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Posted by: ablair

iPhone a Big Mistake, says Telstra

Australia's largest telecom company - the partially state-owned telco Telstra - dumped Apple's iPhone yesterday in a blistering Sydney Morning Herald interview. Operations chief Greg Winn, the 2nd in command at the company, said that Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericsson and others will be coming out with devices that have similar functionality to the iPhone. Winn said that although the iPhone had a touchscreen, he didn't think that made the device revolutionary and thought that the press overreacted to the Apple announcement. He further said that Apple "was not a mobile phone manufacturer and should have stuck to it's knitting," implying that the company will get spanked by forging into markets it has little experience in. The harshly critical interview was widely covered by the press, such as The Inquirer's Telstra says iPhone Doomed and APC Magazine's Telstra launches attack on Apple iPhone.

Posted by: huskyfan23

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Originally Posted by ablair

the press overreacted to the Apple announcement.

For sure.

The iPhone has a few newish features but nothing announced (so far) that's really all that amazing.

Posted by: wildrock

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Originally Posted by ablair

iPhone a Big Mistake, says Telstra

Australia's largest telecom company

Whaddya expect from a telcom where the water in the toilet swirls backwards...

Posted by: CowboyNYC

Greg Winn can have an opinion too, doesn't make him right, but it sure draws a line in the sand letting Consumers know they can dump Telstra and upgrade to a better provider when they want the iPhone. Sound like operations chief Greg Winn, the 2nd in command at the company should go back and learn how to speak publicly. Makes one wonder why a cellular provider which says "the iPhone is doomed" would even take the time to trash a yet to be released device in the press. They can smell the ch ch ch CHURN already.

Fat Cats like Greg Winn will keep retarding Telstra. Nothing new....

"Telstra has a long-standing record of resisting the cutting edge. For example, although it could have run its ADSL1 broadband network at up to 8 Mbp/s, for "operational reasons" it capped it to 1.5 Mbp/s. Only when competitors began to offer ADSL1 at full throttle through their own DSLAMs, did Telstra feel the need to open up the choke on its network.
No one claims that the iPhone is perfect. But it is certainly revolutionary enough for its full impact to fall off the radar at Telstra. That's a shame even if it is not a surprise."

Posted by: romeo26

yah finally a company with common sence(sp)! they realized that nokia and se phones are way better!!

Posted by: ctk74

Carrier that has the iPhone = better provider? I think not. It is not the phone that makes the carrier, it is a combination of network and equipment. Yes, the iPhone is the most overhyped tech device I have seen in my lifetime. No one can make a judgement, pro or con, until they have it in their hands and this is still 4 months away.

Posted by: jvanbrecht

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Originally Posted by wildrock

Whaddya expect from a telcom where the water in the toilet swirls backwards...

Heh.. not entirely true..

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A popular misconception is that the Coriolis effect determines the direction in which bathtubs or toilets drain, and whether water always drains in one direction in the Northern Hemisphere, and in the other direction in the Southern Hemisphere. This myth has, perhaps, been perpetuated by the Simpsons episode "Bart Vs. Australia," in which protagonist Bart Simpson has a young Australian boy confirm that his toilet water in the Southern Hemisphere spins in the opposite direction from Bart's own in the Northern Hemisphere. The myth is also propagated by the plethora of websites claiming that this fallacy is true[1].

In reality, the Coriolis effect is a few orders of magnitude smaller than various random influences on drain direction, such as the geometry of the sink, toilet, or tub; most notably, the direction in which water was initially added to it and, secondarily, whether its basin is flat or tilted. Note that toilets typically are designed to only flush in one rotation, by having the toilet water shoot into the basin at an angle and via the force of a pump. If you shot water into the toilet basin from the opposite direction, the water would spin in the opposite direction[2].

Posted by: wildrock

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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht

Heh.. not entirely true..

Ok, then how about this:

Whaddya expect from a telcom where the hurricanes spin backwards...

Posted by: bigsnake49

Is that the same company that is going thru the huge expense of replacing it's CDMA network with a WCDMA network and is seeing a tremendous resistance by its customers to replacing their handsets with 3G handsets. They probably wanted Apple to release one with 3G capabilities so they can push 3G to their customers. They probably also read where Apple is requring certain concessions & developments from their partners (e.g., visual voicemail). it's a shot across the bow. If Optus gos ahead and gets in bed with Apple and starts drawing customers away from Telstra, what will they say then?

Posted by: CowboyNYC

Australian Telco's Lame Attempt to Bag iPhone
http://www.applematters.com/index.p.../comments/1847/

"Hmmm? Excuse me, Mr Winn, but how many of those companies, who you imply will kick Apple’s iPhone off the block, began life as mobile phone manufacturers?"

