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Posted by: Dave Evans

I had not planned on going to Vista, but Futureshop had a deal on yesterday where you received a free D-Link router worth $139.00 so I figured it was worth my while.

After running the application that checks your system for compatibility it showed no problems with any software or hardware running on my system other than advising I upgrade from 512mb RAM to 1gig if I intended to use Media Center. It also made no mention of the fact that I would have to do a clean install going from XP Pro to Home Premium...arrgg.

So after doing a clean install I load Quickbooks, my accounting software for my business and the most important bit of information I have. It won't even open. I call Quickbooks (in hindsight I should have done this before, but the testing app made no mention of problems of any kind.) they say there may be some minor problems but it will work....IT DOESN'T. Again although there was no mention of a possible problem, my printer does not work and the manufaturer does not have any Vista drivers yet. An Epson printer installed on a comptuer on the network has the same problems.

I installed Mobile Device Center, or the piece of crap they call Mobile Device Center.....I then try to copy an Audible file to a mini SD card using MDC since for some strange reason it won't let me copy and paste it. It took 19 minutes to copy it through Mobile Device Center. Normally it would take 2-3 minutes to transfere a file that size, by copying and pasteing.

Oh, and another biggie....after connecting my 6700 once, it now will do nothing but partially load the Today screen and it locks. It won't even turn off, so now I have to solve this issue as well.........Dave's not a happy camper!!!!....where'd I leave that number for the Apple store.

I'm going back to XP, which is so far MS's best attempt at an operating system.

Has anyone else gone back and had any problems doing so?

Dave

Posted by: Ishimaru

LOL I'll NEVER go back to XP after using Vista! If you remember when XP came out, EVERYONE hated it, and it was JUST like 2000. Now 5 years later, EVERYONE loves it. Give Vista some time to gain momentum, but it IS far better than XP.

Posted by: Dave Evans

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Give Vista some time to gain momentum.

Kinda hard to build momentum when you are dead in the water.

Business doesn't gain much momentum either when you can't do any accounting or even make an invioice.

Unfortunately for me, I can't just wait for things to iron themselves out. I get Quickbooks back today one way or another. The easiest most reliable method is to go back to XP.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Vista works like a champ for me, and has since I've been using it since Beta 1.

Posted by: mikewchandler

I've yet to try vista yet (other than at a display in Circuit City). So, like usual....I'm no help.

Posted by: Ishimaru

LOL it's ok

I honestly LOVE Vista

So much more than XP. I have a few gripes with nVidia drivers, but in all honesty, it's working 100% of what I want!

Posted by: sabesh

Dave,

Which version of QB are you using?

Good thing you poated 'cos QB is something I use as well.

Cheers,

Sabesh.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Vista did get an update the other day for added software compatibility...I don't use QuickBooks, so I don't know if that helped it or not. My friend loaded QB 2007 on Vista, and it opened, and worked like a charm, no problems at all. And come on now, 512MB of memory??? 2GB should be minimum!!! Having used it since Beta 1, I know pretty much all there is to know about Vista (I was a beta tester for MS). I just can't bring myself to go back to XP, it's so...dated, plain, and BORING! Granted I have a free license for Ultimate, and a free license for Office 2007 Professional, but I would still pay for it if I wanted it. About copying files over, I tried to copy 550MB worth of MP3's, Vista told me it would take about 30 minutes. It's USB 1.1 so it's not the fastest in the West.

Posted by: Dave Evans

Sabesh, I'm using Quickbooks Pro 2006. It won't even open.

Glad to heaqr you are having such a stellar experience with Vista DarkJedi.

Posted by: pen25

the only way to truely check to make sure it will work properly is to get a new hard drive load it and install everything if it works then awesome add in the old drive pull all info you need. format the drive and go. if it doesnt work you put your old drive back in or dual boot until vista becomes stable enough for your needs. as rule of thumb never upgrade a business machine outright until the first round of fixes come out.

Posted by: Dave Evans

Well.....it won't install XP. I think it needs a full install CD opposed to the upgrade CD I have. It's complaining about files it can't find. I have too much going at the moment so I just dropped it off a a local shopped I deal with sometimes......@#*^&%$#

I had to hard reset my phone to get it back.

Posted by: Dave Evans

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Originally Posted by pen25

as rule of thumb never upgrade a business machine outright until the first round of fixes come out.

Yup, it was dumb thing to do. I wasn't even going to do it except for that stupid free router offer. I should have just set the box aside for awhile, and I seriously considered it, but when I ran the compatability app and it came up rosie, I had a brain fart and went ahead with it. At least now I will have a nice clean hardrive.

Posted by: pen25

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Originally Posted by Dave Evans

we have all been there. i did a wipe and clean of my pc one tie after formatting it and forgot i had some important docs and pictures on that drive. thought i had moved them over to the NAS. oops. lucky for the pictures i had burned them on cd before but those work docs were lost for good. had to re-do them which wasnt fun.

oh and sometimes when things like this happen granted this is a business machine is i sometimes have to "work around" an issue IE doing a full recovery.

Posted by: FallN

I actually got my copy of Vista literally 7 days ago before it was released to the public. I sat there looking at the install DVD and realized that I'm tired of being the "early adopter" that pays through the nose for the "privilege" of dealing with beyond buggy software! No thanks. I decided to wait and let the customer reviews and opinions roll in before playing the upgrade game... And the more I sat looking at that Vista DVD the more it became apparent to me that I'm going to ditch Windows and go Mac... (Once you go Mac you never go back)

Vista is actually making me go out and buy a Mac. Yes, you read that right: IVista has made me ditch Windows machines and defect to a Mac. Bill Gates is rolling over in his grave... Oh, wait, he's not dead yet. Sorry.

