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Ericsson HBH 60 with S55
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Posted by: baker

I got my HBH 60 today and have tried using it with my s55 with FW 11. There is a new menu under the calling menu that allows the call to be transferred to the hbh 60 and back to the handset without having to press the little button on the head set.

That is really funny because that menu did not show up while using my hbh 30 with the same fw 11. I then switched back to my hbh 30 and the menu disappeared. Iguess the HBH 60 must have some sort of new software interface that triggers that menu on the s55. The only issue is that it still does not tranfer the call automatically like my Ericsson t68i. Oh well I guess I will have to wait for the next fw release.

Posted by: Synncere

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Originally posted by baker
I got my HBH 60 today and have tried using it with my s55 with FW 11. There is a new menu under the calling menu that allows the call to be transferred to the hbh 60 and back to the handset without having to press the little button on the head set.

That is really funny because that menu did not show up while using my hbh 30 with the same fw 11. I then switched back to my hbh 30 and the menu disappeared. Iguess the HBH 60 must have some sort of new software interface that triggers that menu on the s55. The only issue is that it still does not tranfer the call automatically like my Ericsson t68i. Oh well I guess I will have to wait for the next fw release.

Hey that's great! I don't have the HBH 60 yet...

How is it? If you don't mind maybe post some pics of it next to the s55 so I can get a good comparison of size. Thanks fot postin that!! That is what you had wanted all along from your BT right? Cheers.

Posted by: baker

Synncere,

You are asking alot from a guy that still does not know how to quote a previous post. I will try to take the pictures and then will email them to you until I figure out how to post it on the forum. Sorry I am have not really gotten too much into the Howard Chui forum to figure all the cool things that one can do with the forum.

Posted by: Synncere

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Originally posted by baker
Synncere,

You are asking alot from a guy that still does not know how to quote a previous post. I will try to take the pictures and then will email them to you until I figure out how to post it on the forum. Sorry I am have not really gotten too much into the Howard Chui forum to figure all the cool things that one can do with the forum.

LOL Sorry Baker

.. quoting is easy on the right hand corner there is a button that says quote... easy easy!! Hope to see ya in the forum more.

Posted by: baker

oh that's where that stupid thing is.

BTW, Can you explain how to use PSM player? I have the program and tried to increase the volume on a ring tone that I downloaded in midi format but after tweaking the settings and transfering it back to the S55 I can't hear any changes.

I can't seem to find the instructions anywhere in English.

Posted by: Synncere

On the player if you go into settings then volume... you can change the volume. Don't go up by 2 or 3... if it says 100 as standard then try 120 or higher if you go small like 102 you won't notice anything. Also try converting the midi into an mmf you may notice it sounding richer. I have an older version of the psm player aswell as the new one. The old one has an easy explanation. Pm me your email addy if you want me to send it to you.

Posted by: baker

Pm you just now.

Posted by: Synncere

Email sent. Hope it helps

Posted by: rip

hmmmm...maybe i should look into getting an S55 now

Posted by: Synncere

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Originally posted by rip
hmmmm...maybe i should look into getting an S55 now

Oh hell yeah bro!!

I know you just did the s40 and v70 thing and all but come on board with the s55... you'll f*****n love it!!! I just gotta be that blunt about it.

Posted by: hardtarget35

Im lookin' into an HBH-60 for my S55 too. I really like it, and im glad to hear it works well with the S55. May i ask the kind of quality you get with it, and distance?

Posted by: fidodido

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Um, strange, I have the same exact menu on my S55 while I'm using my HBH-30. I am stuck with FW 9, btw.

Posted by: wildhairzero

Sooooo... is the HBH-60 a upgrade from teh HBH-30 or about the same? (Sound quality, battery life... ect)

I have FW 9 and I seem to be having issues with my HBH-30 and the phone not talking as well as they used to when I had FW 4. Sometimes the HBH-30 will not answer when I press the button, but it will just beep in my ear forever! This never happened when I had a T68i and used the same headset.

