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Posted by: fulmlitz

Has anyone else seen this phone? It's on HTC's web site and is a WM6 phone which looks like SDA formfactor but then slides to reveal QWERTY keyboard like MDA, has 802.11b/g supports HTML email and u can edit Word and Excel files on the phone.

Wondering if anyone knows when it will be out. Thanks,

Fulmitz

Posted by: cyp2k

Was wondering the same thing, looking to pick this up once it's released. If any dealers on this site will get it in

Posted by: JwY

it was just officially announced. i expect it out in Q2 to around summer.

Posted by: mo98

Yeah, I have been trying to decide between the pearl and blackjack, but then I see the specs on the vox(S710). I will probably wait to see if Cingular decides to carry the phone. Any guesses on an unlocked price online?

Just noticed that engadget has the weight listed at 120g, while htc's website has it listed at 140g.

Posted by: mo98

Not much talk about the S710. Seems like this is the kind of device that would satisfy nokia 6230 and SE w810i users while also satisfying the qwerty people. Looks like a great combination of size and features.

Posted by: sabesh

Looks like an absolute beauty:

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.js...&source=SIDEBAR

Posted by: Limited59

Yeah, I read the Mobile Burn review last night... he has a video too.

Check it out - lots of good info.

Can't wait to get one of these myself! But I think we have a little bit of a wait before they'll become available...

Posted by: goSuperComm.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabesh

Looks like an absolute beauty:

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.js...&source=SIDEBAR

It would be perfect for me if it had GPS

Posted by: capite

Feh. No 3G.

Posted by: captainmicahp

I don't think Cingular will carry it, I think from now on they will only sell Smartphones with 3G (Except for the Iphone), But Tmobile might want to.

Posted by: mo98

It must be hard to put 3G and wifi into a small package, because there are not many small phones that have both.

Posted by: Dster

anyone know if the microSD slot on the S710 is external, or behind the battery?

Posted by: Limited59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dster

anyone know if the microSD slot on the S710 is external, or behind the battery?

The card is under a little flap on the outside. In fact the sim card is accessible without removing the battery too. There is a little door when you slide the keyboard out. Quite cool...

Posted by: captainmicahp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limited59

The card is under a little flap on the outside. In fact the sim card is accessible without removing the battery too. There is a little door when you slide the keyboard out. Quite cool...

Not that I doubt what you are saying is true, but it just seems to good to be true I cant recall ever seeing a phone that had the sim in a place where you could access the sim without removing the battery. That is something all GSM phones should have.

Posted by: Limited59

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Check out the mobile-review.com review... and I think it's in the video too.

Handy feature... although it looked like the phone turned off when he opened the flap.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by fulmlitz

Wondering if anyone knows when it will be out. Thanks,
Fulmitz

I just spoke to a guy at expansys north america, and he says his ETA for selling the Vox is "June or July".

Posted by: cyp2k

wow that is a long time, i am sure they will be available on eBay once they start shipping next month in Europe.

Posted by: madgalaxy

Phonesource-USA has an April 30th availibility date.

Posted by: jon.mills

Quote:

Originally Posted by fulmlitz

Wondering if anyone knows when it will be out. Thanks, Fulmitz

Hey,

I know http://www.devicewire.com have it listed on pre-order.

http://www.devicewire.com/HTC-S710-Vox

It also states : Due for release: 9th April 2007

hth

Jon

Posted by: john1027

Some photos from BGR and a few comments....

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007...boxing-htc-vox/

Egadgetdepot has a comment/post after the article that they will have it on pre-order status at the end of March. I'm still guessing May before we see it but hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Pinnacle

Actually, Engadgetmobile states that it will be for sale on their site by the end of March, with a pre-order page being posted soon.

Posted by: PhoneSourceUSA

HTC gave us an estimate release date. They are talking by the middle of march. Let's see guys :-)

Posted by: mo98

Did HTC give you an estimated price?

Posted by: bocastephen

I negotiated a 5% discount for us from Devicewire as well as the VAT rebate on the phone and shipping. They do not have the phone in stock for sale yet and please do not contact them about the discount. I have the discount code, but don't PM me for it until the phone is officially available on their website and we have a chance to compare pricing with at least a couple US importers - the dollar/pound exchange is horrible now, so it might not be cost effective to buy in GBP vs. the US importer price.

I also contacted dynamism to see if they plan on importing it.

I figured the net cost (after discount and VAT rebate) of importing the phone from the UK is about GBP350, which translates to $685USD.....not cheap.

I doubt Cingular will be importing this phone - TMobile might be a long-shot carrier, but it could be many months away and probably very expensive...just my guess.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

I figured the net cost (after discount and VAT rebate) of importing the phone from the UK is about GBP350, which translates to $685USD.....not cheap.

I'm a little confused -- Devicewire lists £292.49 (Incl. VAT).

Doesn't that mean American importers should be able to get it at around £250.00? I would think that for many-unit shipments, the shipping fees/unit from Taiwan or wherever to America vs. GB would be negligible.

I'm going to hold out for North American expansys (hopefully they were being pessimistic in their ETA).

Posted by: bocastephen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dster

They just adjusted their pricing...it was 309 before...but I think my math was off (no surprise there), so here is another try...

292.49 base
14.62 -5%
58.00 +shipping/handing
61.33 -VAT rebate
-----------
= 274.54 GBP total

I am also making inquiries through a friend to see if the unit can be bought in Taiwan unlocked right now and what the price would be.

Posted by: Dster

hmm.. I'm optimistic that it will be available by North American based suppliers by the beginning of April. If that doesn't happen, I may turn to the U.K. based places.

Posted by: jehlinger

www.negrielectronics.com (no affiliation) has a price of US$468......but a release date of June 15th

I've never bought from them before though so no idea how legit they are. Their prices look pretty good on other phones.

Posted by: bocastephen

This is going to be a pretty big investment either way - and with a very big screen and some chrome trim, I hope we can find suitable protection for this phone.

Since it's new, I doubt any of the 'skins' and screen protector companies have released versions for the S710 yet - unless someone out there has some inside info on a company that does?

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Yeah-- I am looking forward to this phone-- may sell my Blackjack and get this if the price is right. If only it had 3G it would be a killer! Oh well. Supposedly the device has a plastic covering over the screen that keeps dust off the screen. Read here:

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/re...tc-vox-en.shtml

Posted by: mo98

So, I need a good guess for the price range of this phone in US dollars.

Sounds like $500+, is that right? I hope it is closer to $400. (I'm talking about an unlocked phone without a plan)

Posted by: fishera

Does anyone know if it will work with T-Mobile T-Zones? I use T-Zones on my Dash, so I am assuming it will work on the HTC S710.

I will be ditching my Treo 650 for this. Hope it works out.

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by mo98

So, I need a good guess for the price range of this phone in US dollars.

Sounds like $500+, is that right? I hope it is closer to $400. (I'm talking about an unlocked phone without a plan)

it will always be expensive when it first comes out and drop from there. in the first few weeks, it should be over $500 unless a provider picks it up at the same time which would reduce costs. it will drop from there.

Posted by: Kid1972

Why go with the 710 when the 730 is better?!

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=728

Posted by: fishera

Why...

it looks as big if not bigger then the T-Mobile MDA.

I want something T-Mobile SDA size, fully packed features. Im sick of something as large as a brick (Treo 650)

Posted by: fishera

my bad. it is about the same size.

can't be used on t-mobile's 3G network, not worth it.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid1972

Why go with the 710 when the 730 is better?!

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=728

Let me generalize the form of this comment:

Why buy x? y will be available in six months, and be better.

S710 is expected to be widely available/shipped April 1 or thereabouts. S730 has a "release date" of July, which suggests widespread availability in September. OK, that's about 5 months.

