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Blackjack WM6 update on At&t forums!!!
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Posted by: Kevad007

Its too early to rule out the possibility that upgrading the Blackjack does in fact provide revenue incentives to AT&T. The Blackjack was a big seller with lots of users and with 3G it is one of only a few phones that can really take advantage of Napster downloads, New Video downloads, Video Share, and Microsoft Enterprise features including HTML mail via Exchange 2007. Microsoft & AT&T appear to be working together closely on business fronts and there likely is some revenue sharing on licensing higher volumes of mobile units using this new upcoming capability. Can the Blackjack use all these apps, will they, that we don't fully know yet.

Posted by: SunnyE

A forum post suggests that ATT will release WM6 by end of this month :
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...t=blackjack+wm6

Does anyone has any confirmed details about this or should I just give up and go ahead with the leaked version floating around.

Posted by: pgens

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyE

Does anyone has any confirmed details about this or should I just give up and go ahead with the leaked version floating around.

As with the last few hundred posts, no there are no CONFIRMED details. If anyone did they would have posted them or linked an announcement from AT&T. So unless you can just wait and see, install the beta leak to either hold you over, or perhaps use permanantly if no final version gets released.

Posted by: SunnyE

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgens

Is this the link to get WM6 beta for blackjack:

http://dan.omefilms.com/apps/i607UCGD2.exe

??

Posted by: SHoTTa35

it certianly is, download it before it's gone.

Posted by: txcaesar

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyE

Is this the link to get WM6 beta for blackjack:

http://dan.omefilms.com/apps/i607UCGD2.exe

??

yeah thats my site, it went down for awhile, but its up and running

there is also software for WM6, so help yourself

Posted by: spunkyBJack

Hey guys, still going thru the posts/threads and forum, without interrupting conversations, wow, a ton of information to absorb and I love it. Now, why are all the new phones coming out in a red theme this fall? I would prefer a nicer color than candy red, but if iphone is coming out in red, and BJ2 shows burgundy red wine color, too much red, get my point? Overkill... on a side note, still tweaking up my BJ to a new level, hopefully what I have read on the forums don't conk out my BJ.
I been thinking of upgrading next spring, but isn't it better to just update the memory chip/card then buy a whole new smartphone? Why pay for a 2 yr contract for the new BJ2 when one can buy it for 1 yr like I did when I bought my BJ ?
Hope I am making sense while typing 1/2 asleep here...MAN so much to take in from these forums, and alot of great developers here too, many, many are better than I am.

Posted by: Jase1783

Hey everybody!
Just wanna thank ya all for the great inside info.

Here is a possibility, maybe At&t will brought out the blackjack II because it is a much better phone than the original blackjack.

And with that being said maybe they are not gonna roll out WM6 for the original blackjack, but to give all original blackjack owners a incentive to upgrade to the new blackjack phone?!?

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackjack2/
Check out that link and read all the new enhancements!

Posted by: Kevad007

Having been involved covering tech companies as an online editor for many years now I find the issues involved with the AT&T Windows Mobile 6 upgrades for the Blackjack, 8525 and Treo 750 very interesting on the one hand and as a Blackjack owner/user, very frustrating on the other. Recently we have seen the Mossberg (reporter) vs. Largent (CTIA CEO) public online blog/story debate bring some of these issues to surface with Mossberg complaining about the way the Service providers control matters and lag behind Europe in many ways, and Largent of CTIA defending saying by doing subsidies/deals we get cheaper phones/services to more people and we still have hundreds and hundreds of choices. And we have bloatware with deals and terms of who knows what on phones that when they won't work on upgrades, stalls the whole process as we just sit back and wait.

Now its not just about when do we get the upgrades, but I really would like to know what held it up, why decisions were made to stay quiet when there was a fairly resonbable request to be informed about something we rightfully or wrongfully showed a high interest in. Is it marketing, is it for profit, is it they do not care, and if so why not? Is it they just have no real clue? Are there different approaches within different divisions, why is one winning over the other? Many of you don't need to care about these things, I do so because I cover them and interact with PR folkes, Comany reps., and others, and I just have never seen such an issue go on this long, with lot's of discussion, and an obvious reaction by the industry to not deal with it publically. What is their purported justification in their minds?

Today in the CTIA blog an AT&T public policy spokesperson was asked about the value and importance of AT&T being able to effectively communicate with the AT&T customers. Here is a link.

http://www.ctia.org/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/24/ATT

Quote:

I asked him if he thought that new media and social networking were ways that carriers could more effectively reach their customers, and he said yes, that companies "have to be able to communicate with customers at every level."

AT&T seemingly wants to demonstrate that no matter how many people voice frustration online in forums and blogs, they will follow their private reasons and purposes to the bitter end, and they will not show any concern or obligation to the customers. Doing so would just encourge more and more in the future and make new media such as these forums too powerful, to interfering with their goals that they have decided are good goals and not the customers business. Not even so much as a peep from them on this, ahhh but that is their final excuse for it all, we never promised you "officially" anything. Sorry you got a bit mislead, but we are spinning even that to our advantage! How you ask, sorry we cannot say!

So much for Mr. Jim Cicconi's opinion (is he really with AT&T and if so for how much longer) and by the way the great Mobile 6 upgrade delay of 2007 will be know as the way AT&T proved Mossberg's point! Hey, does the Exclusive Blackjack II have WiFI, oh but its ONLY $150. So the profit is not in selling the units themselves, ahhhhh, now we get it, and really have for a long time now! But they do have the final say, what are we going to do about it anyways!

The upgrade to the Blackjack will be out when it will be out, and I still am way over 50% that it will be out fairly soon. We will never know why the delays, cause AT&T has decided its none of our business to know ANYTHING! Just shut up, but don't be late with your payment! AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE!

Posted by: ROLLTIDE

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Originally Posted by txcaesar

yeah thats my site, it went down for awhile, but its up and running

there is also software for WM6, so help yourself

Thanks

Posted by: NickS_

For anyone who wants it, WM6 is in my sig still

Posted by: CocheseUGA

I'm getting close to not only trying the Beta, but app unlocking as well. I've been wary to do the latter due to warranty issues, but I'd really like a better Home screen.

Posted by: herbaliser

Quote:

Originally Posted by CocheseUGA

I'm getting close to not only trying the Beta, but app unlocking as well. I've been wary to do the latter due to warranty issues, but I'd really like a better Home screen.

have you seen SmartToolkit? that makes your home screen like 50% cooler.

Sentry closed the 100 something page thread on wm6 for the blackjack, stating that it shouldn't be discussed. he couldn't have closed it after the first post? AT&T is kinda a scary provider, like soviets or something.

Posted by: marshal

I just called Samsung Tech Support and was escalated to ECR, then to a supervisor. The supervisor told me the same thing: "No information was available." I asked him who would know, and he said "No one."

I then asked to be escalated to Tier 3 Support and he refused. I nabbed his name and rep ID number. I was getting frustrated. I have been waiting for so long.

Does anyone know of a fix for the end button issue in the beta?

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Quote:

Originally Posted by herbaliser

No, I haven't. I'm just starting to look into it, I'm real hesitant to mess anything up. It took me 15 months to try anything with my V3.

Posted by: herbaliser

Id give smarttoolkit a try. apparently its a little tough to uninstall, but i plan on having it installed for awhile.

heres the site if your interested http://www.smarttoolkit.mobi/download

screenshots are somewhere on there... if not i know cnet has some

Posted by: CocheseUGA

I can't seem to get any information on what it does in detail, at least not in any understandable english. It installs as a CAB? App unlock needed? What resources does it use?

Posted by: ROLLTIDE

What is turn on device with reflashing mode ? can somebody help me ... Thanks

Posted by: herbaliser

Quote:

Originally Posted by CocheseUGA

I can't seem to get any information on what it does in detail, at least not in any understandable english. It installs as a CAB? App unlock needed? What resources does it use?

yeah the guy that does it can't speak english very well, but he sure is smart. basically, if you've ever tried installing a custom homescreen it can look like wm6 at the top but not the bottom, where it says start and contacts. SmartToolkit does the opposite of most homescreens. adds a start menu, which has fade and scroll animations, is transparent, and you can set up the right soft key to be anything' shortcuts, time, messages.

i put the cab on my storage card, installed to phone from there.
I don't know what an app unlock is, so chances are no
I dont think its too resource heavy, it makes managing your tasks very easy though if you set it to "show deskbar."

overall it looks really cool now with the standard black theme, looks awesome from the screenshots of it running wm6

heres a link http://www.smartphone-freeware.com/...t-alpha-3c.html

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Got it installed, it takes a little while to get used to. I wish there was a way to take off the clock, it's a bit redundant.

I can't reassign the right soft key, though.