I am also having volume issues with the HBH-30, sometimes it will be super quiet and even when I max the sound I can barely hear it. But if I send the call back to the phone and then back to the headset the volume will jump up a notch or two. Again never had this problem when a T68i...

Weird....

-Andrew

Posted by: wildhairzero

I actually have FW 8 right now... always helps to double check 'eh?

-Andrew

Posted by: baker

After using the S55 with HBH 60 today while driving to San Diego and back I realized that the connection is not very stable using FW 11. On various occasions, after dialling out the phone would not connect to the HBH 60 or would connect after the calling party had already picked up the call.

I reflashed my S55 with FW 5 then FW 8 and on FW 8 I could not get the HBH 60 to pickup the call after calling out. Also the option on the calling menu was not there.

I then reflashed to FW 9 and the calling menu option is there again but could only thest the stability of the phone on one call before I had to recharge the phone.

I think I am going to test FW 9 tomorrow and if it does not work very well then I may have to use the HBH 60 with my Ericsson T68i and a wired head set for the S55. What a pain in the a**

At least the old HBH 30 worked pretty well on FW 11 even though I had to press the button on the HBH 30 for every call.

Oh well hopefully the next FW version may fix the problem. BTW see my other post. Siemens developer Villager took off the FW download for the S55 and SL55. It was there yesterday.

Posted by: Synncere

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Originally posted by baker
After using the S55 with HBH 60 today while driving to San Diego and back I realized that the connection is not very stable using FW 11. On various occasions, after dialling out the phone would not connect to the HBH 60 or would connect after the calling party had already picked up the call.

I reflashed my S55 with FW 5 then FW 8 and on FW 8 I could not get the HBH 60 to pickup the call after calling out. Also the option on the calling menu was not there.

I then reflashed to FW 9 and the calling menu option is there again but could only thest the stability of the phone on one call before I had to recharge the phone.

I think I am going to test FW 9 tomorrow and if it does not work very well then I may have to use the HBH 60 with my Ericsson T68i and a wired head set for the S55. What a pain in the a**

At least the old HBH 30 worked pretty well on FW 11 even though I had to press the button on the HBH 30 for every call.

Oh well hopefully the next FW version may fix the problem. BTW see my other post. Siemens developer Villager took off the FW download for the S55 and SL55. It was there yesterday.

Thanks for the update Baker! I am surprised you had that issue with 011 Keep us informed on what happens with 09. . I am still waiting for the HBH 60 pics lol

Posted by: baker

Well FW 9 seems to work very well with the HBH 60. Alot better than FW 11.

Posted by: Synncere

that's interesting. Hey Baker did you notice anything else with 11 at all? Before you got the HBH 60 you were using HBH 30 right? How did you find the BT with that on 09 compared to 11?

Posted by: baker

Synncere,

Using the HBH 30 with FW 9 and Fw 11 seemed about the same with FW 11 a little clearer. I think the software for HBH30 is a little older then HBH 60 because the 30 would not keep a direct connection while the 60 had a direct connection per the icon on the S55. Anyway, now I am having trouble sending an address from my S55 to my T68M using infrared. I believe on FW 8 it was working fine.

All sorts of problems. I am going to flash fw 11 to see if it fixes the infrared problem and try to live with the unstable bluetooth. It sure is interesting being on the leading edge of technology.

Posted by: Synncere

@Baker-----

I am using 08 right now. I find it extremely stable and I have had no problems so I will stick with it for the next little while. Keep me posted on your tests tho.

@ Wildhairzero----

it's good to see ya in here I haven't seen ya in a while!
How's the fone treatin ya? I am still lovin' my s55

Posted by: RussK

I have ver 9 on my s55 - the bluetooth seems to be active all the time the bluetooth hbh-60 is in range of the s55 - I place a call, and it doesn't automaticly transfer to the headset. When I used the hbh-30, i'd have to press the button on the headset to transfer the sound..... which was fine. But now I can't get the sound on the headset at all. How do you all get the call on the headset....