For those saying that the initial release is too expensive, I'm a little surprised. It matches the S620 in every way, EXCEPT it is

-smaller
-has a better camera
-has a longer lasting battery
-looks like a phone, not a geek-tool (don't get me wrong, I carried around a blue angel/SX66 for a couple of years.)

And, it will retail only slightly above the price of a new S620, months AFTER the S620 was released!

(yes, I already have my order in for the S710)

Posted by: bocastephen

Does the 730 have the right frequency mix to pull 3G from Cingular?

If so, I would probably get the 710 now, then sell it next fall when the 730 has been out and reported stable.

Posted by: CJones

I really like the s710, but I'm not sure if I can do without the touch screen. Has anybody gone from touchscreen to non touchscreen provide some comments on how your transisition went?

The form factor of the phone is great, the features of the s730 is better. I can't use the 3g on it in my area so that's not a deal breaker for me.

Posted by: bocastephen

I am seeing the S710 popping up on a few more websites that sell imported phones, but their pricing is just whacked! One ridiculous site has it for $600!

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJones

I really like the s710, but I'm not sure if I can do without the touch screen. Has anybody gone from touchscreen to non touchscreen provide some comments on how your transisition went?

The form factor of the phone is great, the features of the s730 is better. I can't use the 3g on it in my area so that's not a deal breaker for me.

i posted a comparison somewhere in the ppc forums. it comes down to how you use the device.

Posted by: fishera

I went from a Nokia N-Gage to a Treo 650, no-touch to touch screen...

honestly, i barley use it. doodle, to lazy to press down on th keypad, thats about it.

im ready for a regular smartphone with no touch screen.

Posted by: Kid1972

s710 is strictly an EDGE device. s730 looks better and is HSDPA. Welcome to 2007 s730.

-K

Posted by: fishera

I think the s730 will work on Cingular's 3G bands... it does have 850MHz and 2100MHz if I am correct.

For all I know, T-Mobile US is launching is 1700MHz and then later adding 850MHz. Zero devices use the 1700MHz right now.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid1972

s710 is strictly an EDGE device. s730 looks better and is HSDPA. Welcome to 2007 s730.

-K

1. Some of us live in Canada, land of no unlimited data plans ($100 for 200 MB is the best I can do right now.) So, I plan on using my next phone entirely with wifi for data, no cell phone data.

2. Is there a device available NOW that you prefer more than the S710?

3. Hey -- I think I saw a thread somewhere on the S730. Oh wait, maybe not, why don't you start one?

"-D"

By the way, the Expansys Canada price for the S710 went down $10. I called, and they made me up a new invoice immediately.

Posted by: bocastephen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dster

...By the way, the Expansys Canada price for the S710 went down $10. I called, and they made me up a new invoice immediately.

What is their new price? I wonder if they will they charge Canadian taxes if the phone is being shipped to the US.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

What is their new price? I wonder if they will they charge Canadian taxes if the phone is being shipped to the US.

Expansys has country-specific websites that quote prices for that country, including all taxes, for that country.

In fact, Canadian orders are shipped from Illinois. They have an arrangement by which they avoid duties for products entering Canada by charging taxes at point of sale.

Yes, I did call them and ask them about this.

Here is the link to the American Expansys site for the S710 -- price of $444.95 USD plus shipping.

http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=146741

Posted by: Kid1972

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dster

1. I'd never buy a device that doesn't have the most current technology available. Who knows how long you'll keep it or how soon your carrier will take advantage of it. I bought my Wizard well over a year ago and I'm still using it. I still love it!

2. Available now? Oh yah... the s620 is a great device. My PPC favorite is the Kaiser but it's not out yet either. So for PPC, the TyTN, hands down.

3. s730 thread? No thanks. Most posts will look like: "How much?" "when's it going to be announced?" "I like/don't like the looks of it" over and over again. Nothing comes out of that.

-K

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid1972

Nothing comes out of that.

Amen.

I'm done feeding this troll.

Posted by: fishera

im gonna wait as it is only a month from now, but does anyone know of any other phones with a similar form factor of the s710? it looks like a new design for phones.

Posted by: john1027

The exist in the ppc platform but not in the sp platform. The Hermes line (TyTn, 8125, 8525, etc.) all have slide out keyboards. The 710 will be the first in the sp line-up.

Posted by: etphonehome2005

I think what they mean is the functionality of the phone (ie buttons & look of a phone) but with a slide out keyboard. & I believe I saw that samsung was about to release one similar to the 710. It was kind of funny looking but cool...if that makes any kind of sense at all!?!?!?! The 730 is exactly what I'm looking for, but I may give the 710 a try in the mean time.

Posted by: GadgetTravel

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

The exist in the ppc platform but not in the sp platform. The Hermes line (TyTn, 8125, 8525, etc.) all have slide out keyboards. The 710 will be the first in the sp line-up.

Not really, the Hermes et al dont have a phone keypad on the front. The Nokia 9300 series is like this, with a phone keypad on the front and opening to a full keyboard inside.

Posted by: john1027

You are right --I was thinking only about the sliding keyboard. I didn't think about Nokia because I again assumed the op was looking for wm; that might have been a wrong assumption also.

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

You are right --I was thinking only about the sliding keyboard. I didn't think about Nokia because I again assumed the op was looking for wm; that might have been a wrong assumption also.

htc should make one since it will make dialing a lot easier. if they had a small profile ppc like the vox/wings or even a bit bigger, i'd seriously consider getting it.

Posted by: fishera

JwY, what exactly do you mean?

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishera

JwY, what exactly do you mean?

i mean that i hope htc will make a ppc with a numberpad in addition to the slide out keyboard. i personally find using a touchscreen more difficult to dial with.

Posted by: fishera

correct me if i am misunderstanding...

the htc s710 and htc s730 have a numberpad and a slide out keyboard. unless u mean, touchscreen, numberpad, and slide out keyboard, if so, i wish too. lol

can anyone explain the internet calling feature to me? as i understand it, i have wifi, i recieve a call, it uses the internet instead of cell min? i dunno really. thanks

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishera

correct me if i am misunderstanding...

the htc s710 and htc s730 have a numberpad and a slide out keyboard. unless u mean, touchscreen, numberpad, and slide out keyboard, if so, i wish too. lol

can anyone explain the internet calling feature to me? as i understand it, i have wifi, i recieve a call, it uses the internet instead of cell min? i dunno really. thanks

well the s710 and 730 are smartphones rather than ppc. so far they have not shown anything in their lineup that's ppc with that exact form.

you're talking about voip such as skype. you could probably look up on it, but i don't use it, so i can't help much more than that.

Posted by: Holishi

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishera

can anyone explain the internet calling feature to me? as i understand it, i have wifi, i recieve a call, it uses the internet instead of cell min? i dunno really. thanks

internet calling doesn't use up your airtime minutes. It's purely data.

Posted by: fishera

yes but Windows Mobile 6 has built in SIP. I am wondering what you would need to do to get it to work?

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishera

yes but Windows Mobile 6 has built in SIP. I am wondering what you would need to do to get it to work?

I found a comment here :

Quote:

the story with VoIP and Windows Mobile 6 is that the SIP is locked in. VoIP is only possible if the OEM/Operators enable it, thus giving them a chance to lock it to a particular SIP (no doubt through a partnership that involves monetization).

Posted by: fishera

Oh alright. So it could be used with UMA service for example. T-Mobile is pushing for that right now.

If I were to buy the non-carrier edition (unlocked, unbranded) and T-Mobile were to launch it later with UMA, would I be able to take advantage of that feature?

Posted by: bocastephen

Is anyone still waiting to get their hands on one of these phones?