Posted by: herbaliser

heres a screencap of mine running the dock theme from ekopapers.com. looks pretty cool imo. if you open the start menu and goto control panel, select hotkeys, where it says taskbar (key 13). im assuming that you can assign anything to be the rsk, it says you can add a "run program" command there.

oh thats on wm5 if anyone was wondering

Posted by: CocheseUGA

I can't assign anything to the right soft key.

Posted by: herbaliser

oh yeah your right says forbidden to use...wonder what key 13 is, i just deleted mine. anyways the rsk having task manager is definitely something that takes getting used to

Posted by: pgens

FWIW AT&T briefly posted a notice on WM6 availability for the 8525 and soon took it down (ref http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1265159), but it apparently said that it would be available for 90 days ending 1/31/2008. That points to an Oct 31 release for it.

Because the 8525 was one of the three said to get the update (with the BJ and and Treo) this points to possible good new for us on Wednesday the 31st.

People were saying "there has never been anything official from AT&T" on these upgrades, however now we have (briefly) seen one.

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Yeah, I saw that too. I think that's the real reason the thread on the AT&T forums was closed, didn't want anyone discussing it. That place is pathetic.

Now that I've app unlocked my phone, might as well try the beta.

Posted by: LuvrGirl

What does an "app unlock" do?

Posted by: Da_G

See my post here re: app unlocking..

http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...466&postcount=4

Posted by: sb0611

On the Samsung i600 WM6 upgrade page only the Austrian version is not available yet. Once that's completed there is hope (I have that somewhere a long time ago) that the BJ (as the US version) will be next in line.

Posted by: sb0611

How can the BJ be Telenav GPS compatible?
http://www.wireless.att.com/busines...on-services.jsp

Posted by: chudy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb0611

How can the BJ be Telenav GPS compatible?
http://www.wireless.att.com/busines...on-services.jsp

if you have an external bluetooth gps receiver then it works fine.

Posted by: Kevad007

Hey does anyone have a link to that new book "Consumers are from Mars, Telecom Providers are from Venus" (PS according to the author there is no truth to the rumor it was first named "Consumers are from Earth, Telecom Providers are from Uranus")?

OK, maybe we need a new approach since we just don't seem to be able to get through to them we would like to have some level of communications on the issue of WM6. They have learned a corp. mentality that just cannot be penetrated, they are right, we are wrong. Of course maybe they know any communication would not cast them is any better light because the real reasons for their decisions are not good ones.

According to Debrah Norville's new book we should all just move on and let "The Power of Thank You" take over. I do want to thank Cingular, AT&T, Samsung and Microsoft for the Blackjack, it has generally worked well and was a nice step forward for my needs, and I have used it in both a productive and entertaining way for almost a year now, and I will probably not cancel my data plan, and will continue to use it in a positive way for many more months! So Thank You!

.....

........................OK, can we now get the upgrade? (Thank you in advance?)

Posted by: causticfix

hahaha...ive had the beta stored for a while now, have just been waiting to flash it...i finally decided to install it so sat down & read thru this thread...& promptly deleted it.

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Reason being?

Posted by: Batman665

Quote:

Originally Posted by CocheseUGA

Reason being?

VOOODOOOO!!!!

Posted by: iceninecynic

Anybody using WM6 rom with the OZ Messenger with AIM, I can't figure out how to scroll up in my conversations. Anybody having the same problem? And have hopefully figured it out.

Posted by: causticfix

Quote:

Originally Posted by CocheseUGA

Reason being?

if thats meant for me....because the cons outweigh the pros for me personally. beyond the discussed problems, i have a lot of apps that i use pretty frequently & some may not transfer to 6...profimail, flash video & multi-file download PIE plugins, prelude messenger, sniper...just to name a few. even if they transfer fine, i dont know that it is worth the trouble, or that much of an improvement over the setup i have.

im overclocked & have smart tweaker functions that let my bj fly, so speed & keyboard speed arent really an issue for me. profimail does html...i dunno, i just didnt see enough to convince me to switch...esp considering the known issues.

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Quote:

Originally Posted by herbaliser

Id give smarttoolkit a try. apparently its a little tough to uninstall, but i plan on having it installed for awhile.

heres the site if your interested http://www.smarttoolkit.mobi/download

screenshots are somewhere on there... if not i know cnet has some

Let me know if you know how to uninstall it. I can't stand the duplicity of the clock, and don't see any way to edit it out.

I can't believe there isn't a Homescreen thread besides the one for the Dash. I think there should be one for us Tilt/8525/BJ owners as well.

In the meantime (and since this thread isn't going anwhere):

Modified Eko's Vista Grass theme to be more palatable to darker backgrounds. Might go back and edit the buttons as well. Favorite thing I've found that uses both Facade and Fizz (which I guess I'll have to buy now, I like them so much).

Not bad for my first day of XML editing, I'd say.

Eko's, for reference:

Posted by: causticfix

^^nice homescreens.

newest version of SmartToolkit (RC06) is a cab install instead of exe...it can be uninstalled just like any other app now. also more polished & many other improvements over version RC05...make your own plugins, general settings actually works, copy paste menu is now icons, ability to set a default file explorer, & more.

excellent software...amazing its still free at this stage.

Posted by: Batman665

You can minimize those windows, right?

And that looks very nice.

Posted by: CocheseUGA

I don't think so.

Posted by: herbaliser

damn cochese test at 930 on monday?! lol now you cant check if the update comes out then... can you post your homescreen i personally like it a lot more than with the windows

"edit* nevermind just realised it requires fizz and facade

Posted by: CocheseUGA

There is a version that doesn't require either (in the Vista Grass form) here.

Fairly simple to convert into a dark background if you know what to look for in the XML.

That test is going to suck, but I'll be done early.

Posted by: Jay0284

anyone know where else i can find the file for wmg? megaupload says it is not there

Posted by: CocheseUGA

What's that?

Posted by: herbaliser

i thinks he speaks a tale of where g=6. upside down, but a nice attempt.

I've never done coding, instead I've been focusing my time learning 3d modeling for school in January. That and of course waiting for wm6.

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Quote:

Originally Posted by herbaliser

i thinks he speaks a tale of where g=6. upside down, but a nice attempt.

I've never done coding, instead I've been focusing my time learning 3d modeling for school in January. That and of course waiting for wm6.

In that case, someone in this very thread has it in their sig.

Posted by: txcaesar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay0284

anyone know where else i can find the file for wmg? megaupload says it is not there

I'm happy to help, but in the future please read the whole thread, there is alot of info here...

http://dan.omefilms.com/apps/i607UCGD2.exe

also in the /apps folder is alot of sw for WM5/6. read thru the posts and youll see what all I have there.

Posted by: herbaliser

check this out. fourth post down is a collection of all rumored release dates. pretty soon but i doubt AT&T.

http://forums.cingular.com/cng/boar...scending&page=6

Posted by: player911

it requires you to sign in. bah.

How bout a quick repost of the data?

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Quote:

Originally Posted by player911

it requires you to sign in. bah.

How bout a quick repost of the data?

He's talking about the 8525 upgrade.

Posted by: herbaliser

"# Q3 2007 Release Date:

1. Seen on at least one AT&T official site page: (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...q_sku=sku970003)
2. There is doubt about what Q3 means. Yahoo finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=t) for AT&T lists fiscal year ends in DEC-31. If that is the case, then Q3 ended in the beggining of October and (as of this posting) the release is 27 days late.

# November 2 2007 Release Date:

1. I found an official link on this AT&T page offering the download, explaining that it would be available for 90 days, through JAN-31-2008: (http://www.wireless.att.com/busines...dows-mobile.jsp)
2. The November 2nd date was calculated by another user based on the listed availability limit on the page.
3. The link sent you to HTC America's support page and only the firmware upgrade was available. A call to HTC inquiring about that met with surprise and confusion from the HTC representative.
4. Whithin a day that offering was removed (I posted the message on this forum on the 25th and on the 26th the page had been edited and the Windows Mobile 6 offer was no longer listed).

# Immediate Availability:

1. Two of my calls to customer support yelded a response that it was available through the Microsoft Windows Mobile official site.
2. Many more users claim to have heard this same claim (the reason why I don't bother calling customer service).

# October 26th, October 30th 2007:

1. Seen throughout this forum.
2. Based on conversations users had with customer service reps, articles read in other forums and other undocumented hearsay (no links provided -or available- to said documents, posts, articles, etc).

# FALL 2007 (Ends, in the USA, on DEC-22-2007):

1. Explicitly offered for free, by HTC, on their website: (http://www.america.htc.com/products/8525/default.html)
2. My single call to HTC (when I called to inquiry about the link from the AT&T page) yealded a response that "HTC has nothing to do with the upgrade, I have to speak to AT&T". I did not force the issue."

cochese theres reasonable suspicion that the blackjacks upgrade should be same day or close.

Posted by: CocheseUGA

Oh, I know, it's supposed to come this week. But all the points he listed about specifically being promised and it being on the box referred to the 8525.

Posted by: Jnowak1981

It's out!!!!!!!

