all compared for you, and the expected dates.
*side note- I didn't know the N71 and N72 were on sale on nokia.com.

I was just exploring the nokia site, and it doesn't look like it's coming with any micro sd card.

For the N75(according to Nokia.com, cingular could take some stuff out the box I believe)
Package Contents

• Colors: Chocolate Black
• Transceiver RM-128
• Charger AC-4
• Charger adapter CA-44
• Battery BL-5BT (800mAh)
• Stereo headset AD-41 + HS-28
• Connectivity cable CA-53
• CD-ROM: Nokia PCSuite 6.81 with Adobe Photoshop Album 3.0 & Lifeblog 2.1
• User Manual, Get Started Guide, Add-on Applications Leaflet

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. Money 88 05

I was just exploring the nokia site, and it doesn't look like it's coming with any micro sd card.

A SD card wouldn't come from Nokia, it would be something Cingular would add in. I doubt they'll be giving away 1GB micro SD cards but 256 might be reasonable.

Posted by: mush10

Thanks for pointing out where it says release info.

Posted by: C. Money 88 05

Quote:

Originally Posted by meister74

A SD card wouldn't come from Nokia, it would be something Cingular would add in. I doubt they'll be giving away 1GB micro SD cards but 256 might be reasonable.

I just added that info because most other N-Series phones came with memory cards in the package, from nokia themselves. I was just pointing out that this phone doesn't come with one packaged in like the other N-Series phones. I doubt cingular just puts one in the box, but that's not for me to say because I'm still relatively new to how cingular does things.

Posted by: DonaldMick

Cingular took the 512mb Memory Stick out of the w810 and replaced it with a 128mb. Read into that what you will.

Battery BL-5BT (800mAh)

::facepalm:: Hope you enjoy charging every night, folks.

Posted by: meister74

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. Money 88 05

Ah, didn't realize. I've been out of the Nokia camp since the days of my little 8290, and I've never had a phone with a memory card. In any case a 1GB Micro SD card runs about $30, so even if they don't include one, it wouldn't be much to get one.

One thing I wish they did include was a car charger, with the reported battery life on this thing, it should be included.

Posted by: Deadman64

With the updating of the nokia.com site and such it seems like it has a good chance of the first week of january. But my 30 days is up january 6. If i return the phone on january 2nd or so will they let me go without a phone [just have my sim and 2gb micro sd] and wait for teh n75?

Posted by: Colbey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadman64

With the updating of the nokia.com site and such it seems like it has a good chance of the first week of january. But my 30 days is up january 6. If i return the phone on january 2nd or so will they let me go without a phone [just have my sim and 2gb micro sd] and wait for teh n75?

I've never done that before, but I bet it's fine. If you want, just tell them that you have an old GSM phone lying around that you'll use in the meantime.

Posted by: Deadman64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colbey

I've never done that before, but I bet it's fine. If you want, just tell them that you have an old GSM phone lying around that you'll use in the meantime.

i hope so, i wouldnt need to get a new sim card or anything right? [i have one of those 3g sim cards]

Posted by: skidiver22

no new sim card it will work fine in any gsm phone thats not 3g has well

Posted by: ette212

has anyone else seen or heard about the n75 being on the pricing sheet besides egg? @ Deadman, i'm in the same situation as you.

Posted by: mush10

Quote:

Yes......I returned my LG to wait for the SYNC.

Posted by: nyyankees

hey guys, i was on the nokia site, and i stumbled upon this

http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N75/

its pretty cool, it has a whole lot of cingular crap all over the n75, but i thought ud like to see it. hopefully this means its coming out soon.

i wasnt sure which thread to post this in, so i posted it in both. enjoy

Posted by: skidiver22

I just stumbled upon it too it was up earlier in dec and late november then it was taken off. The site has been updated from the last time i saw it so maybe this is good news.

Posted by: bmache

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyyankees

hey guys, i was on the nokia site, and i stumbled upon this

http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N75/

its pretty cool, it has a whole lot of cingular crap all over the n75, but i thought ud like to see it. hopefully this means its coming out soon.

i wasnt sure which thread to post this in, so i posted it in both. enjoy

The page was up before, and had been down for sometime. The fact that it's now up may be good news.

Posted by: hitechy

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyyankees

The N80 product page had Cingular branding all over too and we all know what happened there. I'm hoping they release this like everyone else, but there is a strong chance it will get denied for the lack of HSDPA which was known to be a requirement for all WCDMA phones after the ZX-10/ CU320.

Posted by: NHK

well I went to stonestown mall in SF and lo and behold they had a nokia kiosk there. Of course they didnt have the n75 but the guy I talked to was very competent and used to work for cingular. He said (HIS words not mine) that the N75 will NOT be picked up by cingular for the following reasons

1) according to him, since he used to work for them, cingular likes cheap phones so that they can lure new customers in and lock up em with contracts.
2) lets face it, the phone is expensive. He said he expected the phone to be around 400 when it drop. So with contract and all, not going to be a super seller like the krzr or other phones out there
3) "insider info" : he has a friend in the cingular data dept (or sumthing like that) and he told the nokia rep guy that they're not picking up the phone. The reason, the nokia rep didnt say because he didnt really know, just that they werent picking up the phone even though the phone was testing quite well.