Posted by: Limited59

Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

Is anyone still waiting to get their hands on one of these phones?

Uh yeah... does anyone actually have one yet? All I've seen are test units used in reviews...

Posted by: Dster

The word is 2 more weeks or so. I don't know if I can wait that long!

Posted by: jszklarek

Cnet UK has a review of the s710 here

I'm in po-dunk Indiana, so the 3G doesn't matter to me. Where should I buy an unlocked version?

Posted by: fishera

I saw a beta unit on ebay the other day. $900 is too much for me to not wait, ill wait the two weeks.

Where is everyone else ordering them? I need to look around for the best prices, as I will wait till the day it is released to order mine. Thanks... I can't wait! My Treo is going in the closet and not coming out for a long long time lol, or selling it, cant decide yet.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishera

I saw a beta unit on ebay the other day. $900 is too much for me to not wait, ill wait the two weeks.

Where is everyone else ordering them? I need to look around for the best prices, as I will wait till the day it is released to order mine. Thanks... I can't wait! My Treo is going in the closet and not coming out for a long long time lol, or selling it, cant decide yet.

Looked on Ebay, didn't see anything. I'm buying from the Canadian expansys site. I've heard good reports about expansys/mobileplanet, their prices are consistently competitive, and their shipping is reasonable. Their ETA just went up today, states April 22.

Posted by: indiglo

I have had my S710 for a few weeks now. Very small and well built phone. Anyone with big hands might want to stay away though as the keys are small. The DPad is very small and sometimes hard to pick one direction. The phone is about the size of the Nokia 8890, just a little bigger. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a small smartphone.

To the person that needs it for wifi only vs. data - the wifi is great on this phone. Best I have used in awhile. Range is better than my pocket PC's and I dont have any problems with connecting. Would highly recommend it for that reason.

Posted by: tom1234

hi, Indiglo can i ask you where did you buy your s710 from,

Posted by: Limited59

Quote:

Originally Posted by indiglo

I have had my S710 for a few weeks now. Very small and well built phone. Anyone with big hands might want to stay away though as the keys are small. The DPad is very small and sometimes hard to pick one direction. The phone is about the size of the Nokia 8890, just a little bigger. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a small smartphone.

To the person that needs it for wifi only vs. data - the wifi is great on this phone. Best I have used in awhile. Range is better than my pocket PC's and I dont have any problems with connecting. Would highly recommend it for that reason.

The outside keys are small? But certainly the inside keys are better than say, an Excalibur, right?

It seems a bit laggy on the videos of it I've seen (although I believe the software is beta) is it a bit slow to you?

Thanks,

Posted by: indiglo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limited59

The outside keys are fine. As mentioned before the D-Pad is not though. Very small to be functional. Never used an Excalibur before so I cant compare. I come from a PPC and the keys are bigger so it could be just me. Maybe others are used to it, so it wont be a big deal.

Its not slow for me. I do have the latest ROM in it, so that could be another reason also. I expected it to be slower and was surprised that its a little quicker than I expected. I was mostly surprised by the size and build of this device. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a small device with Windows Mobile.

I got it from Smart Mobile Gadgets but I believe he sold all of his already. I would check though as I heard he got another one in.

Posted by: robo_kirby

ugh, anyone know where i could get one? haveing a hard time finding one..

Posted by: fishera

Im sorry to say. I stopped by the Palm Retail Store today... i've been taken. I purchased a Palm Treo 680 unlocked. Sorry all, I guess im a Palm OS guy at heart.

Posted by: madgalaxy

Quote:

Originally Posted by robo_kirby

ugh, anyone know where i could get one? haveing a hard time finding one..

I do not think we will see significant quantities until late April, early May. If I do pick one up it will probably be this summer, just so I can see what everyone is saying about them!

Posted by: bocastephen

Quote:

Originally Posted by indiglo

...Its not slow for me. I do have the latest ROM in it, so that could be another reason also. I expected it to be slower and was surprised that its a little quicker than I expected. I was mostly surprised by the size and build of this device. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a small device with Windows Mobile.

I got it from Smart Mobile Gadgets but I believe he sold all of his already. I would check though as I heard he got another one in.

Were you using it on Cingular? How was the EDGE speed for web browsing? Was it easy to configure?

Posted by: ChInEsE ChIcKeN

on most sites it says its comming out march or either ""comming soon""" but hopefully it would release during the mid 2007 quarter

Posted by: rajr

Did anyone notice that Expancies announced that they will have it in stock on April 22

Posted by: Heli_Dawg

egadgetdepot extended their tentative shipping date from April 16th to April 25th.

I called bargainoffers.com to find out if they had any in stock and they said they had all ready sold and shipped a small number of the fones that they got in and were expecting more sometime this week -- I am not sure if I believe the guy on the fone, but I don't know maybe he wasn't jerking me around - anybody hear of anyone here getting one from bargainoffers????

Posted by: Fate.TW

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajr

Did anyone notice that Expancies announced that they will have it in stock on April 22

Not so sure I really believe that. How many shipping companies do you know deliver on Sundays?

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fate.TW

Not so sure I really believe that. How many shipping companies do you know deliver on Sundays?

The Canadian dates seem to be tied to the British Expansys arrival dates, but with a "+2" added.

I guess the programmer was too lazy to program two business days instead of two calendar days.

Posted by: quiquedcode

Does any1 know where I can find some comparatives between the dash and S710 ?
I'd go with S710, but maybe dash has more power, speed, etc.

Thanks

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiquedcode

I'd go with S710, but maybe dash has more power, speed, etc.

Thanks

You may want to try teh google.

Or pdadb.

Ok, fine, I'll just tell you.

They use exactly the same chip.

Posted by: quiquedcode

It seems dash is quicker, due its cpu clock
dash supports HSDPA, pdadb shows that s710 doesn't
dash has gps

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...id1=533&id2=679

damn, i'm little confused
I like S710 look very much, and I like the fact that it has the common 12 keys keyboard, I like also the qwerty plus, but well, it seems dash has more nice features...

Should I go with dash, am I right ?

Posted by: Limited59

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiquedcode

It seems dash is quicker, due its cpu clock
dash supports HSDPA, pdadb shows that s710 doesn't
dash has gps

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...id1=533&id2=679

damn, i'm little confused
I like S710 look very much, and I like the fact that it has the common 12 keys keyboard, I like also the qwerty plus, but well, it seems dash has more nice features...

Should I go with dash, am I right ?

Hold on there... they have the same 201 MHz CPU, the Dash does NOT have HSDPA and the Dash does NOT have GPS either.

You must have been comparing the wrong phones! The specs for the two devices are very similar, save for the newer operating system in the S710 and the 2.0 MP camera also on the S710.

Posted by: quiquedcode

oohh
it seems you're right Limited59
I think I was comparing the wrong phones, but:

As I can see in that comparison, the HTC P3600 is much better than the S710, except that S710 has WM6, right ?

Posted by: Limited59

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiquedcode

oohh
it seems you're right Limited59
I think I was comparing the wrong phones, but:

As I can see in that comparison, the HTC P3600 is much better than the S710, except that S710 has WM6, right ?

Apples and oranges. The P3600 is a Pocket PC phone, while the S710 is a smartphone! The S710 doesn't have a touch screen, if you didn't notice.

I have a feeling it's much smaller than it looks in the pictures. I have the S310 Oxygen and the specs for the S710 say it's shorter and narrower, and the S310 is already tiny.

Posted by: quiquedcode

Please kill my ignorance again

What's the difference between a Pocket PC phone and a smartphone ?

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiquedcode

Please kill my ignorance again

What's the difference between a Pocket PC phone and a smartphone ?