NOT. LOL. I guess we'll see tonight ey?

Posted by: mike.parsons13

Dude....that's not even right...

Posted by: CocheseUGA

It won't even be tonight, it will probably be Thursday.

If the 8525 gets theirs tonight, that would be a good sign. If not, then who knows.

Posted by: pgens

I knew my ignore list needed updating... I just had no idea with whom and now the mystery is solved!

Posted by: Jnowak1981

hehe

I figured this forum needed much missed humor.

Posted by: Jnowak1981

Well 12:01 EST 10/30 - No WM6 on Samsung's website

But then again - I can't login to my account on att's website... hmmmm.... updates?

Posted by: herbaliser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jnowak1981

Well 12:01 EST 10/30 - No WM6 on Samsung's website

But then again - I can't login to my account on att's website... hmmmm.... updates?

i believe AT&T headquarters are in the Midwest (Texas) and West (California). I may be wrong about the California one, it may be east coast and your right.

I expect all 3 at the same time since Samsung's apparently not been working on it since September 17th.

Posted by: lostsoul86

Quote:

Originally Posted by herbaliser

i think there is one in cali i think its in Cerritos

Posted by: Jnowak1981

Well no 8525 update on the HTC website either. Bummer.

The funny thing is that I imagine someone behind the scenes at AT&T enjoying this and purposely holding out on the updates - it makes him/her feel like god I bet! LOL. "Yes my sheep, you will follow every clue and hint I give you"

I got youf igured out AT&T

Hehehe

Posted by: SHoTTa35

Hey someone check this out:

Quote:

Originally Posted by integra95gsr

Alrighty, entered the 1234 number and the phone says.. PDA:i607UCGI3 & Phone:i607UCGI3. So different than the numbers someone said above. Also another thing is the fellow i bought it off said it was bought by his work as a company phone. There is a sticker on the outside of the box that say's where the phone was sold to i think. "Customer : Microsoft Corporation" is what it says.. Weird..

Settings > About :
Windows Mobile 6 Standard CE OS 5.2.1437 (Build 17944.0.3.1)
Radio Version i607UCGI3, RIL Version 2.002.

I hope this will maybe aid someone in helping me solve this WM6 mystery..lol
Not to mention, i love WM6..

Unless that guy is pulling our chains it looks like someone has the final version.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1267809

The thread there.

Posted by: pgens

Who knows. On one hand I count four grains of salt (Posts: 4) and wonder why anyone with that version, who is likely under NDA, wouldn't flash the phone back to either the leaked beta or WM5 before ebay'ing it because it risks trouble. On the other, who knows anything can happen. We'll see what the version number of the true final is, assuming we ever see it

Posted by: pgens

The WM6 update for the 8525 is live on the HTC site, hopefully this is good news for us!

Posted by: Jnowak1981

sweet

Posted by: Anderfrank

where is wm6 for the blackjack? huh? lucky 8525 owners...

Posted by: herbaliser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anderfrank

where is wm6 for the blackjack? huh? lucky 8525 owners...

AT&T is saying that they didn't know htc would be putting it up today. Im guessing it was supposed to be out tomorrow hopefully along with the other 2.

Posted by: blaugh

I've been anxiously waiting for WM6 for my blackjack, along with all of you, but I am curious as to where exactly the update will appear. I subscribe to this thread to follow the progress, but where can I check to see if/when it's available? Some are talking about AT&T, some about Samsung, some about third party sites. A link to a definitive source where it will be available would be awesome!

Posted by: Parsonsbri

When the last update for WM5 (rebranding from Cingular to ATT) was posted, it was on Samsung's site in the FAQ's. I anticipate it showing up in one of these two places:

Samsung Blackjack FAQ

Samsung Blackjack Download Center

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Also, AT&T says they will post a link here:
(They have already posted the WM6 update for the 8525 here, so this is likely to be a good place to check. The problem was that many in the AT&T forum had the link hours before AT&T could post it or knew it was up on the HTC site! )

AT&T Windows Mobile PDA link

Posted by: pgens

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parsonsbri

When the last update for WM5 (rebranding from Cingular to ATT) was posted, it was on Samsung's site in the FAQ's. I anticipate it showing up in one of these two places:

Samsung Blackjack FAQ

Samsung Blackjack Download Center

Doubtful on the second one as the rebrand flash was never put there.

Posted by: blaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parsonsbri

Also, AT&T says they will post a link here:
(They have already posted the WM6 update for the 8525 here, so this is likely to be a good place to check. The problem was that many in the AT&T forum had the link hours before AT&T could post it or knew it was up on the HTC site! )

AT&T Windows Mobile PDA link

Thanks for the links...I hope this comes tomorrow!

Posted by: pgens

Another link to try is this one, which links to the rebranding update page and would probably link to the WM6 update page under the "Device Software Updates" link:

http://www.wireless.att.com/busines...ckjack&x=17&y=7

Posted by: BradleyH

8525 WM6 has been released (yesterday, 10/30).

Blackjack WM6 projected release is now at least 11/12, possibly 11/19. Sorry...

Posted by: blaugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradleyH

8525 WM6 has been released (yesterday, 10/30).

Blackjack WM6 projected release is now at least 11/12, possibly 11/19. Sorry...

Where is that information from? Link?

Posted by: CocheseUGA

I'd take that with a huge grain of salt. There was some numbnuts on the AT&T site claiming June.

Posted by: jhruth

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradleyH

8525 WM6 has been released (yesterday, 10/30).

Blackjack WM6 projected release is now at least 11/12, possibly 11/19. Sorry...

Is that 2008 or 2009 ?

This whole update is such a sad joke. I can not WAIT for the dissapointment to set in AFTER it's released and it's no big deal at all. I've been using the WM Leaked ROM for months - NOT a big deal.

Posted by: SunnyE

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

Installed the leak version of WM6 few days ago. Seems to work fine. Media net was bit messed up (proxy settings ?) Got rid of proxy settings and now it seems OK

Not a huge upgrade, should have been called 5.1 instead of 6

Posted by: pgens

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunnyE

Well, it is... Windows Mobile 5 is based on Windows CE v5.0, and Windows Mobile 6 is based on Windows CE v5.2. It really is a point release with a fancier name that just confuses consumers.

Posted by: sb0611

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhruth

WM6 is just one side of the story, though.
If the bugs are not addressed like bluetooth, dropped calls, etc. then it would be dissapointing indeed. I think WM6 is just the icing on the cake.

Posted by: TerryMathews

Quote:

Originally Posted by sb0611

WM6 is just one side of the story, though.
If the bugs are not addressed like bluetooth, dropped calls, etc. then it would be dissapointing indeed. I think WM6 is just the icing on the cake.

We can only hope. All I can say to offer as proof is that the i600 (Blackjack's international brother) had the same funky Bluetooth stack, and it was replaced in the final version of WM6. People can use MS Voice Command over Bluetooth, verified.

Posted by: sb0611

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryMathews

That's what I am hoping for, too. Maybe the new radio version will fix some of the dropped calls issues as well.
On another note, the i600 update page has only Austria missing. I remember reading somewhere that the BJ update will be published as soon as all i600 eligible countries are upgradable.

Posted by: AvengerBB

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradleyH

8525 WM6 has been released (yesterday, 10/30).

Blackjack WM6 projected release is now at least 11/12, possibly 11/19. Sorry...

Any info on the treo 750?

Posted by: Da_G

I'm not sure that the i600 uses the same bluetooth chipset as the i607. I haven't looked into it in detail but something's different that won't load bluetooth at all with the stack from the i600..

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradleyH

8525 WM6 has been released (yesterday, 10/30).

Blackjack WM6 projected release is now at least 11/12, possibly 11/19. Sorry...

With all due respect, how do you know? This is the first time I have seen dates in November past the 11/2.

To come here, make a claim and then not post the source of the information does not lend much credibility to the dates.

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

I'm not sure that the i600 uses the same bluetooth chipset as the i607. I haven't looked into it in detail but something's different that won't load bluetooth at all with the stack from the i600..

Wont work. Different radio altogether from what I understand.

Remember that there is a distinct difference in the euro business model compared to over here. Way easier to upgrade without all the bloatware added.

Posted by: Kevad007

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With all due respect, how do you know? This is the first time I have seen dates in November past the 11/2.

He knows some people in a division of AT&T and has posted other correct information about the Tilt, the 8525 and perhaps other matters. His information does depend on things being accurate to those he knows, so you are right to question its accuracy but he has been right before and has seen some inner company communications and spoken with some people in some of the loop. Also, he has posted more recently in an 8525 thread that it looks more like November 19th.