So my question? Why cingular? Why go through all the trouble of testing a phone (and in the case of da nokia 62xx, you know the one that had all the marketing/cms done but was NEVER shown the light of day, the rep mentioned that phone as well) and not picking it up when there are all these positive signs? Of course they need to look at it from a business aspect but one can jus talk to the manufacture and easily see if its a phone they need or not. Why spend all the money/trouble of testing a phone that will not be branded a cingular phone?

Anyone care to enlighten me?

He did add some tidbit of info. Along the same lines of seoulman, he said the n75 was testing well (i know another tester here had major probs with it but seoulman's version he had seemed very good) so shouldnt be too soon. Again though, the nokia rep said it would be out 1st Q 07. He didnt venture to guess what month.

Posted by: mikealive

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadman64

i have the same exact problem. i called cingular sales and told them about it, and they said just go to the authorized dealer where i got my other phone from and let them know the situation, and should be able to work out a deal with you. and she said, IF they do, make sure you get the agents name and employee number and have him give you written proof that he agreed to hit. i have till jan 5th.

Posted by: mikealive

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHK

well I went to stonestown mall in SF and lo and behold they had a nokia kiosk there. Of course they didnt have the n75 but the guy I talked to was very competent and used to work for cingular. He said (HIS words not mine) that the N75 will NOT be picked up by cingular for the following reasons

1) according to him, since he used to work for them, cingular likes cheap phones so that they can lure new customers in and lock up em with contracts.
2) lets face it, the phone is expensive. He said he expected the phone to be around 400 when it drop. So with contract and all, not going to be a super seller like the krzr or other phones out there
3) "insider info" : he has a friend in the cingular data dept (or sumthing like that) and he told the nokia rep guy that they're not picking up the phone. The reason, the nokia rep didnt say because he didnt really know, just that they werent picking up the phone even though the phone was testing quite well.

So my question? Why cingular? Why go through all the trouble of testing a phone (and in the case of da nokia 62xx, you know the one that had all the marketing/cms done but was NEVER shown the light of day, the rep mentioned that phone as well) and not picking it up when there are all these positive signs? Of course they need to look at it from a business aspect but one can jus talk to the manufacture and easily see if its a phone they need or not. Why spend all the money/trouble of testing a phone that will not be branded a cingular phone?

Anyone care to enlighten me?

He did add some tidbit of info. Along the same lines of seoulman, he said the n75 was testing well (i know another tester here had major probs with it but seoulman's version he had seemed very good) so shouldnt be too soon. Again though, the nokia rep said it would be out 1st Q 07. He didnt venture to guess what month.

i talked to a cingular rep over the phone by dialing 611 and she said she sees it in the system, but it shows no date or price, just says "early Q.1". that was as of two days ago. hope shes right!

Posted by: NHK

aw, really? that would be nice mike....hmmm so its in the "system"...good sign no? but if its in there then it may just seem like its a phone they're thinking about but hasnt been approved yet?

i want my nokia n75!!!

Posted by: C. Money 88 05

You don't know how happy I'll be if this phone comes out January 3rd. It'll be just my luck that I can't order it online though, and our stores here are JUST getting shipments of the Sync, and couldn't sell them before this week, so I can only imagine how long it would be for them to get the N75.

I'm still hoping though. I'm REALLY hoping for an amazon.com deal to come up relatively soon after the release, which would make the purchase a dream come true.

Posted by: ette212

i went to the local corp. store (not my friend's) and the rep didn't have a clue what the phone was. he was really irritating.

Posted by: The Nokian

How long after the Cingular release will it take to get these out unlocked on eBay?

Posted by: SunnyE

I finally gave up hopes on N75 release and got the Blackjack. Anyways, while I was at the Cingular store in NH, the rep gave me the N75 flyer and also told me that they will start shipping around late Jan but I should not expect before Feb.

Jut another tip, as usual with any dates take it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Deadman64

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyE

I finally gave up hopes on N75 release and got the Blackjack. Anyways, while I was at the Cingular store in NH, the rep gave me the N75 flyer and also told me that they will start shipping around late Jan but I should not expect before Feb.

Jut another tip, as usual with any dates take it with a grain of salt.

can you scan the N75 flyer and post it somewherE?

Posted by: nyyankees

yah, we would really appreciate it if you could scan it. although, i remember that the V3i brochure was out long before cingular released it. the N75 has fallen into the same boat.

hopefully i can pick up the apple phone (whatever they decide to call it) if it comes out at macworld.

Posted by: NHK

late jan? grrr, cant wait that long, ill jus get da n80 or sumthing then if its gonna take that long to get in, let alone out

Posted by: I have a phone

late Jan if ever

Posted by: Colbey

The Apple Phone, if it even exists, will not beat the N75 to market. If y'all want to hold out for it, then that's up to you. But in less than a month, you're going to have to decide between the tangible N75 that you can hold in a Cingular store, and the hypothetical iPhone that may not even have a feature list yet, let alone FCC approval or an appearance in stores. It'll still be up to you at that point, but if these are your only two choices, I have a feeling most of you will be getting the N75.