Here's how you can kill it yourself:

click me or click me

Posted by: Limited59

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiquedcode

Please kill my ignorance again

What's the difference between a Pocket PC phone and a smartphone ?

Well the lines are getting blurred more and more with the release of WM6. The most obvious difference between the two is the touch screen. Until WM6 you couldn't edit Office documents either. Smartphone was kind of the less able operating system, but still retains the ability to sync with Windows.

I'm sure someone will chime in with other differences.

Posted by: quiquedcode

Great !
Thanks guys for your help

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limited59

I have a feeling it's much smaller than it looks in the pictures. I have the S310 Oxygen and the specs for the S710 say it's shorter and narrower, and the S310 is already tiny.

That's good news -- I was thinking about the S310, but decided to wait when I heard about the S710.

I'm not very confident that the S710 will be smaller than the S310. Based on the specs out there it's about 95% of the volume, but if you compare head on pics, you can see that the S310 is much more tapered.

I think that when they publish specs, they give you the largest measurement along each of the three dimensions.

According to Expansys, it's only 10 days away!

Posted by: indiglo

The S710 is smaller than it looks. It feels like I am holding a Nokia 8890, just heavier, which is a good thing.

Posted by: C_Topher

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiquedcode

Please kill my ignorance again

What's the difference between a Pocket PC phone and a smartphone ?

There are many programs that are written for the Pocket PC platform that will not run on the Smartphone platform. Does this change with the WM 6 - i.e., will all programs run on WM 6 Standard and Professional similarly?

Posted by: Odie

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Originally Posted by Dster

According to Expansys, it's only 10 days away!

Expansys UK now show 1 day, i.e it should (might?) be in stock tomorrow for dispatch.

I have already got a pre-order in at PoweredUpMobile for the phone at £259.99, which is a fair bit cheaper than any of the other suppliers, but they are still showing a stock date of the 20th of April (others are showing either the 25th or 29th).

If Expansys do in fact get stock in tomorrow I might be tempted to pay the extra ~£40 and get it from them, they're a bigger company than PowerUpMobile as well so perhaps support might be a bit better.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odie

If Expansys do in fact get stock in tomorrow I might be tempted to pay the extra ~£40 and get it from them, they're a bigger company than PowerUpMobile as well so perhaps support might be a bit better.

I take it you're ordering to the U.K.?

The price to get the S710 delivered in Canada from Expansys.ca, including taxes, with the exchange rate comes to ~£253 plus shipping.

Posted by: Dster

anyone planning on using GPS with this phone?

I was interested in Copilot, but the folks there told me that their existing version won't run at all on WM6, and that it will be a couple of months before their new version comes out.

Posted by: quiquedcode

does S710 have GPS ?

Posted by: Dster

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Originally Posted by quiquedcode

does S710 have GPS ?

I really try to be nice to people on howardforums who clearly haven't done any searches at all prior to posting, but I don't think my patience can handle much more of this.

No, the S710 does NOT HAVE built in GPS. If you want to use GPS with it you must have a separate GPS receiver and install your own software.

Posted by: quiquedcode

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dster

No, the S710 does NOT HAVE built in GPS. If you want to use GPS with it you must have a separate GPS receiver and install your own software.

then why u put this ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dster

anyone planning on using GPS with this phone?

at least you should explain something for the newbies like me

Posted by: Dster

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Originally Posted by quiquedcode

then why u put this ?

Hmm. Maybe because I will be using GPS with my phone.

anyways, the expansys web site JUST posted a whole pile of new pics I've never seen -- click on the thumbnail, or just click here.

Posted by: bocastephen

The phone will do GPS without an external antenna or extra software if your carrier has that function bundled with their web access.

For example, Sprint offers a full featured GPS system with turn-by-turn directions through their web service for an extra $5 a month.

The S710 works with TMobile or Cingular and supports EDGE, so it would depend on either of those providers offering the same feature as Sprint. I can't say either way if they do or do not, since I'm not a customer yet.

It might be abit painful with EDGE, but you can always upgrade to the 3G supported S730 in the fall after wetting your whistle on the 710.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

The phone will do GPS without an external antenna or extra software if your carrier has that function bundled with their web access.

For example, Sprint offers a full featured GPS system with turn-by-turn directions through their web service for an extra $5 a month.

The S710 works with TMobile or Cingular and supports EDGE, so it would depend on either of those providers offering the same feature as Sprint. I can't say either way if they do or do not, since I'm not a customer yet.

It might be abit painful with EDGE, but you can always upgrade to the 3G supported S730 in the fall after wetting your whistle on the 710.

You are mistaken.

GPS requires a receiver to detect signals transmitted from satellites in outer space.

S710 has no such receiver.

In order to use GPS, and I don't care if it involves web access for the software, you must have a receiver chip. Many Nextel and Sprint phones have a GPS receiver built in. The S710 does not.

Posted by: bocastephen

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Originally Posted by Dster

I am not mistaken. The Sprint system uses the phone's localization feature which is the same function that tells emergency response people where you are based on some type of signal triangulation. It is not GPS-from-space, but a ground based system with pretty much the same features - as long as you're on their data network, you have the moving map, turn-by-turn directions and locate-the-closest-whatever. I saw someone use the feature on Verizon with their RAZR and no special software, antenna or hardware add-on and it even spoke in the same female voice as the Hertz Neverlost units.

As to whether or not the same feature is available on Cingular or TMobile, I can't answer that - but there is no mistake here, the Sprint feature is supported on all their PowerVision phones without any external hardware or special phone chip.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

I'm sorry -- you really are wrong.

The Verizon service is called "VZNavigator". It only works with GPS-enabled phones. There is a version of the Razr that is GPS-enabled with Verizon.

Same goes for Sprint.

Verizon and Sprint are being a little bit sneaky: they are rolling out GPS enabled phones, but only advertising the software.

Edit: "CDMA networks such as Verizon Wireless and Sprint PCS tend to use handset-based radiolocation technologies, which are technically more similar to radionavigation. GPS is one of those technologies." --from Wikipedia article on enhanced 911.

I gather that GSM networks could, eventually, support either handset-based radiolocation (requiring non-GPS hardware in the phone), or base station radiolocation, for navigation purposes. I'm not aware of either being offered in the North America.

The upshot of this for the S710 is that if you want navigation, you must, at present, get yourself an external GPS receiver.

Posted by: bocastephen

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Originally Posted by Dster

I just got off the phone with Sprint support and they said the Nav package will work with any PowerVision phone. The phone does not need to be GPS enabled, only able to access the EVDO network.

Then I did more research and found out that all phones sold in the US must have AGPS installed on them for emergency localization, which is different than a GPS receiver, but the phone company can use the same data for other services (like driving directions)...I called HTC, but no one could tell me if the S710 does or does not have AGPS installed on it.

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

I just got off the phone with Sprint support and they said the Nav package will work with any PowerVision phone. The phone does not need to be GPS enabled, only able to access the EVDO network.

Here's the important question: what distinguishes a PowerVision from a non-PowerVision phone? It is it some hardware property of the phone OTHER than having EVDO? Of course, for the S710, the answer doesn't matter, since it doesn't have EVDO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

Then I did more research and found out that all phones sold in the US must have AGPS installed on them for emergency localization, which is different than a GPS receiver, but the phone company can use the same data for other services (like driving directions)...I called HTC, but no one could tell me if the S710 does or does not have AGPS installed on it.

You are only partly correct about AGPS. AGPS uses the same satellites as GPS, but with added telemetry provided by cell phone towers.

The requirement in the U.S. you are talking about is "E911", or "Enhanced 911" service.

Yes, this can be accomplished without GPS satellites.

I am unaware of any GSM cell provider in North America that uses its E911 technology to provide navigation service to end users. For example, Cingular specifies explicitly that you need to buy a bluetooth GPS device if you want their $9.99 monthly navigation service and your device doesn't have a built in GPS receiver.

