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Posted by: woedee

http://www.doml.com.sg/product.asp?id=898

Posted by: woedee

That was quick!!! They are now "out of stock" minutes after my initial post.

Posted by: FrozenStar

Many retailers should be receiving their initial shipments of 128MB Memory Stick Duos this week.

Hopefully the 256MB Duos will be out soon too.

Posted by: vwvwvw

Thanks Woedee,

Now this is freak- in me out... I placed an order with doml for 2 128Mb duos and during the transaction it appeared that they went out of stock! I don't even feel secure that my order went through.

I sent them an email asking for confirmation. We'll see

Wow talk about a quick response from doml...

Hi,

Thank you very much for your order. As it is already after office hours
over here, we'll process and ship out your order tomorrow.

Thank you and have a good day.

Looks like I may have gotten the last 2 128Mb Duos

Thanks again WoeDee

Posted by: Eckoman

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Originally posted by FrozenStar
Many retailers should be receiving their initial shipments of 128MB Memory Stick Duos this week.

Hopefully the 256MB Duos will be out soon too.

Man, how many times do I have to re-post this?

There will be no 256MB MS DUO for the P800, EVER! That is because the P800 memory Interface can only adress 128MB. Period.

Posted by: vwvwvw

Just some interesting info from DPreview.com

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0208/0...rysticknews.asp

Posted by: FrozenStar

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Originally posted by Eckoman
Man, how many times do I have to re-post this?

There will be no 256MB MS DUO for the P800, EVER! That is because the P800 memory Interface can only adress 128MB. Period.

You can keep re-posting 'till you're blue in the face. It doesn't bother me.

Despite what you may have read in the whitepaper or elsewhere, 256MB Memory Stick Duos are in production and will be released. It's likely that a firmware upgrade will correct any memory addressing issues that remain.

Posted by: vwvwvw

Got another response from doml...

It's 1AM over here now, I don't think Fedex is working this early in the
morning.... ;-)
We'll have these sent out to you later in the day.

1AM WoW :wowwow:, these ppl look eager to please... that's great!

Posted by: Philharmonic

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The Windows 9x kernel, not including Windows ME can not address more than 256mb at one time, meaning that if you run more than one instance of the kernel at any one time, windows won't use more than 256mb. This was fixed with the release of windows ME, but it is still basically the same kernel.

Memory addressing is never a limitation of the hardware itself, but of the software buffer in the operating system kernel. So, the same would apply to the P800, except in the event that Sony will somehow change the hardware requirements for accomodating larger Duo modules like voltage or timing. Even then, depending on the hardware flexibility the P800 offers, this could be accomodated, analogous to overclocking a CPU in the BIOS of a PC.

Sorry for the long explanation, but I felt that this rumour should be put to rest once and for all.

Posted by: vwvwvw

If what you say is true Philharmonic, I can't see the P800 ever being updated to accommodate the 256 Mb sticks. Then again it's very easy to see its successor doing so... P900 maybe

Posted by: Philharmonic

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Originally posted by vwvwvw
If what you say is true Philharmonic, I can't see the P800 ever being updated to accommodate the 256 Mb sticks. Then again it's very easy to see its successor doing so... P900 maybe

Actually what I was saying is that it is easy to update the P800 with a software patch, but I say this assuming the 256mb chips (if they aren't vapourware) are identical in their hardware requirements to the present ones. According to your earlier post with the link to DPReview, the timeline for the release of the 256 and 512mb Duos is in the latter half of the year, so we know they are coming, but what is unkown is wheather or not they will have the same interface requirements (not just fit in the slot) like the others.

I would assume that the 256mb chips will work just fine, but anything larger than that will be different like the newer standard size memory stick pros.

Posted by: Singapore21

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Haha.. dat's the thing abt Public Forums.. the knowledge is disparate and ppl will keep asking the same things unless there's a moderator/librarian that actively creates a taxonomy.

Cheers.

Posted by: varunreddy

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There is no harm in people hoping that the P800 will support a 256mb Duo. As it has been posted time and again it might be possible to fix the memory addressing problem with a software patch. Maybe SE will release it who knows?
If you are tired of reposting it then dont do it anymore most people on here I'm sure know what the whitepaper says.
BTW out of curiosity how many of your 16 posts have been about how the p800 doesnt support the 256mb duos?