I still say its more marketing issues and perhaps issues with new applications, but something that is really appearing to stick out is the Good Mobile Messenger problem. They reportedly have missed several deadlines to resolve issues of using their software on Mobile 6. It was left out of the Tilt with a mention, and now the 8525, it says to note if you use Good, do not upgrade, its not included. At least with the Tilt and 8525 it appears AT&T decided to go forward without the Good application. Its interesting it is a very competitive business product with using Outlook Mobile on Mobile 6 with Exchange Server 2007. Did Microsoft do something to make it harder for Good application to run, or has Good been dragging their feet on purpose and demanding that AT&T wait cause they had a deal for the product to be on the phones. Good may not want so many phones to suddenly get access to html mail and other Exchange server 2007 improvements that Mobile 6 allows, but who knows. It just seems that there is more to this than getting Mobile 6 to work on these phones. Maybe legal issues, cause the behavior of AT&T in staying so silent is odd, although Marketing (let BJ II get out first) and issues like with Good, adding Video Share, Napster could explain some things.

Posted by: Da_G

Well, I sent a pm to integra95gsr offering to walk him through the ROM extraction or post a step by step guide. Tested it on my BJ w/WM6 from april, works great. If he uploads it I can put together a hacked upgrader in two shakes

Posted by: Kevad007

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Well, I sent a pm to integra95gsr offering to walk him through the ROM extraction or post a step by step guide. Tested it on my BJ w/WM6 from april, works great. If he uploads it I can put together a hacked upgrader in two shakes

That is awesome, hope you two can do it! I will be silently cheering you along all day!

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

Why do this as opposed to the leaked rom? Is there any difference?

Posted by: Da_G

Yeah, the leaked rom is dated 4/22/2007, the new rom is dated some newer date, won't know until I see it

Also the version numbers are different, i607UGB4 (Beta, april 2007) i607UGI3 (presumed final, appears on at&t's answer center knowledgebase)

Posted by: SHoTTa35

oh man, that'll be so sweeet!

Very interesting, i searched the AT&T Answer center for the version number and came up with 1 result:

https://www.wireless.att.com/suppor...nt=KB62179.html

and if you click the Samsung Blackjack with Windows Mobile 6 link:

https://cingular.atgnow.com/cng/tutorials/KB85717.html

it's dead....

Very interesting

Posted by: Da_G

Yeah, they were up for about 2 weeks before some of them got pulled.. but it did show that version number in the screenshots, which were all dated 9-27 with some dated 10-11. Alot of the screenshots also had active AIM and MSN accounts in them, it looked like whoever made the screenshots was actually logged in to their own account.. and one of the screenshots was blurred out but it was of AT&T's corporate email and you could make out "Blackjack WM6 Approved for Re.." on it.. I posted about it a couple pages back, and someone in the AT&T forums came up with links to all the active KB's..

Still no reply from integra95gsr, doh.

Posted by: Kevad007

He did this evening in the other thread within the Smartphones Category, he said to go for it and post instructions for him how to do it!!!

Posted by: Da_G

Instructions posted. Who can taste the wm6 goodness cookin'?

Posted by: Jase1783

Something fishy with Samsung's website. When you try to enter the mobile phone page with the blackjack..... pages says unavailable....???

Service Unavailable - Zero size object
The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later.

Reference #15.7c65adc.1193918003.1cf5bc3

That is what the page say's when you try to open it!
Sounds like a new upload.......

Posted by: pgens

It says that just by clicking on the general support link, so it isn't just the Blackjack area.

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

Instructions posted. Who can taste the wm6 goodness cookin'?

I really hope he responds and we get a crack at this. Just for grins, it would be cool to have it ahead of the update release...and then go brag on the ATT forum

Posted by: Da_G

Haha, yeah won't that be funny. AT&T wants to be a big ol' stickler when it comes to something as trivial as an updated ROM that's been in their hands for who knows how long (we'll find out as soon as we get it what the compile date is)

Random ebay purchase > AT&T. lol :P

Well, he says he's busy today, so we got at least another day to wait, whee! Maybe AT&T will buck up and beat him to it :P

Posted by: Kevad007

OK, while we wait, for amusement we could have dozens of HoFo'ers call Samsung Support at 1-888-987-4357 and indicate they are having problems getting to install the new Blackjack Mobile 6 upgrade (which is technically true cause its not out yet) and see if one them slips and says, "hmmm, I thought that wasn't going live until ........"

Maybe he'll want to take a break from his test preparations later today?

Posted by: MDIFILM

had anyone here actually go to ebay and just buy the wm6 rom that they are selling for like $3 or so and see if it's the latest or just some beta ones? I've noticed a bunch claimed to the the 100% actual rom....

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevad007

OK, while we wait, for amusement we could have dozens of HoFo'ers call Samsung Support at 1-888-987-4357 and indicate they are having problems getting to install the new Blackjack Mobile 6 upgrade (which is technically true cause its not out yet) and see if one them slips and says, "hmmm, I thought that wasn't going live until ........"

Maybe he'll want to take a break from his test preparations later today?

C'mon! How can this not be the center of his life? We are waiting and he has the gall to do other things. How offensive.

Posted by: Da_G

Buying a rom off ebay is a good way to spend money for something you can download off the net for free.. i'd be genuinely shocked if anyone was selling the final wm6 rom on ebay.. it's all the april beta :P Why not just log in and ask them what the version number is? I bet they skirt the question with an answer like "Windows Mobile 5.2 aka WM6"

Posted by: MDIFILM

The reason I asked this question is because there are soo many people here soo eager to get it, and if it's only for $5 or less (your McDonald meal) and perhaps it can be a real wm6, why would people still whinning when they 'can' already get it somewhere and some place...

Posted by: Kevad007

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C'mon! How can this not be the center of his life? We are waiting and he has the gall to do other things. How offensive.

I suggested in the other thread he needs incentive to have his priorities straightened out! So far it appears no female HoFo'er have contacted him yet to make him a deal he cannot refuse

The first call I made to Samsung support the guy did not fall for it, he replied "Are you that guy from Howard Forums?"

Posted by: chudy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDIFILM

The reason I asked this question is because there are soo many people here soo eager to get it, and if it's only for $5 or less (your McDonald meal) and perhaps it can be a real wm6, why would people still whinning when they 'can' already get it somewhere and some place...

....if it's not released by samsung or att, what would make anyone think that some joe shmoe on ebay already has it?? i guess if someone is gullible enough to believe you they deserve to lose their lunch money

and why do you want to keep pushing the ebay idea so blindly? or are you the seller?? :P

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Well, he makes a good point. For a finski it might be worth checking out.
I emailed a few of the guys selling it on ebay and asked for file names so we can determine what the rom date is and if it is at least an updated version.
Who knows, for $5 it might be worth it.

Posted by: Kevad007

At this point it just seems very unlikely that the final version is not done and ready to go. The Pantech Duo and Motorola Q9h both have Mobile 6 Standard Edition as well as 3G and they are in stores now. They had to have been certified by AT&T weeks ago!

How representatives of both AT&T and Samsung can just sit there and rationalize holding this update any longer is nothing more than stupidity! If they have some data or opinion that doing things this way will somehow help sales of the BJII or improve their stockholders, I think they caugh a wiff of something from a pipe down some alley! Someone has snowjobbed the others to believe his/her position, and I hope to heck he gets fired when it all proves to have been the wrong choice!

It does appear that both companies put out information to string us along so that they could announce the Blackjack II and just buy time. Had they not done so, we would have had cooked ROMs long ago, just as the 8525 and Treo 750 did. Nobody wanted to put in the time to cook a ROM when at every moment the release date was unofficially leaked to be right around the corner.

Sure there may have been some issues but come on the leaked ROM in late May did not have that much to fix and Samsung appears to have fixed bugs that were common to the i600 now almost 2 months ago. If it was GOOD that held this up, someone ought to really look into that, it seems very fishy to me that Mobile 6, in beta last November, announced in Feb., in most hands in final version March and April, could not work together with GOOD at this late date. No, we don't know but this has been the most screwed up update I have ever seen, and the excuses are like rear-ends, everybody's got them. Yeah, its just an update, but it sure opens the eyes to the messed up way this whole business works!

I would like to know is Good Mobile Messenger available and working on ANY Mobile 6 (Pro or Standard) unit now out at AT&T stores?

Posted by: herbaliser

First, how would microsoft not have access to the rom? they wrote the darn os in the first place. the story definitely matches why the updates there in the first place, but if microsofts been distributing them to employees who were in turn ebay-ing them and we didn't notice? If it is in fact a near final build or whatever, i know ill feel like a fool.

Posted by: Da_G

From what I saw looking at the differences between the april rom and the june rom, they were working on fixing the borked bt stack and video share.. i posted a quick overview in the smartphone forum.

Posted by: Parsonsbri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevad007

At this point it just seems very unlikely that the final version is not done and ready to go. The Pantech Duo and Motorola Q9h both have Mobile 6 Standard Edition as well as 3G and they are in stores now. They had to have been certified by AT&T weeks ago!

