Official BlackBerry Pearl 8130 Pre-Release Thread

Originally Posted by jboidc

The 8830 has it too (VZW BlackBerry Worldphone). The 8130 will certainly have it.

Originally Posted by Centsless

Can an experienced BB user who is familiar with the Moto Q please tell me what if anything about my Q I will miss if I move to the Pearl? Is it a good phone? Is it just as functional in other areas as the Q?

Originally Posted by edamon

i'm wondering the samething - as I'm about to switch to the pearl.

-d

Originally Posted by Centsless

There has to be someone out there who can respond to this question.

Originally Posted by edamon

i'm wondering the samething - as I'm about to switch to the pearl.

-d

Originally Posted by clxa38

yes you can sync a bb with a mac. if you google bb and mac, it tells you that the bb desktop manager syncs with both windows and mac

Originally Posted by edamon

i'm wondering the samething - as I'm about to switch to the pearl.

-d

Originally Posted by string

Does it have Wifi? I didn't see anything mentioned, but on phonescoop, they did mention it.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

Btw, not sure if is OK for this thread but...

it should come as no suprise, but SPrint just announced they are getting a BB Pearl (8130) too -> http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=18220

Originally Posted by 0mie

this was known a few months back. Well I knew and I posted about it in another pearl thread. They get the black while we get the silver.

Originally Posted by kristina.kozak

I actually like the silver better, it looks fancy lol.

Originally Posted by 0mie

this was known a few months back. Well I knew and I posted about it in another pearl thread. They get the black while we get the silver.

Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

Yes, I knew we knew they'd be getting... just saying they finally announced "officially" they were getting...

and that Sprint press release says ..."this amethyst-colored smartphone.." I thought Amethyst was "purple" Not black... At least it was purple when I was buying a now Ex-GF her birth stone...

Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

...and that Sprint press release says ..."this amethyst-colored smartphone.." I thought Amethyst was "purple" Not black... At least it was purple when I was buying a now Ex-GF her birth stone...

Originally Posted by kristina.kozak

Amethyst is purple (it's my birthstone too ) but maybe it really is purple....just such a dark purple it looks black lol

Originally Posted by 0mie

Ill just buy the black OEM housing from cnn.cn and replace it myself

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

AHHHHHH WTF?!?! No pink or red Pearl on VZW? That's a deal breaker for me.....

Originally Posted by dimabrook

fact that bb os does not freeze, slow down, or reboot.
I had a Q, Treo, both windows and needed restarts all the time.
BB construction is excellent. intuitive OS.
you have to try each one to find what features you will miss.
each person will find diff. features useful.

Originally Posted by iPhoneKiller

lol dont get dramatic.
i just said white was my PREFERRED color on the pearl

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

Especially when VZW drops their BB rates.

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

Edamon,

Once you take one hit off the Crackberry pipe you'll be hooked. Especially when VZW drops their BB rates. They'll call you Tyrone Biggums.

Originally Posted by 0mie

They are a step in the right direction but could be a lot better IMO, don't you agree.

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

If they were any lower they'd be matching T Mobile


Verizon couldn't possibly justify matching EVDO prices to EDGE prices. That would be way too fulfilling to the customers wants....

Originally Posted by ejspecv

n00b *** question.

do BB's send/receive plain text messages like the normal phones? and send/recieve picture messages?

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

Texting yes, just like normal phones. Blackberries WITH CAMERAS (Pearl, Curve) MMS just like normal phones as well.

Originally Posted by 0mie

Well you got a good point there

Verizon doing what customers want nah, not happening anytime soon. lol.

Originally Posted by Vatothe0

So by your definition, Verizon should be giving unlimited service for free and you get any phone for free?

Originally Posted by Vatothe0

So by your definition, Verizon should be giving unlimited service for free and you get any phone for free?

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

iPhoneKiller, it had nothing to do with your post.

Actually it was more a reflection on how funny the whole "cell phone release process" cliche is. Not that I have an issue with it, but observing it again and again is pretty hilarious.

First the FCC info is released about the phone and it's posted that "Hey, look what I found on the FCC site..."

Then you have the "hunt" for the specs, once all the specs (or lack there of in some cases) are found, you have the complaining of the UI and the "why didn't they include 'X' and 'Y' features".