Posted by: sabesh

If I ever install vista, it'll be on a new Hard drive. SATA makes things so easy.

Dave: I will prolly have Vista in a couple of weeks. Will let you know then if QB 2007 Pro runs on it.

Posted by: Mr Pink57

I will grab the article later but apparently when you upgrade to Vista it burns your XP key. So make sure you want to upgrade.

pink

Posted by: Dave Evans

I had no significant problems going back, and it authenticated with my original XP key.

Dave

Posted by: futuredoc

Tried it, hated it, wen't back to XP. I'm actually fed up of Windows so i'm switching to Mac come June, new upgraded Macbook's. Yea, you read that right....Sue me!

Oh and thanks to Bootcamp, i can always run Windows if i'm ever that desperate.

Posted by: Dave Evans

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Originally Posted by futuredoc

Sue me!

I always wondered what your real name was.

I think my next laptop is going to be a Mac. Nice way to eeeaassse into it.

Dave

Posted by: futuredoc

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

I will grab the article later but apparently when you upgrade to Vista it burns your XP key. So make sure you want to upgrade.

pink

Thats right. I read that on Gizmodo too; apparently your old key gets invalidated once you upgrade which basically means you can't downgrade. Nice goin Microsoft.

I really like Bill, he's a great guy and MUCH better than our turtle-necked friend Jobs who believes in keep all the money for himself, but MS has really got to get its act together if they wan't to stay on the top. With Bill retiring, i don't know where MS is heading...

Posted by: futuredoc

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Originally Posted by Dave Evans

I always wondered what your real name was.

I think my next laptop is going to be a Mac. Nice way to eeeaassse into it.

Dave

Seriously, leopard sounds awesome and for my needs thats MORE than enough!

Posted by: CeluGeek

I was eager to upgrade to Windows Vista, until I read how MS is controlling the audio processing - so they can force DRM down your throat. They can degrade or disable audio if they feel you are playing tracks acquired illegally (whether that's true or not). Also, bye bye to the idea of getting audio clips from your DVD's and other protected media by recording with the "What U Hear" option. Thanks but no thanks. I don't want to have even less control over the media I've already purchased.

I'll probably get Vista for my laptop, because I'll need it for work but my main system is staying dual-boot with XP and Ubuntu Linux.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by WM4me

I was eager to upgrade to Windows Vista, until I read how MS is controlling the audio processing - so they can force DRM down your throat. They can degrade or disable audio if they feel you are playing tracks acquired illegally (whether that's true or not). Also, bye bye to the idea of getting audio clips from your DVD's and other protected media by recording with the "What U Hear" option. Thanks but no thanks. I don't want to have even less control over the media I've already purchased.

I'll probably get Vista for my laptop, because I'll need it for work but my main system is staying dual-boot with XP and Ubuntu Linux.

I have been running Vista since Beta1 and I am not runnign Ultimate and I can tell you that I have not experianced anything that you are saying. I rip .mp3 from DVD's and CD's I purchase music from Urge, I sych all of it to my phone with zero issues.

Personlly I will never go back to XP, The Vista interface is so nice and intitutive and I have ZERO issues with drivers on any of my accessories.

Posted by: CeluGeek

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Originally Posted by Mashie

Wait until you have to get new DRM-certified equipment in order to play and stream HD-DVD's, and wait until you can't play (much less extract) audio tracks from DRM-enabled CD's.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by WM4me

Wait until you have to get new DRM-certified equipment in order to play and stream HD-DVD's, and wait until you can't play (much less extract) audio tracks from DRM-enabled CD's.

I bet this is being driven more by the studios (movie/music) than Microsoft. I would bet that in the near future it will be this way with everything, not just Vista

Posted by: aquinon

all I know about Mac 's, I learned in kindergarten...

WM doesnt run with Mac, right? what about WM6?

Posted by: Dave Evans

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Originally Posted by aquinon

all I know about Mac 's, I learned in kindergarten...

WM doesnt run with Mac, right? what about WM6?

Yes, you can sync WM devices with Mac. Check out Pocket Mac: http://www.handango.com/SoftwareCat...anguage=english

Posted by: juiceppc

Vista's ok. I think XP is quicker and offers pretty much the same or more as far as functionality. But of course this was kind of the same case about 98 to XP. It's not a revolutionary thing by any means, more graphical then anything. The whole "Aero" thing is a glorified Alt-Tab. I'd personally just rather have it happen faster with a less graphically/processor intesive process.

If all I had to do was sit in my high rise apt and surf the web, check email and publish Flash all day I would love to have a G4(or whatever is the newest bestest) with a cinema display lookin all cool. Unfortunately my work is heavy business and we rely on a lot of custom and 3rd party Windows stuff. One day when business sways it might happen but not for a while.

A lot of apps are becoming web enabled which does change the tide a lot. Ok I will go out on a limb and say in maybe about 10-15 years Microsoft starts losing a foothold.

Posted by: slick962002

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

LOL I'll NEVER go back to XP after using Vista! If you remember when XP came out, EVERYONE hated it, and it was JUST like 2000. Now 5 years later, EVERYONE loves it. Give Vista some time to gain momentum, but it IS far better than XP.

Does anybody remember a "Windows ME" well just take the ME out and put VISTA and you've got the new Windows platform of the future. I was given a beta tester version through my company. Hate it, won't like it until they make a lot of changes. Pretty much looks like windows is setting itself up for a hostile take-over of Apple. And when that happens... Look for the exact same platform on both machines. Apple's platform!

