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End of the confusion about GU/GD 87/88

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Posted by: lost_rebel

Let us just call them Gx8x for the moment. They are all the same, exactly the same, hardware inside. Sure there may be some changes in plastic color and the outer lid plastic but functionally the same.

Software:
<=A19. Early releases specifically for Europe and Asia. Many bugs but acknowledged by the carriers. Some features not implemented

A21. Fixed bugs required for release to some Asian markets

A22. Fixed bugs required for European markets and rollouts to some carriers

A38. Initial Release for US Market, Fixes all major bugs and many remaining small bugs, released to carriers worldwide for evaluation for upgrades in their markets all over the world. All features implemented.

=<A39. Fixes bugs related to specific carrier features. All major bugs have been resolved but some carrier feature implementations have some issues. Pana releases targeted upgrades to fully implement these features. NOT rollup releases although all based on A38 code. Do not get unless you are in one of these markets and need these features. (No, I do not have a list!)

Language packs:
Two things come into play here:
1. Languages physically loaded into the phone. Different language packs contain different language sets as requested by different carriers. They are keyed to specific software releases.
2. Languages activated as part of the feature set. Although the language may be physically loaded, it may not be active per the carrier's request. Flashing new firmware or loading a new language pack will not fix this.
Note: Although every mobile has english loaded as the base language, even the menus may have different text depending on whether American English or the queen's english is configured. Same with Spanish, French and Portuguese, there are differnt dialects depending on carrier requirements.

Activated Features:
Although two mobiles may share the same software version. Menus may appear in different orders or may not appear at all. For example, Vodafone mobiles will probably not have the feature to SMS to an email address while AT&T will. AT&T will have two preloaded games while most Vodafone mobiles have infusio active. Just because it does not look the same does not mean that it is not the same. It is at the discretion of the carrier and how the mobile was upgraded (if applicable)

Model number differences:
GU-87 -Sold only in the US, currently to AT&T
GD-88- Sold in China, Taiwan and Hongkong. Currently has Chinese in it. Soon to be sold in Canada, Mexico and Brazil, no Chinese but adds Spanish, Portuguese and French. Has two other flavors of colors (only China?)
GD-86A- Mainland China, adds new plastic to front with blue inset maybe other colors. Probably not available outside of Mainland China.
GD-87. Everywhere else. Europe, Australia ETC.
NOTE: They are made in different factories and that is based on model number.

I hope this clears some things up for everyone.

Maybe this should be made sticky for awhile?



Posted by: Confused69u

sticky this now~!



Posted by: Gate4

Quote:
Originally posted by lost_rebel
Language packs:
Two things come into play here:
1. Languages physically loaded into the phone. Different language packs contain different language sets as requested by different carriers. They are keyed to specific software releases.
2. Languages activated as part of the feature set. Although the language may be physically loaded, it may not be active per the carrier's request. Flashing new firmware or loading a new language pack will not fix this.
Note: Although every mobile has english loaded as the base language, even the menus may have different text depending on whether American English or the queen's english is configured. Same with Spanish, French and Portuguese, there are differnt dialects depending on carrier requirements.


Dormant language packs that exist within some firmwares can be activated by entering *#xxxx# where xxxx is the specific 4-digit code to activate this. Your local Panasonic Service Centre may provide the right codes for you if you have an unbranded and registered Gx8x

Quote:
Originally posted by lost_rebel
Activated Features:
Although two mobiles may share the same software version. Menus may appear in different orders or may not appear at all. For example, Vodafone mobiles will probably not have the feature to SMS to an email address while AT&T will. AT&T will have two preloaded games while most Vodafone mobiles have infusio active. Just because it does not look the same does not mean that it is not the same. It is at the discretion of the carrier and how the mobile was upgraded (if applicable)


As far as I'm aware, Vodafone branded phones do not have InFusio/ExEn activated whereas Orange branded ones do.



Posted by: jonbob

that is correct, Orange branded ones do have full acess to downloadable games though there aren't that many just yet.

I can also confirm that UK GD87s use Proper English (no offense intented to our american friends) as shown on the personalise menu.



Posted by: dart

Thanks for the clearing up! Maybe we can finally dig through the Panasonic forum without being bogged down with threads about "differences between Gx-8x and Gy-8y".

Quote:
GD-87. Everywhere else. Europe, Australia ETC.


Just a minor correction. I bought my GD-88 here in Australia, and the carriers are selling GD-88, not GD-87.



Posted by: Ed

Quote:
Originally posted by Gate4
As far as I'm aware, Vodafone branded phones do not have InFusio/ExEn activated whereas Orange branded ones do.