After that comes the months of release date questions and controversy and where people, usually in masses, needlessly post their upgrade eligibility dates against the mods directions. Usually towards the end of that controversy comes the pricing questions followed by more pointless ne2 eligibility upgrade posts.

Finally when that is all settled, you have people that start whining about the colors of the phones like VZW offended them because they didn't release the phone in multiple loli-pop colors.

Just when you though it was over, you see a brand spankin' new "Look what I found on the FCC site..." post.


(Que the "Circle of Life" song from the Lion King" )

Originally Posted by 0mie

I dont think I said that, maybe you read my response wrong or we have a misunderstanding in what my reply really means.

Originally Posted by macflauaus

Horray for PhoneScoop.

Preview of the BlackBerry 8130 (Pearl 2) on YouTube.

Originally Posted by hamdude

I'm sorry, I'm a little confused: Is the Pearl coming out on Oct 26, Nov 1st or Nov 8? I keep seeing these numbers either on forums or "leaked docs" and I'm wondering what everyone thinks. I'm sure this has been asked (sorry!) but I can't seem to find a clear answer.

Originally Posted by Humpa

Release Dates - - Samsung U470 10/19, LG VX8800 11/4, Blackberry Pearl 2 11/8, LG VX10000 11/18
PreOrder Dates -- Samsung U470 10/9, LG VX8800 10/19, Blackberry Pearl 2 10/26, LG VX10000 11/8

Originally Posted by hamdude

thanks guys... and there's no way a non-business customer can get the phone through B2B right? Or, would the phone be available to purchase online before it's available in stores?

Originally Posted by edamon

thanks for the release update.

hopefully the RF on the pearl is good, haha. as I'm moving to it sight unseen.

-d

Originally Posted by Humpa

Release Dates - - Samsung U470 10/19, LG VX8800 11/4, Blackberry Pearl 2 11/8, LG VX10000 11/18
PreOrder Dates -- Samsung U470 10/9, LG VX8800 10/19, Blackberry Pearl 2 10/26, LG VX10000 11/8

Originally Posted by kevin byrne

Newest dates just released.

BlackBerry® Pearl smartphone (8130) in Pink : Jan. 08

Originally Posted by Centsless

I do not know why there is so much excitement about this phone from anyone but current BB users. The quality of the RF is unknown. Go looking for apps and compared to Windows based devices, there isn't much. If you want to stream radio, so far there isn't a way to do it well.

I want to like this phone. I am tired of my Q. Hopefully it will live up to the "consumer oriented " hype and provide business and consumer functionality. So far, I'm not seeing it.

Originally Posted by kevin byrne

Newest dates just released.

BlackBerry® Pearl smartphone (8130) : 10/26 pre-order; 11/8 launch.
BlackBerry® Pearl smartphone (8130) in Pink : Jan. 08
BlackBerry® 8830 (World Edition) in Red : Jan. 08
LG Venus™ in Pink : Pending pre-order decision; 12/11 launch
LG Venus™ in Black : 11/8 pre-order; 11/19 launch
LG Voyager™ (10000) : 11/8 pre-order; 11/21 launch
LG VX8350 (Red) : 11/21
LG Chocolate™ - Blue Ice (VX8550) : 11/21
VZW Vogue : Jan. 08

Originally Posted by kevin byrne

Newest dates just released.

BlackBerry® Pearl smartphone (8130) : 10/26 pre-order; 11/8 launch.
BlackBerry® Pearl smartphone (8130) in Pink : Jan. 08
BlackBerry® 8830 (World Edition) in Red : Jan. 08
LG Venus™ in Pink : Pending pre-order decision; 12/11 launch
LG Venus™ in Black : 11/8 pre-order; 11/19 launch
LG Voyager™ (10000) : 11/8 pre-order; 11/21 launch
LG VX8350 (Red) : 11/21
LG Chocolate™ - Blue Ice (VX8550) : 11/21
VZW Vogue : Jan. 08

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

I've had every single BB VZW has sold since 2002 and I have never had an RF issue with one. Even more so, the 8703e had incredible RF. I only had the 8830 for a couple weeks so I did not get to test everywhere would liked to but I don't really hear many issues regarding it.

The reason I love BBs over WM devices is because how hassel free they are. No freezing, no lagging, no having to call DTS. As far as streaming radio and third party apps... those really aren't a big deal for me.