Posted by: Dave Evans

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Originally Posted by slick962002

LOL

Posted by: Dave Evans

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Originally Posted by slick962002

Pretty much looks like windows is setting itself up for a hostile take-over of Apple. And when that happens... Look for the exact same platform on both machines. Apple's platform!

LOL

I think Mr. Job and friends will be a few billion dollars shy on that one.

Posted by: klbjr

"Down With Vista" is my new motto. I went out and bought a $1000 HP cpu with Vista Premium installed thinking that after XP it could only get better. Big mistake!!! Vista has taken all control away from you. It makes you some sort of Psudo-Administrator with limited rights, meaning you can't change anything in your Registry or Program Files folder or pretty much anything else on your own computer. So trying to patch a program is out of the question. Yeah it looks pretty but that's about it, because when it comes to functionality it's worse than that ME crap they put on the market. I couldn't get my XP Pro disc in CD drive quick enough !!!! VISTA......PASS!!!!

Posted by: sabesh

klbjr:

Check this out:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=537806

Cheers,

Sabesh.

Posted by: Ishimaru

It makes me laugh at how many people are having problems with Vista. I have yet to have a SINGLE problem with it.

Posted by: richy240

I've gone back to XP three times now. So far my best experience with Vista has been RC1, and even that was lame. I love it, don't get me wrong, but they've got to get the software compatibility issues worked out first. Yes, I remember this same thing with XP. And that's why I stuck with 98 and 2000 until they got it stable enough to use.

I depend on my laptop for work and play, and it's powered on and in use in various locations for 10 to 15 hours a day. Many of the tools I use either won't install under Vista, or won't run. So I've gone back to XP repeatedly. I vowed not to pick Vista up again until I know my software will run.

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Originally Posted by klbjr

"Down With Vista" is my new motto. I went out and bought a $1000 HP cpu with Vista Premium installed thinking that after XP it could only get better. Big mistake!!! Vista has taken all control away from you. It makes you some sort of Psudo-Administrator with limited rights, meaning you can't change anything in your Registry or Program Files folder or pretty much anything else on your own computer. So trying to patch a program is out of the question. Yeah it looks pretty but that's about it, because when it comes to functionality it's worse than that ME crap they put on the market. I couldn't get my XP Pro disc in CD drive quick enough !!!! VISTA......PASS!!!!

I thought the same thing, but with a little wrangling, you can get Vista to cooperate nicely. But yeah, the new security is a joke. Too little, too late M$. Still, they're doing a great job of being everything (well, almost anyway) to everyone (well, almost anyway).

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

It makes me laugh at how many people are having problems with Vista. I have yet to have a SINGLE problem with it.

I'm not laughing.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

It makes me laugh at how many people are having problems with Vista. I have yet to have a SINGLE problem with it.

lol same here. I have Vista on 3 systems and have had zero issues. You just have to make sure you set yourself up as an administrator and make sure you install programs as the administrator.

If you have a program that doeant run then use compatability to emulate XP sp2. I really love Vista and have had a really good experiance

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by Mashie

If you have a program that doeant run then use compatability to emulate XP sp2. I really love Vista and have had a really good experiance

I guess I haven't really taken the time to explore that feature. Thanks for the input!

Posted by: sabesh

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Originally Posted by richy240

I guess I haven't really taken the time to explore that feature. Thanks for the input!

Richy,

See here:

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...atibility-mode/

Cheers,

Sabesh.

Posted by: richy240

Yep, there it is! I have seen that before, but never tried applying it to anything. I must admit, I haven't taken the time to get this stuff working - just swapped hard drives in my laptop back to XP and went on my way. I used to love the challenge. Now I just need working tools to get my job done - no time for tinkering anymore! And that's too bad. The more specialized I get, the less I time I have to enjoy other facets of computing.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by richy240

I guess I haven't really taken the time to explore that feature. Thanks for the input!

Also one thing to note. Vista now wants programs that are installed under a specific profile to put the data under that profile. Most XP programs want to put all of the data under Program Files. So, if you install a program, then have trouble getting it to run, this is why. If you right click on the icon, go to properities and go to Compatability you can chose "run as administrator".

this has fixed everything that I had problems getting to run on Vista except for wsftp pro!

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by Mashie

That shouldn't be a problem. I do everything as an admin on my local machines. It's just easier that way, and nowhere near as dangerous as a *nix box.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Only reason for me to use XP is for ROM flashing. Vista CAN do it, but it means I replace the Vista drivers, with XP ActiveSync drivers; however, after that, I can't sync any longer. So I think I"m going to have to dual boot soon.

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Only reason for me to use XP is for ROM flashing. Vista CAN do it, but it means I replace the Vista drivers, with XP ActiveSync drivers; however, after that, I can't sync any longer. So I think I"m going to have to dual boot soon.

Ooh... That sucks. I guess I can dual-boot a multi-GB OS just for flashing (what a waste of disk space), but I'd really like to get Vista running on my laptop.

And it looks like I might have to triple-boot with Linux too, if I want to start taking apart and piecing together ROM images... Damnit. Too many OS's and not enough time.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

heh I left my wife's machine on XP for just this purpose

Posted by: Evaluator

Vista users experience user interface friction? Sounds uncomfortable...

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=8532

Posted by: Ishimaru

Yeah well...what do you expect from the French??

No offense to Frenchie's

Posted by: sabesh

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Originally Posted by Dave Evans

<snip>I get Quickbooks back today one way or another. The easiest most reliable method is to go back to XP.

I finally got around to installing Vista Ultimate (Trialing right now). Quickbooks installation was painless (got one error: "unable to access fonts section in registry". I just clicked OK and install completed smoothly).