The Vodafone branded GD87's in Germany and Italy have Exen activated. Vodafone's brand name is 'Load-a-game'.

Germany
http://194.117.216.229/D2/products/...DN=null&ID=null

Italy
http://www.areaprivati.190.it/index...d_game/main.asp



Posted by: takamiya

However, Vodafone UK GD87s are not able to download games....



Posted by: Kadooky

GD87 is also sold in South Africa. But withou java support



Posted by: alpha tag

FINALLY, a clear and concise differentiation of the 87/88... and there's an 86A as well? woah..



Posted by: TriBand81

Great Sticky, I've read a lot about the GD/GU 87 and GD 88 but I didn't have an exact idea of how the GD/GU designations related to the model/series numbers.





Posted by: quikie

does GD88 have english?



Posted by: mavericke

the other day i used cb2000 to flash A39 into my GD87 and it turn out that the usual shortcut on the top right hand corner has been changed. I cannot change the shortcut item anymore. Can it because the firmware is for GU-87 and not for GD-87?



Posted by: GD87 Master

What was it pointing to before? Mine was originly Camera but i changed it to SMS Inbox. You could just use CB2000 to change the bottom left button into whatever you want (If you EEPROM is unlocked like me).



Posted by: mavericke

Quote:
Originally posted by GD87 Master
What was it pointing to before? Mine was originly Camera but i changed it to SMS Inbox. You could just use CB2000 to change the bottom left button into whatever you want (If you EEPROM is unlocked like me).

Hum...my shortcut was directed to camera and I could change to anything due to the settings in the phone but now it is sticking on with camera only. I can't change the shortcut anymore. I am hoping that with cb2000 I can change the shortcut then. Thanks!



Posted by: tha_noname

hmm strange thing this.. my phone went dead for a while so i sent it in for "service" now when it returned iīve got A51??!! so what is the differences for this firmware and the earlier ones??
Anyone?

I also got this damn fenomenon that i cant change the shortcut key + itīs vodafone red meny and icons looks all rubbish.. want a a51 that is not vodafone branded.. it really SUX



Posted by: GD87 Master

Where did you take it for service?

Can you post some photos of the menu etc.

Thank you.



Posted by: tha_noname

Quote:
Originally posted by GD87 Master
Where did you take it for service?

Can you post some photos of the menu etc.

Thank you.


Its in a local shop, they sent it to another place..

I dont have a pic of the menu today as it takes a long time and the result is bad.. the phone isnīt really flat so it doesnt get good in scanner

the borders are red also (HATE IT)



Posted by: mavericke

Quote:
Originally posted by tha_noname
Its in a local shop, they sent it to another place..

I dont have a pic of the menu today as it takes a long time and the result is bad.. the phone isnīt really flat so it doesnt get good in scanner

the borders are red also (HATE IT)

Wah!That is so cool!A51! how I wish UK does have it too? Any ideas?



Posted by: ducky

Quote:
Originally posted by tha_noname
Its in a local shop, they sent it to another place..

I dont have a pic of the menu today as it takes a long time and the result is bad.. the phone isnīt really flat so it doesnt get good in scanner

the borders are red also (HATE IT)


could you tell me whether you have norwegian t9 in this language pack you have...?



Posted by: msbx

Quote:
Originally posted by quikie
does GD88 have english?


I have a Canadian version sold by Rogers AT&T, and it's English alright. You can be sure that Rogers has a French version in Quebec.

In fact, you can change languages in "My Phone" - French, English, Spanish and Portugese. If it had Cantonese, Canada would be covered.



Posted by: lost_rebel

all Gx8x mobiles have english in them, even if it is not an option. It is the base language in the mobile



Posted by: Dave Is.

Heh, Gd87 Master, i changed my shortcut to inbox as well not long after i got it. It gets annoying everytime you get a voicemail it also sends you a SMS Message letting you know you have a voice mail. May be just my provider(AT&T-US). It's easier just to hit the shortcut to inbox

I've read alot about the unlocking. I wouldn't mind getting mine unlocked, but it seems a little risky. Is flashing dangerous? I read about downloading cb2000 and another app just to get a logfile. I assume, i would have to pay someone to unlock it after I obtain a logfile? I'm kind a iffy on sending my phone to someone. I don't know what all becomes available by unlocking either. Is it worth it to pay for? I don't plan on popping in any other SIM cards to use it on another carrier, so that one thing I don't need. The camera noise removal is kinda nice, but not a big deal. Any other features become available when unlocking? Master, if you could post some detailed info on unlocking and what features become available, I'd appreciate it. I know you post alot helping people learn about the phone, so I hope I'm not bothering you...

Thanks again...



