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Posted by: my2kidsmom

I recently got the v3m from Alltel and here is what I need to know. (I've read and searched and have gotten overwhelmed--feeling a bit retarded now)
First, I want to make my own ringtones. I've found a bunch of sites with software to download that lets you do this...example is audacity (freeware). Is this, or something like this what I need to use?

I know I'll need a usb cable, which I don't have right now and don't exactly know what kind/size to get...I figure I can figure that out at Radio Shack...unless you have a better plan.

Next, would I even need Moto Phone Tools to do what I want to do? What about putting some MP3's on the phone. Is there other softward to use or do I just plug up the usb cable and transfer the mp3 files to the phone.

Thanks for any help.

Pam

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by my2kidsmom

I recently got the v3m from Alltel and here is what I need to know. (I've read and searched and have gotten overwhelmed--feeling a bit retarded now)
First, I want to make my own ringtones. I've found a bunch of sites with software to download that lets you do this...example is audacity (freeware). Is this, or something like this what I need to use?

any audio editor that can "export" or "Save as..." Mp3 files (preferably Mpeg 1.0/Layer 3) will work.. Suggested encoding settings are 48kbit/44khz/mono, or 64kbit/44khz/mono

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Originally Posted by my2kidsmom

I know I'll need a usb cable, which I don't have right now and don't exactly know what kind/size to get...I figure I can figure that out at Radio Shack...unless you have a better plan.

It uses a standard USB A to Mini-B 5pin cable. Same found on Sony PSP, many digital cameras, some portable/compact 2.5" USB hard drives, etc...

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Originally Posted by my2kidsmom

Next, would I even need Moto Phone Tools to do what I want to do? What about putting some MP3's on the phone. Is there other softward to use or do I just plug up the usb cable and transfer the mp3 files to the phone.

Moto phone tools would work great.

You can also use BitPim (freeware)... Since your V3M is Alltel, you can use the GUI to ADD ring tones, pictures, etc to the phone... However you have to manually configure Bitpim, telling it your phone is a V3CM...

Posted by: my2kidsmom

Whew...after days of reading, I'm probably more retarded!
I got the mini USB, hooked it up, downloaded drivers, got the PC to recognize my phone as a Moto modem (I think this is right). Got audacity and made a ringtone, got Bitpim and got it to recognize my v3m, got the ringtone on bitpim and got ready to send it to my phone.

However, it looks like Bitpim is telling me this one ringtone will REPLACE ALL other ringtones on my phone! It does not give me the option to ADD (it is grayed out). Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Pam

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by my2kidsmom

However, it looks like Bitpim is telling me this one ringtone will REPLACE ALL other ringtones on my phone! It does not give me the option to ADD (it is grayed out). Any suggestions?

You're doing good so far...

Yeah, when you "GET PHONE DATA" bitpim seems to read EVERY ring tone from the phone to the PC.. when using the GUI and SEND PHONE DATA, you do have the option for ADD...

Some references for ya...

See -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/V710_BitPim.htm
and -> http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=951849

but remember when reading those... consider your phone as a V3Cm/V3Mm because you have Alltel, not verizon... (i.e. when it talks about needing a Seem Edit... that is already done on Alltel Phones, but Verizon user's MUST do it)

Posted by: my2kidsmom

OK, now my brain really hurts. Nice site (BTW) I've been there several times before reading your post here trying to figure this out.

When I click on Send Phone Data, it does not give me the option to add (it is disabled). It only give sme the option of replace all.

When I click on Get Phone Data, it gives options to add or replace for phonebook and SMS and the rest are for Replace All only. (A few are actually disabled). I haven't put data from my phone to bitpim yet.

What do I need to do with this? Do I have to put the ringers from my phone to the pc and then turn around and all the all back to the phone with the new ones? What about the fact that when I click on Get Phone Data, the ringtone section if to Replace All (which doesn't make a whole lot of sense for getting the data from the phone to the pc.)?

Thanks

Posted by: Mark_Venture

In BitPim... do you have it set for V3CM?

I'm using BitPim v9.08... I just did it with my V3C...