How representatives of both AT&T and Samsung can just sit there and rationalize holding this update any longer is nothing more than stupidity! If they have some data or opinion that doing things this way will somehow help sales of the BJII or improve their stockholders, I think they caugh a wiff of something from a pipe down some alley! Someone has snowjobbed the others to believe his/her position, and I hope to heck he gets fired when it all proves to have been the wrong choice!

It does appear that both companies put out information to string us along so that they could announce the Blackjack II and just buy time. Had they not done so, we would have had cooked ROMs long ago, just as the 8525 and Treo 750 did. Nobody wanted to put in the time to cook a ROM when at every moment the release date was unofficially leaked to be right around the corner.

Sure there may have been some issues but come on the leaked ROM in late May did not have that much to fix and Samsung appears to have fixed bugs that were common to the i600 now almost 2 months ago. If it was GOOD that held this up, someone ought to really look into that, it seems very fishy to me that Mobile 6, in beta last November, announced in Feb., in most hands in final version March and April, could not work together with GOOD at this late date. No, we don't know but this has been the most screwed up update I have ever seen, and the excuses are like rear-ends, everybody's got them. Yeah, its just an update, but it sure opens the eyes to the messed up way this whole business works!

I would like to know is Good Mobile Messenger available and working on ANY Mobile 6 (Pro or Standard) unit now out at AT&T stores?

This theory is a lot of speculation obviously, but from a corporate perspective it does not line up. If that was the case all they had to do was say the the WM6 update would launch at the same time as the BJ2. No more flames, you have a firm date, end of story.

Posted by: Da_G

Oh, and since no one linked to it in here,

i607UCGF1: http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...49&postcount=41

My quick comparison between it and i607UCGD2: http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...23&postcount=53

Posted by: Kevad007

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Well you have to remember there are two corporate perspectives at least, AT&T and Samsung. They do not want to announce a phone too soon and usually wait until close to launch. There are many reasons for this including they need to sell out the old inventory and announcing a new phone is coming often drops the price dramatically. They also want to keep the other manufs. unaware of the features and timing of new items so they do not come out with something better, sooner. They could not say we are holding this up until the BJII cause no one was to know about it until now and have a big launch at a major Trade Show.

What we do know is that store employees and online customer reps were allegedly told various dates over and over and none of them came to be. And we have no cooked ROM. No, I think someone at AT&T is laughing at us. You know they think we are "Hacks" and not good people anyways!

Of course to get the BJII ready in time for the holidays it probably did not hurt to have all of us testing out a leaked WM6 and finding the many bugs very quickly for them. And this delay is the thanks we get!

PS Sorry my writings have been distracted somewhat today, its hard to concentrate with those damn black helicopters flying over my office constantly

Posted by: jeter0490

i bought the ebay wm6. they are the leaked roms we already have. Be aware and do not buy

Posted by: MDIFILM

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Originally Posted by chudy2

lol, nah, I wouldn't cause I was banned from ebay a long ago for complaining about paypal.

Posted by: MDIFILM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

Oh, and since no one linked to it in here,

i607UCGF1: http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...49&postcount=41

My quick comparison between it and i607UCGD2: http://www.howardforums.com/showpos...23&postcount=53

Da G, so is the new leaked rom much better than the previous one?

Posted by: pgens

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDIFILM

Da G, so is the new leaked rom much better than the previous one?

I loaded it a few hours ago. Aside from the things already mentioned I can tell zero difference between it and the April leak.

edit to add: and because of the slight differences, it's my gut feeling that aside from some bluetooth fixes I really doubt there will be much difference between this and the "final" rom. I'll definitely install the final whenever it comes out, but the June leak availability really takes the heat off in my view.

Posted by: UnstableTruth

AT&T Mobility CSR here. Our local Samsung rep was in our store the other day. I asked about the update and he said very very soon. He has the (currently) Internal-Only final release sitting in his email, as he claimed. I jokingly asked if he could forward it my way and got the typical "No way in hell but funny you asked" look.

If some traveling salesman for Samsung has the "final" it should be in our hot little hands shortly.

He also commented on my WM6 Beta Blackjack and laughed. The guy had the personality of a board of wood but attempted (and failed) at humor. Nice guy, just as deep as a roadside puddle. I got what I could out of him and he was on his way....

Hate to reiterate what's already been said but: "Soon."

Posted by: Da_G

Having some fun hacking away at the UCGF1 release since it's "new", got OBEX FTP working a treat. NAP still doesn't want to give me an IP tho. Got DUN enabled, haven't tried it yet. Was auto answer in? I don't remember if I hacked that in or not, lol. Ported over "Closed User Group" which doesnt seem to have any function here in the states. Enabled band selection through the settings menu, but it wants to use euro bands instead of USA, so that probably won't work.

Obex FTP works perfectly, it's even listed on the phone's features, wonder why it got disabled. http://wap.samsungmobile.com/uaprof/i607_10.xml

Tried internet sharing ported over from i600, same behavior as with the april wm6 beta, it won't let you press 'connect' on the interface if you have it configured in the registry.

Posted by: ilvla2

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnstableTruth

AT&T Mobility CSR here. Our local Samsung rep was in our store the other day. I asked about the update and he said very very soon. He has the (currently) Internal-Only final release sitting in his email, as he claimed. I jokingly asked if he could forward it my way and got the typical "No way in hell but funny you asked" look.

If some traveling salesman for Samsung has the "final" it should be in our hot little hands shortly.

He also commented on my WM6 Beta Blackjack and laughed. The guy had the personality of a board of wood but attempted (and failed) at humor. Nice guy, just as deep as a roadside puddle. I got what I could out of him and he was on his way....

Hate to reiterate what's already been said but: "Soon."

He sounds like Ben Stiller in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" LOL Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Ferris Bueller

Posted by: duckworth

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnstableTruth

Wow, I gave up on my Blackjack months ago but decided to check back on this thread to see if they ever released the update, and am amazed that it still hasn't happened. I remember when it was a week or two away back in July and I was checking daily, lol. I'm glad I gave up when I did.

Posted by: player911

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckworth

Quitter! lol

Posted by: SHoTTa35

i just installed the new ROM from rapidshare. It works great and all that... i didn't test the known bugs yet but i would have figured by now they fixed that. It was 2 months since the last older one. Oddly enough tho, before i flashed my phone the End button going dead bug wasn't affecting me therefore i didn't even restart my phone for about a week. It did previously but oneday i restarted it and i got calls and it still worked just fine

Well just tested it and it works for now. Not sure if it's totally fixed or if it's the same situation as above when it works sometimes and sometime it doesn't

The other "bug" of pressing and holding still isn't fixed but the FN key is there for that reason and i'm starting to wonder if they removed it for whatever reason. They put the FN key there to get alternate key and i find it faster anyways than pressing and holding.

I noticed now my DATA icon no longer has the white box around it. Anyone know how to put that back? I rather it that way oddly enough

Oh and also Windows Update for Vista has drivers for the phone dated June 23. They poped up and downloaded when i plugged it into my laptop. It still doesn't work tho with updating the phone or atleast i couldn't get it to work.

Posted by: WolfpackinCO

One thing I have noticed is that the tethering issue is not fixed. You still have to select between activesync and modem when you want to tether to a laptop, and it won't charge the phone when on modem. not good!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MDIFILM

how do you backup your files right now before the flash? I am soo tempted to flash the newer file but am judging between doing it or wait for the official rom...

Another question is the MAIL button work now? in the previous wm6 rom if you press the MAIL button (next to the ? button) it will not go to the message center as it did on wm5.

Posted by: pgens

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDIFILM

how do you backup your files right now before the flash? I am soo tempted to flash the newer file but am judging between doing it or wait for the official rom...

Contacts/Calendar info via ActiveSync, the rest will get blown away. If you have files or such you need, copy them off via Explore in ActiveSync. The entire unit gets blown away when you apply these firmware updates.

Posted by: Parsonsbri

I am inclined to wait. Since I have been running the early leaked version, I have been very happy. No real issues for me. It's taken the sting out of the wait.
Who knows, maybe I will do it this weekend for giggles. I just hate setting up my mail accounts all over again.

Another question on the "tethering not being fixed". Are you looking for it to be automatic or something?

Posted by: SHoTTa35

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Originally Posted by MDIFILM

snip

Another question is the MAIL button work now? in the previous wm6 rom if you press the MAIL button (next to the ? button) it will not go to the message center as it did on wm5.

That always worked for me. I had the old beta and that worked just like it does now.

And did it ever charge when on "modem" setting? As far as i know the only way to charge via USB is when it's on Mass Storage mode.

Posted by: SprintNewbie

been playing with the new one and the only thing i notice is that when connecting to the internet i no longer the the "H" symbol i had been getting before, it just stays at 3g.

Posted by: WolfpackinCO

Parsonsbri,

What I'm looking for is for the phone to charge when it's being used to tether to laptop for an internet connection. Most phones do this today...otherwise you suck a lot of juice when you're tethered and by the time you're done, you would consume half your battery...In WM5, this was accomplished via Internet Connection Sharing...