Posted by: oferlaor

You seem to be an expert in hardware (pun intended!).

If you know anything in digitalk design know this:

If you have X address lines you have 2^X spaces for memory.

You can't increase it by a "software patch". The example you give is irrelevant as the PC architecture allowed for up to 2G of memory (it might be more than that now), so the limitation really was software.

From all accounts, there is a physical limit from the design of MS Duos to 128M.

Like you, I'm hoping that the same architecture that bypasses this through addressable memory banks (ala, memory stick pro) might also be implemented for the MS Duo in the future.

However, there is no way to tell. Personally, I doubt it.

Posted by: Philharmonic

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Originally posted by oferlaor
You seem to be an expert in hardware (pun intended!).

If you know anything in digitalk design know this:

If you have X address lines you have 2^X spaces for memory.

You can't increase it by a "software patch". The example you give is irrelevant as the PC architecture allowed for up to 2G of memory (it might be more than that now), so the limitation really was software.

From all accounts, there is a physical limit from the design of MS Duos to 128M.

Like you, I'm hoping that the same architecture that bypasses this through addressable memory banks (ala, memory stick pro) might also be implemented for the MS Duo in the future.

However, there is no way to tell. Personally, I doubt it.

Oh absolutely! Remember, I was saying this assuming that the actual module architecture will not change which I regretfully know nothing about

Posted by: rmmarino

Although it does not appear on their website, a phone call to expansys\us revealed that they do have the 128MB duo's in stock - but the question is, for how long....

Posted by: Jellyguy

They sold the last one in stock in their US warehouse at 3:53 PM EST.

Posted by: Jellyguy

Ok, I am a horse's ***. Just checked my email confirmation, and they sold me a REGULAR Memory Stick. I knew that was too easy.

Perhaps when I specify "the one for the P800"... oh, never mind.

:rolleyes2

Posted by: cadiken

WOW!
I think the memory addressing issue that everyone is speaking of is the 128MB memory addressing architecture limitations of the P800 internal memory capacity. This is what I am hoping PocketPCTechs can exploit. The external storage capacity should be virtualy unlimited. hey, but don't believe me; Here is a quote from SonyEricsson on the P800 site:

"You won’t find a better-equipped phone than the P800 with integrated, ready-to-run CommuniCam™. Dedicated shutter button for true point-and-shoot ease of use. Large, 4096-color screen and pen-based user interface make taking, viewing and editing pictures a snap. You won’t go short on storage space with up to 12MB of internal memory and unlimited external storage using the Memory Stick Duo™. "

Peace
CadiKen

Posted by: FrozenStar

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Originally posted by cadiken
WOW!
I think the memory addressing issue that everyone is speaking of is the 128MB memory addressing architecture limitations of the P800 internal memory capacity. This is what I am hoping PocketPCTechs can exploit. The external storage capacity should be virtualy unlimited. hey, but don't believe me; Here is a quote from SonyEricsson on the P800 site:

"You won?t find a better-equipped phone than the P800 with integrated, ready-to-run CommuniCam?. Dedicated shutter button for true point-and-shoot ease of use. Large, 4096-color screen and pen-based user interface make taking, viewing and editing pictures a snap. You won?t go short on storage space with up to 12MB of internal memory and unlimited external storage using the Memory Stick Duo?. "

First, that's a marketing statement. It has little bearing on the technical specifications of the phone. Second, simply having the ability to purchase and use additional memory sticks qualifies the phone as having "unlimited external storage".

Posted by: cadiken

Are there any absolute, indexed or indirect register addressing maps availible to support the 128MB limitation of external memory? What about max units of pages supported by the OS? I would like to find out how SE maps the memory for CPU useage and how the CPU accesses the external memory since the processor's processes run in RAM and not in storage. Just trying to figure out how they managed to limit the external storage 128MB because of memory addressing. I can't find any technical documents at SE but I have an email in to their developement team. I am NOT saying you are wrong I am only trying to find out how it was done so that I will have a better understanding. Do you have access to tech docs?

CadiKen

Posted by: Boner

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Originally posted by woedee
http://www.doml.com.sg/product.asp?id=898

based on the sales girl in the DOML shop here in singapore, mem sitck duo 128MB will be in by the end of this week.

hope to recieve their call soon so i can pick up it!