Originally Posted by ward66

whats involved in getting the b2b order, my bank has accounts with vzw and we get 10%, but I don;t know if i can get the pearl on the 1st....can anyone fill me in?

Originally Posted by ward66

account is in my name, just get 10% off for being an employee.....oh, well.....maybe i can get someone in accounting to pull some kind of string...

Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

you may still be eligible for the B2B ordering... My personal line receives the B2B discounts and the new phones are added to my B2B web page "earlier" than the regular VZW web site...

Check with the people who set you up for your 10% discount...

Originally Posted by jsprewell

If I pre-order the pearl will I have to select a plan with it? if what you guys are saying about verizon putting out cheaper plans is true, i want to wait for those.

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

The reason I love BBs over WM devices is because how hassel free they are. No freezing, no lagging, no having to call DTS. As far as streaming radio and third party apps... those really aren't a big deal for me.

Originally Posted by Nthach

I had to call Data Tech on my Treo 650 and my XV6700, but from my experience with AT&T and the Curve, it's been flawless. It rebooted 2 times with regular HTML webpages - but I appreciated how well the BB handles WAP, SMS, and email. Not to mention the BlackBerry OS is more intuitive than Windows Mobile or the craptacular Verizon OS on regular phones - granted the Chocolate has a slicker feel to VOS with Flash Lite, but it's still a counter-intuitive juxtaposition.

What BlackBerry lacks in power and moddablity and 3rd party support like in Win Mo and Palm, it makes up for those shortcomings in stability and usability. I can pick up an BB and start using it - just like the iPhone. Can the Chocolate or any other Verizon OS phones say that?

Originally Posted by Centsless

I do not know why there is so much excitement about this phone from anyone but current BB users. The quality of the RF is unknown. Go looking for apps and compared to Windows based devices, there isn't much. If you want to stream radio, so far there isn't a way to do it well.

I want to like this phone. I am tired of my Q. Hopefully it will live up to the "consumer oriented " hype and provide business and consumer functionality. So far, I'm not seeing it.

Originally Posted by edamon

I'm sick of the Q as well. However, I'm also sick of carrying 2 phones.. as I never could get used to talking into a calculator (ie the Q).

so for me the pearl is perfect. Looks like a normal phone, it's small -- about the size of the razr2 and I can setup multiple pop3 email accounts (email is all I use the Q for). The Q is small as well for a full qwerty, but 2.5" wide is a pocket space killer.

-d

Originally Posted by edamon

I'm sick of the Q as well. However, I'm also sick of carrying 2 phones.. as I never could get used to talking into a calculator (ie the Q).

so for me the pearl is perfect. Looks like a normal phone, it's small -- about the size of the razr2 and I can setup multiple pop3 email accounts (email is all I use the Q for). The Q is small as well for a full qwerty, but 2.5" wide is a pocket space killer.

-d

Originally Posted by Mark_K

Can anyone answer this for me?

I want to get the BB Pearl for my wife.

She needs to access POP account email and sync her calendar and contacts on her PC.

Using a MS Windows Mobile OS on a PPC device is very easy to sync using ActiveSync.

1. Does BB have the ability to sync her Outlook calendar and contacts on her PC with her BB Pearl device?

Originally Posted by tekko27

I'm curious on this as well. I am also looking at getting this for the same functions described below.

Originally Posted by Mark_K

..1. Does BB have the ability to sync her Outlook calendar and contacts on her PC with her BB Pearl device?

Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

Blackberry Desktop Manager (which ships with every blackberry device), can be setup to synchronise Calendar, Contacts, Tasks, and Notes from outlook with the blackberry via USB cable.

It can also be set up to sync with other PIM applications via USB cable.

Originally Posted by tekko27

I'm curious on this as well. I am also looking at getting this for the same functions described below.

Originally Posted by brett3333

I haven't used the Blackberry OS for a long time but back when I tried it, I could only have on inbox for multiple e-mail accounts. Currently I have a need to keep incoming emails seperated (one inbox for personal, one for business, one for another account, etc.)

Does anyone know if the current Blackberry OS email program supports this automatically?

Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

When it comes to BIS accounts.. they each can have their own mail icon on the home screen...

However, email for BES and all BIS accounts will all show under the MESSAGES icon off the home screen... there is no separate icon for BES email..

