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Posted by: Buddy Lee

Does Cingular/AT&T offer an unpublished unlimited text? I have a customer who is installing a unit in their bar for their patrons a way of voting, or giving specials/promotions through text messaging. The customers can vote, the bar can send out blast and such. Any ideas?

Thanks!



Posted by: celltechy

no..................



Posted by: Wonwad

Not that I know of, the most is 3000. I don't know why Cingular doesn't offer unlimited texting.



Posted by: blessd24

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonwad
Not that I know of, the most is 3000. I don't know why Cingular doesn't offer unlimited texting.



I'll take this one.

Cingular (or the New At&T or whatever) doesn't offer unlimited texting because we don't charge roaming. Verizon and Sprint both do, provided you are in their network. Since Cingular does not want to have to differentiate between roaming and non roaming (outside of extreme instances) they do not offer unlimited text. It really just causes less confusion.

Another answer I have heard is that less than 1 percent of Cingular customers use more than 3000 text per month. I heard this about 8 million net ads ago.



Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by blessd24
I'll take this one.

Cingular (or the New At&T or whatever) doesn't offer unlimited texting because we don't charge roaming. Verizon and Sprint both do, provided you are in their network. Since Cingular does not want to have to differentiate between roaming and non roaming (outside of extreme instances) they do not offer unlimited text. It really just causes less confusion.

Is that really a official company response? Are customers really suppose to buy that? By that reasoning they would not offer Unlimited mobile to mobile or Nights and weekends. In fact this would cost less confusion among consumers as Cingular has adopted a nationwide no roaming charges stance. Of course its bad for Cingular because they foot the bill for data services when a customer roams. Whether a customer does 1 or 3000 SMS while on a roaming partner Cingular foots the bills, offering an unlimited plan would not cause more confusion but a larger expense for Cingular.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blessd24
Another answer I have heard is that less than 1 percent of Cingular customers use more than 3000 text per month. I heard this about 8 million net ads ago.

Again the reasoning is suspect. We do not offer a plan that 99% of our customers would never utilize even though there is market demand?



Posted by: bigsho

Quote:
Originally Posted by blessd24
I'll take this one.

Cingular (or the New At&T or whatever) doesn't offer unlimited texting because we don't charge roaming. Verizon and Sprint both do, provided you are in their network. Since Cingular does not want to have to differentiate between roaming and non roaming (outside of extreme instances) they do not offer unlimited text. It really just causes less confusion.

Another answer I have heard is that less than 1 percent of Cingular customers use more than 3000 text per month. I heard this about 8 million net ads ago.

new vzw plans dont allow any charges for roaming. You are either on VZW's native network...or free roaming on someone elses network. It has been this way for almost 2 years since they did away with the AC1 plans and replaced them with AC2.



Posted by: MyPyle

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Originally Posted by bigsho
new vzw plans dont allow any charges for roaming. You are either on VZW's native network...or free roaming on someone elses network. It has been this way for almost 2 years since they did away with the AC1 plans and replaced them with AC2.

Do their phones show anyway of roaming unlike cingular?



Posted by: Eck0

u say vzw and sprint, but t-mobile offers unlimited text. customers are not gonna buy that bull



Posted by: ~X~

You know what the straight answer is?

Cingular makes FAR too much money from text messages and text messaging overage. It increases ARPU and Cingular loves it when kids decide to send out over 6000 text messages a month or so.

Sure they offer different levels with the highest being 3000. But there are people out there that still manage to go over that much. As for the rest of the other customers they spend a lot more on overage with the lower level plans and now that messaging PPU has increased to 15 cents Cingular knows there's even more money to be made.

It may not sense to us but it does to Cingular. There's just more money to be made on data overage then there is to make on a subscription for UNL text messaging.

And if it isn't the straight answer then oh well... that's what I tell customers cuz thats what I honestly think. Cingular is in the business of making money and even the stingiest of customers realize this truth.



Posted by: .7

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Lee
Does Cingular/AT&T offer an unpublished unlimited text? I have a customer who is installing a unit in their bar for their patrons a way of voting, or giving specials/promotions through text messaging. The customers can vote, the bar can send out blast and such. Any ideas?

Thanks!


No they do not, its that simple.



Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by ~X~
You know what the straight answer is?

Cingular makes FAR too much money from text messages and text messaging overage. It increases ARPU and Cingular loves it when kids decide to send out over 6000 text messages a month or so.

Sure they offer different levels with the highest being 3000. But there are people out there that still manage to go over that much. As for the rest of the other customers they spend a lot more on overage with the lower level plans and now that messaging PPU has increased to 15 cents Cingular knows there's even more money to be made.

It may not sense to us but it does to Cingular. There's just more money to be made on data overage then there is to make on a subscription for UNL text messaging.

And if it isn't the straight answer then oh well... that's what I tell customers cuz thats what I honestly think. Cingular is in the business of making money and even the stingiest of customers realize this truth.

Thank you for not drinking the At&t/Cingular Kool-aid, X.



Posted by: droptop97ta

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
Again the reasoning is suspect. We do not offer a plan that 99% of our customers would never utilize even though there is market demand?