Posted by: Alistara

It's only because Telstra and Apple were going head to head on where users would be directed to download content. Neither would budge so therefore Telstra have backed out and it looks like Optus and Vodafone are in the running. Still, you can get around this by getting an iPhone from EasyMobiles. They are a Telstra reseller and offer the iPhone at cheap prices already... www.easymobiles.com.au

Posted by: lastdon00

the phone was over hyped, i have one, i like it for it's video cabilities, but it needs to improve on a lot of things .

Posted by: Kylen721

reviving a year old thread huh? not sure how it is relevant today... looks like a easy mobiles plug I guess...

I was really confused until I looked at the date

Posted by: RogerPodacter

yeah i even read the article thinking it was a current event.

Posted by: Alistara

Yeah, it's an old thread but the reality is that these comments made by Telstra way back when are actually playing out now as Voda and Optus announce their intentions. And yes it is a plug, cause I've been looking for a decent Aussie provider for the iPhone for so long and have been scammed twice, so am happy to give Easy a bit of credit as they have been the best provider I've ever had.

Posted by: reas0n555

oh yea so telstra carrying sidekicks is any better? not to worry guys im sure there we be a jailbreak for the new iphone

Posted by: redman042

Yeah those Aussies love to winge!

(winge = gripe in Australian English)

You know, I've been hearing the naysayers talk about how overrated the iPhone is, yet people that own them say it's the first phone they've ever truly been excited to use. No other cell phone company has quite duplicated this feeling yet, even though they are trying very hard.

Oh, and by the way, the water truly does swirl the other way in Australia. I've tested it myself, in both a toilet and a sink (filled it then pulled the plug). Sure, if the jets are pointed in a specific direction, the coriolis effect will be overriden by that, but that's not normally how a toilet is set up. Normally the jets point straight down.

Posted by: ruffdeezy

Looks like they are jealous more than anything

Posted by: melmac

Guy is daft. Show me a single AVAILABLE Nokia, Motorola, SE, etc that has:
1) as high quality of a TOUCHSCREEN
2) as responsive of a TOUCHSCREEN and UI

Yup, that's right, no Nokia, Moto, etc, is rocking 512mb of RAM, so it ain't as responsive. My Tilt's touchscreen was nowhere near as accurate or responsive. Yeah, the handset itself doesn't sport many new features, but this guy's a moron. The iPhone is bringing the touchscreen to a useable level, and thus to the mainstream. To underestimate that is retarded. I hope he misses out on tons of sales while they wait for the competition to catch up and bring mainstream ready touchscreen phones to the market...I'm still waiting over a year later (Voyagers screen was meh, and Prada lol @ the cost). Nobody I don't think is arguing that's the handset itself featurewise is revolutionary, but what it does IS. Also, the build quality KILLS the n95s I've used (granted I haven't used an n95-4) and certainly much better than my RAZR2's. How bout instead of complaining what it DOESNT do, focus on what it DOES do and how the competition even in corporate sectors (*cough*Blackberry*cough*) is SCRAMBLING to copy the things that it did do right and revolutionize.

Posted by: klowngoblin

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Originally Posted by ruffdeezy

Looks like they are jealous more than anything

or their user base is more educated that americans, and already know the iphone's limitations are rediculously underpar compared to phones that are more than 3 years old.

BTW 1/5 americans think the sun still revolves around the earth, what does that tell you?

Posted by: klowngoblin

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Originally Posted by melmac

Guy is daft. Show me a single AVAILABLE Nokia, Motorola, SE, etc that has:
1) as high quality of a TOUCHSCREEN
2) as responsive of a TOUCHSCREEN and UI

Yup, that's right, no Nokia, Moto, etc, is rocking 512mb of RAM, so it ain't as responsive. My Tilt's touchscreen was nowhere near as accurate or responsive. Yeah, the handset itself doesn't sport many new features, but this guy's a moron. The iPhone is bringing the touchscreen to a useable level, and thus to the mainstream. To underestimate that is retarded. I hope he misses out on tons of sales while they wait for the competition to catch up and bring mainstream ready touchscreen phones to the market...I'm still waiting over a year later (Voyagers screen was meh, and Prada lol @ the cost). Nobody I don't think is arguing that's the handset itself featurewise is revolutionary, but what it does IS. Also, the build quality KILLS the n95s I've used (granted I haven't used an n95-4) and certainly much better than my RAZR2's. How bout instead of complaining what it DOESNT do, focus on what it DOES do and how the competition even in corporate sectors (*cough*Blackberry*cough*) is SCRAMBLING to copy the things that it did do right and revolutionize.

touch screens dont make the phone great on its own, the iphone is a perfect example of how a touchscreen phone can still suck goat chunks.

focus on what it does do? the iphone does very little except looks good.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by melmac

512mb ram thought it was 128 mb???

Posted by: reocej

You mean to tell me the Sun does'nt revolve around the Earth!!!

Posted by: steine1988

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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht

Heh.. not entirely true..