Posted by: xj911

Iphone? Even if it's released first only consumers fooled by the apple name will be the first to get it. I'll wait until it's determined that Apple can make a phone with good RF and features...I mean honestly Ipods are mostly hype IMO anyway. I'll stick with the Nokia for a phone....I mean even if the MP3 player isn't great I know the actual phone will work well.

Posted by: NHK

yea, I'm not waitin for the iphone personally, i hate all things apple, but its obvious the n75 will come out before the iphone. The question is whether it will be branded cingular or you buy it straight from nokia and roughly a specific time frame on when it drops.

Posted by: Deadman64

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyyankees

yah, we would really appreciate it if you could scan it. although, i remember that the V3i brochure was out long before cingular released it. the N75 has fallen into the same boat.

hopefully i can pick up the apple phone (whatever they decide to call it) if it comes out at macworld.

yeah, any chance of us getting that scan?

Posted by: C. Money 88 05

well, I've given up waiting for the time being and just ordered the sync. If it comes out within 30 days, I'll return the phone to amazon/cingular and make the switch, but this wait is too much.

Maybe I'll use the sync until the rumored HSPDA version comes out in "may"

Posted by: SunnyE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadman64

can you scan the N75 flyer and post it somewherE?

Don't have access to a scanner, but I took a picture of it at 1MP. The file was 96KB, but the forums didn't let me upload anything more than 14 KB, so I had to shrink/reduce quality. See attached:

Posted by: Deadman64

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyE

Don't have access to a scanner, but I took a picture of it at 1MP. The file was 96KB, but the forums didn't let me upload anything more than 14 KB, so I had to shrink/reduce quality. See attached:

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Posted by: nyyankees

yah, thanks for the picture. now lets just hope this thing comes out soon.

Posted by: NHK

thanks for the flyer. even though the phone will come out late jan as stated by sunny earlier, any chance of it hitting independent dealers sooner and some corp stores earlier?

Posted by: Rcadden

Well you all just suck. I was so content with leaving the initial N75 thread, what with the rumors of cancellations and whatnot, and you have to go and start a "Release Date" thread.

So of course I had to read it, and now I'm all interested and excited and whatnot, with a possible late Jan launch date.

Here's my dilemma:

Got a new job, had to add a second line to my account to have a business number. Took the BlackJack to check out the 3G, and I"M FREAKIN SPOILED. 3G is freakin fast as piss, and there's not a single Nokia available (non-proto) to take advantage of it!

The Blackjack is nice and all, but it's WM5, which is painful to use.

So now i'm wondering if I should keep the blackjack, sell it and get a E70, trade it for an E62, or take it all back, keep the line, forward the calls to my other number on my N73, and wait patiently for the N75. This sucks.

Posted by: SunnyE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rcadden

Well you all just suck. I was so content with leaving the initial N75 thread, what with the rumors of cancellations and whatnot, and you have to go and start a "Release Date" thread.

So of course I had to read it, and now I'm all interested and excited and whatnot, with a possible late Jan launch date.

Here's my dilemma:

Got a new job, had to add a second line to my account to have a business number. Took the BlackJack to check out the 3G, and I"M FREAKIN SPOILED. 3G is freakin fast as piss, and there's not a single Nokia available (non-proto) to take advantage of it!

The Blackjack is nice and all, but it's WM5, which is painful to use.

So now i'm wondering if I should keep the blackjack, sell it and get a E70, trade it for an E62, or take it all back, keep the line, forward the calls to my other number on my N73, and wait patiently for the N75. This sucks.

Being a S60 fan (Nokia 6682), I was patiently waiting for N75 till I played with Blackjack in a cingular store. Windows mobile has improved a lot over time (since 2003). I was sold to BJ and bought it. Moreover, 3G over HSDPA is Mass is about 850 kbps, was a no brainer over N75's UMTS !

Posted by: Rcadden

Eeeeewww see I HATE WM. I tried it with the SMT 5600, 8125, and now the BlackJack. The BlackJack is thus far the most tolerable of the lot. Still hate ActiveSync, justlike I did back in 01 with the HP Jornada and all these other WM devices.

Posted by: nyyankees

i heard from one store rep that this thing should come out no later than the 2nd week of Jan.

i hope this is indeed true, cuz if its not out by when i leave for skool, im prolly goin to get the w810i.

I am a big believer in the idea that the Apple phone (ichat mobile?) will enter the phone market and revolutionize it. beware nokia, motorola, and samsung. your days are numbered

rumors say that the phone will be running a Mini version of OS X. i was on the apple website yesterday, and was checking out all the neat things the new OS X can do. imagine the possibilities for a mobile phone.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/index.html

video calling made super easy with "iChat" on perhaps a phone called "iChat mobile?"

seemless integration with your home iTunes and iPhoto software?

it all sounds really exciting and hopefully, apple can release this phone with these capabilities and finally integrate the mobile phone market with the computer market.

