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Posted by: anubis9278

what's your initial thoughts? its great for pr but comp still sucks.



Posted by: ivwshane

I haven't seen the marketing on it but so far it doesn't look any better than what it was.



Posted by: blue.cing

It does look better. Saves me some headache when upgrading.
Many waived activation fee, several $50 and a few $100 extra discount. People love it. And several on them commented "AT&T begin rewarding good customer AGAIN"
Maybe I am repeating myself but former AWE reps should remember. The Upgrade Advantage is nothing else then old CUP in different packaging.



Posted by: TimeBandit

I think it sucks they got rid of the 1yr upgrade. I know we don't get comped great on those but still there are customers who want 1 yr agreements. This is a mistake by Cingular/At&t in my opinion.



Posted by: ivwshane

Quote:
Originally Posted by blue.cing
It does look better. Saves me some headache when upgrading.
Many waived activation fee, several $50 and a few $100 extra discount. People love it. And several on them commented "AT&T begin rewarding good customer AGAIN"
Maybe I am repeating myself but former AWE reps should remember. The Upgrade Advantage is nothing else then old CUP in different packaging.


Those offers would be nice, I just have yet to see one.

I loved cup, mainly because it was back in the days and we used to make good money (I remember when it took three upgrades to equal the commission of one activation).



Posted by: GSM4ruralareas

Anything like Sprint freebies. What types of discounts.



Posted by: Jolt_Cola

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Originally Posted by ivwshane
Those offers would be nice, I just have yet to see one.

I loved cup, mainly because it was back in the days and we used to make good money (I remember when it took three upgrades to equal the commission of one activation).


Well what i loved about cup was that you could go into the history and see when they did it, for what contract and and what location they did it. No disputes, no arguements, you had it all laid out clearly. even what discount they got and the total with taxes and all the other stuff.



Posted by: ivwshane

Why does the sub forum view show the last person to post in this thread was jolt cola?

In another thread you posted gsm4, you were the last person to post but the forum view shows jolt cola as the last person to reply.



Posted by: Jolt_Cola

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivwshane
Why does the sub forum view show the last person to post in this thread was jolt cola?

In another thread you posted gsm4, you were the last person to post but the forum view shows jolt cola as the last person to reply.


it may be because gsm4 got banned again, I just noticed it.



Posted by: MrDumbDumb

Have done quite a few waived activation and a bunch of $50 off handsets. Had one guy who has 5 BBs at 44.99 plus 3000 minute plan has been with us for 6 years but because he travels a lot and roams he wasn't eligible for NOTHING!!!!. He averages about 62 bucks in features on every line and we couldn't even waive his activation and he wasn't even eligible for upgrade pricing???? becuase he roams to much, pure BULL!!! Otherwise yeh, love it except we have to ask our manager about 20X a day to approve it.



Posted by: ivwshane

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDumbDumb
Have done quite a few waived activation and a bunch of $50 off handsets. Had one guy who has 5 BBs at 44.99 plus 3000 minute plan has been with us for 6 years but because he travels a lot and roams he wasn't eligible for NOTHING!!!!. He averages about 62 bucks in features on every line and we couldn't even waive his activation and he wasn't even eligible for upgrade pricing???? becuase he roams to much, pure BULL!!! Otherwise yeh, love it except we have to ask our manager about 20X a day to approve it.


You don't need to have it approved, just click next.



Posted by: blessd24

I like the new program alot. I hate upgrade fees and this gives a good way around them.



Posted by: cingman66

Quote:
Originally Posted by blessd24
I like the new program alot. I hate upgrade fees and this gives a good way around them.


Everyone loves waived upgrade fees, because it is a win-win...customer saves money, you look like a hero and it costs you nothing. Those stupid $50 and $100 cards on the other hand...until AT&T gives agents the credit for them, we will never honor them.



Posted by: Jolt_Cola

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingman66
Everyone loves waived upgrade fees, because it is a win-win...customer saves money, you look like a hero and it costs you nothing. Those stupid $50 and $100 cards on the other hand...until AT&T gives agents the credit for them, we will never honor them.



Thats why (in bold) why when a customer calls in I make sure to point them to a corprorate store and do everything i can to make sure they don't go to indirect dealers. This is a business and competition COR vs. indirect for the customer dollar, if you don't want to honor what our company stores have to, regardless of who gets credit for the $50 or $100 then you will lose out.