Posted by: msbx

I had mine unlocked, but SIM only. Kevin at Bongo Wireless doesn't have the logs for the browser yet and he says nobody has. Unlocking took five seconds and there are no ill effects.



Posted by: GD87 Master

When you unlock the phone it just means that you can put other sim cards in at and when you travels abroad it will support all networks, it also adds value to your phone when selling. You do not have to send your phone to me to get it unlocked. It only costs Ģ15.



Posted by: ImportCell

Quote:
Originally posted by msbx
I have a Canadian version sold by Rogers AT&T, and it's English alright. You can be sure that Rogers has a French version in Quebec.

In fact, you can change languages in "My Phone" - French, English, Spanish and Portugese. If it had Cantonese, Canada would be covered.


you forget Italian, my friend
then Canada it would be covered completely



Posted by: msbx

Quote:
Originally posted by GATTO
you forget Italian, my friend
then Canada it would be covered completely


Italian for sure...



Posted by: tha_noname

here we have the ugly voda menu...



Posted by: tha_noname

and here is a pic of the "pana" menu..
Just thought to show these to all people so they know how it looks like



Posted by: GD87 Master

Thanks for those pics!



Posted by: tha_noname

Quote:
Originally posted by GD87 Master
Thanks for those pics!


your welcome any other pics u want?



Posted by: GD87 Master

What pics have you got?



Posted by: tha_noname

well ive got a digital camera so i can take any pics i want to



Posted by: srafx

I will be sure to include alot of these facts on my new site that I will be creating. Thanks!!



Posted by: SilvaRSX

hey, you said that the A38 was for the US market (so that would be the GU87 for AT&T right? I just checked my phone with the *#9999# and it said that I have the A21 but my phone is a GU87. sorry i'm a newb about this firmware stuff. just wondering if there is anything wrong with my phone..

Quote:
Originally posted by lost_rebel
Let us just call them Gx8x for the moment. They are all the same, exactly the same, hardware inside. Sure there may be some changes in plastic color and the outer lid plastic but functionally the same.

Software:
<=A19. Early releases specifically for Europe and Asia. Many bugs but acknowledged by the carriers. Some features not implemented

A21. Fixed bugs required for release to some Asian markets

A22. Fixed bugs required for European markets and rollouts to some carriers

A38. Initial Release for US Market, Fixes all major bugs and many remaining small bugs, released to carriers worldwide for evaluation for upgrades in their markets all over the world. All features implemented.

=<A39. Fixes bugs related to specific carrier features. All major bugs have been resolved but some carrier feature implementations have some issues. Pana releases targeted upgrades to fully implement these features. NOT rollup releases although all based on A38 code. Do not get unless you are in one of these markets and need these features. (No, I do not have a list!)

Language packs:
Two things come into play here:
1. Languages physically loaded into the phone. Different language packs contain different language sets as requested by different carriers. They are keyed to specific software releases.
2. Languages activated as part of the feature set. Although the language may be physically loaded, it may not be active per the carrier's request. Flashing new firmware or loading a new language pack will not fix this.
Note: Although every mobile has english loaded as the base language, even the menus may have different text depending on whether American English or the queen's english is configured. Same with Spanish, French and Portuguese, there are differnt dialects depending on carrier requirements.

Activated Features:
Although two mobiles may share the same software version. Menus may appear in different orders or may not appear at all. For example, Vodafone mobiles will probably not have the feature to SMS to an email address while AT&T will. AT&T will have two preloaded games while most Vodafone mobiles have infusio active. Just because it does not look the same does not mean that it is not the same. It is at the discretion of the carrier and how the mobile was upgraded (if applicable)

Model number differences:
GU-87 -Sold only in the US, currently to AT&T
GD-88- Sold in China, Taiwan and Hongkong. Currently has Chinese in it. Soon to be sold in Canada, Mexico and Brazil, no Chinese but adds Spanish, Portuguese and French. Has two other flavors of colors (only China?)
GD-86A- Mainland China, adds new plastic to front with blue inset maybe other colors. Probably not available outside of Mainland China.
GD-87. Everywhere else. Europe, Australia ETC.
NOTE: They are made in different factories and that is based on model number.

I hope this clears some things up for everyone.

Maybe this should be made sticky for awhile?




Posted by: goldnchickn

Quote:
Originally posted by alpha tag
FINALLY, a clear and concise differentiation of the 87/88... and there's an 86A as well? woah..


Yes - this GD86a I think is only for the market here in China. It is about 4300 RMB which is about 600 RMB more than the GD88. But whats the diff?? Not much really, and the GD86a only comes in a blue cover I think - which isn't as nice as GD88 in my view.