Posted by: chlettn

I don't think that that urban legend called iWhatever will feature anything even just near the normal MacOS X...and it's quite funny, video calling is already super easy here in Europe, no need for Apple.

Posted by: nyyankees

nah, i do think that it will hav some very advanced features. i mean, theyve been working on it for over 4 years now, they better have something sweet in it in order to not disappoint at the macworld expo.

oh yah, where the hell is the damned N75 already?!! that lady at Nokia was deadwrong when she said it would ship on time

Posted by: Rcadden

Yes lets keep this thread on topic, shall we?

Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyyankees

oh yah, where the hell is the damned N75 already?!! that lady at Nokia was deadwrong when she said it would ship on time

and that's surprising?

Posted by: nyyankees

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

and that's surprising?

nah, its not really surprising, i just thought they would exercise some credibility, especially when they are talking to their shareholders. go figure

Posted by: NHK

2nd week of jan huh? i assume you talked to a cingular store rep? maybe i should ask my local places again, they may have a better idea you think?
if thats somehow confirmed within the next week, ill wait for it, otherwise i'm still thinking of getting the n80

Posted by: mush10

I asked another store rep yesterday when I was picking with a w810 for my wife and he had no information regarding the phone.

Posted by: ellroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

late Jan if ever

allow me to translate:

cingular has given nokia the ultimatum. if they don't fix whatever issues they have with the phone by late january, they're going to move on. a similar situation occured with the 6126 last summer.

as nokia doesn't have a successful record when working with cingular over the past few years, i'd say this phone is a good as scrapped. perhaps it will be resurrected in 2007...

...or, it'll be released...

Posted by: mush10

If this is not released, what will it mean for the future of Nokia and Cingular or the future and Nokia and HSDPA 850, 1900?

Posted by: Rcadden

Quote:

Originally Posted by mush10

If this is not released, what will it mean for the future of Nokia and Cingular or the future and Nokia and HSDPA 850, 1900?

One can only hope that Nokia will stop trying to alter their otherwise successful devices to Cingular's specs and ramp up their marketing for their Retail Flagship Stores.

Posted by: mush10

I am concerned the future unbranded phones will be with T-Mo's UMTS frequencies rather than Cingular.

Posted by: TechnoCat

Quote:

Originally Posted by mush10

If this is not released, what will it mean for the future of Nokia and Cingular or the future and Nokia and HSDPA 850, 1900?

Probably means nothing to Cingular, who is doing just fine selling normal phones, Blackberry Pearls to businessfolk, the Sync to semi-power-users, and a wide range of nearly-identical Samsung and LG phones to teeny boppers.

Nokia? Their decline will accelerate. But be honest about it... they've been behind the style-curve for several years and the Koreans are beginning to beat them on functionality, so if they can't even do reliable, who needs them?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rcadden

One can only hope that Nokia will stop trying to alter their otherwise successful devices to Cingular's specs and ramp up their marketing for their Retail Flagship Stores.

Hope? That there's a full-fledged hallucination. Nokia cannot make it, without a subsidizing partner. And evidence is, they've been falling apart and still are.

It was only 16 months ago that Nokia ousted their top guys due to their inability to sell into either the U.S. or Europe - they still were the largest, but also in the fastest decline. And 30 months ago (April 04) they had to restate estimates due to, quote from their CEO, "A lack of good mid-range models." "We have not been able to grow with the market in the United States and Europe, where our share has been very strong."

To be fair, they are still #1 in Europe, with 5 of the top selling 8 models, and I think they have over 40% of the "smartphone" market in Asia. But the RAZR was #1 in Europe last year by a huge margin, and according to the Q4-05 reports, they increased market share while actually reducing profits compared to the previous year, so that's not a long-term strategy for success.

In early February, Nokia issued a press release stating the U.S. was their TOP priority, per new CEO Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo. The analysts pointed out that the problems included Nokia's slowness to adopt clamshell (which they still haven't done well), and "To have a successful handset in the US a carrier distribution deal is necessary". So you're arguing with experienced analysts on that.

To try to make this happen, they tried to add CDMA to their stable with a deal with Sanyo. The deal was announced in February and fell apart in early summer.

And then they stated the same U.S. emphasis again in August, with Olli saying he would spend one week every month in the U.S. despite the U.S. being only 8.3% of Nokia revenue. This time analysts had the failed CDMA to point out, since half of U.S. cell users aren't even possible customers as a result.

Which looked really bad when the Q2 2006 numbers came out, because North America sales tanked, down 13.3% to just 5.2 million. They did do well internationally, but remember that much of that is in "emerging markets", which the board and investors consider relatively unimportant - hence the axing of the top dogs last year.

The ITC (International Trade Commission) is still investigating whether Nokia stole some Qualcomm trade secrets. This could result in some Nokia products being banned from major markets including the U.S.

I won't go into the huge numbers of delays and relatively lackluster releases of this year. Just realize that the new CEO publically turned the U.S. market into a Make-or-Break proposition for his job. And the failure at CDMA means that Cingular is pretty much essential to accomplish that task. While Cingular doesn't have any need for Nokia at all; they're doing fine, including with some virtual exclusives.