Posted by: Synncere

Maybe retry pairing the headset to the fone and see if that helps

Posted by: RussK

I've repaird it several times. I've tried setting BT on the s55 to not visable - nothing I can do works. Everytime the devices are in range, it holds the BT connection open and let me use it to make a call..... starting to make me mad. should I get firmware ver 11 for the s55?

Posted by: Synncere

I just tried the HBH 60 with my s55 works great! Sorry to hear you are still having trouble with your BT connection. You can try f/w 11... many people have been fine with 09 but many have complained about 09 aswell. You can always try 08... it is extremely stable and works great. The only thing is if you are on 09 and decide to go to 08 you will have to go to 05 first then to 08

Posted by: RussK

OK, I'm going to try firmware ver 11 tonight... (by the way, where do I new firmware?) I might be able to find it, but can't use search on howardfourms

Posted by: Synncere

Click this link for the f/w

http://www.siemens-mobile.com/developer

I will be putting up a sticky soon with links to everything one needs for their s55/56 in regards to games, color schemes, graphics, f/w uodates etc...

Posted by: RussK

I upgraded to ver 11 and same problem.... This sucks. when the 2 devices are on and near eachother, the BT icon at the top has ))) after the BT logo - it never goes away. I had the HBH-30 and the ))) wasn't there unless you were on the phone or there was a BT transfer active. WHY IS IT ACTIVE WHEN I'M NOT ON A CALL?

Posted by: RussK

ok. if I press menu after the call, I can select trans to handsf. That puts the call to the headset... its a workaround.

Posted by: baker

RussK,

I had that issue too but I think HBH 60 just works that way. When I used FW 8 with the HBH 60 it would behave like the HBH 30 where there was no connection until you actually made a call. I don't know if the constant connection drains the batteries more or not either.

Posted by: Ayomasha

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Originally posted by Synncere
that's interesting. Hey Baker did you notice anything else with 11 at all? Before you got the HBH 60 you were using HBH 30 right? How did you find the BT with that on 09 compared to 11?

Looks like FW Version 11.0 have some bugs that we didn’t anticipated. On my HBH30 I have noticed new hissing noise slightly added to incoming voice. When I downgraded to Version 9.0, that noise disappeared. Also I have observed degraded performance on voice command as well (with or without BT headset). Sometimes, phone get confuse and dial a wrong number.

Version 11 may have been released to overcome some other bugs that we may have not encountered during normal usage. This may be due to some new device compatibility issue, such as Jabra or HBH 60 BT Headsets.

Also we should not forget BT, IrDA and cable connectable PCs and Pocket PCs. As bottom line, FW Version 8.0 & 9.0 seems to be far too stable than Version 11.0

Posted by: Synncere

Thanks for that Aymosha

Personally I am gonna ride with 08 for a while...
I have tried 3 different BT headsets with it and works fine so I am satisfied. I'm hoping by f/w 13 or 15 or somthing it'll be as stable as 08. IMO 08 is best f/w to have for the time being

Posted by: Synncere

With all this talk of BT issues and f/w I decided to to some tests and wanted to share the results with all of you. I remember on f/w 04 when the BT headet always rang and I just tapped the side to answer...

Some of you have said with f/w 08, 09, and 11 you have various probs with the BT... one of the probs I got alot of pm's on was the fact that when there was an incoming call what had to be done was answer the fone then transfer the call to the headset becuase the heaset didn't ring. I never had this issue but have a friend here that came over and told of the same issue that I had gotten so many pm's on.

On his s55 he has to go into the profiles and select headset when he is using BT to make the headset ring otherwise the phone only rings and that's it regardless for f/w vsn 08, 09 and 11.