I wouldn't really call 1% a market demand there bud....



Posted by: shortdog

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eck0
u say vzw and sprint, but t-mobile offers unlimited text. customers are not gonna buy that bull

And T-Mobile has the smallest national network of the major carriers. Hence, it would also likely have the most roaming.



Posted by: RyanM

"Another answer I have heard is that less than 1 percent of Cingular customers use more than 3000 text per month. I heard this about 8 million net ads ago."


I can see that as a true statement. I think I only used over 2,000 texts maybe 2 months out of my ENTIRE cellular history... maybe 3 months at most, and those were the months I had PROMOTIONAL UNLIMITED from Cingular



Posted by: anubis9278

i heard they are playing around with the idea. i think it will be $99.99/month.......j/k



Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by droptop97ta
I wouldn't really call 1% a market demand there bud....

There is a difference between utilization and demand. How many people ever go 5K nights and weekends? Very few, however the demand for a customer to have the perceived comfort of unlimited nights and weekend was strong. Remember when Cingular only offered 5K nights and weekends? Now they offer unlimited nights and weekends.



Posted by: Plutar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
There is a difference between utilization and demand. How many people ever go 5K nights and weekends? Very few, however the demand for a customer to have the perceived comfort of unlimited nights and weekend was strong. Remember when Cingular only offered 5K nights and weekends? Now they offer unlimited nights and weekends.



That reminds me of a customer who went over 5k n&w by using m2m. It was very difficult for him to grasp the concept of m2m only counting during anytime minutes.



Posted by: blessd24

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
Is that really a official company response? Are customers really suppose to buy that? By that reasoning they would not offer Unlimited mobile to mobile or Nights and weekends. In fact this would cost less confusion among consumers as Cingular has adopted a nationwide no roaming charges stance. Of course its bad for Cingular because they foot the bill for data services when a customer roams. Whether a customer does 1 or 3000 SMS while on a roaming partner Cingular foots the bills, offering an unlimited plan would not cause more confusion but a larger expense for Cingular.


Again the reasoning is suspect. We do not offer a plan that 99% of our customers would never utilize even though there is market demand?


Yep, customers do buy that. 95 percent of the public isn't going to delve in and research everything to the very last point.

The reason I said more confusion is because we would probably limit the amount of texting you get if you are roaming to avoid a bigger bill.

There isn't a market demand for Unlimited Text. That was my point with showing how many uses more than 3000 text per month. It certainly would sound better to just go unlimited though, I wish they would to be honest.



Posted by: blessd24

Quote:
Originally Posted by ~X~
You know what the straight answer is?

Cingular makes FAR too much money from text messages and text messaging overage. It increases ARPU and Cingular loves it when kids decide to send out over 6000 text messages a month or so.

Sure they offer different levels with the highest being 3000. But there are people out there that still manage to go over that much. As for the rest of the other customers they spend a lot more on overage with the lower level plans and now that messaging PPU has increased to 15 cents Cingular knows there's even more money to be made.

It may not sense to us but it does to Cingular. There's just more money to be made on data overage then there is to make on a subscription for UNL text messaging.

And if it isn't the straight answer then oh well... that's what I tell customers cuz thats what I honestly think. Cingular is in the business of making money and even the stingiest of customers realize this truth.



Dang right thats the straight up answer. I just didn't think of it when responding before.



Posted by: psycho-

Quote:
Originally Posted by blessd24
I'll take this one.

Cingular (or the New At&T or whatever) doesn't offer unlimited texting because we don't charge roaming. Verizon and Sprint both do, provided you are in their network. Since Cingular does not want to have to differentiate between roaming and non roaming (outside of extreme instances) they do not offer unlimited text. It really just causes less confusion.

Another answer I have heard is that less than 1 percent of Cingular customers use more than 3000 text per month. I heard this about 8 million net ads ago.



VZW and Sprint both has quite a bit of roaming in random rural areas, and text messaging is included. I Have unlimited text on Sprint, and it doesn't cost me a penny to send out texts on USCC, Alltel, or VZW's networks. VZW doesn't differentiate between texts on and off network either.

There has to be a better answer than this, and I think ~X~ has it right.

There are somethings that cingular does that puzzles me, like charging for landline access to VM. No other mobile company does that.



Posted by: blessd24

Quote:
Originally Posted by psycho-
VZW and Sprint both has quite a bit of roaming in random rural areas, and text messaging is included. I Have unlimited text on Sprint, and it doesn't cost me a penny to send out texts on USCC, Alltel, or VZW's networks. VZW doesn't differentiate between texts on and off network either.

There has to be a better answer than this, and I think ~X~ has it right.

There are somethings that cingular does that puzzles me, like charging for landline access to VM. No other mobile company does that.



Is unlimited text included when roaming? Or is it a limited amount?

What do you mean by charging for landline access? You mean minutes?



Posted by: Plutar

If you're counting minutes you use for calling vm hoping you don't get overage then you just need a bigger rate plan...