If you believe that Nokia can make a run of marquee stores in the U.S., you must have something signifantly stronger than dilithium crystals powering those denial shields!

Posted by: Viipottaja

Lol.. one of the funniest rants I've read in a while. Yes, they are not doing well in the US. But no, they are not doing bad at all in any other area of the world. Anyone who claims emerging markets are not hugely important is in denial.

A leading analyst at Forbes for one names Nokia as his top conservative stock to pick for 2007: http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2006/...-call-on-nokia/

Posted by: TechnoCat

When their outgoing CEO and their incoming CEO both make the biggest deal about the U.S., is it possible they know something you don't?

Besides, you should really read the headline of the page you link. It is, John Christy's contrarian call on Nokia.

A "contrarian" is somebody who goes against rational thought, experience and expectation, or, in short, the "conventional" wisdom. By quoting a "contrarian", you've sort-of made the point. Apparently even Forbes (as a whole, excluding the "contrarian") believes Nokia has lost its lustre.

Posted by: Topsales

Quote:

Originally Posted by ellroy

This is right on. LG and Samsung are pumping out 3g phones faster than Nokia can work up just one phone and the Nokia without HSDPA at that. IMO, as ellroy (and IHAP) stated, it better be Jan. or it is out of contention. Anyone with a more definite date yet?

I realize this phone looks like it is destined for Cingular, but how hard would it be for Nokia to change the 3g frequencies for T-mobile? Just playing devil's advocate.

Posted by: Viipottaja

I am not saying they are doing well in the US. Did I? And headlines are always meant to be eye catching. The point is Nokia has commanding lead in the global market and has regained its lead again in the last few quarters. Not bad. Actually, that is amazing given the tight competition. Again, I guess I need to repeat, they are doing bad in the US.

Posted by: TechnoCat

My point is, they aren't doing as well as their investors expected right now, nor do analysts believe they will turn that around in 2007. And the Nokia top dogs do not believe the emerging markets are as important as you seem to; they believe the U.S. is critical way beyond any second-place being relevant.

Keep in mind that Nokia has the highest average cell phone per-sale price in the industry. That means that while an average cell phone purchase is for $120 or so (that's roughly correct), the typical Nokia costs around $132. This is often considered a "good thing", because it means that Nokia is up-market, where the margins are higher. But that's not where they are in emerging markets, and it indicates an enormous mid-range gap due to the heavy presence in the entry level and emerging. (It does also signal that the S60 smart phone push is a success... but not here.) And they're vulnerable to low-priced competition in the emerging markets once they get in. This may explain how their international market share rose while their profits sank.

My primary point was that Nokia's flagship stores won't save them. They need Cingular, and they know it. And Cingular doesn't need them. Without Cingular, Olli will go down too, because he's made the U.S. his very public top priority and already failed at CDMA. And losing another CEO fast won't help Nokia either.

Posted by: SymbianBlack

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechnoCat

My point is, they aren't doing as well as their investors expected right now, nor do analysts believe they will turn that around in 2007. And the Nokia top dogs do not believe the emerging markets are as important as you seem to; they believe the U.S. is critical way beyond any second-place being relevant.

Keep in mind that Nokia has the highest average cell phone per-sale price in the industry. That means that while an average cell phone purchase is for $120 or so (that's roughly correct), the typical Nokia costs around $132. This is often considered a "good thing", because it means that Nokia is up-market, where the margins are higher. But that's not where they are in emerging markets, and it indicates an enormous mid-range gap due to the heavy presence in the entry level and emerging. (It does also signal that the S60 smart phone push is a success... but not here.) And they're vulnerable to low-priced competition in the emerging markets once they get in. This may explain how their international market share rose while their profits sank.

My primary point was that Nokia's flagship stores won't save them. They need Cingular, and they know it. And Cingular doesn't need them. Without Cingular, Olli will go down too, because he's made the U.S. his very public top priority and already failed at CDMA. And losing another CEO fast won't help Nokia either.

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Posted by: Viipottaja

Clearly, Nokia needs Cingular etc. And clearly, their CEOs is going to put a lot of emphasis on the US market - it is the market where they are doing worst (with the exception of Japan maybe)! That's a no brainer.

Globally they have a commanding lead, and have regained some of it in the last couple of quarters. Not bad at all. Amazing, actually, given the tough competition.

Anway, this thread is about N75 release date.

Posted by: kevmalek

You know, for all this talk, has anyone noticed that nokia has changed the expected availability from November to "Early 2007?" http://www.nseries.com/nseries/app/compare_n70-n93.html
Kev

Posted by: rpk113

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevmalek

You know, for all this talk, has anyone noticed that nokia has changed the expected availability from November to "Early 2007?" http://www.nseries.com/nseries/app/compare_n70-n93.html
Kev

But that site also has the N80 as coming soon...

Posted by: Rcadden

TechnoCat, I see your point, and hear you loud and clear. Here's what I envision (and it could be done, EASILY).

