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Does Nokia have money problems?
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Posted by: threean2

During a conversation that I had with a Nokia tech I was told that Nokia is farming out phone manufacturing and the Nokia name gets stamped on!

Is Nokia in trouble?

Posted by: Baldilocks

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Originally Posted by threean2

During a conversation that I had with a Nokia tech I was told that Nokia is farming out phone manufacturing and the Nokia name gets stamped on!

Is Nokia in trouble?

Nokia has often farmed out some of its manufacturing to companies like Pantech to produce CDMA handsets. Verizon currently sells 2 "Nokia's" that arent really Nokia's.
In my opinion they are junk.

Your 6015i is actually made and produced by Nokia.. so you're good.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Here are the current "fake" Nokia's from Verizon.
Yes.. they use the Verizon UI...

Nokia 6215i

Nokia 6315i

Posted by: threean2

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Originally Posted by Baldilocks

Not quite....The two 6015's that I have can't dial out because the keypads malfunction. Nokia's not replacing them again even though they anknowledge a problem with the keypads and the screens. I've had 6 bad ones. I lost my liking for Nokia products because of this.

Posted by: Baldilocks

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Originally Posted by threean2

I dunno. I'm anxious to get my hands on the N75. Looks like it will be a great handset for GSM and AT&T.

Posted by: friedbrains

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Originally Posted by threean2

During a conversation that I had with a Nokia tech I was told that Nokia is farming out phone manufacturing and the Nokia name gets stamped on!

Is Nokia in trouble?

everybody does it... its called OEM...

Posted by: FL1134

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Originally Posted by Baldilocks

Here are the current "fake" Nokia's from Verizon.
Yes.. they use the Verizon UI...

Nokia 6215i

Nokia 6315i

6305i is another rebadge.

Posted by: FL1134

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Originally Posted by friedbrains

everybody does it... its called OEM...

If they rebadged all their GSM offerings you would call it something else.

Posted by: Baldilocks

OEM just means Original Equipment Manufacturer.. has nothing to do with farming out production.

If i buy an OEM part for my Corvette, it better be a GM part and not a Napa part.

Posted by: threean2

But what bothers me is that Nokia has the attitude that because I've used these phones for a year and a half it's time for me to pay the piper again.

Minus the key pad malfunction I was content (ignorance is bliss) with these bare bone phones. They served my purposes well....fairly small, thin, and good battery life. Cosmetically both of them look like new. As a matter of fact when the first 2 were replaced the rep asked me if they were ever used after he took a look at them.

I guess that Nokia does not want their phones to last....They want them to break after the warrantee ends so you have to purchase a new one!

Mercedes Benz, one of the last of the stable companies........ now they will no longer be the same!

Posted by: romeo26

to tell you the truth nokia has no interest in cdma phones anymore!! gsm is were the money's at. so i guess there working to put out better gsm phones then cdma!!

Posted by: Baldilocks

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to tell you the truth nokia has no interest in cdma phones anymore!! gsm is were the money's at. so i guess there working to put out better gsm phones then cdma!!

True.. but there are still over 100 million CDMA customers in just the US alone.
Thats a little more than pocket change.

Posted by: threean2

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Originally Posted by Baldilocks

True.. but there are still over 100 million CDMA customers in just the US alone.
Thats a little more than pocket change.

But there are more GSM phones sold than CDMA phones. Maybe I'm wrong about this but I think most Verizon customers have but one phone to use while most GSM customers have 2 or more because of the ability to change phones with the flip of the sim card.

Posted by: hartphoto

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Originally Posted by threean2

But what bothers me is that Nokia has the attitude that because I've used these phones for a year and a half it's time for me to pay the piper again.

I guess that Nokia does not want their phones to last....They want them to break after the warrantee ends so you have to purchase a new one!

Mercedes Benz, one of the last of the stable companies........ now they will no longer be the same!

Planned obsolescence is prevalent in most every industry (whether this happens via technology or otherwise). The same goes for companies outsourcing production. With the two mixed, it can be no fun for the customer.

Posted by: alphatrauma

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Originally Posted by threean2

But there are more GSM phones sold than CDMA phones. Maybe I'm wrong about this but I think most Verizon customers have but one phone to use while most GSM customers have 2 or more because of the ability to change phones with the flip of the sim card.

Bingo!!!

Posted by: threean2

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Originally Posted by alphatrauma

Bingo!!!

I stay with Verizon because of the reception that I get. I also have access to Cingular and Nextel. I can only honestly only comment on what I see, or I should say hear in my area where I'm using a cell phone.

Nextel has the best sounding reception regardless of the model phone used but the connection does drop at times and there are area's where there is no service at all.

Cingular has the worst sounding reception (sorry cingular lovers !!) and I have, regardless of what their motto says " The least amount of dropped calls", experienced dropped calls on a regular basis. My kids like Cingular because of the sim card swap and overlook the lack of quality. And a very important misconception about roll over minutes.....Just found out that the minutes that are saved over the year can Not be rolled over to a new contract. I think that there are many consumers that think that the second year they can purchase a less expensive plan to use their save minutes. Not So...when the contract ends so does your saved roll over minutes!!