Click Get Phone Data button... For ring tones, I have only REPLACE ALL... it reads ALL of them off the phone into bitpim...

remember.. bitpim retains that data, even with the phone disconnected.. so by doing replace all (those on the PC), I guess it helps it know when you ADD what's new and has to be written to the phone??

Once I drag/drop new tone onto BitPim... I then use Send Phone Data button... for ring tones I have choice to ADD or REPLACE...

Posted by: my2kidsmom

Ok, got that problem fixed. (I had set it vor v3c...changed it to v3cm....either way, the phone is communicating with bitpim as v3m). That change did give me the add option.

Now...(this is really making me crazy)...I went to Get Phone Data and got the Device Needs Attention error. I had previously installed drivers and thought that might be the problem. So, I got the drivers you suggest (DriverTool-421a.exe) and it downloaded, etc. That didn't help. I think I'm stuck

Posted by: a1b2c3d4e5

You should use the drivers from Motodev -- not DriverTool.

Posted by: my2kidsmom

Where do I find that driver?

Posted by: my2kidsmom

Nevermind...found it...got it...did it....It Worked!!!! You guys ROCK!!!!
I'm not retarded anymore

If I can figure this out, anyone can!!!

Now, how to I get my pics from my camera to my pc....I'm off to figure that out :0

Thanks a million!!!!

Posted by: my2kidsmom

That took all of a few seconds...Bitpim is the bomb!!! Now my pics are on my pc!Thanks again!!

Posted by: ARenaissanceMan

So my sister got a Pink Razr V3M a little while back and asked me to put ringtones on it for her. I've gone throught the process before with my VX-4500 so I had a good idea as to what I was getting into.

I found a data cable that came with drivers and whatnot and bought it. I hooked it up and none of the drivers on the CD worked. I contacted the vendor and they sent me links to DriverTool and Motorola Phone Tools. After downloading the first, the phone was recognized but only as a modem. Looking at it in BitPim 0.9.09 as both a V3C and V3CM, I get errors about being unable to work with the filesystem.

I downloaded all the drivers at MotoX.info and tried manually configuring the cable to work with them to no avail. I tried cleaning and updating my drivers with the Motorola Driver Installation. Then I got ahold of Motorola Explorer and it won't even detect the phone.

I think my primary issue is the fact that it automatically detects the phone as a modem on plugin. Unless it's supposed to do that and BitPim can reconfigure the way the system looks at the phone.

The vendor has been less than helpful so I throw myself upon the mercy of the wise Howard Forums visitors. Many pre-emptive thanks.

Posted by: my2kidsmom

I am certainly not the guru that Mark is, but this is what worked for me...if I can retrace my steps...

Quote:

got the PC to recognize my phone as a Moto modem

Yes, the phone should be detected as a Motorola modem.

Quote:

(I had set it vor v3c...changed it to v3cm....either way, the phone is communicating with bitpim as v3m).

This worked for me with bitpim. I set the phone to v3cm. When I click on the blue "i" button, my phone beeps and the bitpim reads my phone as v3m.

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You should use the drivers from Motodev

I googled Motodev and found the site, registered, found the section for tools, etc and downloaded the drivers. Then I rebooted my system, plugged up my phone, and everything worked beautifully using these drivers.

Good luck!

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by my2kidsmom

...but this is what worked for me...if I can retrace my steps...

You forgot to mention that you are on Alltel...

Verizon users MUST seem edited their phone! that is important... without that.. BitPim's GUI can not ADD to the phone... Alltel phones already have this seem edit done...

MotoDev's web site for drivers -> http://developer.motorola.com/docstools/USB_Drivers/ they are a FREE Download...

Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by ARenaissanceMan

I think my primary issue is the fact that it automatically detects the phone as a modem on plugin. Unless it's supposed to do that and BitPim can reconfigure the way the system looks at the phone.

The vendor has been less than helpful so I throw myself upon the mercy of the wise Howard Forums visitors. Many pre-emptive thanks.

You'll want to use the MotoDev drivers, they are the latest... Download at -> http://developer.motorola.com/docstools/USB_Drivers/

Then, Forget everything you know about using BitPim with your LG... its not exactly the same for the Moto's...

You'll want to read -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/V710_BitPim.htm and remember the Stock "fresh out of the box" Verizon V3M is not the same as a V3Mm...