So -- the point remains. Even though Cingular can, in an emergency, locate your S710, you will need a separate GPS receiver for navigation purposes.

Edit: I've been poking around the Sprint site, and it seems to me that the so-called PowerVision phones do have hardware GPS support built in, and it is not E911 technology that lets them provide navigation service.

Posted by: woodsk

Tier 1 CDMA carriers (sprint Verizon) use a handset based location system generically called AGPS (Assisted GPS) to satisfy the FCC E911 mandate. All phones provided by these carriers included a GPS receiver. It is up to the device mfg and carrier to determine if they choose to include the ability for apps to use the location data.

a generic description of how AGPS works - a stand alone GPS receiver aquires data from mutiple orbital satellites based on the data such as time differences, and Geometric Dilution Of Precision it will calculate a position using a base coordinate system or datum (the AGPS mfgs typically use WGS84). AGPS differs in that instead of the receiver in the phone preforming these calculations it only collects the data from the satellites and a central processor (typically called an SMLC) will process the data and calculate the position. this data is then passed to the PSAP (911 operator) through an interface called an MPC wich determines which PSAP the call should be routed to .
There are multiple manufactures of this equipment, all have distinct methods of preforming these basic tasks but the concept of AGPS is the same throughout. AGPS lends it's self very well to location based services because of the ability to process large amounts of locations simultaneously.

Tier 1 GSM carriers (Cingular, ATT TMO) use a network based technology called Time Difference of Arrival (TDOA) to satisfy the E911 requirement.

Generic description of TDOA - TDOA requires no handset assistance and works solely on the principal of a signal arriving at multiple locations and through examining the TDOA between the locations extrapolating where the signal originated. this of course the installation of a RX and timing device at each cell site. and a central processor to collect the data and calculate the location. after the location is calculated the process is the same as AGPS. TDOA as implemented by the carriers does not work for location based services, this is due to implementing system that does not have the processing capacity at the cell sites to handle a large enough location volume. (TDOA as a technology works very well for this however the the carriers in question specifically reduced the capability of the product they purchased in order to reduce the cost, in this case 10s of millions) which is why cingular and TMO do not offer location services like sprint and verizon.

each technology has it's strong and weak points but basically TDOA works well everywhere except very rural areas, and AGPS works well everywhere except dense urban areas.

the twist is that TDOA as been rejected for UMTS, therefore all 911 calls placed on a UMTS channel are currently being handed off to a GSM traffic channel so a location can be preformed. Due to this TMO and Cingular are currently deploying AGPS systems that will eventually be the location platform for the UMTS network. Then we will begin seeing location based services being offered by TMO and Cing.

There is only one manufacture of TDOA equipment. Since then have no other products this is not a good time for them

Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodsk

Tier 1 CDMA carriers (sprint Verizon) use a handset based location system generically called AGPS (Assisted GPS) to satisfy the FCC E911 mandate. All phones provided by these carriers included a GPS receiver. It is up to the device mfg and carrier to determine if they choose to include the ability for apps to use the location data.

a generic description of how AGPS works...

Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion

thanks -- I read all of this on wikipedia, but didn't think the techy details were relevant to issues concerning the S710. I will assume the conclusions I reached above were correct concerning this phone .

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

How do you all think the S710 and it's landscape/portrait screen will work with Slingbox? That's the deciding factor for me at this point. If Slingbox Mobile isn't going to show up right, that's a deal breaker for me.

Posted by: Limited59

The Expansys sites now list the phone to be available on the 3rd to the 5th of May, instead of the 23 of April. Hopefully it's half way realistic... I can't wait to get this phone!

Posted by: Dster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limited59

I can't wait to get this phone!

I'm with you. I think the new pictures that are up, with the white keypad, look even better -- more like the S720 CDMA version.

Posted by: hkwng99

since Rogers is selling the HTC s621 now, will it carry the S710?

Posted by: Limited59

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Originally Posted by hkwng99

since Rogers is selling the HTC s621 now, will it carry the S710?

I doubt anyone here could answer that. HTC has said no North American carriers have picked it up though. The Excalibur was out for a year before Rogers picked it up anyway, it probably wouldn't be any different here if they wanted this one.

Posted by: Fate.TW

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkwng99

since Rogers is selling the HTC s621 now, will it carry the S710?

It's not looking very promising. That being said, if Telus has success with the S720, I'm sure Rogers will look at it again. Might have to get it from some place like expansys. I think that's what I'm going to end up doing.

Posted by: JwY

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Originally Posted by Limited59

Yeah, it will probably be a long process. The Tytn is still not out yet.

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Check out this video of Windows Mobile 6- they show the Vox briefly

http://www.on10.net/Blogs/laura/win...bile-6-is-here/

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Oh yeah- you can now BUY the S710 from a French website! They have them in stock (if you can handle an AZERTY keyboard)

http://www.bluetrade.eu/index.php?page=product&id=8664

Posted by: najs.n.kewl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limited59

Just had to.. couldn't help it lol
There's a very nice comparison chart here ( it is in pdf ) http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/attachment/1904298.ashx

I personly like the smart search in sms messages... very handy.
I'm not shure, but i don't think the older version was able to do all this screen rotation thing either...

Posted by: 4mynikka

GOT ONE today for my brother this phone is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Oldfox

I really want this phone, but in one of the first detailed reviews done on the phone, a review I believe cited in this thread, the reviewer related that the prototype speaker volume, both in the handset and for the speakerphone was really low. He said that if you are outdoors or in a busy environment it is tough to hear.

This does not seem to cconcern the forum members as I have not seen anyone voice this concern after I read thru the entire 9 pages of this thread. Does not it pose a problem.

Now, I am currently using a blackberry where volume hacks are available to correct the low volume of the headset and speakerphone. I am not familiar with the HTC phones. For their other phones, have people been able to come up with hacks to increase volume. Do you think someone will come up with such a hack for the 710. If so, I am purchasing the phone now.

For those who have experience with this phone and with other HTC phones and the hackability of their phones, please advise

Posted by: DerekToronto

I just got one from evilgabbie last night. This phone is 9/10 in my book! Only -1 point for not HSDPA. Thats all. Solid bulid, slider is great, keys have a springy hard feedback, almost zero wash out under the sun, ring volume is loud, ear volume is above average, (like K790a with the new fw) fairly quick shutter speed camera.

I got Tom Tom install but it needs a ext. receiver.

added: oh one nice little thing i like is the wifi finder. It makes a chirp when it finds an access point.

MSN: In today's screen it displays and scrolls much more info than before. (I really really like this today screen!)

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Nice! Can anyone report how this device will work with SlingPlayer mobile in landscape mode?

And any word on the battery life?? How is it holding up?

Posted by: Oldfox

DerekToronto

Please speak more to the headset and speakerphone volume, because it was revuewed as poor in the revuew of the prototype. do you have to strain to hear either

Posted by: DerekToronto

headset? you mean ear volume or bluetooth? (because i did mention the ear volume was good.)

Speakerphone is fine in the mall..just not foodcourt area at lunch time. (Not too many phones can handle that anyways.) At max volume it sounds like the speaker can't hand it.

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Originally Posted by Oldfox

DerekToronto

Please speak more to the headset and speakerphone volume, because it was revuewed as poor in the revuew of the prototype. do you have to strain to hear either

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Check out the homesceen on one of these Vox pics!

http://news.sina.com.tw/tech/sinacn...938132698.shtml

Posted by: jehlinger

Got mine today. Battery came almost fully charged which is nice. Very solid feel, good keyboard spacing, but I'm still getting used to it.