Quickbooks 2007 Pro works well with Vista Ultimate. Keep in mind that I disabled User Account Control and enabled Administrator account access. Now onto exploring Vista ....

Posted by: Dave Evans

Thanks, Wingman. I'll be off to pickup QB2007 this week and give Vista another go.

Be warned....if it goes south on me I'm coming after YOU.

Posted by: sabesh

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Originally Posted by Dave Evans

<snip>
Be warned....if it goes south on me I'm coming after YOU.

Wingman/Tech support at your service!

Posted by: Darkshadow46236

I got to play with the beta for a while, and I loved it. Slower than xp though, but I still loved it - it looks great on the larger screens. Since then... the hard drive crashed, I had to have it replaced, and never had the time to do it again.

I'm not ready to buy Vista just to get that polished interface. Now ubuntu + xgl...

Posted by: bxi

my system won't support vista so looks like I wont be going there

Posted by: sabesh

Windows Mobile Device Centre is very cool:

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by sabesh

Windows Mobile Device Centre is very cool:

There is a great hack at the link below to put a .ico file on your device in the /windows directory so when you connect it to WMDC you can get a pictre of your specific device instead of that generic picture. I did this for both my Blackjack and Treo so no matter which device I plug in I have the proper picture.

It also is the Icon for your device when you open My Computer. Scroll down and the author provides .ico files for almost all devices.

http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/sams...-icon-hack.html

Here is an example picture

http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/atta...pg?d=1171816030

Posted by: sabesh

Thx Mashie! Will try it out later. I like this better than AS, as it gives you a bit more options.

Posted by: richy240

Ok, so I'm back on Vista. No software compatibility problems yet, but I have run into YET ANOTHER problem that could be a show stopper: non-broadcasting wireless networks.

I have yet had success connecting to a network at a client's office, which I connect to 2 to 3 times per week. Vista keeps telling me the network key is incorrect, but that's crap. It worked fine in XP. In addition, I have set this network up on probably 15 different laptops, and this is the first time I've encountered this problem (first Vista laptop too). It's a WPA/TKIP non-broadcasting network, and I've tried EVERYTHING I can think of (I'm in IT, so I have thought of a lot...). I'm hard wired right now, but that's so 2003.

Any ideas? I hope you're all laughing at my Vista woes now...

Posted by: Ishimaru

I hate WiFi, it's caused me nothing but problems

It's only good for laptops and PDA's.

Posted by: micaels

Im using vista on both of my desktops right now and on my new Pavilion DV6000 series laptop it simply rocks.

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I hate WiFi, it's caused me nothing but problems

It's only good for laptops and PDA's.

Well, this is a laptop... Anyway, Wifi works. Vista's implementation of Wifi obviously doesn't.

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Originally Posted by micaels

Im using vista on both of my desktops right now and on my new Pavilion DV6000 series laptop it simply rocks.

Yeah, it rocks until it won't do something it should... Wait, that's pretty much everything, except booting, thus far. Well, not everything, but it is still piss poor. They've made it close enough to WinXP for it to be familiar, but different enough to frustrate me badly - and I am in IT, this should be no problem.

Let me put it this way: the "WOW" factor isn't enough for me. It's time Vista worked as well as Microsoft claims, and as well as XP does. Period.

Yep, time to ditch Vista for the FOURTH TIME - this is unacceptable! I have said it before and I'll say it again, XP is Microsoft's best OS yet, Vista included. In my business, either something works or it doesn't. Well, Vista doesn't.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by richy240

Well, this is a laptop... Anyway, Wifi works. Vista's implementation of Wifi obviously doesn't.

Yeah, it rocks until it won't do something it should... Wait, that's pretty much everything, except booting, thus far. Well, not everything, but it is still piss poor. They've made it close enough to WinXP for it to be familiar, but different enough to frustrate me badly - and I am in IT, this should be no problem.

Let me put it this way: the "WOW" factor isn't enough for me. It's time Vista worked as well as Microsoft claims, and as well as XP does. Period.

Yep, time to ditch Vista for the FOURTH TIME - this is unacceptable! I have said it before and I'll say it again, XP is Microsoft's best OS yet, Vista included. In my business, either something works or it doesn't. Well, Vista doesn't.

I have connected my Vista laptop to hundreds of different WiFi networks and have never had a problem. Have you tried manually setting up the network instead of using the wizard?

You don't happen to have an Intel wireless card in that laptop do you because there are know issues with WPA and the origianl Intel Vista drivers. HEre is a post about it on the Technet Forums

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet...eID=17&PageID=1

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by Mashie

Yes, I HAD to set it up manually because it's a non-broadcasting network - it doesn't broadcast it's SSID. There are a few articles out there regarding Vista and non-broadcasting networks, but they didn't help me. This was a problem once before, but I was using RC1 at the time. I thought it would have been ironed out by now.

I have a Broadcom wifi card, not an Intel.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by richy240

yeah sorry I missed that on the non-broadcasting SSID. It sounds like several people are having trouble with Vista Enterprise/Ultimate and WPA network ecryption. It seems to specifically be with WPA1 but not WPA2, does the router you are trying to connect to support WPA2?

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by Mashie

LOL, no, it's WPA1... Beautiful.

I didn't search for a solution really, I just searched to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong. Like I said before, something this simple should either work or not. I don't have time to fix M$' problems for them.

Oddly enough, I use WPA1 at home and it works great. But then again, I am broadcasting my SSID also, since not broadcasting doesn't afford me any benefits anyway.

I'm using AP's, not routers. But either way, I cannot switch to WPA2. These are in a corporate HQ for a refining company, and the config is mimicked at other offices in KC, etc. so people can travel between the offices and never reconfig their wireless settings. Switching to WPA2 simply isn't an option.