Nokia has tried to get 5 phones through Cingular this year. 6126, 6282, N80, E62, and now the N75. Of those, three were tested and cancelled, one is launched, and the other is not looking good. HOWEVER, ALSO of those, the 6126 was launched successfully in other parts of the world, as well as here in the US on T-mobile (as the 6133). The N80 is also successful in other parts of the world. The 6282 was pretty much made just for Cingular, as is the N75 (though I've heard that they're pitching it to Rogers, as well, who also picked up the E62.)

Point being, I don't think Nokia is the problem, I think it's Cingular.

SOMEONE in this country needs to *****-slap the carriers and start selling phones at retail. From my POV, only two companies are poised to do this, with Nokia being the better-situated of the two.

SE is the runner up, with the "Sony Style" stores all over the place, and great relationships with major retailers like Best Buy.

However, Nokia is BETTER poised.
1. They have 2 Flagship stores which dominate the press when they open and even dominate when they celebrate a one-year anniversary. The stores are simply magnificent, and you can buy anything in there.

2. They have somewhere around 20 Nokia Experience Centers. If you're not familiar, these are basically interactive billboards for Nokia products. However, they have, at least the two in Dallas, been poorly inventoried. But, nonetheless, they already have displays and a computer on hand. All that needs to be added is a cash drawer and some storage cabinets and they're all instant stores.

3. Nokia has something of a partnership with CompUSA to sell phones and other devices (GPS receivers and the 770). Bolstering this would not take much at all.

Thus Nokia has three available but under-utilized methods of bringing their devices to the masses. It wouldn't cost much in capital, most of their devices are FCC approved anyways. The only thing holding them back is this thin veil of hope that Cingular is going to carry one of their newer phones.

Sometime in the future, the carriers are going to have to give up on branding. It happened with the landlines, it'll happen with cellphones. Not too long ago, when you got your landline hooked up, Ol' Ma Bell also brought you your phone. When it broke, you called Southwestern Bell. Nowadays, you call any number of companies to get the hook up, then stroll over to walmart and pick out a phone.

The cellular industry is selling the EXACT SAME PRODUCT. Why should it remain any different? One company is going to have to start that, and I personally think that Nokia is the best poised to do so. And the first one to do it will struggle the most, but will also stand out the most.

Posted by: I have a phone

dood, Cingular did not test the N80, consider it stillborn.

And the way Nokia mobile is operating these days they should be booted by cingular. The product sucks, the support sucks, and the delays getting devices to cingular sucks.
It's really simple: Nokia can't (or refuses?) to follow the directions of the operator

Posted by: illmatic416

IHAP, any updates on the phone? Should we be looking forward to buying that unlocked 6290, if this N75 ends up being scrapped? I remember when you broke my heart about the N80 last year...

Posted by: I have a phone

I wouldn't use the word scrapped. My understanding is that it's still on the plate. Buggy and delayed but still there

Posted by: bella172

RCADDEN!!!! U R MY HERO!!!!! What you said, makes PERFECT sense!!! I have a unlocked 6230i and I STILL LOVE that phone!!! If Cingular has another stupid moment and doesn't release this phone, I would totally buy a unlocked N75. I think Nokia would completely benefit from asking you for ideas and advice. The Nokia Experience Stores could become retail points and Nokia could open some more stores in other states. My hat is off to you and Happy New Year!

Posted by: .7

Dude when is this thing getting released for hells sake??

I really dont know, but when I played around with one it really makes me want to try it out. WIth the E62 running symbian as well I wouldnt think they were worlds apart with approval but maybe they are.

Posted by: TechnoCat

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Originally Posted by Rcadden

Nokia has tried to get 5 phones through Cingular this year. 6126, 6282, N80, E62, and now the N75. Of those, three were tested and cancelled, one is launched, and the other is not looking good.

From everything I've heard, testing of the N75 went extremely poorly. Can't blame Cingular for that. And I can see why Cingular wouldn't wind up carrying the 6126 when the Sync does essentially the same stuff and more in a sexier package for less money. Don't get me wrong - I very strongly looked at getting a 6131 (unlocked), but it is not a sexy phone at all compared to KRZR or Sync and doesn't add any functionalty that I can think of to either. Plus the 6126/6131 are reknown now for dreadfully short battery life.

Cingular doesn't pretend to carry every phone. They seem to try to carry a variety of phones, but not all phones in a single niche. For Nokia to get picked up by them, it must produce a solid working (a current weakness for Nokia) sexy (a longer-term weakness for Nokia) phone with cutting-edge features that the Samsung/LG/S-E phones lack. They aren't doing that.

Release dates matter. While Nokia slowly tries to get the N75 out, the other companies are probably perfecting similar-but-sexier phones. If the N75 had been released a year ago, beating the Sync, KRZR, etc., it would have been a winner. If it slips to June and then comes out... it will be an also-ran. And if you have to travel to a Nokia store and pay $400 for it when a $100 Sync does most of the same stuff in a sleeker body... I don't believe even you would buy it.

Posted by: Viipottaja

So what was it exactly that went so terribly wrong in N75 tests by Cingular? Where did you hear it from? Nokia is able to churn out a number of S60 phones everywhere else, why would they be so "slow" in getting the N75 out?