Not the biggest fix in the world and others in here have a different problem I know... but I figured one at a time... so here's 1 concern addressed I am still working on figuring out the rest. I have borrowed my friends HBH 60 and Jabra aswell so I will do more tests and see if I can figure out what the deal is.

Posted by: Ayomasha

When it comes to electronic hardware such as BT devices and phones we must not rule out factory defects that can lead to various anomalies on its functionality. Each user may encounter various problems in their devices which has nothing to do with its software or firmware.

I have seen some members of this forum have had major problems on HBH-30 or HBH-60 headsets. This doesn’t mean that the FW version of that phone has a problem. If the FW version X.X functioning well on person ‘A’s phone, should work same on person ‘B’s phone as well. (Provided that both the hardware version belongs to a same or closer batch of the manufacturing process)

Technically, firmware versions X.X should work same all the phones suppose to be 100% identical. If not the manufacture has to segregate and identify their hardware version and release separate FW versions for each of the different batches.

My first HBH-30 had a range problem and it worked only within three feet with my s55. But it managed to work fairly well with Nokia 6310i with increased range up to 5 meters. Also it could not originate calls using voice command by pressing multi functional button on the head set.

Once the call is established on S55 with HBH-30, the calling party could hear me loud & clear while my receiving audio was very low, even I had max on headset volume. At this point 6310i work fairly well. [Also I must mention here that 6310i has headset volume settings on its popup menus which is handy in certain occations.]

After bit of frustrating days I returned the HBH-30 to the dealer and got a new replacement. This headset work well on the same S55 phone with FW 8 & 9 and I don’t see any problem except the absence of auto answer feature, which not a big deal to me.

Posted by: Synncere

@ Ayomasha------> Well Said.

Posted by: baker

After all this discussion, I reflashed my phone to FW 8 and the volume using the HBH 60 is low and almost unaudible in a moving car with road noise.

Does anybody have the same issue? I don't recall the same problem using FW 9 or FW 11.

Posted by: RussK

I've had some complaints that its sort of quiet... brings in alot of noise when I'm going more than 60 MPH to the other person on the line.

Posted by: mantis5

The incoming caller's voice in the Jabra BT-200 seems louder with fw11 than it was in 04. Those are the only two firmware revisions I have used.

Posted by: Synncere

I tried the jabra out alot over the past couple days aswell as the HBH 30 and 60. Using /w 08 and 09 I didn't find much of a difference with the Jabra but I never used it with 04 so maybe that's why. The HBH 60 sounded fine to me I didn't find it too low for me and I didn't notice any hiss but I used indoors mostly not in the car at all where road noise could be a factor. From my messin around I found the HBH 30 and 60 fine on 08 and 09. I found the voices clearer using the HBH headsets compares to the jabra. I am going to try all 3 on f/w 11 for a couple days and see if I notice anything between that and using 08 and 09

Posted by: mantis5

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Originally posted by Synncere
I tried the jabra out alot over the past couple days aswell as the HBH 30 and 60. Using /w 08 and 09 I didn't find much of a difference with the Jabra but I never used it with 04 so maybe that's why. The HBH 60 sounded fine to me I didn't find it too low for me and I didn't notice any hiss but I used indoors mostly not in the car at all where road noise could be a factor. From my messin around I found the HBH 30 and 60 fine on 08 and 09. I found the voices clearer using the HBH headsets compares to the jabra. I am going to try all 3 on f/w 11 for a couple days and see if I notice anything between that and using 08 and 09

Thanks for doing the research and report, I am looking forward to reading your findings with fw11.

Posted by: Synncere

N/P Mantis

I should have the post up in the next day or so

Posted by: Synncere

Well it's been a couple days and I have used the Jabra aswell as the HBH 30 and 60 headsets on my s55 using f/w 011.
Initially before activating the BT one main difference I found on the s55 was the java is alot quicker than 08 and 09, The menus still move the same rate as 08 IMO but faster than 04 for sure. Now I don't know if it was my eyes or not but the screen graphics looked crisper to me with 011. Another thing I noticed was that if you use picture caller ID you would have noticed that just the picture showed up on the screen... with f/w 011 the pic comes up and a second or so after the name of the caller shows up as well at the bottom of the pic.