Posted by: sabesh

I'm back to XP Pro .. At least for another week and a half until my on-call stint ends. Reason? Java issues with some work-related GUI tools. Tried all versions of JRE with no success. Yes, Vista works fine for majority of Java stuff out there .. But right now, I'm in the minority. As with any new O/S, we will have to wait until developers come around ensure Microsoft's "backwards compatibility"

To be honest, Vista is a tad faster than XP Pro, and has a lot of eye-candy. However, I'm not sure that it's a "wow" upgrade as Billy put it.

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by sabesh

I'm back to XP Pro .. At least for another week and a half until my on-call stint ends. Reason? Java issues with some work-related GUI tools. Tried all versions of JRE with no success. Yes, Vista works fine for majority of Java stuff out there .. But right now, I'm in the minority. As with any new O/S, we will have to wait until developers come around ensure Microsoft's "backwards compatibility"

To be honest, Vista is a tad faster than XP Pro, and has a lot of eye-candy. However, I'm not sure that it's a "wow" upgrade as Billy put it.

WPA support on a non-SSID-broadcasting wireless network has nothing to do with developers or backwards compatibility. It has more to do with Microsoft rushing their products to market than anything. I'm just glad people are finally fed up with it and are sticking to XP for as long as possible. I would too, except soon I'm going to be required to support Vista on occasion.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Rushing to the market? After 5 years, you think Vista was rushed? Hmmm...

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Rushing to the market? After 5 years, you think Vista was rushed? Hmmm...

Yes, as with all Microsoft products. Vista is no exception.

And I'm not anti-Microsoft or anything. As far as I'm concerned, they've got the best thing out there for most uses. But Vista is a joke, and everyone I've spoken to that should be all about it agrees with me. Sorry M$, too little too late.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by richy240

Well unfortuantely (or fortunatley) everyone I have spoken to loves vista so I guess its a net wash

Posted by: sabesh

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Originally Posted by Mashie

Well unfortuantely (or fortunatley) everyone I have spoken to loves vista so I guess its a net wash

I think majority of users will be swayed by the eye-candy. However, some compatibility issues remain. Because of this, major companies won't implement this on their LAN in the near future. Most vendors I deal with report that their respective companies are at least a year away from deploying it on their LANs.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by sabesh

Oh no doubt. I absolutely agree that major companies will hold off as they have with all new OS releases. My impression is that of all the operating systems MS has released, from my experiance Vista is the most stable. Sure there are still going to be some comptability issues but overall my experiance and the experiance of peopl I know has generally been very positive.

Posted by: Dave Evans

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Originally Posted by Mashie

Sure there are still going to be some comptability issues but overall my experiance and the experiance of peopl I know has generally been very positive.

I agree with the fact that most people are generally happy with Vista. I think this time though there are a higher number of compatibility issues than with most other releases.

Dave

Posted by: richy240

Maybe I'm being misunderstood... I really like Vista. That's why I keep going back and trying it again. I really don't like the fact that I can't use certain software, connect to that network mentioned above, etc. It's a really nice OS, fast, attractive, etc. but it still has some distance to travel before I adopt it as my primary OS. Each time I try it again, it has made some progress - just not enough.

Posted by: Mashie

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Originally Posted by richy240

Maybe I'm being misunderstood... I really like Vista. That's why I keep going back and trying it again. I really don't like the fact that I can't use certain software, connect to that network mentioned above, etc. It's a really nice OS, fast, attractive, etc. but it still has some distance to travel before I adopt it as my primary OS. Each time I try it again, it has made some progress - just not enough.

I hear you, It's got to be frustrating to want to use it but you keep running into compatabilities issues. I guess I have just been pretty lucky and haven't had too many issues. The issues I have had have been minor, like rom flashing tools not working under Vista lol.

Posted by: sabesh

BTW, in case some of you'll didn't know this & are considering getting Vista: Get the OEM version, it's significantly cheaper. The catch is, dealers are required to sell it with systems or system parts. Newegg, for example, throws in an IDE cable with it

The guy I brought it from, scribbled "bought with system" on my box

USA Example:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16832116213

Canada example:

http://www.pcvonline.com/productDetails.aspx?id=4836

Posted by: Dave Evans

Just another Vista problem.....

We picked up a new laptop for my wife yesterday, and I'm having problems seeing XP machines on the network. As a result I can't even setup a shared printer that is on my desktop.

I have done, or double checked the following: First, I've double checked that the new Vista maching has the same name for workgroups. All XP machines can see each other. The Vista machine can see and use the network for internet access without a problem. I have downloaded and installed the LLTD update which is supposed to address this issue. I've done all the usual file sharing checks and the likes......nothing has worked. Suggestions anyone?

........Vista is still NOT a warm spot in my heart.

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Evans

Just another Vista problem.....

We picked up a new laptop for my wife yesterday, and I'm having problems seeing XP machines on the network. As a result I can't even setup a shared printer that is on my desktop.

I have done, or double checked the following: First, I've double checked that the new Vista maching has the same name for workgroups. All XP machines can see each other. The Vista machine can see and use the network for internet access without a problem. I have downloaded and installed the LLTD update which is supposed to address this issue. I've done all the usual file sharing checks and the likes......nothing has worked. Suggestions anyone?

........Vista is still NOT a warm spot in my heart.

What version of Vista are you using on the new laptop?

Posted by: Smahatma2

I'm back to Windows 2003 Standard edition. As far as I'm concerned, this workstation edition has all the functionality and performance of XP, with added stability, security, and a slew of other features not available on XP.

