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wap.cingular versus isp.cigular
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Posted by: ccddo

If I upgrade to a treo 750, and do not upgrade to a pda data plan (stick with my media data plan) will there be any difference in internet functionality using the wap access point versus the isp access point?

Posted by: MyPyle

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with wap I don't think u can access a vpn

Posted by: JGON88

what is vpn?

Posted by: philpeeps

if you don't know, you don't need it....it's that easy....

Posted by: MyPyle

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a vpn is a virtual private network. most corporations use them for people who travel often. so far they are the most way to transport files to a remote location. they have yet to be hacked into.

Posted by: JGON88

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Originally Posted by philpeeps

if you don't know, you don't need it....it's that easy....

DONT BE AN ***.. just asking a question.

Posted by: Ink Noise

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Originally Posted by JGON88

DONT BE AN ***.. just asking a question.

He's right though. It's like Microsoft Exchange and Lotus Domino and things of that nature, you don't really need to know unless your company makes you use it.

Posted by: flamingcrumb

I'm no expert on this, but for what it's worth...

Microsoft Exchange 2003 with direct push instant email does its thing thing using standard HTTP... same kinda traffic as web pages. Think the data packets are securely nested inside in some way. I believe the idea is that it remains secure but does not require any special Virtual Private Network service - web only type access will work, Direct Push can be done over a simple WAP connection AFAIK. Not saying that is OK or not within terms of service or not, just that I believe it works fine in practice.

Re ISP versus WAP plans. my understanding that the ISP type plans gives direct unrestricted access to the Internet and the WAP is like being behind a router which is being shared and certain services may or may not be blocked now or in the future.

The WAP plan might work fine for you. If not, you could always upgrade if needed. I believe that anything with a Qwerty keyboard is encouraged to have a PDA plan, although there are contradictary statements on the Cingular website, so one could argue the point. Main test is, does it it do what you need...? Only you can answer that one.

BTW I see that a new PDA max plan for 40 bucks (I think) has appeared on the Cingy business pages. It includes unlimited Cingy Video (if your device can be made to work with it) plus 1500 messages. Dunno if they allow it on consumer plans as it is only shown in the biz section. Not a bad deal if one can get it.

All the best

Posted by: kevink1

My Treo came configured for wap. I actually tried ISP, and it seemed slower. Probably the DNS portion.

Posted by: MI_canuck

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Originally Posted by MyPyle

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with wap I don't think u can access a vpn

Yes you can. I access my companies vpn all day long, and have wap.cingular in the settings of my 8525... I can connect to the vpn either through 3G, or through wi-fi.

cheers

Posted by: flamingcrumb

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Originally Posted by kevink1

My Treo came configured for wap. I actually tried ISP, and it seemed slower. Probably the DNS portion.

It has been reported that the wap APN may do some compressesion which may help speed things along. If it is possible on your device you could try entering the dns servers of your choice to see that is helpful..... regradess of which APN you use. Some people like the ones offered by opendns dot com (see their site for details) but there are other options too.

I also read (on this forum) that if one has a MEdia Net plan to avoid logging on to the isp APN. Reputedly if it works at all, there is a risk of being billed per minute for it. This may not be applicable, as I don't know which plan you have... just mentioning it

Posted by: rdef

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Originally Posted by ccddo

If I upgrade to a treo 750, and do not upgrade to a pda data plan (stick with my media data plan) will there be any difference in internet functionality using the wap access point versus the isp access point?

There are many, many threads on this. Try searching. There are some VERY good, long explanations out there.

Posted by: kevink1

I have the PDA connect, so there isn't any additional charges.

I don't know about compression on wap. There is supposed to be the ispda.cingular access point with compression, but it didn't work.

As for VPN, it apparently depends on the VPN technology. Some will work through wap.cingular, some require isp.cingular. I've seen a list someplace.

Posted by: scaredpoet

Does anyone know if there's a specific code taht must be added to your account to permit access to the isp.cingular apn? I just tried it on my trep 750, and no dice, only wap.cingular works. I'm on the PDA Connect Unlimited plan.

Posted by: ROLLTIDE

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Originally Posted by scaredpoet

Does anyone know if there's a specific code taht must be added to your account to permit access to the isp.cingular apn? I just tried it on my trep 750, and no dice, only wap.cingular works. I'm on the PDA Connect Unlimited plan.

Do you have ISP listed under features ?

Posted by: SymbianBlack

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Originally Posted by philpeeps

if you don't know, you don't need it....it's that easy....

I love seeing idiots speak. If you wasnt gonna help them why badger them?

Posted by: kevink1

My bill shows isp.cingular.

Posted by: flamingcrumb

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Originally Posted by rdef

There are many, many threads on this. Try searching. There are some VERY good, long explanations out there.

A very valid point. May I also suggest that the Wiki could also be an excellent place to compile even more of this infomation. Not knocking the excellent Wiki, but some of it is still a little bit "bare bones" info right now. I don't wish to touch the Wiki myself as I do not feel I am nearly knowledgable enough, but if one of the many expert members finds a little time to spare and would be so kind as to expand it, I am sure everyone would be most grateful.

Posted by: i0wnj00

I believe this thread will help in explaining the difference between wap.cingular and isp.cingular.

Posted by: arche3

One thing I have discovered.... using a stock 8525 on cingular.

If I use the wap.cingular apn I am unable to use wifi. Or more specifically if I turn on wifi my data connection keeps trying to use the 3g wireless network. so the reult is I am unable to browse using pocket internet explorer nor send or recieve emails using goodlink on my 8525. the 8525 keeps switching off between wifi and 3g so nothing gets acccomplished. It is stuck.

BUT... If I use the isp.cingular apn I am able to use wifi. If I turn on wifi the data connection is kept active on wifi. I am able to send and receive emails via goodlink and I am able to browse the net using my 8525. I usually leave my 8525 on the isp.cingular apn because if I am on the net I prefer wifi as it is still faster than the 3g wireless signal.

I just created a new connection setting using isp.cingular.

both access points work the same for day to day use without wifi so I usually keep it on isp.cingular to save a step if I need wifi.

Posted by: RF9

I have the answer burried here on this page:
http://www.gadgetech.info/wireless/cingular/data/
I should probably rewrite and wiki this.

In short you don't need isp.cingular at all unless you need to do VPN which usually you only do on a laptop.