I think you can turn off the camera "click" sound though, which I don't know if you can on the GD88 firmware.



Posted by: lost_rebel

SW is identical to the others. I now have one and it is identical to 87/88 with the exception of the upper plastic.



Posted by: lost_rebel

Quote:
Originally posted by SilvaRSX
hey, you said that the A38 was for the US market (so that would be the GU87 for AT&T right? I just checked my phone with the *#9999# and it said that I have the A21 but my phone is a GU87. sorry i'm a newb about this firmware stuff. just wondering if there is anything wrong with my phone..


All GU87s were released with A38 bit none are sim unlocked. So you probably got one that has been hacked by someone



Posted by: JonHsiung

Quote:
Originally posted by goldnchickn
Yes - this GD86a I think is only for the market here in China. It is about 4300 RMB which is about 600 RMB more than the GD88. But whats the diff?? Not much really, and the GD86a only comes in a blue cover I think - which isn't as nice as GD88 in my view.

I think you can turn off the camera "click" sound though, which I don't know if you can on the GD88 firmware.


yeah that damn click is annoying.

hey besides fixing bugs, what features would i, or anybody else get for upgrading to the new firmware? also, is english well supported on it and if it is flashed, does the phone book disappear?



Posted by: lost_rebel

suggest you read this post from the top. 86 is exactly the same internally and from a firmware standpoint as 87!!!! English is the base language in all of this series of mobiles. mobile phone book is only lost if you send a function clear from cb2000.
Quote:
Originally posted by JonHsiung
yeah that damn click is annoying.

hey besides fixing bugs, what features would i, or anybody else get for upgrading to the new firmware? also, is english well supported on it and if it is flashed, does the phone book disappear?




Posted by: JonHsiung

sorry, i found that out later that day, but thanks for your reply.



Posted by: lost_rebel

no problem, BTW, I have one. I think it is pretty nice but mainly because it seperates me from "the others"



Posted by: teaelle

the 86-A came out this summer and got improved with the picture quality...

the camera have been upgraded from 11kilo pixels to 30 kilo pixels....which makes the picture quality better~

that was just about it, a little upgrade b4 the X70 came out~



Posted by: jack_d12

so if i get a gd88 i can use all the firmware from gu87 ?? plus i've read that there is a service cable ? is this different from the data cable ?



Posted by: Quatre

I was thinking about getting the Gx87 (i hope thats right) for ATT here in the States. It is the onlyh Panasonic phone here and ATT is the only one who gets it.

Is it a good phone. The main thing that attracted me is the full duplex speakerphone. That other camera flip phones have.

That is what i'm looking for and an important feature but I really am looking also for 260k 2.2" color screen where this only has 65k like all the others up till now and a 65k color external display not teh 4k external of the NEC 525 for ATT and this Panasonic phone has no external color screen at all just a sub lcd with three color choices.

I'm waiting for the Toshiba 4050 for sprint , first in us to have 260k color screen and its camera/ and video like sanyo vm4500 for sprint . but supposedly only half duplex sprk phone, comign from nextel i'm used to need/ good quality full dup sprkphone.

Think this panasonic is worth it for now till the toshiba comes out or maybe just better overal less flimsy etc.? despite not having video or an external color screen



Posted by: rae_frg

Hi. i have the gd87 by t-d1, or t-mobile in germany. i have just updated my handy to a53 and have downloaded some games by http://www.74bird.com/panasonic/ . ive got all needable software but im not able to upload the games... it cant find my tetris or sheep, but it says its uploading a game in 25secs (crach bandicoot). since cb2000, the prog im using, only supports ctc files, im wondering if i have to use exn files, maybe theyll work. but how? t-d1 dusnt support game downloading, and my menu is somewhat different than the ones ive seen in other forums.

CAN ANYONE HELP ME???

im gratefull for any hint. please mail them to

raznor@gmx.org

TNX a million!



Posted by: cheung27

I am buying a pana phone, I am choosing from a GD 88 and GU 87. Which 1 is better?

Also, which 1 has cantoese in it?
Waiting for reply, thx!



Posted by: lost_rebel

Should have read this post from the beginning. As for Cantonese, you would have better luck with gd88 but I am not sure. But the language pack that you need is listed.



Posted by: kurapica

GD86a picture quality upgraded from 11kilopixels to 30 kilopixels, newer firmware version, and supports java



Posted by: kurapica

Quote:
Originally posted by kurapica
GD86a picture quality upgraded from 11kilopixels to 30 kilopixels, newer firmware version, and supports java


correction for the GD86a, it only has 11 kilo pixels. but unlike the GD88, it definitely supports Java J2ME





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