Now as for the headsets.... I used my HBH 30 first and I found the sound clearer on 011 than 08. I found hearing the other person talk was much clearer and louder and I had not changed the volume on the side of the headset at all. I didn't notice anything odd happen at all I maintained a steady connection thru and thru. After using the HBH 30 on 04/05/08/09 and 011 I definately prefer it on 11.

Next up was Jabra... I couldn't tell the difference between 04, 08, 09 or 011 at all. No sound improvement whatsoever (well not to me there wasn't). The one problem that I did have using Jabra was that I had to repair my fone to the heaset a few times after I installed 011. When I went to transfer the call to the headset it wouldn't pick it up... so I tried to re-pair the two... it took 3 attempts before it found the headset. After that all was fine. Though I don't own this device I have had a chance to try it on 04/05/08/09 and 011. I would have to say it works great on all f/w versions.

Lastly I tried the HBH 60... now this was strange because I expected the headset to work just as good if not better than the HBH 30. I was so impressed the performance of my HBH 30 on f/w 011 that I had high hopes for the HBH 60.

I didn't notice a hissing sound but did have some static when talking on the fone. It was intermittent some calls it would be there lingering slightly and other calls it wasn't there. However when there was no static I found the other persons voice to be very clear and loud enough (well for me anyways) I couldn't figure out why I had gotten the static off and on. At first I thought it may have been because of the distance of where I was compared to the s55 but even keeping the s55 in my pocket gave me the same results. I haven't had a chance to try the HBH 60 on f/w 09 only 08 and 11 but from my experiences I prefered it on 08... however the biggest advantage f/w 011 has above 08 is the fact that you can transfer the call to the headset without tapping the side of the headet but I am so used to tapping the side and am conditioned to it so to "me"... that feature was useless but for those that wanted that menu option with 08 and didn't have it... use the HBH 60 on f/w 11.

My 5 cents

Posted by: chwang0129

I have FW 11 and i still can't pick up a call directly with my Jabra BT200.. sigh.. isn't FW 11 the latest??

Posted by: Synncere

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Originally posted by chwang0129
I have FW 11 and i still can't pick up a call directly with my Jabra BT200.. sigh.. isn't FW 11 the latest??

You need the HBH 60 to do that... unfortunately with the Jabra you will have to tap the side of your handset

Posted by: halfempty

So Synncere....

After your extensive testing, which BT headset do you recommend using?

I have a Jabra BT200 right now but have trouble taking it off and putting it on again, so I was thinking about going HBH-60.

I have a question about something that I don't think was mentioned at all.......

I used to have the T68i / HBH-15 combo and never had trouble when the headset went out of range and back in range again. If the phone rang it would automatically connect again.

With the HBH-60 / S55 combo is this still the case, or does one of the items have to be turned off and on again in order to reestablish the connection?

I used to have that problem with using the HBH-15 and Nokia 6310i where if they were out of range, I would have to re-pair the devices.

The reason I'm asking this is that I typically like to leave my phone on my desk and leave my headset on the desk or in my pocket. When the phone rings, I quickly put the headset on and answer with the headset.
At times, if I leave my office, the headset may be out of range of the phone.

Thanks for your help. Your a definite asset to this forum.
David

Posted by: Synncere

In all honest I prefer the HBH 60 with the s55. Although I have the HBH 30 and found no problems with it I figured there would be no difference between it and the HBH 60 that is until I tried it
It's an amazing headset...a definate plus especially with firmware vsn 011.

In my experiences with it I have never had to the problem of re-pairing the two or having it go out of range. Baker uses the HBH 60 you can always pm him and get his take on it but if I was asked what BT headset to use definately the HBH 60 hands down.