Try telling that to the Discovery Channel. I've seen more than one show where the host demonstrated how the toilets flush "backward" in the Southern Hemisphere. I kid you not. And this had nothing to do with the Simpsons.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

Love it or hate it, the iphone sells like hotcakes. The CEO of Telstra made those statements in Feb 07 months before the iphones release. You never want to alienate your potential future partners in any shape or form regardless of what you think of their products.

If you are a competitor yes, you can do that in a tastefull way, but to alienate yourself to a company who you may share a partnership in the future way before the release of the product you are bashing is probably not a good way to get in their good graces. It is quite stupid actually, and I am surprised the CEO still has his job. I guarantee Telstra's competitors will get a better deal on the 3g iphone. The CEO must like it now since they will be carrying it soon.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/05...iphone.carrier/

Posted by: toomer

Who the hell dug up this 14 month old thread that was was from months before the iPhone even launched?!!??!!?

Can we leave it buried, where it was?

Posted by: dsigma6

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Originally Posted by klowngoblin

BTW 1/5 americans think the sun still revolves around the earth, what does that tell you?

That you need to G T F O O H.

Posted by: dcdttu

Why he's so adamant about bashing this phone, I don't know. Has he ever gone out of their way to bash a phone like that? before That's bad strategy, if you ask me. He's burnt a bridge, for what? To get his name in the paper?

I'm sorry, but the iPhone was a great Gen 1 device. The enterprise improvements and apps that are soon to be available are going to make it even better. Yea, it isn't a physical keyboard Blackberry, or a Symbian phone, but that's great. Nothing wrong with competition.

And the iPhone's UI and touchscreen are unrivaled. No one has anything as good. Taking the device for what it is, I think it's a great Gen 1 device. Let's hope it grows to be truly competitive in the areas it lacked, and be thankful for what are its strengths.....

Posted by: irgins

australia will fail yet again... prolly this time 3G won't support their network

Posted by: klowngoblin

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Originally Posted by irgins

australia will fail yet again... prolly this time 3G won't support their network

actaully they should go hand in hand if apple doesnt cripple the 2nd iphone
the BCM21551 chip is HSUPA compatible (3.75G) (theoretically this is going into the 3G iphone)
guess what? Australia's NextG already has HSUPA up and running with only a few handsets that actaully can use the 7.2mbit speeds

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the iPhone's UI and touchscreen are unrivaled

sure it looks flashy, what does that get you in terms of functionality? can you RDP into a 2003 box? no, animations get annoying after a while since it slows you down when you ACTAULLY want to do work instead of showing off.

kind of reminds me of 17 yr olds with ricey civics and loud exhausts, flashy, all show and no go

Posted by: odnerd

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Originally Posted by klowngoblin

the iphone is a perfect example of how a touchscreen phone can still suck goat chunks.

Are you stupid? Show me a single touch screen that you can throw in your pocket with keys and not scratch it... There are many phones that could be better than the iPhone but there still using outdated tech. for the touchscreen and it kills the rest of the phone... The whole reason the iPhone is a populer as it is, is because of the screen being the highest quality that exists right now...

Posted by: klowngoblin

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Originally Posted by odnerd

WTF would you thow a $400-600 phone into a pocket with keys? are you the stupid one? im not one to destroy the casing on my phone due to neglect. my phone is 1.5years old and its still in mint condition, not a SINGLE scratch and i have it with my everywhere i go.

the iphone's screen is not the highest quality because its using glass, resolution is also just as important. the iphone is using some screwed up 3:2 resolution while other phones still follow the standard 4:3 or 16:10/16:9

theres alot of 800x480 screens out there (WVGA) which make the iphones screen look like a pixelated mess when viewing high resolution images. (SHARP, Toshiba, HP, and some others have their units avalible now with sony comeing in later this year)

Posted by: cam'ron

hahaha a pixlated mess eh? You sir are a troll!

Posted by: Kolyan

well i did not read the thread, but there is no device out there like Iphone (quality, size, functions, screen, touch-screen technology, entertainment) and its only getting better with App. Store, 2GEN Iphone, Firmware 2.0 etc.

as far as VGA screens. There is only a few phones out with VGA and they all SUCK and more expensive (unless you wanna use them for business). Time will tell, but right now i will stick with my Iphone for sure. and I did not pay $700-$1000, it was only $250

Posted by: raulbe

Its ok not to like the iPhone but to say that the screen is an issue is stretching it. Screen size depends on form factor too, you can have a huge screen but that will impact the form factor and convenience of carrying the device. The iPhone screen is 3.5 inches, among the largest for phones with this form factor, is a high quality screen and the underlying OS uses the display to the maximum so you get fantastic font and general clarity. Watch a h264 encoded movie on the iPhone to get a feel for the quality of the screen.

Most other touch screens phones uses resistive touchscreens which are cheaper, can affect clarity of the screen and are not as responsive and sensitive as capacitive touch screens which iPhone uses.