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My 903 must be getting old..
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Posted by: riel

...Yesterday I started to notice a problem =/ After taking a picture and selecting "Save", it says "Please wait" for like 10 seconds before it actually shows the saving screen. It used to reach the saving screen much much faster.

I first changed the miniSD to a Kingston one because I wanted to see if it would perform faster than my other pqi one, and I saw this slowness. Then I put in my pqi again and the problem stayed.

Can anyone make my 903 feel young again?

Posted by: martindesu

I don't know if this is a firmware or card issue. The Euro firmware really is very quick indeed for photos. I haven't taken many yet with my Jap handset.

Posted by: riel

Forgot to mention mine is HK Firmware.

Just happened suddenly =(

Posted by: K_Gokiburi

Think it's most likely the card.

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Originally Posted by martindesu

The Euro firmware really is very quick indeed for photos. I haven't taken many yet with my Jap handset.

With the flip closed, the saving time for both Euro and JPN firmware is the same. With the flip open, the saving time is ALOT faster on the JPN firmware

Posted by: riel

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Originally Posted by K_Gokiburi

Think it's most likely the card.

But it happened suddenly, and BOTH cards gave me the result. Shouldn't that be the phone's problem then?

Posted by: hibiki0104

format the phone. it always help with me

Posted by: AL9999

The difference between JP and Euro/HK/TW firmware portrait phone saving times with the flip open is because of the different ways both firmwares handle vertically oriented pictures.

In JP firmware, the camera takes the picture in landscape and adds an EXIF tag to the JPEG file telling the viewing program to rotate the picture 90 degrees, displaying it in portrait orientation (although the data is still really saved in landscape).

In Euro/HK/TW firmware, the camera takes the picture in landscape and starts rotating the data to portrait straight away. This is what it's doing when it says Please Wait and is why with 3.2MP pictures it takes so long to get past this screen. After it's rotated the picture the phone saves it to memory.

This is why Euro/HK/TW firmware takes far longer saving portrait pictures than the JP one. Euro is rotating the picture after saving while JP is just adding a 'rotate me' tag to the picture's EXIF data.

Now to answer the OP's question, does this happen with the flip rotated and closed or when it's open? If it's when it's open it's normal to take like 10 seconds for the picture rotation to happen. If it's when it's closed then that's very odd...

Posted by: martindesu

I thought my Euro was slower taking them in full 'camera' mode because then when I preview the photos they are all auto rotated.

The JP firmware leaves them in the same orientation that they were taken... i.e. when you turn the phone on it's side during full 'camera' mode, take a photo, then go to view it when the phone is back in phone mode (shape), then it will not have rotated and will fill the screen when you open it.

The UK FW auto rotates, so when you preview it, it is actually the 'correct' way up but won't fill the screen without rotating it additionally.

I have already outlined this in this thread...

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1140656

Which no one replied to.

>> Al9999 do we agree on this hard to describe topic?

Posted by: riel

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Originally Posted by AL9999

Now to answer the OP's question, does this happen with the flip rotated and closed or when it's open? If it's when it's open it's normal to take like 10 seconds for the picture rotation to happen. If it's when it's closed then that's very odd...

It happens when the flip is open. It's weird coz it wasn't like this before.. the "Please wait..." screen passes a lot faster before =/

Ah well. Today I found that it's pretty inconsistent too.. I took 5 pictures, and 2 of them did not have the super long "Please wait..." screen while the other 3 did. No pattern either.

Posted by: AL9999

>>Martin
Yes, what you're saying is how it works. I might have been a bit vague but to clarify, JP firmware takes all pictures vertically and relies on telling the program viewing the picture on a PC to rotate a vertical picture on the fly if the flip was rotated and closed when taking the picture. Sadly, most viewers don't understand the EXIF command and display the picture vertically even if it was taken horizontally. The other firmwares take pictures horizonally with the flip closed, while when it's open it takes the picture horizontally and then rotates it vertically straight after, causing the 'Please Wait' display for several seconds.

Evidently, Sharp could only make the phone's camera software take pictures either vertically or horizontally and not switch this setting on the fly depending on the flip's state.

>>riel
When you took the pictures, did you wait any amount of time before saving them? The 903 will start rotating the pictures the moment you've taken them, whether you tell it to save it or not. If you decide to examine a taken picture for a while before saving it, you'll find that once you finally push the save button, the amount of time Please Wait gets displayed will shrink (because it's already done some processing while you examined the picture). If you push save straight away however, you'll be look at Please Wait for a good 10-15 seconds.

Also the pixel size of the picture affects the time Please Wait is displayed. If you take a 320x240 picture it lasts only a second, but a full 3.2MP picture takes much longer.

Posted by: martindesu

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Originally Posted by AL9999

>>Martin
Yes, what you're saying is how it works. I might have been a bit vague but to clarify, JP firmware takes all pictures vertically and relies on telling the program viewing the picture on a PC to rotate a vertical picture on the fly if the flip was rotated and closed when taking the picture. Sadly, most viewers don't understand the EXIF command and display the picture vertically even if it was taken horizontally.

It kind of makes glancing at the images in the other firmwares a little easier but its no real biggy - I mean, I can just rotate them on my computer if need be. Speaking of which - should I send via bluetooth, upload via USB or use a card reader to make best use of the EXIF command - or doesn't it matter when using iPhoto?

Thanks

P.S. The saving times on a photo are not so bad if you remember how amazing the camera is. Remember you have a phone that's nearly 2 years old (in Japanese spec).

Posted by: riel

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Originally Posted by AL9999

>>riel
When you took the pictures, did you wait any amount of time before saving them? The 903 will start rotating the pictures the moment you've taken them, whether you tell it to save it or not. If you decide to examine a taken picture for a while before saving it, you'll find that once you finally push the save button, the amount of time Please Wait gets displayed will shrink (because it's already done some processing while you examined the picture). If you push save straight away however, you'll be look at Please Wait for a good 10-15 seconds.

Also the pixel size of the picture affects the time Please Wait is displayed. If you take a 320x240 picture it lasts only a second, but a full 3.2MP picture takes much longer.

AL9999,

. Problem solved. Now that I think about it, I do examine the picture for before I decide to save it or not.

Thanks AL! In your debt =)

Posted by: AL9999

>>Riel
Glad I could be of help.

>>Martin
It shouldn't matter how you get the picture to the computer because that EXIF data is saved in the JPG file. It depends on what program you use to view the picture. Windows Picture & Fax Viewer doesn't support that EXIF tag if I remember correctly, whereas Adobe Photoshop does.