I might also point out that generally customer service advises to go to COR over Indirect so you wanna lose out to a COR store, rock on !!!!!



Posted by: Batman665

I like the program, except when the primary line on the account qualifies for all these goodies but the wife or husband's phone doesn't even qualify for the waived upgrade fee.

Also I dislike the idea of not having 1 year contracts. I've had quite a few customer's who wanted to upgrade but ended up canceling because of being forced to do a 2 year. A lot reps out there aren't even aware that we no longer do 1 year contracts.



Posted by: blessd24

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingman66
Everyone loves waived upgrade fees, because it is a win-win...customer saves money, you look like a hero and it costs you nothing. Those stupid $50 and $100 cards on the other hand...until AT&T gives agents the credit for them, we will never honor them.


I didn't think of the agents situation. Maybe this is a step in the direction of getting rid of agents. (No offense to you, but the agents in my area just screw people over)



Posted by: Wonwad

Cingular probably loves the agents in my area, we're better and clean.



Posted by: irockash

I just had an issue today with one of our other agent stores, cleared it up, but i know how they make us look bad.

Has anyone else noticed more "exceeding the number of non-pay suspensions" for people not being eligible? Maybe its just a storm of people, but I've been seeing that more since its been in place. And people also seemed to be getting more pissed... I just want to reply "Yes, I understand how long you've been with Cingular, but how many of those years have you paid your bill on time?"

Thats an extreme response (I had one of my returning customers come up like that, and it was always paid within half an hour of the phone being shut off).

Other then that, its great. Waived upgrade fees all around!



Posted by: Wonwad

Quote:
Originally Posted by irockash
I just had an issue today with one of our other agent stores, cleared it up, but i know how they make us look bad.

Has anyone else noticed more "exceeding the number of non-pay suspensions" for people not being eligible? Maybe its just a storm of people, but I've been seeing that more since its been in place. And people also seemed to be getting more pissed... I just want to reply "Yes, I understand how long you've been with Cingular, but how many of those years have you paid your bill on time?"

Thats an extreme response (I had one of my returning customers come up like that, and it was always paid within half an hour of the phone being shut off).

Other then that, its great. Waived upgrade fees all around!


Had that problem with a customer that wanted to do two upgrades and add a line. This customer paid Cingular around $300 a month. Customer service told me to refer them to the local corporate store so a manager there can grant an exception. Yeah right, as if i'm gonna lose two upgrades and a new line. We're gonna take care of it.



Posted by: anubis9278

Quote:
Originally Posted by irockash
Thats an extreme response (I had one of my returning customers come up like that, and it was always paid within half an hour of the phone being shut off).


LMAO, 30 minutes after shut off...did he miss the two week grace period.



Posted by: irockash

Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis9278
LMAO, 30 minutes after shut off...did he miss the two week grace period.


Yup, the bill goes somewhere else and is supposed to be taken care of by someone else. Long story, I sympathized with them and told them about the text message reminders. Customer care did allow the same standard upgrade at a corporate location, but I pleaded the 2nd and did it. I may have to fight this for a few months, but like I said earlier, returning customer.



Posted by: cingman66

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonwad
Had that problem with a customer that wanted to do two upgrades and add a line. This customer paid Cingular around $300 a month. Customer service told me to refer them to the local corporate store so a manager there can grant an exception. Yeah right, as if i'm gonna lose two upgrades and a new line. We're gonna take care of it.


Yea, I've noticed lately how quick CS is to tell us to refer the customer to a COR store or telesales to complete an upgrade that should be eligible everywhere. Like we're actually going to send business elsewhere, ESPECIALLY to COR...hahahahaha.

Specifically, though, I have been running into this situation: Customer comes in to upgrade and the contract dates indicate that they are out of contract. When I try to complete the upgrade, it says the customer is not eligible due to "(T) time since last upgrade/activation." When I look into it, the customer says that they upgraded with COR or Telesales within the last 2 years, but returned the upgrade before 30 days. When I call CS, they can see that the upgrade was returned, but they have no way of changing anything in POS, so I have no way of completing the upgrade. That's when they give me the BS about referring the customer to COR to complete the upgrade. Yesterday I actually laughed out loud into the phone at the CS rep when she suggested that. THEN, she actually said something that made me almost wet my pants--She said, "Why don't you just manually override the system yourself and complete the upgrade?" I replied, "Do you honestly think I would be calling you if I could override POS?" Imagine if Agents could just override POS and make customers eligible...