And last, But I rate as the best is Verizon. Has a good signal and I can't remember the last time that I dropped a call. Their available phones do leave something to be desired, But when you want to reach customer service you can with a very little wait, not like the 45 minute wait with Nextel or Cingular.
The biggest fault that I have with Verizon is that they appear to be part Communist the way they control the phones and optional services. Sim card Phones would be a excellent start.... and so would a perfected Push to Talk......Come-On Verizon....You would sell many more phones.....Correct a few flaws and with your quality of service you could take over the world!!!!Ha! Ha! Ha!

:clapping

Posted by: alphatrauma

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Originally Posted by threean2

:clapping

Maybe I'm missing something...but does anything in your response even remotely relate to the original topic

Posted by: threean2

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Originally Posted by alphatrauma

Maybe I'm missing something...but does anything in your response even remotely relate to the original topic

Good point !!! No it doesn't!!! Take me so long to type (2 fingers and slow) I forget the topic!!!

Posted by: Moderator HF 25

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Originally Posted by threean2

But what bothers me is that Nokia has the attitude that because I've used these phones for a year and a half it's time for me to pay the piper again.

Minus the key pad malfunction I was content (ignorance is bliss) with these bare bone phones. They served my purposes well....fairly small, thin, and good battery life. Cosmetically both of them look like new. As a matter of fact when the first 2 were replaced the rep asked me if they were ever used after he took a look at them.

I guess that Nokia does not want their phones to last....They want them to break after the warrantee ends so you have to purchase a new one!

Mercedes Benz, one of the last of the stable companies........ now they will no longer be the same!

I've a 6015i too but don't have your problem. For manufacturer rants, we've always got a manufacturer rant forum. This thread's now moved there.

Posted by: JonnyBruha

I don't understand the logic behind what you want Nokia to do for you. You've had the phones for over a year, which is beyond the warranty period. After this amount of time, the phones' screen and keypads malfunction and you want Nokia to fix it. Is that correct? Did you experience this problem prior to the warranty expiring? Unless you have, I don't understand that logic at all. Do you want Sony to replace your flat screen TV in 2 years because the picture quality has gone down? What other company guarantees their electronics beyond a set time frame of a few years, much less provide a free warranty for that time frame? I'm not trying to bash at all, I really just don't understand where you're coming from.

Off topic: Rollover minutes have always been a scam. If you have a 1000 minute plan, but you never use more than 600 minutes, then you earn your 400 rollover minutes each month. But when will you ever use them if you never use more than 600 minutes? And even if you do start to consistently go over your 1000 minutes, wouldn't you then buy another plan to accommodate your usage? The only use rollover minutes has is for people that have very sporadic usage or for those random months when a million events are happening at once and people need to use thousands of minutes.

Posted by: mch

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Originally Posted by threean2

During a conversation that I had with a Nokia tech I was told that Nokia is farming out phone manufacturing and the Nokia name gets stamped on!

Is Nokia in trouble?

For what I suspect are some pretty sound business reasons, Nokia farmed out its North American CDMA phone business.

Much of this probably had to do with the fact that Nokia has had a rocky relationship with some of the CDMA carriers and with Qualcomm. The issues with Qualcomm mostly involve intellectual property disputes around the various Qualcomm U.S. patents. The U.S. can be a very unfriendly place to do business - things seem to come down to endless very expensive legal disputes on a very regular basis.

If Nokia couldn't make a profit in the U.S. CDMA market, then farming out the business was a very reasonable thing to do. Like any business, they need to look at potential markets, and try to determine if they are worth the investment. I wouldn't read anything more into it than that - the U.S. CDMA2000/EV-DO market was a small proportion of Nokia's overall handset business. It may have also been a tactical move in the ongoing legal dispute with Qualcomm.

We can speculate given what public knowledge there is, but we'll probably never know the business reasons and analysis that went into the decision. SonyEricsson also pulled out of the U.S. CDMA market completely within the last couple of years.

Posted by: Baldilocks

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Originally Posted by threean2

I had 2 Verizon phones. One Moto E815 and one LG. It took me about 5 minutes to deactivate one and activate the other.
With the ability to swap ESN's online and Backup Assist online for Contacts (thru Verizon's website) it has become a lot easier to swap phones if you feel like it.

But yes I feel that the CDMA customers are being shortchanged when it comes to choice.

Posted by: shadowman714

I heard several times that Nokia announced they are no longer making CDMA phones.

The Qualcomm royalties are too high, and the market share is too low. So it wouldn't surprise me if Nokia simply rebrands other phones for the CDMA markets. They wouldn't have to buy a whole lot (due to small market), and the actual manufacturer (not Nokia) is then the one who has to deal with Qualcomm's wrath.

Posted by: nokiaman76

yeah nokia phones are made by pantech the last real one being the 2366i i loved my 3589i til i traded it in.

Posted by: experiment626

Well Nokia did release the 6265 and the 6275 for the N.A. CDMA market and these seem to be standard high-quality Nokia products.Unfortunatly for us VZW users Verizon seems to have decided on passing on offering them(but MetroPCS can offer them?

).BTW,I think some of Nokia's basic GSM handsets get the "cut corners because of our past reputation"treatment.Namely the 6101,6102,& 6103 series phones.I recently needed to choose a basic GSM handset and the 6103 was one of my options.Now I love Nokia products,having used them almost since I started carrying cell phones,but I was really disappointed in what I saw as a "cheap phone" under that Nokia badge. I know Nokia makes better phones than this!

Anyway, I chose the Samsung T619(my first Samsung) and have been very impressed by it's features and performance.