Posted by: Dave Evans

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

What version of Vista are you using on the new laptop?

The new laptop is using Vista Premium. My desktop is XP Pro. We also have two other desktops running XP Home, and another laptop running XP Home......hmmm and Bill Gates vision was to have one PC in every household.

Dave

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smahatma2

I'm back to Windows 2003 Standard edition. As far as I'm concerned, this workstation edition has all the functionality and performance of XP, with added stability, security, and a slew of other features not available on XP.

There is no workstation edition of 2003 - it's all server. I'm glad it's working for you, but it's not meant for the desktop. It's a server platform, plain and simple.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Evans

So nothing SMB-related is working? Is it that you cannot see the machines when browsing, or you cannot even browse directly to them as listed below (in the "Run" box or adress bar in My Computer) and see their shared resources?

\\machine-hostname

Posted by: Dave Evans

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

Nope. Can't get there from here.

It does not see anything beyond the router (D-Link DIR-625) and from all I've read so far it's nothing to do with the router. The network is broadcasting. There is NO mac address filtering. I'm using WEP and have tested it without WEP turned on.

I did some searching on this problem yesterday and found it to be a problem others are having. So far I have found nothing that works.

I know the fix to this is going to be me pulling Vista down off the shelf and installing it on my desktop again. At least then the two main computers (mine and the new laptop) will see each other.....watch for more posts when I do that.

Dave

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Evans

Nope. Can't get there from here.

I assume you can ping all the machines? Or no?

Posted by: Dave Evans

I'm guessing yes, but I can't say for sure since my wife has it at work.

Dave

Posted by: mikewchandler

I've gone back to DOS b/c of all the problems with Windows!

Posted by: Dave Evans

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikewchandler

I've gone back to DOS b/c of all the problems with Windows!

Oh, I hadn't realized you had even left it.

Posted by: mikewchandler

Well....now I'm back to the typewriter.....

Posted by: Mashie

Do you have at least one drive shared on each machine? Also, on your Vista machine, under Network & Sharing Center, do you have Network Discovery on and File Sharing on?

Posted by: Dave Evans

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mashie

Do you have at least one drive shared on each machine? Also, on your Vista machine, under Network & Sharing Center, do you have Network Discovery on and File Sharing on?

Yup. All that has been done, and triple checked.

Posted by: dsigma6

I use Vista Ultimate on my ThinkPad, XP on my desktop. If something doesn't work on the Vista machine, I just forget about it and use XP. I like how Vista Ultimate is free too.

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsigma6

I use Vista Ultimate on my ThinkPad, XP on my desktop. If something doesn't work on the Vista machine, I just forget about it and use XP. I like how Vista Ultimate is free too.

Yeah, I don't think Vista Ultimate is free...

I'm back on Vista by the way. The non-broadcasting SSID/WPA problemhas been fixed, and I'm taking another stab at M$' new OS. Let's hope it doesn't suck anymore. (Heh, heh.)

Posted by: Dave Evans

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

I'm back on Vista by the way. The non-broadcasting SSID/WPA problemhas been fixed, and I'm taking another stab at M$' new OS. Let's hope it doesn't suck anymore. (Heh, heh.)

good luck richy,

I'm probably going to give it another go within the week. <fingers crossed>

Posted by: richy240

Thanks. So far so good. There are a few things bugging me, but it might be the apps' fault and not Vista.

Anyone use Vista, Google Desktop and Firefox? Does Google Desktop always launch everything in IE, when you'd like it launched in Firefox? This is REALLY bothering me...

Here's a bug I haven't seen before: Vista won't shut down completely. My screen goes completely white and the laptop hangs. (This is definitely Vista's fault.) Any ideas?

Weirdness...

Posted by: Mashie

I have Vista Ultimate on my Tablet PC and my Gaming machine, with XP still on my wife's computer

Posted by: Ishimaru

I'm only upset at drivers, other than that Vista is going great for me

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I'm only upset at drivers, other than that Vista is going great for me

which drivers are you struggling to find?

Posted by: Ishimaru

Oh, it's not a matter of finding them, it's a matter of them sucking!

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Oh, it's not a matter of finding them, it's a matter of them sucking!

hahah yeah I found that several manufacturers repackaged their XP drivers as "vista" drivers until they had really created new ones.

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mashie

hahah yeah I found that several manufacturers repackaged their XP drivers as "vista" drivers until they had really created new ones.

That's just irresponsible.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mashie

hahah yeah I found that several manufacturers repackaged their XP drivers as "vista" drivers until they had really created new ones.

*cough* Creative *cough*

Posted by: dsigma6

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

Here's a bug I haven't seen before: Vista won't shut down completely. My screen goes completely white and the laptop hangs. (This is definitely Vista's fault.) Any ideas?

I have a similar problem on one of my Vista installs. I can shutdown, but I can no longer hibernate or standby. If I do, the screen goes to black with a white cursor, as it usually would, but it says there indefinitely. I scoured the net for solutions and no one had any ideas.

The fact that it worked fine one day and not the next, leads me to believe a Vista update snuck in somewhere...but I said to hell with it and put XP back!

Posted by: richy240

I think the most recent round of updates fixed my shutdown problem. It shuts down completely, like it should. So far, so good. No major problem yet except where noted. One thing I can't get to work properly (or, at all rather) is the the WMP11 plugin for Firefox.

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

I think the most recent round of updates fixed my shutdown problem. It shuts down completely, like it should. So far, so good. No major problem yet except where noted. One thing I can't get to work properly (or, at all rather) is the the WMP11 plugin for Firefox.

I don't use FF any longer. Since installing Vista, I have been using IE7 and have had really good luck with it.