Originally Posted by KeilwerthSX90R

Personally I'm amazed at the love for the BB OS when it doesn't have a simple email program to get POP mail. I guess that it's a "feature" that all mail comes through BB servers but I want a PDA with real mail, not a pager.

Given the popularity of BB's now that RIM would add a real email program.

Originally Posted by Vatothe0

Have you ever actually used a blackberry? You seem to be under the impression that you can't send email from a blackberry which is wholly incorrect.

Originally Posted by TheHedonist

Dataviz is coming out with software that'll let BB users edit Office docs a lot easier (if their Palm suite is any indication) Considering that functionality, what does WM6 support that BB doesn't?

Originally Posted by Vatothe0

Have you ever actually used a blackberry? You seem to be under the impression that you can't send email from a blackberry which is wholly incorrect.

Originally Posted by hamdude

After reading the most recent posts, I am confused. I have no prior experience with BB devices, only WM. One of the primary functions I need is access to email, which I thought BB's are meant for.

Can a BB manage multiple imap (like AOL) and pop3 email acounts, and put incoming mail in independent inboxes like WM devices? In other words, will new mail for account A go into inbox A, and new mail for account B go into inbox B, or do all new messages go into one inbox?

Also, how are the emails delivered to the BB? WM phones have VZW wireless sync and Push. Does a BB have something similar to push? And if so, can it handle more than one "push" account?

Sorry for my ignorance

Originally Posted by havaloc

Blackberry will give you both, one combined box, and separate ones. Blackberry doesn't push directly per se, it polls every 15 minutes and pushes the emails to your handheld and downloads them automatically. It works really well, actually. If you miss html mail, you can buy a $10 program called Empower. You can have up to 10 email accounts (POP or IMAP). With IMAP, there is limited synchronization (such as read/unread status, deleting emails can be 2 way if you wish) If you hook up a Yahoo or Gmail email account, emails are true push and will come very quickly. There might be support for IMAP idle in the future for true push email in the future.

Originally Posted by havaloc

Blackberry will give you both, one combined box, and separate ones. Blackberry doesn't push directly per se, it polls every 15 minutes and pushes the emails to your handheld and downloads them automatically. It works really well, actually. If you miss html mail, you can buy a $10 program called Empower. You can have up to 10 email accounts (POP or IMAP). With IMAP, there is limited synchronization (such as read/unread status, deleting emails can be 2 way if you wish) If you hook up a Yahoo or Gmail email account, emails are true push and will come very quickly. There might be support for IMAP idle in the future for true push email in the future.

Originally Posted by Nthach

Remote desktop, ssh/telnet capablities, native MS Office 2007, streaming media. From what an MS consultant told me, remote desktop on WM is a moot point - he just has a laptop with a Sprint AirCard to do that.

Originally Posted by havaloc

Here's remote desktop and ssh/telnet, and also windows server management (their mobile admin product is very nice).
http://www.rovemobile.com/

Remote desktop on WM is pretty bad in my experience.

Originally Posted by Nthach

You've gotta be kidding me, remote admin on a BB?

Originally Posted by havaloc

Active Directory — create, delete, view and edit domain users, groups and computers; reset passwords; change group membership; unlock accounts

That's pretty useful if you manage an active directory.

Originally Posted by franklun

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I have heard rumors that Verizon is planning a price drop on their data plans in the near future. If so, I want to wait til that drop to buy my new pearl and get the lower plan rate. Anybody know if this is true, and if so when its happening? Thanks!

Originally Posted by jsprewell

Now, I know we know (sort of) the release dates for the pearl.

Pre-order: Oct 26
Business: Nov 1
Store: Nov 8

Does anyone know when is the early online availability? I know Verizon offers phones early online, so when do us non business people get ours online? Also, when do you think the pre-orders will ship and do you have to sign up for a new plan when you pre-order?

I'm thinking about pre-ordering but don't want to sign up for a new plan before the new cheaper ones go into effect.

Originally Posted by cellmet

I'd be willing to bet no case; would be nice though.

Originally Posted by VZW_CSR

Aside from GPS, VZW has never really disabled anything on any PDA phones.

Originally Posted by jimpilot

Bluetooth file transfer is disabled on my wife's V3C. It works on other vendors.

