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Originally posted by Aries42X I want to try and learn Zhu Yin so I can pronounce things better in Mandarin .. does anyone here know if it's difficult to learn ? How long do you think it will take a newbie to know them all ? I have good memorization skills.. |
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Originally posted by Aries42X I want to try and learn Zhu Yin so I can pronounce things better in Mandarin .. does anyone here know if it's difficult to learn ? How long do you think it will take a newbie to know them all ? I have good memorization skills.. |
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Originally posted by davidmd1001 I'll help. Dont' know how much I could actually help, though. Ok, first lesson. How you write "Zhuyin Fuhao" in bopomofo: £¤£¹£¿£¸£´£w£¹£½£~£±£¿ I don't think it should be too hard to learn. I learned when I was a kid, so I forget how long it took me :P This should help: tell us the progress!! |
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Originally posted by chinaman wtf is all this crap? |
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Originally posted by [Corporal Dan] Brain... hurts. Think yer all fancy, huh? Well, decipher this!
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I was surprised by how this is only taught in Taiwan. . because I asked a lot of people .. they looked at me stupid..
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Originally posted by merface pinyin in my opinion is much easier because its sorta like english |
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Originally posted by mawti Who's trying to be fancy? It's no different from writing a,b,c,d... in English. So Dan, I'm unable to decipher your message. Do you mind telling me what it says? |
alphabet/character set?
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Originally posted by rex-star for those of us that are not chinese/hk/taiwanese, what's pinyin and bopomofo? alphabet/character set?
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Originally posted by huy397 pin-yin means literally "spelling sound", Chinese people use that to sound out words. For instance, "Rex" = "reks" "bi" ( Chinese pronouciation ) means "pen" in English and "bi" is the pin-yin for the wod. Pin-yin uses latin alphabets, ie. A to Z ------- bopomofo is something that only Taiwanese use. It's a set of characters and each character has a sound ( or annouciation key ) assigned to it. (See davidmd1001's post ) They're just like English phonetics. Each word is pronouced using a combination of those characters ( some words may only require one character ) For instance, "£t ¤@ 3 " is the phonetic key for the word "Pen" in Mandarin ( 3 means the 3rd tone, there's a symbol for that but I can't type that out. There are 5 tones in total, each is used to pronouce the word with a certain projection) -------- So, basically, when you see a Chinese word, there's pretty much no way for you to sound it out unless there's pin-yin or bopomofo besides it. Hope this clear things up a little 
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Originally posted by Aries42X I never thought Zhuyin would be this complicated .. so many sounds apart from the 38 characters .. I think I really need someone to teach me in person .. but then .. there's not that many Taiwanese people in the GTA. |
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Originally posted by Aries42X I never thought Zhuyin would be this complicated .. so many sounds apart from the 38 characters .. I think I really need someone to teach me in person .. but then .. there's not that many Taiwanese people in the GTA. |
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Originally posted by davidmd1001 Just, wondering, but how is your mandarin skill? I mean, can you speak it, or only Cantnese? If you know mandarin, then zhuyin is very easy, if not, then it would require a teacher... |
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Originally posted by chwang0129 ha.. go to Green Banana KTV ~~ the one next to the bowling place (that KTV was own by taiwanese).. are you guys surprised my location says USA and I know that place? ^_^ i go to GTA every once in a while |
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Originally posted by davidmd1001 dude I found the site for you!!! hahahahaha. It's a child dictionary from TW! I actually used it a while ago, but I remembered about it. It has audio recordings for every entry and bopomofo written for the actual word. Just lookup words and listen to the definitions! You'll be pro in no time. http://140.111.1.22/clc/jdict/main/cover/main.htm |
Thanks a lot man !!! but then .. I gotta start memorizing the table before I start w/ this lol .. if I'm lukcy .. what's the fastest you think I can learn it in ? 'cuz my friend says you need like at least 10 years to be a pro at it.