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mashie

I don't use FF any longer. Since installing Vista, I have been using IE7 and have had really good luck with it.

Come on dude. You're kidding right? IE? Seriously...

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

Come on dude. You're kidding right? IE? Seriously...

hey it seems to work just fine, I hated IE6 and switched to FF but IE7 works very well for me.

Posted by: richy240

Yeah, but it's... Internet... Explorer...

Even after they supposedly conformed to web standards, some sites STILL don't render correctly. I am sick of M$ trying to reinvent the norm, and jacking everything up in the process. I'll use Windows because I have to - it's hard to make money in the IT industry without supporting Windows these days in one way or another, but I run IE on a "need-to-run" basis (when I need ActiveX, etc.).

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

Yeah, but it's... Internet... Explorer...

I guess we don't go to the same sites. I have never found a site that didnt display properly. Like I said, I use whatever works for me

Posted by: Dave Evans

Over the years I have tried most of the browsers out there. I've spent lots of time sitting there tweaking my browser to look and act the way I want. In the end I always end up going back to Explorer. It just works. Period. No compatibility issues. No need to switch just get some plugin to work. No plying around trying to get it to play nice with other applications....It just works!

As for Vista. I'm stocking up on Valium with a conversion date set for Monday. May God be with me.

somehow I see a more evil force lurking....

Dave

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Evans

Over the years I have tried most of the browsers out there. I've spent lots of time sitting there tweaking my browser to look and act the way I want. In the end I always end up going back to Explorer. It just works. Period. No compatibility issues. No need to switch just get some plugin to work. No plying around trying to get it to play nice with other applications....It just works!

As for Vista. I'm stocking up on Valium with a conversion date set for Monday. May God be with me.

somehow I see a more evil force lurking....

Dave

Well, I imagine it just works because Microsoft won the browser war and 85% or more people use it. Because of that, a lot of web designers design for IE (for which they should be caned). Actually, these days it is a big rule in standards-based web design to design for Firefox and hack for IE - the reason being, Firefox conforms to web standards and IE doesn't. (I should point out that IE7 is better than previous versions, but still not perfect - or AS perfect as Firefox and Opera (except where noted) when it comes to standards. I don't mean to argue that these browsers are perfect either - far from it. I am just arguing that IE7 isn't AS perfect as these browsers where W3C standards are concerned.)

Being a web designer in a past life, I opt for the browser that generally follows the rules and use the rule breaker when I have to (like I said, when ActiveX or something is necessary).

Posted by: Ishimaru

Viva la Opera!!!

Posted by: Mashie

Quote:

Originally Posted by richy240

well. I am not a web designer, have never been and will never be. I want to double click the big "E" on my desktop and surf the web. IE7 allows me to do that. It works, is secure and brings up every site I go to so .... until IE7 stops working correctly I don't have any reson to switch.

Opra, FF etc. might be "better" but lets not kid anyone here, they are web browsers, how much "better" does it really need to be right now lol

Posted by: Ishimaru

I only use IE when things don't work right in Opera. I refuse to use FF.

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mashie

.... until IE7 stops working correctly I don't have any reson to switch.

Opra, FF etc. might be "better" but lets not kid anyone here, they are web browsers, how much "better" does it really need to be right now lol

Good points.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

I only use IE when things don't work right in Opera. I refuse to use FF.

How come?

Posted by: Ishimaru

Main reason, it's Netscape based (Gecko engine), and I couldn't stand Netscape. When I first tried FF, I looked in horror as it rendered the pages exactly like Netscape. That was the last time I used it. I've unfortunately had to use it in Ubuntu to download Opera.

Posted by: richy240

But, how come?

I kinda like Opera, but I have yet to find anything like AdBlock Plus for Opera. Opera actually has a very limited selection of "Widgets" and many of them are purely for fun - not useful at all as browser extensions.

Posted by: Ishimaru

Opera has something called "Block Content". But go here, and download the config file to block all the bad crap:

http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/

Click the drop down box, and choose Opera content filter. Copy that into your urlfilter.ini and never have to worry about ads again! Even at HoFo!

Posted by: dsigma6

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Viva la Opera!!!

L'opera!!!!

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Opera has something called "Block Content". But go here, and download the config file to block all the bad crap:

http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/

Click the drop down box, and choose Opera content filter. Copy that into your urlfilter.ini and never have to worry about ads again! Even at HoFo!

Wow. Sounds complicated, or more so than installing the AdBlock add-on for FF. I'll give it a try though. I do like Opera. I don't like online ads.

On another note, the shutdown bug I spoke about previously is back. Only now it's not every time I shutdown. It's happening every 5th or so shutdown, so I'm not sure what's going on. Like I said before, weirdness.

Posted by: Ishimaru

It's not THAT complicated. Once you set it, you forget it, lol

Posted by: richy240

Sounds good - I'll give it a try.

Posted by: sabesh

I came back to Vista three weeks ago. The latest Vista updates enable my Java 1.4.2-08 reliant work tools to function properly. Vista's here to stay: It hasn't crashed so far and is faster than XP Pro. I'm now waiting for the lazy developers like ATI's driver dept to come out with Vista compatible s/w.

Posted by: sabesh

My extensive, in-depth browser reviews:

Firefox - Good
IE7 - Average
Maxthon (use IE engine) - Absolutely rocks!
Apple Safari Beta for Windows - Blows
Opera - Good

Posted by: Ishimaru

In depth huh...

Posted by: sabesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

In depth huh...

Ya, too much details?