Originally Posted by cellmet

I'd be willing to bet no case; would be nice though.

Originally Posted by Tre-i-e-i-o

JimPilot,

VZW_CSR did say "PDA Phone" and the RAZR is certainly not a PDA Phone.

However, I believe simultaneous use of Phone and WiFi was disabled on the 6700. I'm not sure if that was a WM issue or a VZW issue.

Originally Posted by jsprewell

Does anyone know if the Pearl will come with the same set of accessories as the 8830?

* Lithium Ion Battery (1400mAh)
* USB Charging Data Cable
* Swivel Pouch (no warranty)
* Multi–clip Travel Charger
* International Travel Charger Adapters
* Documentation Kit (including Desktop Software CD and User Guide)
* VZAccess Manager CD
* Quick Reference Guide

Now I know the international travel charger adapters are not needed. I'm more interested in the desktop software, case, etc....

Originally Posted by machpost

From what I've read, it just comes with the charger (no dock) and headphones:
(Taken from this page)

Originally Posted by mick4394

The Gizmodo article you linked to said that it will come with the headphones.

Originally Posted by Polo2883

Howardforums usually is pretty good about getting an exact price. Does anyone here know the exact pricing of this phone considering it will be released in 2 weeks?

Originally Posted by Scientia

I was wondering the same thing...
It goes on presale in a couple days doesn't it?

Originally Posted by 0mie

Presale is on Friday

Originally Posted by Scientia

That's what I thought... price should be floating around somewhere

surviving in SD OK? I grew up there and still have family there so it's a little scary

Originally Posted by Scientia

I wanted to find some pictures of the calendar, and email apps, but I can't find any can anybody help me out or have any advice?

Originally Posted by 0mie

Prices are around

They just evacuated the people 5 minutes down the freeway we might be next.

I can't miss the Pearl release though MUST have internet hahaha

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

Be careful man. Those fires sound crazy. Stay safe.

Originally Posted by 0mie

Thanks, I will try my best.

The high school that was an evacuation center down the road in now being evacuated because the fire is getting closer.

These Santa Ana winds and drought aren't helping one bit

But to keep the thread on topic, the Pink pearl should be a nice addition to my collection lol, now do I wait to exchange it or just buy a housing for it decisions decisions

Originally Posted by Scientia

I was wondering the same thing...
It goes on presale in a couple days doesn't it?

Originally Posted by TheHedonist

Haha, I can't believe I didn't even consider the price till now. But for me at least, with $200 off the B2B price, I have a hard time believing it won't be free when the 8830 is only $50.

Then the question will be, is it worth putting up with Sprint and paying a lot more for the phone to get GPS ...

Originally Posted by jdougal

So what is the decision, when is the Pearl coming?

Originally Posted by 0mie

Pre-order Friday 26th
B2B Thursday Nov. 1st
Public Thursday No. 8th

Originally Posted by maxint

any word on if the new plans will be available on friday with the pre-order???

Originally Posted by cellmet

According to the Gizmodo article, it sounds like Verizon won't be crippling the GPS; lets just hope it will work with Google Maps and not just VZNavigator for an extra charge.

Originally Posted by vrs626

$200 off??

Originally Posted by Scientia

So with something like the pearl can you extract phone numbers from the browser, txts, or emails to make calls? I'm just wondering how the phone integrates with the other features

Originally Posted by TheHedonist

Someone who commented on the Gizmodo article had a pre-production model and said it was crippled on his (but it also didn't have VZNav). I'd be very surprised if it's uncrippled.

At the same time, I'm a little surprised no one's been able to hack it yet. There's free access to other carriers' firmwares, and it's not as if Verizon has installed their own firmware. It looks like Blackberry implemented the block for Verizon.

Originally Posted by Scientia

So with something like the pearl can you extract phone numbers from the browser, txts, or emails to make calls? I'm just wondering how the phone integrates with the other features

Originally Posted by maxint

Yes to all.........

Originally Posted by Centsless

Does this mean that I would not be able to use GPS software on the phone via an external bluetooth receiver?

Originally Posted by maxint

i think that's a great question.. but don't you think we'll figure out a way to unlock that phone.......

also, why would you need an external gps... it has gps in it!

Originally Posted by Scientia

Thanks
and one final question (and this is a stupid one) does this contacts picture come up when they call like all other phones nowadays?