Not everyone even in the US

is as retarded

as not to appreciate the difference between a feature phone and a smartphone/symbian. Therefore, I would think there is a nieche that N75 would fit nicely and that is not catered for with Cingular's current line up.

Posted by: Nokoman

Hey Everyone, I've been reading this forum for a few weeks now as I await the release of the N75. I am by no means an expert on mobile phones but I was thinking; Wouldn't it be strange for Nokia to post a website touting the N75s 3G abilities via the Cingular network on it's official website (http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N75/) if the phone may not even be coming to Cingular? In my mind, this webpage offers some proof that the phone will be coming to Cingular soon.

Posted by: nyyankees

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Originally Posted by Nokoman

Hey Everyone, I've been reading this forum for a few weeks now as I await the release of the N75. I am by no means an expert on mobile phones but I was thinking; Wouldn't it be strange for Nokia to post a website touting the N75s 3G abilities via the Cingular network on it's official website (http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/N75/) if the phone may not even be coming to Cingular? In my mind, this webpage offers some proof that the phone will be coming to Cingular soon.

although the presence of that webpage is somewhat of a good sign, you have to remember that they did the same thing with the N80 and cingular. however, the n80 never panned out, so it is by no means a guarantee.

Posted by: TechnoCat

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Originally Posted by Viipottaja

So what was it exactly that went so terribly wrong in N75 tests by Cingular?

My data is not definitive; I've heard from two people who had hands-on. But I heard it locked up a lot and some functionality was slow or missing. The lock ups would be more important. I didn't delve in, because my concern wasn't "what's wrong" but rather was, "When will it be here?"

I agree that it should fill an important niche. But it's not the only candidate to fill that niche, and if it delays further, it won't make the cut. As for why they can't get this Series 60 phone out, you assume the O.S. is (1) stable and (2) the only complexity. If they added features - for example, to continue to try to be technologically competitive - they have sources for bugs. If they had to change components or layout - for example, because this is a smaller Series 60 clamshell than any previous and the older components didn't fit, or even to try to regain some battery life - the drivers would have to change.

I do embedded software and electronics for a living. It always seems so simple to people who think it's just electronic legos and tinkertoys. But even something as seemingly-trivial as a new form-factor with all the same components requires a whole new board layout, which often results in missed connections, EMI, timing problems and heat dissapation woes.

Again, I do agree that the N75 could fill an important niche. It would match the niche I want. I want an N75. But only if it works and if it comes out before something else better than it does, at a decent or subsidized price. And there are a lot more pragmatic consumers like me than there are Nokia fan-boys who will spend an extra $200 for the same functionality from an unlocked Nokia than from a subsized-and-sexier Samsung.

Posted by: nyyankees

one cingular rep told me that there are no phones scheduled to be released in the month of january.

isnt this ludicrous?

also, does anybody know if the N75 appears on the upcoming rebate sheet for january? and if so, what is the rebate?

Posted by: Viipottaja

Good point, it is now about software/OS only.

N75 does a lot more than a subsidized and uglier/plasticy/"thin is so freaking cool" Samsung..

A lot of the release date could easily also be about Cingular's own preference in terms of timing of various offerings. They are now fairly aggressively marketing E62 and a few Samsungs and maybe did not want to spread their offering too "thin" by adding N75 as well to the mix?

Posted by: TechnoCat

The two guys that told me the phone was locking up were in mid-December. I knew then that it wouldn't make the year. (You can see my past posts on that.) There just wasn't time to fix the issues, retest, get into distribution and to the stores. So the missing of December wasn't Cingular's choice. I'm sure they'd rather have as big a holiday selection as possible.

But you're probably right that now they'll take their own sweet time. Which is a pity because I'm eager for an N75 too.

Posted by: Deadman64

So...what am I supposed to do with my SYNC if my 30 days is up on January 6th? Does anyone have any ideas for me? I'm going to a cingular store soon to see if I work up a deal to get the N75 [or any info on it] even though it seems it won't be out in my 30 days. help!

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by TechnoCat

I wouldn't call the Moto or Samsung similar phones. Not even close. I am holding the N75 in my hand right now and it is just as or more so a better looking phone than either previously mentioned phones from Moto or Samsung. Series 60 being compared to the two "non smartphones" is a joke. No comparison. The screen on the N75 is far superior as is the outer screen, OS(last I checked the Moto and Samsung are not smartphones).

Build quality is far superior. RF is superior, Nokia is the king of RF, period. And anyone who has owned them knows this. Camera is superior to the Samsung despite the fact that the two of them are both 2 megapixel. The nokia uses a better lens. The stereo speakers on this phone are LOUD! Just as much as the LG Cu500 maybe even louder. I have used the N75 and the A707 and there is really no comparison. UMTS compared to HSDPA is a non issure for me since I don't tether and data on a phone is so small it is not noticeable. I am getting on average between 330 and 350kps, mostly around 350kps. Plenty fast enough. And the " most consumers don't know about how much better the OS and features are compared to the Samsung and MOto don't hold water." We are talking about which is the better phone, and that is the Nokia.