You'll see that there are things the V3Mm is capable of, that the V3M is not....

Verizon "toggles a bit" in a config file (seem file) on the phone which disables a feature on the phone itself... (this is where seem edits come in)... This is what makes the difference between V3M and V3Mm... With that bit disabled on the phone, BitPim can't be used to its full potential like it can be for my2kidsmom's alltel V3M... (the Alltel V3M has that bit enabled "out of the box" so its considered a V3Mm)...

This bit/seem edit also has an impact on using Moto Phone Tools to its full potential...

Posted by: a1b2c3d4e5

Mark, you should probably update your web site to reference the 2.6.2 Motodev drivers...it seems a lot of people refer to it. No sense in confusing them about the various flavors of usbser.sys any more..

Posted by: ARenaissanceMan

So, with the guide's help, I managed to get ahold of the drivers, run DriverTool, connect the Razr and have it recognize the filesystem. The filesystem expands and I tried to add a New File to the mmc1 directory, in this case rocketscience.mp3. It comes up with an error that means absolutely nothing to me and gives me the option to continue or abort BitPim. Here's the error:
<BEGIN ERROR>===============================
BitPim version: 0.9.09-official
An unexpected exception has occurred.
Please see the help for details on what to do.

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui.pyo", line 276, in run
File "gui.pyo", line 153, in __call__
File "gui.pyo", line 2049, in writefile
File "phones\com_brew.pyo", line 566, in writefile
File "phones\com_brew.pyo", line 781, in sendbrewcommand
BrewCommandException: Brew Error 0x1e

Variables by last 8 frames, innermost last

Frame __bootstrap in threading.pyo at line 442
self = <WorkerThread(BitPim helper, started daemon)>

Frame run in gui.pyo at line 269
e = <phones.com_brew.BrewCommandException instance at 0x044A58C8>
res = None
self = <WorkerThread(BitPim helper, started daemon)>
item = (<gui.Request instance at 0x044A5508>, <gui.Callback instance at 0x044A5670>)
call = <gui.Request instance at 0x044A5508>
ex = <phones.com_brew.BrewCommandException instance at 0x044A58C8>
resultcb = <gui.Callback instance at 0x044A5670>
first = 0

Frame __call__ in gui.pyo at line 153
self = <gui.Request instance at 0x044A5508>
args = ()
d = Keys []
{}
kwargs = Keys []
{}

Frame writefile in gui.pyo at line 2049
path = u'mmc1/austinphone.wav'
self = <WorkerThread(BitPim helper, started daemon)>
contents = 'RIFFnW\x00\x00WAVEfmt \x10\x00\x00\x00\x01\x00\x01\x00\x11+\x00\x00\x11+ \x00\x0

Frame writefile in phones\com_brew.pyo at line 566
name = u'mmc1/austinphone.wav'
self = <phones.com_motov3c.Phone instance at 0x044A5760>
req = <phones.p_brew.writefilerequest object at 0x04493F70>
start = 1167345613.2030001
contents = 'RIFFnW\x00\x00WAVEfmt \x10\x00\x00\x00\x01\x00\x01\x00\x11+\x00\x00\x11+ \x00\x0
desc = u'Writing mmc1/austinphone.wav'

Frame sendbrewcommand in phones\com_brew.pyo at line 781
origdata = 'Y\x05\x1e\x00\x97\xe6~'
err = 30
responseclass = <class 'phones.p_brew.responseheader'>
buffer = <prototypes.buffer instance at 0x044A5788>
calccrc = '\x97\xe6'
callsetmode = True
request = <phones.p_brew.writefilerequest object at 0x04493F70>
firsttwo = 'Y\x05'
crc = '\x97\xe6'
data = 'Y\x05\x1e\x00'
self = <phones.com_motov3c.Phone instance at 0x044A5760>
d = -1

<END OF ERROR>========================

The good news is that it's recognized by BitPim. The bad news is that I can't read Greek.

Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:

Originally Posted by a1b2c3d4e5

Mark, you should probably update your web site to reference the 2.6.2 Motodev drivers...it seems a lot of people refer to it. No sense in confusing them about the various flavors of usbser.sys any more..

its on my TO DO list

Posted by: jkendoism

hey, new to the howard forums but not to vboards. anyway, my pops jus got a v3 nd i was wondering the same thing as everyone else. how does one get mp3s from the computer to the phone? i have a usb cord from my sony camera which i understand woul work, and i was about follow the instrutions mark gave earlier but as i understand it only applied to alltel phones. i live in hawaii nd so my pops fone is sprint. so i was wondering if there are any differences. help!

Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkendoism

hey, new to the howard forums but not to vboards. anyway, my pops jus got a v3 nd i was wondering the same thing as everyone else. how does one get mp3s from the computer to the phone? i have a usb cord from my sony camera which i understand woul work, and i was about follow the instrutions mark gave earlier but as i understand it only applied to alltel phones. i live in hawaii nd so my pops fone is sprint. so i was wondering if there are any differences. help!

V3? as in GSM phone (like T-Mobile or Cingular)? or is it a CDMA Razr from Alltel, Verizon, Sprint?

there is a difference...

As long as your carrier is NOT verizon... your best bet is Moto Phone Tools.

If verizon.. then "hack" (aka seem edit) your phone, then make use of MPT...

If its a CDMA phone (like alltel, verizon, etc).. then you can make use of BitPim...

Posted by: ARenaissanceMan

Okay, I had a very complete and useful reply typed and I apparently didn't submit it here because it didn't show up. >_<

Anyway, I went through the incredibly-helpful guide and got the drivers and DriverTool. I got the phone to show up in BitPim and to navigate the filesystem according to the guide. I right-click on mmc1 and tell it that I want a new file. I select the file (in this case, rocketscience.mp3) and it throws an exception that I had copied in but, since it's my sister's phone, I can't replicate at this time. My options are to Abort BitPim or Continue. Neither does much of anything and the ringer does not show in the filesystem.

This has got to be right in front of me and I'm going to do a huge Facepalm once someone points it out.

Posted by: Mark_Venture

MMC1 is the transflash card.. if you have one inserted into the phone...

When using BitPim to write to the TF card in my E815.. it was unpredicatble at best. i.e. sometimes worked, but many times didn't...

when writing to the TF card, your best best (for speed and stability) is to take the TF out of the phone, and put it in a memory card reader attached to the PC... then drag/drop...

Also, remember the DEFAULT location for files on the TF card in the VERIZON V3M is the ROOT... this presents additional problems as the card is formatted as FAT by default so there is a limit to the number of ROOT Directory Entries... and while FAT32 "works" (formatted via Windows PC) it too is unpredicatble...

Item #35 of the HOW TO's at http://mark.cdmaforums.com takes you to -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/V3M-DefaultLocs.htm which better explains, and offers a work around...

Also, Please try the NEW MOTODEV DRIVERS... instead of BVRP's driver tool... see also -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/1-USBDriver.htm

Posted by: ARenaissanceMan

Okay, if you didn't realize my status as a newbie, you know now. I'm working sans-transflash and this is probably a good reason I was getting an error when trying to write to it.

First matter of business of installing the MOTODEV drivers is done and done.

I've found that I can write to the filesystem, just not to the motorola/shared/audio directory where the ringers are stored. I'm working under the impression that this block is put on by Verizon to prevent activities of the sort I'm attempting. Like I said, I can write to the filesystem (e.g. to motorola/shared/ringtone) but can't use the files I transfer for anything since I can't find them via the phone itself.

Sorry for not being as clear as I should be.

Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARenaissanceMan

I've found that I can write to the filesystem, just not to the motorola/shared/audio directory where the ringers are stored. I'm working under the impression that this block is put on by Verizon to prevent activities of the sort I'm attempting. Like I said, I can write to the filesystem (e.g. to motorola/shared/ringtone) but can't use the files I transfer for anything since I can't find them via the phone itself.

Sorry for not being as clear as I should be.

Like I posted earlier... read -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/V710_BitPim.htm

And keep in mind... a Verizon V3M is not the same as a V3Mm... (this is an important distinction)

It tells you what you can and can't do (including mention of "this file is locked by provider" message).. and what is needed to make use of BitPim's GUI to ADD tones (seem edit)...