Posted by: halfempty

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Originally posted by Synncere
In all honest I prefer the HBH 60 with the s55. Although I have the HBH 30 and found no problems with it I figured there would be no difference between it and the HBH 60 that is until I tried it
It's an amazing headset...a definate plus especially with firmware vsn 011.

In my experiences with it I have never had to the problem of re-pairing the two or having it go out of range. Baker uses the HBH 60 you can always pm him and get his take on it but if I was asked what BT headset to use definately the HBH 60 hands down.

Good to hear. I was hoping you'd say that!

Cheers

Posted by: Synncere

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Originally posted by halfempty
Good to hear. I was hoping you'd say that!

Cheers

Posted by: jimahi

Well, I am seeing the same thing that RussK was seeing. I just got an S55 and I already had an HBH-60 that I was using with my r520m. Everything worked fine with the r520m. However, all is not happy with the S55 and HBH-60. The following work fine: answering with the headset, voice dialing, and transferring to and from headset (FW 11). BUT, when I dial a call on the S55 keypad, it DOES NOT automatically transfer it to the headset like the r520m did. I have to manually go into the right-hand menu (the one with the phone picture) after the call connects and select the "Call to handsf." menu item to send it over to the headset. Sometimes this transfer can take several seconds and sometimes it is very fast. I have tried FW 4, 5, 8, 11, and 12 and none of them seem to automatically transfer it to the headset after dialing. So, if someone else is seeing is seeing the headset automatically connect, then the only thing I can conclude is that there are different versions of firmware in the HBH-60.
Has anyone else had success in getting the headset to automatically connect when a call is dialed on the S55 keypad? Or, is the manual way the only way to do it? I bought my HBH-60 about 6 weeks ago and I am wondering if someone is having success with a "newer" HBH-60.

Thanks,
Jim

Posted by: baker

Hey Jim,

That is the way the HBH 60 works with the S55. I have the same setup and it works the same way as yours. I think Siemens purposely set it that way for some reason.

I agree, the way Ericsson has it set up is better because you don't have to mess with any buttons once the call is dialed. I don't if the Siemen's BT units works the same way. Does anyone on here know?

Posted by: VTECMAN

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Originally posted by jimahi
Well, I am seeing the same thing that RussK was seeing. I just got an S55 and I already had an HBH-60 that I was using with my r520m. Everything worked fine with the r520m. However, all is not happy with the S55 and HBH-60. The following work fine: answering with the headset, voice dialing, and transferring to and from headset (FW 11). BUT, when I dial a call on the S55 keypad, it DOES NOT automatically transfer it to the headset like the r520m did. I have to manually go into the right-hand menu (the one with the phone picture) after the call connects and select the "Call to handsf." menu item to send it over to the headset. Sometimes this transfer can take several seconds and sometimes it is very fast. I have tried FW 4, 5, 8, 11, and 12 and none of them seem to automatically transfer it to the headset after dialing. So, if someone else is seeing is seeing the headset automatically connect, then the only thing I can conclude is that there are different versions of firmware in the HBH-60.
Has anyone else had success in getting the headset to automatically connect when a call is dialed on the S55 keypad? Or, is the manual way the only way to do it? I bought my HBH-60 about 6 weeks ago and I am wondering if someone is having success with a "newer" HBH-60.

Thanks,
Jim

I was going to ask the exact same question, because i miss the way my t68i used to transfer to the headset automatically.

Posted by: bt2000

S55 hw vsn 16 + HBH-60: same behavior. No call auto transfer on dial out. I've been playing with this for a while and noticed that on one occasion the S55, instead of showing two BT icons with )) between them, was showing a BT icon + )) + a headset icon. When I placed a call while these icons were still on the sceen, it instantly transferred the audio to the headset. So, it appears that for some reason the S55 doesn't identify the HBH-60 as a headset, even if they are connected. Also, the very fact that they stay interconnected the whole time they are on is strange. If anything, this drains the phone's battery very rapidly.