Seems snappy, considerably more available memory than on the S620, about 22k.

RF performance not quite as good as the S620 IMO, but it's early....

Posted by: themtlkid

hey

Im in Montreal Canada....can anyone tell me where I can find one....locally or close by would be great...

if you can't post it here can you please pm me...

thx for your help...can't wait to get this phone....

Posted by: invinceabl

if you go to http://www.superiorgadgets.com this website has the S710 model. You can find the amercian or canadian price.

Posted by: 1point8T

to the people who have the phone how is the keyboard?

how is the typing with only 3 rows of keys instead of 4 rows(like the dash or treo)

Posted by: quiquedcode

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1point8T

how is the typing with only 3 rows of keys instead of 4 rows(like the dash or treo)

I think it should be better, coz it mimics the PC keyboard

and well, I think there are not so much people that have the phone yet (hope to be wrong)

Posted by: jehlinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1point8T

to the people who have the phone how is the keyboard?

how is the typing with only 3 rows of keys instead of 4 rows(like the dash or treo)

It takes a little getting used to. Although there is good spacing between the keys, they're a little out of place IMO. This morning I had to hunt to find the apostrophe, gave up and hit the symbol key (2 keystrokes) then found it later bottom right where the right arrow key is

Having the zero # and * keys over to the left of the other numbers instead of under is going to take some getting used to.

I have to retract a little on the RF performance, it looks now to be on par with S620 and other phones.

Posted by: xspeedy

So this phone will work with regular old school GPRS for Internet with Cingular Blue? I don't have the high speed (expensive) data plan that is for use with the Cingular issue Blackberrys and other PDA products.

I'm very interested in getting this phone if it does.

Posted by: mikemj23

Just got one today. Have it set up with the Cingular Smartphone Connect Plan for $19.99. I am using Microsoft Exchange Push and everything is working awesome.

Keyboard is very tactile but will take some getting used to (no different than getting used to a blackberry or Blackjack as I have had both).

Screen is awesome

Will post more info. after a couple hours of use.

Posted by: Oldfox

mikemj23:

I am curious to your impression of the ear volume as well as the speakerphone volume. Since you have had a lackberry, you know that both volumes are excellent. I am hoping that is the case with the HTC 710.

Posted by: hkwng99

anyone of you lucky S710 Vox owners has run TomTom GPS (or any other GPS programs) on the S710 with an external bluetooth GPS receiver?? Thx. in adv.

Posted by: mikemj23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldfox

mikemj23:

I am curious to your impression of the ear volume as well as the speakerphone volume. Since you have had a lackberry, you know that both volumes are excellent. I am hoping that is the case with the HTC 710.

Oldfox,

Earpiece and speakerphone volume seem good so far. My BB 8800 earpiece volume bordered on being too loud at times, so I don't think it will get to that level, but so far the volume seems quite adequate. The speakerphone is also quite good IMO.

Posted by: Oldfox

Thanks Mike

Posted by: rajr

Has anyone heard anything about this phone being picked up in the US?

Posted by: etphonehome2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajr

Has anyone heard anything about this phone being picked up in the US?

nope, but mine just shipped from mobile planet!

Cingular, oops I'm sorry, THE NEW AT&T will probably pick it up two years from now! I waited forever on the 8525 & 750, I'm not going to do that on this one.
now if Friday will just hurry up & get here!

Posted by: rajr

Well I hope not cuz I love this phone but I am not in the position to spring 500 bucks for it. I might as well just get an iPhone then

Posted by: DerekToronto

Come on..just buy it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldfox

Thanks Mike

Posted by: WorldIRC

Just got mine yesterday from Evilgabbie. Size is great...RF and Sound are great!

Posted by: john1027

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajr

Has anyone heard anything about this phone being picked up in the US?

Plenty of speculation but nothing concrete. There is a post over in the cingular/smartphone forum that indicates cingualr will roll out a slding keybd model later this summer but speculation is that it would be the S730 or wings successor to the vox.

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldIRC

Just got mine yesterday from Evilgabbie. Size is great...RF and Sound are great!

Are you really beating carsmovies now?

Posted by: bocastephen

To those few who have one in-hand...are you using it on Cingular? If so, how is the EDGE speed with the phone? The decision to get a S710 was a no-brainer for me, but now I have temporary speed relief with a Sprint EVDO Moto Q, I am wondering if it's worthwhile to wait a few months for the S730 with fast 3G before making the big switch.

Posted by: WorldIRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by JwY

Are you really beating carsmovies now?

HAH You're funny! :P

Posted by: rperalta

Quote:

Originally Posted by etphonehome2005

nope, but mine just shipped from mobile planet!

I thought Mobile Planet says available on May 5th, 2007.

Posted by: etphonehome2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by rperalta

I thought Mobile Planet says available on May 5th, 2007.

it does, but I ordered mine about two weeks ago & I received an email stating that it shipped & should be here Friday.
maybe thats when they are expecting their next shipment or they are just under promising & over delivering.
not sure....

Posted by: wendo

Just received my S710 from Smart Mobile Gadgets (http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/index.php) last night. (Great service from them too. Highly recommended.)

Anyway, I have T-mobile and can't seem to get the Internet working. Anyone here using T-mobile and have internet working? Suggestions?

Thanks!

Posted by: Xenious

Quote:

Originally Posted by etphonehome2005

For some reason the mobile planet item status got linked to a seperate one from their main UK site which still had the may arrival date. Another item entry (of the same phone) popped up on the main expansys site when they got stock earlier this week. You can go to expansys.com and search for S710 and find the one showing actual stock (or at least it was earlier this week). It is all really muddled in their items listed.

Posted by: mikemj23

Just wanted to give my thoughts on earphone and speaker volume after some use. I think they are both excellent.

Posted by: taximan11

Just 2 days in withmy s710.
A couple of observations:
1. Why does the speaker disconnect when I try to use the phone while plugged into the AC charger ? It rings, and answers, but nothing from the speaker until i unplug the charger ? Is this an HTC thing with the proprietary usb jacks they use ?

2. I love the phone, except that I am nervous about the fact that after 2 days the slider (for the QWERTY) is somewhat loose. It doesnt slide open or anything, but is somewhat annoying because it feels like you are picking up two halfs of a phone.

Posted by: john1027

Dont' know about #1; re: #2, that is the way HTC chose to make these. The spring seems strong and I have no problem with the tension in the open postion, but you will always have that play between the halves when the unit is closed. Maybe someday in future revisions/models with the sliding spring assisted keybds HTC will add a little positive catch feature. This is probably not an issue for many, but I agree with you that I'd rather not have the movement.

Posted by: dmlv

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

Dont' know about #1; re: #2, that is the way HTC chose to make these. The spring seems strong and I have no problem with the tension in the open postion, but you will always have that play between the halves when the unit is closed. Maybe someday in future revisions/models with the sliding spring assisted keybds HTC will add a little positive catch feature. This is probably not an issue for many, but I agree with you that I'd rather not have the movement.

Hope you don't mind me asking but how do you feel the browsing/whole date performs seeing the device lacks 3G?

I have been watching the VOX for a while and want it to relace my blackjack but i have to admit the 3g speeds are impressive as well as the 3g call quality.

My past experience with edge smartphones is that they seem way slower than the blackberry's on edge (just my experience with BB's)

Thanks

Posted by: john1027

In the short time I've had it, I'd say the edge speeds are adaquate for what I need but some (esp. those who have tried 3g) might find it a step back. On the other hand, the wifi set-up/use in conjunction with the new features in wm6 is a very pleasant experience. I've had no problems easily setting up and connecting with my home router and this morning I tried it in a local coffee shop, again with no problems. The display is outstanding and I'm only using the built-in guava scheme at this point. I had a blackjack, and at least in my area/locations, the s710 has better rf capabilities. I haven't totally junked it up yet with too may 3rd party apps that I use, but it has been very stable so far. I use Newsbreak a lot and it works very well installed to the storage card.