Posted by: FrozenStar

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Originally posted by cadiken
Are there any absolute, indexed or indirect register addressing maps availible to support the 128MB limitation of external memory? What about max units of pages supported by the OS? I would like to find out how SE maps the memory for CPU useage and how the CPU accesses the external memory since the processor's processes run in RAM and not in storage. Just trying to figure out how they managed to limit the external storage 128MB because of memory addressing. I can't find any technical documents at SE but I have an email in to their developement team. I am NOT saying you are wrong I am only trying to find out how it was done so that I will have a better understanding. Do you have access to tech docs?

I believe the P800 whitepaper initally mentioned the 128MB limitation.
I think you've misunderstood me. I was only commenting on the paragraph you quoted from Sony Ericsson. I was not trying to disprove the P800's ability to address memory beyond the 128MB limit. In fact, if the limit is actually in effect, I believe that a future firmware upgrade will overcome that limitation.
256MB and higher Memory Stick Duos are in the pipeline, and I see no reason why the P800 won't be able to use them once they're released.
I'm anxiously awaiting them myself. 128MB is simply not enough to use this thing as a portable MP3 player.

Posted by: B123

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cadiken, i thought the same thing! my background is in software engineering and I just don't get how they can stop it either. the only thing I can think of is if they made it purposly not access more than 128 mb on the external storage- marketing reasons i'd guess. i'm assuming the symbian os is a micro-kernel, or micro-monolythic hybrid (i haven't done any research on the os design so I may be way off) with modules attached- ie network modules, display module, ext storage module.. the manfacurer plugs in thier prefered module. this avoids recompiles that a monolythic kernel has to deal with- as well as being able to add and remove modules on the fly without rebooting. keeps the kernel stable,lite, and portable. the ext MSduo mem module may just be engineered to only access upto 128 mb. why else can the sybian os access SD cards of any size?

reading up on the os a bit, it does appear to be a micro-monolythic hybrid with different component modules plugged in. it's very client-server based, with lots of messaging. one interesting note is that it is very OO and provides a layer for ext storage devices (flash rom, etc) and manfactures provide more hardware specific functions. this may be where it's done at. if this is the case; it should be correctable. please post what the development team has to say. i'm very interested to know and sorry for the long post. I could be way off, so forgive me if this is the case. just posting a thought. i personally belive it can access any size MSduo that is electrically/physically compatible

Posted by: Philharmonic

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Originally posted by B123
i personally belive it can access any size MSduo that is electrically/physically compatible

Finally someone with some common sense

Posted by: vwvwvw

Hey Philharmonic I'm sorry for misunderstanding your first post. I didn't mean to imply that I knew any different, I just misunderstood what you meant... BTW I do have both common and uncommon sense

Now for the exciting new... Edit 21 on My-Symbian is on the verge of testing a 256 MS with the P800 through a whole-made jacket (converter) he made... check this thread for link http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...threadid=120477

Posted by: Philharmonic

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Originally posted by vwvwvw
Hey Philharmonic I'm sorry for misunderstanding your first post. I didn't mean to imply that I knew any different, I just misunderstood what you meant... BTW I do have both common and uncommon sense

Now for the exciting new... Edit 21 on My-Symbian is on the verge of testing a 256 MS with the P800 through a whole-made jacket (converter) he made... check this thread for link http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...threadid=120477

Hehe, actually I didn't mean you in particular at all

The whole issue simply didn't make sense to me from a technological standpoint.

Well, lets hope for that update, AND those duo's

Posted by: rip

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not to start anything, but weren't you guys just saying NO 256 duos are available

Posted by: Philharmonic

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Originally posted by rip
not to start anything, but weren't you guys just saying NO 256 duos are available

They aren't, yet! What 3vw was talking about is what seems to be a sleeve for the P800 custom rigged by some Japanese P800 aficianados that accepts normal 256mb sticks.

Phil.

Posted by: jucame

Memorystick.com says that soon we wil have 128mbx2 memory stick duos, so, that can be a good solution for our mp3 memory shortage

Posted by: jskier

SHOPPERS BEWARE!!!! I went to www.datavis.com and attempted to order a P800 and a 128MB MemoryStick. The website listed both as "In Stock" (and still does). After several days of waiting for them to ship, I called the store to find out my order status, and the guy I talked to said "oh, we've been out of those for weeks" and "maybe we'll get some in at the end of the month, we'll just send it to you then"
Rather annoying when the website has misleading information like this.