Posted by: MDIFILM

ok, i'm going to plunge into it now.... wish me luck

Posted by: Da_G

You could probably get away with making a backup using sprite or something else and moving to the UCGF1 version and restoring the backup.. there are very few registry settings different between the two. Of course it's always better to do a clean install without restoring a backup.. but in this case they're similar enough that it should work.

Posted by: SHoTTa35

Quote:

Originally Posted by SprintNewbie

been playing with the new one and the only thing i notice is that when connecting to the internet i no longer the the "H" symbol i had been getting before, it just stays at 3g.

Yeah you're right about that, I still got 747Kbit/s tho via mspeed. So maybe it's just a display bug but as long as it's actually using HSPDA then i'm fine with that

Posted by: MDIFILM

ok, loaded wm6 leaked version 2 (the June version), compared to the previous version, I like this one, since the previous one the email never worked.

However, I will miss internet sharing.

Stuff I've installed onto and checked:
Application Unlock
Sirius wm5
Voice Command v1.6
Live Search
InboxExtender
GoogleMap

And so far all the above works.
I also got videos tested
my own homescreen design works (YAY - you can grab it here: http://www.rapturethemovie.com/rapt...escreen-wm5.zip)

email works, internet works, cell works.

QUESTION: is the IM included now uses Data Plan or still SMS? I was wondering about that because if it's using SMS I'll just install my Mundu.

QUESTION2: how the videoshare works?

Posted by: chudy2

the final wm6 rom better have internet sharing....without it it's useless to me...

Posted by: treefrog

Quote:

Originally Posted by chudy2

the final wm6 rom better have internet sharing....without it it's useless to me...

Yeah, I'm finally getting a new laptop for personal use next week, which will have built-in bluetooth and I really want to use ICS. I tried it when I had WM5 and it was just so easy to do. So much better than DUN/AT&T CM/blah. Seems like with bluetooth and ICS you could just basically make your phone a quasi-access point for Windows PCs with just a click.

Posted by: Da_G

I'm not thinking it's very likely ICS is gonna be in the final release, given that between april and june they took out more of it... but hey, if I can't hack it into the final release, i'll write my own damn internet connection sharing program. :P My hx4705 longs for mobile internet again...

Oh yeah, included IM program is OZ Messenger as with the included IM in most at&t phones, it uses SMS for messages. IM+ is still in open beta for the time being and uses data.

Posted by: chudy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

I'm not thinking it's very likely ICS is gonna be in the final release, given that between april and june they took out more of it... but hey, if I can't hack it into the final release, i'll write my own damn internet connection sharing program. :P My hx4705 longs for mobile internet again...

Oh yeah, included IM program is OZ Messenger as with the included IM in most at&t phones, it uses SMS for messages. IM+ is still in open beta for the time being and uses data.

that's disappointing to know that they took more out instead of fixing ics... I haven't gotten around to hacking away on samsung roms yet but one would hope it should be relatively manageable to hack the i600 ICS into the i607?

Posted by: Da_G

Define "relatively manageable"

The current problem with porting ICS from i600 is detailed earlier in this thread. Essentially if you use it without being configured, it connects but doesn't work (because it's not configured), and if you configure it, it won't connect at all. If I could get a frickin debugger that worked on TI OMAP CPU's I could figure it out in a jif, but so far I havent been able to figure out where the issue lies manually disassembling the ics components.

By the way, is anyone interested in the Bluetooth OBEX FTP profile? I can put together a cab to enable it if anyone wants, it's all neatly tucked away in the settings - connections - bluetooth - OBEX FTP Server Setting menu like on i600:

Posted by: MDIFILM

thanks Da_G, I saw there's videoshare settings, but is it just like calling someone and then 'activate' it?

Posted by: chudy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

Define "relatively manageable"

good point...i had similar success (or lack thereof) with the original leak but gave up thinking the official will get released soon.

unless i'm way off base here, ics is high-level enough code where the small hw differences between i600/i607 should not matter...so if we can get all the pieces /reg entries etc off i600 then stuff should work (what about pulling wm5 ICS off the original i607 wm5 rom?) that's my wishful thinking atleast.

either way if the final rom doesn't include this i'll be alot more committed to tearing the damn thing apart to get ics working....

Posted by: Da_G

Right, it should be that easy, but so far its not looking that way. I've disassembled as far as I can go in the .dll's and pulled out all the registry calls and calls to other dlls, and copied over what's missing, no-go. There must be something else we're missing - take a look at the work done on XDA developers trying to get the cardwheel/carousel plugin off i600.. it's got the same issue.

MDIFILM: I dont have videoshare myself, but the way it's supposed to work is both parties have the videoshare service on, and it connects in the background to an IMS server running on the backend, when it detects that you are talking to a videoshare-capable number it allows you to turn on video share from the right softkey during a call. Again havent tried it because I don't have videoshare on my account.

Here's a quick dependancy breakdown:
IntShrUI.exe:
aygshell.dll
bthutil.dll
coredll.dll
commctrl.dll
intshare.dll
ole32.dll
ossvcs.dll
btdrt.dll
TapRes.dll
Various keys in:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\InternetSharing
HKLM\Comm\InternetSharing
HKLM\System\State\Hardware

Drilling down to intshare.dll:
ws2.dll
cellcore.dll
iphlpapi.dll
bthutil.dll
Various keys in:
HKLM\Comm\InternetSharing\Status
HKLM\Comm\InternetSharing\Settings
HKLM\Comm\ConnectionSharing
HKLM\Comm\RndisFn\InternetSharing
CLSID E2BDC372-598F-4619-BC50-54B3F7848D35

and the dependancies contine on down the line, but those are the immediate relevant ones. Taking a look at my filesystem, intshare.dll, intshrui.exe, ipnat.dll are the files missing. I need to drill down further to actual function calls to see if maybe there's a missing function call in our bluetooth stack or something. As I recall, the key to intshrui.exe not functioning properly is either \comm\connectionsharing or \comm\internetsharing, if one of those keys is present it won't let you enable it.

Posted by: chudy2

thanks for the info da_g...looks like you've done a good amount of digging on this already. let's see how the official rom behaves or whatever integra95gs can provide. hopefully if we're stuck with a broken ics for real with official rom something can be done...i'll definitely be investing more time on getting ics working on the official or integra95gsr roms...

any word on integra95gsr? was he willing to do a dump or did he go mia with his wm6 bj?

Posted by: thecableguy

I'm guessing those of you who are so concerned with ICS must be in 3G areas? I can't see where EDGE would be worth sharing except in urgent need.

Posted by: MDIFILM

even with EDGE it's always good if you can 'tether'. When I was in Myrtle Beach, I had to check email daily and the wm5's Blackjack did a lot help for cleaning out all the spams and checking on important emails... sadly it was like on 128kbps speed. but it helps anyway.

Posted by: Kevad007

I thought I read that Internet Sharing was in the 8525, and the Tilt? Maybe I'll run down to my local AT&T stores to see if its on the Pantech Duo and Moto Q9h.

Although we do not want to throw too much at integra95gs, at some point perhaps we can tell him how to find ICS in Windows Dir, and how to Shortcut it, and have him try it out.

Remember, integra95gs may be a bit intimidated by the process at first and isn't he also new to the Blackjack. I think the suggestion to be on live with him on IM was great, that ought to help a lot although who knows maybe he's got more experience than we think!

And if all else fails Da G you can just hop on a plane, meet him at a Starbucks and do it for him right

)))))

Posted by: SHoTTa35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

By the way, is anyone interested in the Bluetooth OBEX FTP profile? I can put together a cab to enable it if anyone wants, it's all neatly tucked away in the settings - connections - bluetooth - OBEX FTP Server Setting menu like on i600:

Yeah, i definitely want it

So send it to me if you can

Posted by: REDorsey

If anyone can help me, I am trying to upgrade to Mobile 6 on my Blackjack. Found 2 links on this thread and downloaded the file. I first reset the phone, and am now at the point of trying to install - but it refuses to "find" the device. I am following the instructions step by step and am getting "Device not found". What am I doing wrong? Thanks!

Sorry - I forgot about the 3 buttons to push simultaneously - now it is working. Hope this goes OK!

Posted by: joshbish

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDIFILM

Stuff I've installed onto and checked:
Application Unlock
Sirius wm5
Voice Command v1.6
Live Search
InboxExtender
GoogleMap

have you tried VC initiated over bluetooth?

Posted by: MDIFILM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshbish

have you tried VC initiated over bluetooth?

ok, it does semi work, I just tried it, with wm5, VC doesn't even play back it's voce through the bluetooth, but with wm6 (the 2nd leaked version) it works. I use the Motorola BT820 stereo headset and just press and hold the volume button to get the VC and then say call xxxxxxx and it was working, I can actually here the name repeated back from the bluetooth.

As for settings, I set to use bluetooth whenever it is available, everything else is the same.