If you email/text a lot and have larger hands, you very well might find the s710 just too small. So far that seems to be the most negative comments I've heard. I'm not sure I'll keep it very long unless I can get use to the size. Having said that, there is still no doubt in my mind that if a US carrier picks this up (or the next model [wings]) it will be a hit as I think the younger generation having grown up with texting will have no issues with the keybd vs. someone who is using it more for a business phone.

Posted by: cortez

i'd get it in a heartbeat if it had 3G. i've been spoiled by my Trinty's 3G/HSDPA speed, especially when used as a modem for my laptop. the form-factor of the 710 is very appealing. i almost ordered one from phonesource-usa yesterday...but stopped at the last second

Posted by: taximan11

I agree with John. The WM6 makes wifi, and all connection setups a snap. The connection manager in WM6 is a big improvement.

As far as speed, it does seem slighly slower, but I am not a big cellphone internet user. I use a wi fi connection in my office and at home.

I do connect with my company Exchange Server through Active Sync (no Exchange 2007 yet), so i do use a data connection, and its fine. Iam in a solid Cingular coverage area.

Phones are such a personal thing, because they need to have well performing functions that a particular individual uses. This phone has exactly what I need. I came from a Q, which I liked, but couldnt deal with the crappy battery situation, and some keys were quitting on me.

I am putting it through some battery tests, and will report back.

Posted by: mikemj23

I agree with the comment about the keyboard feeling "loose" when picking the phone up. At first it felt odd, but have gotten use to it after two days.

Also, I am using Microsoft Push with my company's Exchange Server, so I am a coporate user and I think it's a great device for that. The keyboard does take a bit to get used to, but i am doing very well with typing only after a couple days. I do think that the size of the keypad and 4 way navigation key on the phone takes some REAL getting used to because the keys are so small. I don't have huge hands and I find myself using the tips of my fingers to press only one key at a time.

As far as the lack of 3G....i had a BJ and honestly the 3G was nice, but not all that important for me. I feel like the Edge works just fine. I surf web pages with no problem. However, if you are relying on 3G for tethering etc. then you will obviously notice a much, much bigger difference.

Overall, I have had a BJ, BB 8800 and this in the past 4 months and this is by far the best one I have had because of size, Exchange Push (my company doesn't have a BES), and quality (I find the RF to be supremely better than the RF of my BB).

Posted by: wendo

I was able to get my internet working; selected the wrong setup initially.

I have small hands so the keyboard is perfect for me.

I've had it not quite a day and I can say that I love this phone. It's darn near perfect for my use.

Posted by: sabesh

Some comparison pics with WorldIRC's S710 and my P4350:

Posted by: john1027

Sabesh, looks like your wife liked it. She'll probably have to hide it from you now.

Posted by: dmlv

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

In the short time I've had it, I'd say the edge speeds are adaquate for what I need but some (esp. those who have tried 3g) might find it a step back. On the other hand, the wifi set-up/use in conjunction with the new features in wm6 is a very pleasant experience. I've had no problems easily setting up and connecting with my home router and this morning I tried it in a local coffee shop, again with no problems. The display is outstanding and I'm only using the built-in guava scheme at this point. I had a blackjack, and at least in my area/locations, the s710 has better rf capabilities. I haven't totally junked it up yet with too may 3rd party apps that I use, but it has been very stable so far. I use Newsbreak a lot and it works very well installed to the storage card.

If you email/text a lot and have larger hands, you very well might find the s710 just too small. So far that seems to be the most negative comments I've heard. I'm not sure I'll keep it very long unless I can get use to the size. Having said that, there is still no doubt in my mind that if a US carrier picks this up (or the next model [wings]) it will be a hit as I think the younger generation having grown up with texting will have no issues with the keybd vs. someone who is using it more for a business phone.

Hey thank you (and everyone) for your feedback. My hands are average so i should be fine...i don't text much anyway. I pulled the trigger today.....guess we all have that problem

I am more interested in call quality/function in a device than anything else and reports seem to be favorable so far. I just can't take the touchscreens anymore. I need a phone 1st and pda second.
I went with smart mobile gadgets.....man...he had the ph shipped out within a hr after i paid....great service!

Posted by: Oldfox

What is confusing me is that many have reported that the keypad is very small to the point that some have to use their fingernail to press the keys. Are they talking about the deidcated dial pad or the qwerty keyboard. It is hard for me to believe from the pictures that the dedicated dial pad would pose a problem---size wise---when everyone is use to dialing on Treos, blackberry's that have no dedicated dial pad where the number keys are a part of a cramped qwerty keyboard.

Am I missing something here. Is the dedicated dial par really difficult to dial on. Because the dedicated dial pad is the main attraction to me, as I am looking for a regular phone-type device that you can comfortably dial a number while driving in a car and not worrying about pressing the wrong keys,

If someone has the phone, can they speak to this

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Yeah-- I am a little confused too. I have a Blackjack as many of you S710 owners have as well. The Blackjack keys are as small as they get! Is the S710 a little more difficult to type on than the Blackjack?

Posted by: sabesh

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Originally Posted by john1027

Sabesh, looks like your wife liked it. She'll probably have to hide it from you now.

No no, I haven't bought one yet. It belongs to "WolrdIRC". I took these pics when we met

Posted by: cbreze

I got the impression they were talking about the qwerty pad not the front dial pad.

Posted by: WorldIRC

I am not his wife

But the phone is great!

Posted by: Oldfox

Yes, I also thought at first they were talking about the quwerty keyboard. But if you read what they wrote carefully they talk about the small keys and the nagivation button or control are together so small and cramped that it makes it difficult. This leaves me to believe that they are talking about the smallness of the dialpad numbers on the front, which really perplexes me for the reasons I posted earlier

I see I am not the only one confused about this. Just how easy is it to dial phone numbers with the phone closed in a candy bar mode. Are the dial pad keys easy to locate and press, say while you are walking or driving (of course using a bluetooth headset).

Posted by: mikemj23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldfox

What is confusing me is that many have reported that the keypad is very small to the point that some have to use their fingernail to press the keys. Are they talking about the deidcated dial pad or the qwerty keyboard. It is hard for me to believe from the pictures that the dedicated dial pad would pose a problem---size wise---when everyone is use to dialing on Treos, blackberry's that have no dedicated dial pad where the number keys are a part of a cramped qwerty keyboard.

Am I missing something here. Is the dedicated dial par really difficult to dial on. Because the dedicated dial pad is the main attraction to me, as I am looking for a regular phone-type device that you can comfortably dial a number while driving in a car and not worrying about pressing the wrong keys,

If someone has the phone, can they speak to this

Guys, I can speak to this. I am specifically talking about the dial pad NOT the Qwerty keyboard. I am not saying it is horrible, I am saying that I have had numerous cases in the past few days where I was pressing multiple numbers etc. Not that much of a problem anymore as I am used to the keypad, but I certainly cannot use my whole thumb to dial. I don't need to use my fingernail, but I do need to use the tip portion of my thumb. I initially had the most problems with the proximity of the soft keys to the 4 way navigation pad and "1,2,3" numbers.

I had the BJ and Blackberries and I mainly dial from my contacts so admittedly, i am not doing as much number dialing when in the car etc.

Hopefully that adequately explains my thoughts.

Posted by: john1027

My comments were addressing the qwerty keybd. It will be for many just a little small and more of a compromise than they wish to make for a smaller device. The keys are flat, and for my size hands (large), I have to use the inside corners of my thumbs. I am getting better and it easy to reach and use some of the keys and dpad on the dial pad in conjucntion with the pull out keybd (e.g. the back button). You basically can use either the dpad to move around or the 4 directional keys on the qwerty keybd when its open.