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Originally posted by Aries42X haha I never heard of it before man lol ... man .. that sucks I only had 2 Taiwanese friends in my whole life in the GTA man.. pretty sad .. I'm begging my friend to help me with this right now. |
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Originally posted by cc1234321 hmm...reading thrugh this thread has sparked my interest...hehe... I know Mandarin and Pinyin already.. but not Zhu Yin... would I need to learn Zhu Yin if I know Pinyin already.. and I'm very interested in learning Taiwanese/Taiwanese slang.. how would I go about learning it (I don't know any Taiwanese friends...not too many Taiwanese ppl here in HK)...? |
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Originally posted by harrytse i taking a crack at zhuyin as well, but I'm having a hard time figuring it out. Actually it's more of a problem with the Microsoft IME, if I did it in NJStar it wouldn't be a problem. But here goes, the Microsoft IME system requires at least three components before it'll give you a candidate. Take for example if I try to type ¦Ñ®v, I can get the ¦Ñ but I can't figure out how to form the ®v. i've checked the dictionaries and even the IME Pad itself identifies the components as £¦£¸. But it insists on a third component, but there's nothing else to the character and it's not spitting out a character. I just end up getting frustrated and using the IME pad or switching back over to pinyin. what am i doing wrong? |
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Originally posted by harrytse Yeah i've tried that too.....I'm using the Microsoft New Phonetic IME 2002a in Chinese (Taiwan) using the Standard Zhuyin keyboard layout. |
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Originally posted by harrytse haha ÁÂÁÂ, of all the things i thought of doing i didn't think of doing that! guess that mandarin to taiwanese thing was messing me up. |
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Originally posted by Takumi_Inui I was kind of forced to use it because on the GD55 , they only way you can type Traditional Chinese is with Zhu Yin . If I use Pin Yin , it will just generate Simplified Characters which I have problems reading. From now, on .. I'm going to make sure every phone I have supports this
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Originally posted by harrytse support what? pinyin output in traditional? or all your future phones having zhuyin only? five stroke seems to be the direction that most cell phones seem to be taking, because regardless of zhuyin or pinyin you have to write the character the same way. zhuyin would be easier if my keyboard (and keypad on my phone) were marked in zhuyin. but unless they come from taiwan, it's usually five stroke on the keypad. |
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Originally posted by Takumi_Inui Yes , there is no pinyin output in Traditional for some odd reason.. The 5 stroke thing, I have no idea how to use it.. and I only know hot to read chinese characters , not really write them .. so pin yin and zhu yin are the only methods of input that are for me. But you're right, the GD55 is probably the only phone that supports zhu yin. |
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Originally posted by huy397 Plenty of phones support "ª`_?quot; ( "Zhu Yin" ) All my phones has it... except the TDMA ones. |
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Originally posted by Takumi_Inui Really ? Did you have to customly put it on ? 'cause I find zhu yin a lot easier to input words. |
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Originally posted by huy397 Well, virtually every phone in Taiwan has it ... well, has to have it. The the only exception I can think of is "water goods" , Samsung, LG, G-Plus in particular. But in most cases, the phone can be flashed. My T39mc has Zhu-Yin but it's got a stroke keypad. TCC Q285, Moto P7689, SONY Z18 all have Zhun Yin input and Zhu-Yin characters on the keypad as well. The G-Plus doesn't , 'cause it was "water good" but I did flash it to Traditional Chinse version and that will give you Zhu-Yin input.and that will give you Zhu-Yin input. I am pretty bad at Stroke, too and that happens to be the default input on my T39. But I gotta admit, it's probably the fastest way to input... once you're used to it. There was a SMS competition in Taiwan and the top 5 all used Stroke.
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Originally posted by Takumi_Inui The strokes are pretty hard to use, plus I can't really write Chinese, only read.. even with zhu yin , I was able to type the stuff easily, just that I had to look at a piece of paper a lot lol. So you think the Sony Ericsson T610 can use Zhu Yin ? SMS competition, damn .. how those guys do it .. lol .. My Panasonic GD55 has a stroke pad as well , I had to write down all the characters the numbers on the keypad generates onto a piece of paper before using it.. I'm trying to memorize the full zhu yin table .. migh take time. |
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Originally posted by harrytse Anybody know any online retailers that have taiwanese sources? |
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Originally posted by huy397 Yeah, I am so used to writing down the word in the wrong order of strokes that I have a hard time getting anything. For instance, in some words, the vertical stroke should go before the horizontal one but I always do it the other way around... As for T610, the current version in Taiwan is the HK/China version ( water goods ) therefore, it doesn't have Zhu-Yin yet but the official Taiwanese version will be out by next month, which will have Zhu-Yin. I learned Zhu-Yin when I was kid ( like 17 years ago or so ), and I know it's hard to learn. A friends is teaching CBCs in the local Chinese school and the students have one heck of a time just trying to sound out something, let alone knowing it well enough as a input method. Anyway, good luck
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Originally posted by Takumi_Inui haha thanks, how long did it really take you to learn it ? Because thanks to my phone , and this trusty site .. I'm starting to understand it. It's just putting words together which stumbles me sometimes. A few of my Taiwanese friends told me that it will take me a few years at least to master it. You'll never know though, to be honest , I learned most my chiense characters within the last year .. who knows , maybe I can pick up Zhu Yin quick as well. |
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Originally posted by huy397 I honestly have no idea on how long it took me. I started learning it in kindergarten and grade 1 or 2, everything else just happened. Every Taiwanese should know it by heart... except those above 40 or so, since they didn't learn it back then. |
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Originally posted by Takumi_Inui So this was developed not very long ago I'm guessing.. In Taiwan, they have their own years, I'm 1984 so I'm 73 .. does this signify how long they've been an independant country for ? |
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