So I guessed it does work

for now....

Now I got a question: with wm5, when you press the send button you get to see the calls that was received/made (call log), with wm6 now, not only it shows the call logs, it also show the contact listing. Is there a way to permanently turn the contact listing off instead of going in there and do it everytime you access that area?

Posted by: Jay0284

If your computer isn't findin the device, try turning off the usb connection in your activsync. I had the same problem. I am not sure where I found my wm6 rom (somewhere on here), but things seem to work pretty smooth. I am not sure about internet sharing, because i dont know what that is. THere were some orignial problems, (back button didn't work, and some other issues) but after a few resets it seems to work great. Only problem i have is that deleting all messages in the inbox is harder, and you can't do while you are in the inbox. Holding down my end key does lock the phone.

I went to ATT and actually chilled behind the counter with the sales reps the other day, and word is that since BJII is coming out, ATT isn't going to release the rom, in hopes that you upgrade your phone.

Posted by: pgens

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay0284

I went to ATT and actually chilled behind the counter with the sales reps the other day, and word is that since BJII is coming out, ATT isn't going to release the rom, in hopes that you upgrade your phone.

Right, in the same way they didn't release the 8525 rom in hopes people would buy the Tilt.

Posted by: Kevad007

Quote:

Seems that they are aware that the upgrade won't be out till well after the BJII goes on sale on or about Nov. 12th, 2007. They waited 25 days till after the Tilt for the 8525 upgrade. These types of tactics may work in the short term, but eventually what they did and why will be much clearer to us all, and in the long run, if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth, perhaps there will be choices to make someday! Now if they want to let us do an exchange for free if we extend another year, but how likely is that? Hmmm, breakfast time, what's cookin?

As Kurt Vonnegut once wrote:

Nice, Nice, Very Nice, So Many People in the Same Device
Nice, Nice, Very Nice, So Many People in the Same Device
Nice, Nice, Very Nice, So Many People in the Same Device

Posted by: Da_G

Well good news, looks like integra95gsr is gonna do the dump today. (w00t)
The hard part will be converting the raw imgfs into a flashable update for the phone. Anyone good at writing little applets to manipulate data?

Posted by: robi39

Anyone knows what's the hardware version in the new leaked rom?

Posted by: herbaliser

Quote:

Originally Posted by robi39

Anyone knows what's the hardware version in the new leaked rom?

well im almost positive its been posted here about 3 times, and if you go to the actual topic for the leaked rom (actually not here at the official one) you can look all that up.

I think daG posted a full comparison of the top issues between the beta and the f1 release a few pages back.

Posted by: robi39

Ok H/W version:
REV0.0

on the first leaked rom it is right below Phone version
which is i607UCGD2 on the first leaked rom.

Anyone knows what it is on the new leaked rom?

Posted by: Kevad007

Quote:

Well good news, looks like integra95gsr is gonna do the dump today. (w00t)
The hard part will be converting the raw imgfs into a flashable update for the phone. Anyone good at writing little applets to manipulate data?

I take it that its not as simple as just cutting or carving the data out of an existing working ROM file and pasting/replacing in the part you get from the process with integra95gsr?

Posted by: Da_G

No, not that simple, needs a header and checksumming, good news is JugglerLKR over at xda-dev wrote a program that does exactly what i need. I'm uploading a cooked UCGF1 to my bj right now just to verify that i've got the process down right.

btw for hardware version, it's a simple string contained in the registry and \windows\versionid.txt as well i believe, it has no bearing at all on the system other than a samsung going in and changing it for some reason.

Posted by: robi39

Cool Thank you Da G

Posted by: MobileServer

Da_G or anyone,
Anyway to get the bj to show current network connected instead of the name from SIM.
I use my bj for both at&t and t-moble?
When using on t-mobile, my bj shows VStream.

Maybe the new ROM has the fix.

Good work on the new ROM.

Posted by: Jnowak1981

Posted by: Jnowak1981

So will BJ II have Internet Sharing? I ask because I currently just hook my BJ up to my PC and surf the net that way. It's sufficient enough for my use so I don't have to pay another Internet bill.

I tried researching it - but it's all too confusing to me.

Anyone?

Posted by: chudy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jnowak1981

So will BJ II have Internet Sharing? I ask because I currently just hook my BJ up to my PC and surf the net that way. It's sufficient enough for my use so I don't have to pay another Internet bill.

I tried researching it - but it's all too confusing to me.

Anyone?

generally, people should NOT consider cellular data as an ISP replacement...that's kinda of a dangerous territory from what i've been reading. at&t really frown upon heavy data users especially when you don't subscribe to their tethering data plans...i'd be careful with what you use it for; occasional web browsing might be fine but if you use it for youtube and big downloads you'll likely get red flagged...

from what i know, ALL providers have a usage threshold...check out:
also http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/...ted-data-usage/

go read the main att forum. there is lot of discussion going on right now about people getting cought with the wrong plan or being forced to pda plans etc...

Posted by: Jnowak1981

I've had the PDA MAX plan on it forever. So I'm already paying $40+ a month. That's why I don't wanna pay another Internet bill.

In any case, my question still remains unasnwered.

Posted by: chudy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jnowak1981

I've had the PDA MAX plan on it forever. So I'm already paying $40+ a month. That's why I don't wanna pay another Internet bill.

In any case, my question still remains unasnwered.

i did go off on a tangent heh...

from my research no bjII document says one way or another whether ICS is a feature or not. i think we won't know till people start getting their hands on them.

i use this feature too especially when traveling so I sure hope they didnt cripple the phone...

Posted by: Jnowak1981

LOL.

Yah I've done the same reasearch - but the BJ 1 description on AT&T's website say nothing about internet sharing either.

Anyhow - CHUDY - as in "skinny" in Polish? LOL

Posted by: Kevad007

One way we can maybe get an idea is to see if the Pantech Duo and the Motorola Q9h have it. Both are brand new Mobile 6 Smartphones with the same Standard edition. Both are with AT&T. I will try to get to the AT&T stores this weekend and will try and look. If any HoFo'er have them we might aske them. I do believe that the Tilt and just upgraded 8525 both have ICS and again these are At&T phones just released.

Also, we can hopefully get a chance to talk to this integra95gsr later when he gets back from work as he seems to have a more recent version of the Blackjack ROM on his phone.

Maybe the leaker of one and two will leak an August or later version and we will know for sure if its back in!

Posted by: Jnowak1981

Well AT&T's website claims that the Q9 can be tethered to your laptop and used as a modem.

So I'm guessing it has it.

Posted by: Kevad007

As you may know, even without ICS you can connect your Blackjack to your computer and have the Blackjack connect to the Internet as a modem for Internet connection on your computer.

Start -> Settings -> 6. Connections -> 4. USB -> USB Setting: select "Modem"

Problem is its more steps, you have to set up the modem on your PC to dial etc... and your Blackjack does not get powered/charged by your computer so it goes down fast. I have done it with both WM5 and WM6 on the Blackjack.

Posted by: chudy2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jnowak1981

LOL.

Yah I've done the same reasearch - but the BJ 1 description on AT&T's website say nothing about internet sharing either.

Anyhow - CHUDY - as in "skinny" in Polish? LOL

hehe, yes...i see your username looks Polish too?

Posted by: Jnowak1981

Quote:

Originally Posted by chudy2

hehe, yes...i see your username looks Polish too?

Yup

Posted by: Jnowak1981

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevad007

As you may know, even without ICS you can connect your Blackjack to your computer and have the Blackjack connect to the Internet as a modem for Internet connection on your computer.

Start -> Settings -> 6. Connections -> 4. USB -> USB Setting: select "Modem"

Problem is its more steps, you have to set up the modem on your PC to dial etc... and your Blackjack does not get powered/charged by your computer so it goes down fast. I have done it with both WM5 and WM6 on the Blackjack.

A-ha. Did not knwo that. Thank you.

But yah it looks like ICS is the better option then.

I wonder...

Posted by: Kevad007

It appears that Samsung is in competition with AT&T to see how slowly they can update their respective web sites. Currenly losing the race is Samsung who after just 11 days from announcement has finally got at least some mention of the Blackjack II on its site. And just check out how much detail they have up, its just staggering

http://www.samsungmobileusa.com/blackjackII/

AT&T is going for the world record, May 31, 2007 and still no update for the 3G coverage map that used to be updated monthly.

So impressive, I admire their determination to be so slow and win.

I do admit that the price of the BJII is not bad, but AT&T's decisions to limit Wi-Fi so we have to get their data plans, and perhaps make sure Samsung cripples non-USA phones just stinks!

This is what I was hoping for in the BJII, what the Europe i780 has, just announced! This is not the i760 for Verizon, but the i780! Originally it was unclear and there were a number of photos and stories after it was spotted during during GITEX show in Dubai, but Samsung now put up a press release in the past few days confirming it for Europe and not having the right specs for North America.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6855.html

http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsams...s&news_seq=4148

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/new-blac...ased-304259.php

http://www.gpsandco.com/articles/newsitem.php?id=5143 (french)

http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/09/...hone-confirmed/

http://phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung...cle-a_2095.html

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives...g_sghi780.html\

So will this ever make it to the USA? If it were coming I'd pass on the BJII for sure!