Posted by: Eck0

i finally got an answer on saturday through training. The correct answer is that Cingular doesn't offer unlimited text b/c if they offer more than 3k text, it actually starts losing money for Cingular. So basically ~X~ was right. Cingular did research on this and thats why 3k is the limit. They are also trying to push MMS for some reason. cuz in MMS u can send one message and message it to 20 people but still only get charged for one MMS message.



Posted by: cellular_rep_9

put them on the text 3000 and drop it and readd it every month and it will always be unlimited



Posted by: maddenfreak13

Quote:
Originally Posted by cellular_rep_9
put them on the text 3000 and drop it and readd it every month and it will always be unlimited

thats pretty fraudulent, the rep doin that will likely get fired for commissions fraud, if a rep does it, and the account will get flagged if its being done another way and get shut down



Posted by: andy4310

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eck0
u say vzw and sprint, but t-mobile offers unlimited text. customers are not gonna buy that bull


Yea, read your terms and conditions with T-Mobile. When you leave the T-Mobile owned network (which is tiny) your unlimited services go away.

I used to sell for T-Mobile, I saw a customer get a $1500 phone bill for overages when all she was doing was talking to her family members who had T-Mobile on what she thought was unlimited mobile to mobile. T-Mobile refused to credit the charges for her.

I agree though, Cingular should offer Unlimited text messaging... not entirely because its what the customer wants but because it will make them more money because a large amount of people who are on a lower txt package would upgrade just because they want to be sure they can never get txt overages.



Posted by: elushon

Quote:
Originally Posted by cellular_rep_9
put them on the text 3000 and drop it and readd it every month and it will always be unlimited



Please, please, please, PLEASE tell me you don't actually do that?



Posted by: SmokinTrickster

Quote:
Originally Posted by elushon
Please, please, please, PLEASE tell me you don't actually do that?



For real, if you were it'd be better to go with the Media Basic 9.99. You'd pay 50% less and also get unlmited internet every month plus txt



Posted by: iam4161987

What do you mean "Cingular is in the business of making money"... every business is in the business of making money. thats what business is... a way of offering something for a cost. Yes I believe that the reason we do not offer unl text is because the small percentage that does go over (which i suspect is more than 1% but im sure is less then 10) is way to beneficial for cingular. why would you offer something for free that you can charge for?



Posted by: RyanM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokinTrickster
For real, if you were it'd be better to go with the Media Basic 9.99. You'd pay 50% less and also get unlmited internet every month plus txt



I thought each plan works only once?

But guys, lets not do that, ok? Its a good way for Cingular to keep prices high and then not give the first month unlimited. Plus doesnt it seem like a pain?

Pick the plan you want and deal. 3,000 text should be enough for most people, if you go over 3,000 then... deal.



Posted by: cingman66

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokinTrickster
For real, if you were it'd be better to go with the Media Basic 9.99. You'd pay 50% less and also get unlmited internet every month plus txt


Dang, Trickster...you're gonna upset the COR reps with those kinds of statements!!! LOLOLOL



Posted by: cingman66

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
... We do not offer a plan that 99% of our customers would never utilize even though there is market demand?


This is the same "logic" behind why we do not offer a straight up 1000 MSG only plan for $9.99 like we used to. Cingular says that they've done the research and found that only a very small percentage of people would use that package. They would rather have us sell the MB or MW package instead. What they fail to realize (well, actually they realize it but just don't care) is that many people want MSG only, without internet. So we only have the ability to add a 200 MSG for $4.99 or a 3000 MSG for $19.99. I want to know who is doing all this research for Cingular...Helen Keller???

And here's a great new twist that I learned today...Cingular CAN add a $9.99 1000 MSG only plan to a customer's account. WE can't, but THEY can. The SOC code is 4N1X, but retail agents surprisingly don't have access to it. {insert sarcasm here}. Can you see why so many of us agents have bitterness toward the carrier...the playing field IS NOT level and we're sick of it. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.



Posted by: cingman66

Update to the unlimited text saga---check CSP for details, but it looks as though Cingular is going to start offering Unlimited Mobile-to-Mobile Messaging in the Northeast Region as of March 4th. It sounds too good to be true, but it was on CSP this morning.---that is all.



Posted by: leftcoastgsm

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingman66
Dang, Trickster...you're gonna upset the COR reps with those kinds of statements!!! LOLOLOL


What is "LOLOLOL"?



Posted by: holaDude

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingman66
Update to the unlimited text saga---check CSP for details, but it looks as though Cingular is going to start offering Unlimited Mobile-to-Mobile Messaging in the Northeast Region as of March 4th. It sounds too good to be true, but it was on CSP this morning.---that is all.


There are a number of test that are going on, and this is just one of them.



Posted by: cingman66

That's me laughing continuously...picturing steam coming out of COR reps ears as they think about what he's doing. Duh.



Posted by: cingman66

Quote:
Originally Posted by holaDude
There are a number of test that are going on, and this is just one of them.


This is not a test...it's in CSP with a launch date for a reason.



Posted by: CellOne508

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Originally Posted by leftcoastgsm
What is "LOLOLOL"?


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