Posted by: Ishimaru

Figured so

Opera is my personal favorite. I used to love Avant Browser like no other, but Opera quickly won over my heart <3

Posted by: sabesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Figured so

Opera is my personal favorite. I used to love Avant Browser like no other, but Opera quickly won over my heart <3

*sigh* .. gone are the days when opera actually fit onto a 1.44mb floppy (which was it's claim to fame). But it's still a good browser though. Smaller footprint than most.

Yeah, Avant Browser is similar to Maxthon and very good. Opera and Netcaptor (now Maxthon) were two of the very first browsers to offer tabbed surfing (early as '97). However, Netcaptor/Maxthon's tabs were/are closest in form and function to the ones being used today by everybody and their mothers.

Posted by: richy240

What's a floppy?

Just kidding, but not really.

Posted by: swiego

I just switched back to XP on my laptop after months of headaches. Slow performance, hardware like TV tuners and fingerprint IDs not working due to lack of drivers on a Toshiba Qosmio purchased just a few months before Vista came out. Wifi never seeming to work particular, and definitely unable to survive a hibernate. Sync rarely working with a PDA. And on and on and on.

I got sick of it, ditched it, and my next PC will be a Mac. I have been watching the grass growing on the other side of the fence for 20 years now and I think my decades of tinkering to get something working are done with. I'm older now, I don't care to hack registry keys in Microsoft products any longer. I need something that just works and Vista, sadly, isn't it.

Even copying files takes 5 times as long and requires me to click 5 times as many buttons.

Posted by: richy240

Ok guys, I'll probably get flamed for this but here it goes...

I'm back on Vista, but this time on my new (to me) MacBook - and I must say, it runs better on this than any PC on which I've had it running. I've heard it's because of Apple's use of EFI, and other people have said it's because Vista's HAL "likes" Apple's hardware better (WTF does that mean anyway?), but whatever the reason THIS ROCKS!

The graphics are smooth, apps start almost instantly, and so on. I definitely recommend this to anyone looking for a new laptop and hoping to get Vista running as I assume it should.

Too bad no one told M$ and they continue loading it on crappy PC hardware. (Even new, powerful machines I've seen don't run Vista this well. Really, I'm impressed.)

The hardware drivers aren't yet 100% as they're currently in Beta, but overall it works very well. (More specifically, the built-in iSight webcam doesn't work in Vista (works fine in XP) and tap-to-click on the touchpad doesn't yet work in either.) I have heard that when Leopard is released with a final version of Boot Camp, the drivers will be working as expected. Oh yeah, and power management is a little funny (i.e. the screen doesn't yet automatically dim when you unplug the machine from external power).

@swiego: Get a Mac, dude. Load Boot Camp and Vista. Copy files. It *works*! It still takes about two seconds or so to start the transfer, but after that it's smooth sailing! My Compaq laptop (which was replaced by this MacBook) struggled with file transfers as you're describing.

Posted by: dsigma6

A Mac is nothing but an expensive PC. The only difference is the OS. You are removing Mac OS and using Vista, so save some money, get a regular PC, and it'll run just as well. Just stop buying crap video cards.

Posted by: richy240

Look dude, I've been in various facets of the computer industry for over 10 years. Now I know there are people on this board that have been involved longer, but I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about. This goes beyond a good video card.

Thanks for the input though. Other opinions, even misguided ones, are always welcome. I can see from your forum signature that you're no Apple fan, so I'll spare you what I think of your flaming.

Posted by: dsigma6

Oh relax, will ya? I'm not anti-apple, I just thought the comment was hilarious...so I put it in my signature. If it wasn't there, the crux of your post wouldn't exist.

A lot of people have been working in the computer industry for years, so your high road isn't doing anything for your point. Of course you need a solid cpu to get things done, but I mentioned video cards because you mentioned VISTA (ie. only good cards provide a good experience).

The processors, RAM, HD's, video cards, motherboards, etc., are all the SAME. The only difference is Mac having to approve the hardware, limiting what you can pick.

Seriously, I'm quite far from being a hater, but when you're wrong, you need to hunker down and go away.

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsigma6

Oh relax, will ya? I'm not anti-apple, I just thought the comment was hilarious...so I put it in my signature. If it wasn't there, the crux of your post wouldn't exist.

A lot of people have been working in the computer industry for years, so your high road isn't doing anything for your point. Of course you need a solid cpu to get things done, but I mentioned video cards because you mentioned VISTA (ie. only good cards provide a good experience).

The processors, RAM, HD's, video cards, motherboards, etc., are all the SAME. The only difference is Mac having to approve the hardware, limiting what you can pick.

Seriously, I'm quite far from being a hater, but when you're wrong, you need to hunker down and go away.

You're kidding right? Did you even read my post?

EDIT: I know a lot of people have been in the computer industry for a while, I EVEN SAID THAT. I was using my years of experience to illustrate that I have a decent idea of what I'm talking about, not that I know everything (or even a lot) about computers - there's a TON I don't know. Regarding the hardware, well, I admit it's nice hardware. But I've got other nice machines, not all laptops, and this tops them all even though the specs on a couple of them match up with this MacBook. And you signature, well, your signature speaks volumes. It isn't about what is SAYS necessarily, but the motivation that prompted you to take the time to copy, paste and save the text into your signature. Obviously you are generally unimpressed with Apple as a whole (only the social aspects of which are noted here) for whatever reason, and have chosen to target me because I have compared it, possibly to you unfavorably, to PC hardware. And finally, I have heard of other people close to me in the industry (literally two degrees of separation), to whom I have not spoken to directly, that agree with me: some .NET programmers (I'm a network guy myself). So back off. I was stating my opinion, not fact. I haven't done any benchmarks, just observed. (Pretty long edit, eh?)