The dial pad is small but I personally don't mind it. The keys are wide enough for my needs and have a little contour slope from frt to back. Dpad is fine with me also and while some have complained about the space between the bottom of the dpad and the 2 key, I have no problem differentiating between the two. I don't have it anymore, but this reminds me of my smt 5600 only with a better keybd and dpad. I did not like the blackjack dpad and find the contours on this one much better, imo. The home, back, send, and stop keys are large enough that once you get use to their postions, you would have a hard time missing them.

For those who are wondering if this in on handed friendly, absolutely yes. I use a combination of right menu and speed dial for my most used programs and can do everything I need to do one handed by holding in my right hand and using my thumb to press the keys and dpad.

HTC has really packed in a lot into a small space and attempted to make it user friendly. They have also left room for a great display. To do that, there is always some compromise. As always, whether the user utlimately likes it or not comes down to their own subjective opinion.

Hope that helps clarify anything I might have written earlier that was not clear.

Posted by: MYhofoUSERNAME

500 bucks! sunnuva

Posted by: mikemj23

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

My comments were addressing the qwerty keybd. It will be for many just a little small and more of a compromise than they wish to make for a smaller device. The keys are flat, and for my size hands (large), I have to use the inside corners of my thumbs. I am getting better and it easy to reach and use some of the keys and dpad on the dial pad in conjucntion with the pull out keybd (e.g. the back button). You basically can use either the dpad to move around or the 4 directional keys on the qwerty keybd when its open.

The dial pad is small but I personally don't mind it. The keys are wide enough for my needs and have a little contour slope from frt to back. Dpad is fine with me also and while some have complained about the space between the bottom of the dpad and the 2 key, I have no problem differentiating between the two. I don't have it anymore, but this reminds me of my smt 5600 only with a better keybd and dpad. I did not like the blackjack dpad and find the contours on this one much better, imo. The home, back, send, and stop keys are large enough that once you get use to their postions, you would have a hard time missing them.

For those who are wondering if this in on handed friendly, absolutely yes. I use a combination of right menu and speed dial for my most used programs and can do everything I need to do one handed by holding in my right hand and using my thumb to press the keys and dpad.

HTC has really packed in a lot into a small space and attempted to make it user friendly. They have also left room for a great display. To do that, there is always some compromise. As always, whether the user utlimately likes it or not comes down to their own subjective opinion.

Hope that helps clarify anything I might have written earlier that was not clear.

john : agree with most of the excellent points you make. However, I would not characterize the keys on the QWERTY keypad as flat. In fact, IMO they are raised. It is absolutely one handed friendly as john points out.

HTC has in fact packed a tremendous amount of stuff into a compact, highly usable phone. I am very happy with this phone.

Posted by: klas

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemj23

While this phone looks nice I think it's a lot of money (over $500) for pretty much basic smartphone. It does not even have GPS or FM radio unlike a few upcoming phones. To me, it's just like my SDA phone minus the keyboard, but I only paid fraction of the what s710 costs.

If this would cost around $200 it was be a great deal, otherwise not worth the upgrade for anyone who ows Dash or SDA already.

Btw, my SDA does run WM6

Posted by: john1027

You are right that they are raised somewhat but I guess what I was trying to convey is that when you slide your thumbs along the overall feel is that the keyboard is flat with little space and differentiation between the keys. Its no big deal to me and I just have to pay a little more attention when entering txt on the keybd. Its just a matter of making the adjustment. HTC made the design choice so they could keep this device from getting to thick. I'm happy with it and acutally like it better now than when I first got it.

Posted by: mikemj23

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

You are right that they are raised somewhat but I guess what I was trying to convey is that when you slide your thumbs along the overall feel is that the keyboard is flat with little space and differentiation between the keys. Its no big deal to me and I just have to pay a little more attention when entering txt on the keybd. Its just a matter of making the adjustment. HTC made the design choice so they could keep this device from getting to thick. I'm happy with it and acutally like it better now than when I first got it.

Agreed!!!!!!

Posted by: Oldfox

Both John and Mike:

Thank you for taking the time to re-visit and bring clarity to some of your earlier posts, as I was getting confused as heck. But no more, I understand all of the points the two of you made greatly.

Your comments have guided in my purchasing decision and to that I say thank you

Chalester

Posted by: benetton73

Just wondering if anyone found out if the s710 was suppose to come with a pouch, both the user manual and "whats inside the box" card says there should be one.

Thanks Brad

Posted by: WorldIRC

^The box on the other hand does NOT mention the pouch!

Posted by: fulanito01

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/29/...le-dash-leaked/

Posted by: klas

Quote:

Originally Posted by fulanito01

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/29/...le-dash-leaked/

how is this related to s710???

Posted by: john1027

I think he just mis-posted as the Excalibur sticky is right inder the S710.

Posted by: klas

do you guys think this phone will be offered by TMO? I am not ready to shell out $500 on it...

Posted by: jehlinger

you might be waiting awhile.

Posted by: fulanito01

oops, sorry guys. i can't even find a delete button to kill the post.

Posted by: john1027

Most of the vendors don't have selections out yet for the S710 /SPV-E650. If you can't wait and don't want to modify a generic size, the Boxwave Clear Touch for the HTC-S620 fits perfectly. I had one left from a previous purchase in the clear/crystal. Once installed, its hard to tell its there.

Posted by: jszklarek

Check out the mlb.com guy using what appears to be a Vox at the end of this demo...

cnet video[/URL] http://reviews.cnet.com/Live_baseball_on_your_mobile_phone/4660-10621_7-6730604.html?tag=cnetfd.mt[/url]

Posted by: john1027

Thanks for the link. Interesting concept especially for MLB fans. That is definitely a Vox (or some variant) he is using for the demo at the end.

Posted by: klas

Can someone tell me what resolution can you shoot video on VOX?

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Cool link on the MLB thing

Posted by: john1027

Quote:

Originally Posted by klas

Can someone tell me what resolution can you shoot video on VOX?

176 x 144 and 128 x 96 and has 2x digital zoom. More in the camera section on Mobiletechreview link:

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/HTC-S710.htm

Posted by: klas

Quote:

Originally Posted by john1027

176 x 144 and 128 x 96 and has 2x digital zoom. More in the camera section on Mobiletechreview link:

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/HTC-S710.htm

ouch, this is a disappointment again

I cannot believe that this phone is so expensive and doesn't have any features over SDA (just the keyboard and slightly better 2MP camera)

Posted by: brmcguire

I just received the HTC S710 today. I'm really digging this device. Its a little slugglish though. I can live with that. I do wish it had 3G. My last few devices other then Blackberrys had 3G.

Posted by: F_I_N_E_S_S_E

Hey guys, I'm thinking of picking this phone up myself. but the price tag is somewhat of a deterent for me since it doesn't come with GPS capabilities.
So far the best prices i've come across have been on Bargain Offers $499, and Elite Electronix $449. Has anyone ever dealt with either of these two companies before?

http://www.elite-electronix.com/pro...products_id=887

http://bargainoffers.com/catalog/ht...one-p-1137.html

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

I would avoid the elite-electronix.com site at all costs. A few years ago there was a site called electronix-index.com that was selling laptops for really cheap. It was all a scam. People ordered the laptops and they were never delivered. It seemed just as legit as this site but it was all a scam.

Posted by: rperalta

How come nobody is selling carrying cases for HTC S710?

Any recommendations?

Thansks!

Posted by: F_I_N_E_S_S_E

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Originally Posted by ARHYTHMATIK