Originally Posted by nctrevor24

quick question does the pearl have a usb charger like a razor?

Originally Posted by cellmet

So, will Verizon offer both the silver and black amethyst or just the silver?

Originally Posted by Scientia

I think just the silver

Originally Posted by TheHedonist

ADD and NE2

Originally Posted by ferniesp

I am pretty much sold on this phone. The fact that it has wifi and just maybe...GPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So long Voyager, reel in the Pearl.

Originally Posted by ferniesp

I am pretty much sold on this phone. The fact that it has wifi and just maybe...GPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So long Voyager, reel in the Pearl.

Originally Posted by ferniesp

I am pretty much sold on this phone. The fact that it has wifi and just maybe...GPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So long Voyager, reel in the Pearl.

Originally Posted by Scientia

I was just poking around and I noticed that the browser on the Pearl seems pretty limited... is it like browsers on regular cellphones or more like PDAs?

Originally Posted by ferniesp

I am pretty much sold on this phone. The fact that it has wifi and just maybe...GPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So long Voyager, reel in the Pearl.

Originally Posted by maxint

sorry.. .no wifi....

Originally Posted by ferniesp

Are you sure they took that out.

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

Wow your b2b rep gives you ne2 off of the business pricing? Unless they changed that very recently, that was a BIG no-no.

Originally Posted by Centsless

Does this mean that I would not be able to use GPS software on the phone via an external bluetooth receiver?

Originally Posted by cellmet

But even the built in browser will be html, as opposed to just the basic wap browser of traditional phones, correct?

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

Where did you see that it has wifi?

Originally Posted by antiphon

Just to clear up the confusion, there are technically two different Pearl 2's.

The Pearl 8120 is a quad-band GSM phone with WiFi but no GPS. So far it's only been released in Europe.

The Pearl 8130 is a CDMA based phone with GPS and no WiFi.

VZW and Sprint are releasing the 8130 (naturally). RIM have stated that due to form factor, etc. they can't fit both WiFi and GPS into a Pearl- only one or the other.

Originally Posted by ferniesp

That is not what the release says. It cleary says it has wifi. Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by 0mie

Straight from the horses mouth:

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/device...pecificatio ns

No mention of wifi

Originally Posted by ferniesp

According to the Verizon Press Release on Phonescoop, it will have it.

Originally Posted by ferniesp

According to the Verizon Press Release on Phonescoop, it will have it.

Originally Posted by ferniesp

According to the Verizon Press Release on Phonescoop, it will have it.

Originally Posted by string

Phonescoop
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/....php?a=153&p=33

Originally Posted by ferniesp

According to the Verizon Press Release on Phonescoop, it will have it.

Originally Posted by jsprewell

Okay, I'm interested in getting the wifi card for the pearl. The only card I have been able to find is the: Spectec SDW-823 WiFi microSD card. Thing is, I cannot find somewhere that sells it, or how much it is. It looks like it is not out yet and I cannot find a release date.

Seems some of you (Omie...) may have some info on these WiFi cards?

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Humpa

the BB is miniSD, right?

Originally Posted by Chubby772

There's microSD wi-fi cards??

Originally Posted by 0mie

Yes!!!
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http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=w1sdw823[/url]

Originally Posted by liquidplatinum

They goofed. It doesn't have Wifi. The GSM varient does.


I trust RIMs specification sheet over something that was mentioned on Phonescoop review where it was mentioned one time (just that it was a feature) and wasn't actually reviewed. I think a lot of other places would have made a huge deal out of it if it really did have it. But it doesn't and I know that for sure.

Originally Posted by string

Im not saying you or RIM are incorrect. You had asked where the guy saw it, and I remember that there was a report that had wifi mentioned for this phone. I believe they actually had the phone and were playing with it, so there is a little bit of credibility, whether or not it is true.

Originally Posted by mick4394

Sorry about the rant, but this wifi talk just needs to die. People are getting their hopes up for nothing.

Originally Posted by dhonan42

I can't find anything either. I even contacted our business rep. and he said it's not available in his system either.

Originally Posted by maxint

so i guess all these pre-order messages were false.... that sucks....

Originally Posted by TheHedonist

Yea I suspected pre-orders today were unlikely when it's not even on testman.