So, I was wondering, is anyone else out there getting this same runaround?



Posted by: blessd24

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingman66
Imagine if Agents could just override POS and make customers eligible...

So, I was wondering, is anyone else out there getting this same runaround?


Yeah, they would likely just randomly override customers accounts without even telling the account owner.



Posted by: Skins_kg

Getting run around on everything from regular customers all the way to business customers. We can't even access half of our business accounts. As I type a customer comes in and wants to know why he didn't get a company discount on his accessories he purchased here last night. I told him as an agent we do not honor that. He wanted the corp stores number so I told him it was in the phonebook under Cingular.

Slowly we are being weened out.



Posted by: ivwshane

Quote:
Originally Posted by irockash
I just had an issue today with one of our other agent stores, cleared it up, but i know how they make us look bad.

Has anyone else noticed more "exceeding the number of non-pay suspensions" for people not being eligible? Maybe its just a storm of people, but I've been seeing that more since its been in place. And people also seemed to be getting more pissed... I just want to reply "Yes, I understand how long you've been with Cingular, but how many of those years have you paid your bill on time?"

Thats an extreme response (I had one of my returning customers come up like that, and it was always paid within half an hour of the phone being shut off).

Other then that, its great. Waived upgrade fees all around!



I've been getting a ton of not eligible for non pays!



Posted by: Madcat455

Been seeing alot of waived upgrade fees... More of the SOS too.

Got my first Out of contract inelegible (no late payments or DNP's), said due to the time frame, gave a date 2 months out.

I'm wondering if they've quietly brought back the LTV scoreing again


FWIW... I do honor the accessory FAN discounts... even at the highest % I've seen, the net gain is still 2X what they cost, and I charge less than COR to begin with for ACTUAL branded equipment(Nokia, Motorola, LG, ect, accessories whenever it's available). Better to make alittle than none at all.



Posted by: ivwshane

I've gotten maybe two waived upgrade fees

Damn ghetto



Posted by: Batman665

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madcat455

I'm wondering if they've quietly brought back the LTV scoreing again




Yup, this upgrade programs looks alot at LTV score since that is what ARPU is based on. I've had LTV 5's that were half way through a 24 month contact that were eligible for an standard upgrade due soley to their ARPU



Posted by: tszefr

You are not currently eligible to upgrade your device. This line may be eligible for an equipment discount on xx/yy/2009.

WTF? My so-called "contract" that cingular breached expires in 2008. But they don't /won't sell me a new phone until months later? Bet Sprint would give me one!

That is just one customer perspective of it, as it stands today. Guessing this is the result of low ARPU; certainly not for want of payment.

Make it even more interesting: I can go in premiere and plug in my account and upgrade to any darn phone I want! I even did so a few months back on a piece of trash N6126 that I kept one day and sent back and never got reimbursed for the return freight.



Posted by: Wonwad

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingman66
Yea, I've noticed lately how quick CS is to tell us to refer the customer to a COR store or telesales to complete an upgrade that should be eligible everywhere. Like we're actually going to send business elsewhere, ESPECIALLY to COR...hahahahaha.

Specifically, though, I have been running into this situation: Customer comes in to upgrade and the contract dates indicate that they are out of contract. When I try to complete the upgrade, it says the customer is not eligible due to "(T) time since last upgrade/activation." When I look into it, the customer says that they upgraded with COR or Telesales within the last 2 years, but returned the upgrade before 30 days. When I call CS, they can see that the upgrade was returned, but they have no way of changing anything in POS, so I have no way of completing the upgrade. That's when they give me the BS about referring the customer to COR to complete the upgrade. Yesterday I actually laughed out loud into the phone at the CS rep when she suggested that. THEN, she actually said something that made me almost wet my pants--She said, "Why don't you just manually override the system yourself and complete the upgrade?" I replied, "Do you honestly think I would be calling you if I could override POS?" Imagine if Agents could just override POS and make customers eligible...

So, I was wondering, is anyone else out there getting this same runaround?


Haven't gotten that issue, probably won't, but I can't wait till they tell me to send them to a corporate store.





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