Posted by: herbaliser

kevad isn't unlocking the phone an option? i agree that the 780 looks like a gorilla compared to the bj2 goose. couldn't we pick one up online and unlock it?

Posted by: pgens

Quote:

Originally Posted by herbaliser

couldn't we pick one up online and unlock it?

You can, but according to the links posted it doesn't support 850 MHz, which makes it less usable here in the US depending on your level of 1900 coverage.

"HSDPA/WCDMA/GSM/GPRS/EDGE connectivity (900/1800/1900 +2.1GHz)"

Posted by: Da_G

Anyone wanna guinea pig a cooked UCGF1 rom for me?
So far I haven't done much, putting together a framework in anticipation of the final release.
As of this moment it comes with security fully off (no app lock, no prompts, etc.), OBEX FTP server, and the missing Internet Sharing files from i600. Although that doesn't work.. yet. Still havent put together the OBEX FTP cab, busy working on the kitchen

Posted by: robi39

Is this the new rom from integra?

Posted by: Da_G

No. Integra's rom is the final, assumed UCGI3, this is the june leak, UCGF1.. i'm just wondering how compatibile it is with other people's hardware, before i get into more serious modding work. Works fine on mine. Should be little danger of bricking the phone since the flasher im using flashes the PDA part independantly.. it won't touch the eboot or phone roms.. so you should be able to flash back to any rom you want if it doesn't work.

Posted by: robi39

I don't know if i could be helpful since i'm really not interested the internet capabilities of the phone, i don't even have any data plan.
Also can i flash this rom within vista?
Any news from integra?

Posted by: Da_G

Don't know. No one's tested this flasher, let alone with vista.. which is why i'm asking for some volunteers

Integra asked me for my AIM screen name earlier, but I haven't heard from him.

Posted by: herbaliser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

Don't know. No one's tested this flasher, let alone with vista.. which is why i'm asking for some volunteers

Integra asked me for my AIM screen name earlier, but I haven't heard from him.

I do not regularly have access to an xp computer as all the progams i need run fine on vista such as 3ds max and modo. If someone else can verify it installing fine on vista, id be happy to help out with further testing.

Posted by: beaups

whats the difference between this "cooked" rom and the f1 I downloaded and installed from rapidshare?

Posted by: SHoTTa35

well hmm, anyone else noticing the phones signal is worse than before? With the OLD Beta i got decent signal in my room, now i'm getting non sometimes and i gotta put the phone on speakerphone to use it more. I do like that my end button keeps working tho

Posted by: MDIFILM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHoTTa35

well hmm, anyone else noticing the phones signal is worse than before? With the OLD Beta i got decent signal in my room, now i'm getting non sometimes and i gotta put the phone on speakerphone to use it more. I do like that my end button keeps working tho

Not here, I upgraded to the F1 2 days ago and so far so good, the only annoyance is that when checking the call log via the send button I get all the contact numbers which then I have to manually swtich to only show the calls made etc (which is just extra step that is not good when driving).

My battery is not even heating up, but I do not know if it last longer or not will try that today all day doing music and such to do some test with it.

Posted by: Yarga

The only thing I really need fixed by the official WM6 ROM is the ability to form a Bluetooth connection with my BMW. All previous ROM's could not do this due to the wonky Bluetooth stack used by Samsung.

I just tried using the F1 ROM with no improvement.

Do I have any hope that the official ROM will fix this?

Thanks for all of your help in advance. . .

Posted by: pgens

I'm having trouble browsing in IE and accessing one of my email accounts with the F1 ROM, not only over mobile data but when hooked into ActiveSync.

Posted by: Da_G

The bluetooth connection to BMW is specifically disallowed through a registry key. You could remove the key, but it has to be there for a reason right? Maybe it'll make your BMW explode.. but if you wanna walk on the wild side, i'll go find the key and post it. I'm sure you can find it if you search the registry for "BMW"

BTW I said what was in the cooked rom earlier, i'm mostly interested in testing the flashing process since it will be the same once we get our grubby mitts on UCGI3..

Posted by: Yarga

Yes! I would love to find this registry key. Please post it if you are able. . .

Why would there be a specific regidtry key for BMW anyway?

Thanks, Da_G!

Posted by: cvb

That makes no sense. Why would someone write code to "disable" BMW connectivity.

Posted by: Da_G

Don't ask me, I didn't write it :P Looks like it might be only for the audio portion tho, I remembered seeing BMW in there at least..

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Au dioGateway\NoAutoConDevice\BMW ]
@="BMW_CARKIT"

Created and uploaded a fully automated ROM extraction kit for integra, hopefully that makes it easier for him to get the new rom to us

If anyone wants to try a UCGF1 i cooked with OBEX FTP Server, here it is:
http://rapidshare.com/files/6732224...cooked.rar.html
if you try it let me know if you run into any problems..

I'm also putting together a ROM Kitchen based on Samsung i718 (i710, i718+) ROM Kitchen - xda-developers.

Posted by: xSNOWCAT

blackjack is now sold im considering a unlock shadow

Posted by: MDIFILM

Da_G, why can't you post that earlier? (like 2 days ago) now that I am soo happy with the f1 version you posted earlier, and got all the programs installed. :P

Also, what's the ftp do?

Posted by: Yarga

Thanks! Da_G for the BMW registry hack. . .

Posted by: Da_G

Well I wanted a few people to test it first.. to make sure it wouldn't blow people's stuff up or anything :P

OBEX FTP Server allows you to choose a directory such as My Documents to be shared over bluetooth.. anything paired over bluetooth can then upload/download to that folder. similar to obex object push, but it works in 2 directions, plus you can configure it not to prompt you for each file, making it easier to transfer over a large number of files.

I plan to periodically make releases as I add more features..

Posted by: herbaliser

midi you might want to wait til later today, daG posted up an automated dumper for integra's (assuming) final he has on his phone. The version numbers are letter sets apart so im guessing we can expect some major revisions even over the f1.

Posted by: cvb

I take it all back. I was wrong to doubt you

Da-G, this totally fixes the BJ in my 2008 BMW 535xi. Not only does the phone pair now, I get my phonebook on iDrive.

This saved me from buying a new Moto Q9h. I'm soooo happy

Yara, thanks for your instructions!!

1) Get a registry editor
2) Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Au dioGateway registry key
3) Delete the entire key that is called NoAutoConDevice (there is a setting specific to BMW under this key)

Reboot the phone and it should work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvb

That makes no sense. Why would someone write code to "disable" BMW connectivity.

Posted by: bbc581

Sweet! Glad to hear it worked... You can disregard (below)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_G

Don't ask me, I didn't write it :P Looks like it might be only for the audio portion tho, I remembered seeing BMW in there at least..

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Au dioGateway\NoAutoConDevice\BMW ]
@="BMW_CARKIT"[/URL].

As I recall, there have been several issues with BT in the automobile. Most of them appear to be the result of the Service Discovery Profile configuration or lack of service provision (registry keys or even files missing) configured into the cell phone's BT stack. Handset's configured as a slave within the connection may also experience issues, however this may depend upon which service you are referencing.

Although I do not have a Car Kit per say, I would suppose it's primarily function is to fascilite an Audio Gateway alternative to using a Handsfree Headset. Dial-up Networking, for traffic updates, may be necessary for GPS integrated units... and I believe for those lucky enough to have this functionality built in (as opposed to having to buy a separate TomTom or Garmin like unit) OBEX Contact Info might be requested of the handset to assist in picking waypoints. That's why I like loading up my iPAQ with similar software. It's an all-in-one solution that isn't a headache to take out and move to another car/truck when I want, plus I can switch back and forth between various software.

Was there something specific, besides what he was referencing, that I might be able to help research? I've already grabbed some related cabs that might be of use in clearing this up...

Hope this helps!

Posted by: treefrog

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvb

Da-G, this totally fixes the BJ in my 2008 BMW 535xi. Not only does the phone pair now, I get my phonebook on iDrive.

Da G is the man... he made my w810 so much more enjoyable to use when I had it... makes me want to make sure I always have whatever phone he is currently using, cause I know he'll fix all my issues for me (or just give me new features I never knew I wanted)... lol...

Although, I'm not fortunate enough to have the "problem" of pairing my phone to a new BMW... hehe.

Posted by: Da_G

Good news.. the raw image for UCGI3 is being uploaded as we speak

I'm not at home.. but maybe i'll work on preparing it here if i get some time.. after all i've gotta beat AT&T just to spite 'em :P Note that the phone and eboot versions will remain what they were before you flashed it. Having said that, I don't think there'll be any problem as a result of that.