Weather or not your average joe sees the Nokia for 200 and the Samsung for 50, does not matter in the least. Once released the N75 will be the only 3g clamshell smartphone in the USA. The samsung and Moto cannot make that statement.

My marketing manager usually has the phone for testing and he states that the phone is locking up a bit, other than that, is is working beautifully. Some of the software needs to be finalized and bugs need to be worked out apprently, but since we are not engineers I don't think that we would know what the phone needed or not, just a observation.

Hopefully Cingular and Nokia will get their act together to release this phone, because you guy's don't know what you are missing.

Posted by: sethdavidsdad

Thanks for the post iamthedudeman! That makes up my mind, I was thinking of trading my blackjack for the 3125. Now I going to wait for the N75. Just as I did for the N80

I have been waiting for 2 years for Nokia to come back with a good phone on cing.

Posted by: Deadman64

so iamthedude, you have no idea of when we will see it? Jan.?

Posted by: I have a phone

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Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Build quality is far superior. RF is superior, Nokia is the king of RF, period. And anyone who has owned them knows this. Camera is superior to the Samsung.

Having used this mobile quite a bit I have to disagree with all these points.

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

he states that the phone is locking up a bit, other than that, is is working beautifully.

wouldn't you think this to be a major problem?

Posted by: TechnoCat

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Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

I wouldn't call the Moto or Samsung similar phones. Not even close. <snip>The screen on the N75 is far superior as is the outer screen, <snip>
Build quality is far superior. RF is superior, Nokia is the king of RF, period.

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Once released the N75 will be the only 3g clamshell smartphone in the USA. The samsung and Moto cannot make that statement.

And this impacts the typical user of pre-3G networks how?

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

My marketing manager usually has the phone for testing and he states that the phone is locking up a bit, other than that, is is working beautifully. Some of the software needs to be finalized and bugs need to be worked out apprently, but since we are not engineers I don't think that we would know what the phone needed or not, just a observation.

"Locking Up" falls into the category of "a bad thing". But perhaps some of the other readers here will at least understand that it's a widespread problem. If it's still locking up, the release delay is not Cingular's fault.

Posted by: amheck

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechnoCat

i'm sure cingy's firmware has no play in that....

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by Deadman64

so iamthedude, you have no idea of when we will see it? Jan.?

I was told Jan, like everyone else. So no. I really don't want to speculate. For comparison, I got the Blackberry Pearl 4 weeks before it came out, and it came out on time like they told me, so who knows. My firm just getting the phone, is a indication that it is going to be released, because it was not going to be released, most of the time I would not get anything. But I got a N80 Cingular branded and it was not released, so who knows.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

Having used this mobile quite a bit I have to disagree with all these points.

wouldn't you think this to be a major problem?

Hey, everyone has different opinions different strokes for different folks. To me build quality is far superior to the A707 and Motos. The Razr is a good built phone, but other than that, their consistentcy is not on par with Nokia. HTC is the only other company I consider to be on par to Nokia, or close to it.

I get quite a bit of phones in and out of our office over the years and the Nokia's in my opinion are of a higher quality, as is lately the HTC phones. I consider LG and Samsung in quality below Nokia, and I would have to put Moto as far as build quality above LG and Samsung, but below Nokia and HTC. this is of coarse is just my opinion.

I have compared the two, A707 and N75 and maybe it is just the better quality screen on the N75, who knows. I am not a engineer and don't pretend to be. To me the pictures look much better. RF on the Nokia in my opinion is superior, my office is in the middle of our floor almost and I get a signal, I did not get one with the Samsung A707 when I had it. The stereo speakers are very, very loud on the N75, comparable to the LG Cu500, maybe better. I liked the A707 alot, great phone. But the N75 to me is in a whole different class. Far superior. Having used both, they are not even comparable. The best comparison would be comparing a Toyota to a Mercedes, Toyata is a good car, but not in the same class as a Mercedes.

Yes it is a major problem, hence the delay in the phones release. But other than that, this is a great phone. The software can be fixed, I am talking about the hardware. Build quality, and the materials used in making the phone. The S60 OS when properly utilized is the best OS for smartphones on the market today, again, just my opinion.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by TechnoCat

Yes, the N75 (and most current Nokias) have the best displays now. But no, they don't in my experience have particularly good RF. I've had quite a few Nokias. It seems to vary more by model than by brand.

But for a phone to be a success, it also has to have advantages to the consumer. 3G isn't widespread in the
And this impacts the typical user of pre-3G networks how?
"Locking Up" falls into the category of "a bad thing". But perhaps some of the other readers here will at least understand that it's a widespread problem. If it's still locking up, the release delay is not Cingular's fault.

Like I said, I have quite a few phones come through our offices over the years, and the Nokia's usually have the best RF, I actually get a signal in my office, and my office is almost in the middle of the building. I can't say the same for most other phones. Sure all phone manufactures make phones with good RF usually depends on the model. But the Nokia's are more consistent with their performance with the RF as opposed to most manufactures. Now not all the Nokia's don't have good RF, but most do. And t