Anyway, I have cancelled my order with datavis

and I will be ordering the P800 from Adam at LV Wireless (I found a lot of positive comments here & free upgrades is a nice plus

). Now, I just need to find a place to get my 128MB MemoryStick. Any suggestions???

Posted by: smartd

Just a request to everyone. If you know of any sites that are getting stock or are in stock let us all know asap.

Thanks,

smartd

Posted by: gene9

FWIW, the Sony Gallery on Michigan Ave in Chicago had at least 5 128MB MS-Duos in stock today, Saturday (I nabbed one of them); $89 plus tax. They don't hold or ship unfortunately.

Posted by: SmokinMan

My first posting here and this tread immediately interest me as there are many misinformation flying around about memory stick.

1. The architecture used in Memory Stick Duo is the same as Standard memory Stick.

2. The architecture used in Memory Stick with Switch is the same as Standard Memory Stick also.

3. The Memory Stick Pro use completely different architecture.

4. The largest Memory Stick Duo TOPS at 128MB. Cannot go beyond that. So don't hope for regular 256MB Memory Stick Duo.

5. The roadmap you are refering to is the old roadmap publish before Sony shift everything to Memory Stick Pro. It is a completely diffrent ball game now with the introduction of the PRO. The roadmap itself has been DELETED from the memorystick.org page long time ago.

6. If 256MB or 512MB duo ever comes out. It will be call "Memory Stick Duo Pro" or "Memory Stick Duo with Switch"

7. Whether or not the P800 can access the 256MB or 512MB "Duo Pro" is questionable. But if you ask technical guy they will say YES but with firmware upgrade. I will say DEFINATELY YES and probably without firmware upgrade. Cannot wait until someone try out the 256MP Pro with P800 using the Memory Stick Jacket.

8. YES, P800 should be able to use "Duo Switch" without any upgrade as the "Duo Switch" is just several "Duo" packed into one piece and you use 128MB at a time.

9. The statement found in white paper and manual of the P800 that the P800 cannot access more than 128MB is just a marketing strategy as Sony want P800 users to use the DUO ONLY. What else use the DUO beside the P800? They can upgrade the firmware to enable the P800 to use the PRO(with Memory Stick Jacket attached) but who else is going to buy the DUO. Just for your information, the DUO 128MB is about the same price as the Memory Stick Pro 256MB.

10. The situation of the Memory Stick Duo now is identical with the situation of Standard Memory stick when it first introduced. It is no surprise that SONY will force you P800 users to use the DUO only with P800.

That will be all. Fell free to correct me if I am wrong!

Posted by: gene9

The new-ish Network Walkman Digital Music Player (NW-MS70D) uses MS-Duo and apparently it will pop up in more small devices in the future.

Posted by: dupasquier

Sony Style store in Manhattan has some MS DUO 128 in stock.
I bought one today!

Posted by: RandyTodd

www.expansys.com has a new battery cover for the P800 that includes a memory stick slot. I wonder if it will allow you to use a 256mb memory stick? And how much bigger does it make the P800? They are listed but not in stock yet. I guess they are worth a try in any case. If I get one I'll post results.

Randy Todd

Posted by: vwvwvw

I just placed an order with Etronics... website says "IN Stock"

http://www.etronics.com/product.asp...ode=sonmsgm128a

Posted by: Jellyguy

Hey guys,

How many 128 Mb Duo's do you need? Are you trying to corner the market? I see so many accounts of people finding these "in stock" and buying up every last one of them...

Here l am trying to get my hands on some more to share with other Hofoers, and meanwhile everyone here is hoarding them like they are going out of style. Real classy...

Funny thing is, l work for a Japanese bank, and a co-worker got her hands on a few more of these, which are on their way to New York. I'll be sharing these with everyone here - NOT!!!

Bengalboy gets love. The rest of you can call an escort service.

:hurt:

Posted by: wolwol

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Originally posted by Jellyguy
Hey guys,

How many 128 Mb Duo's do you need? Are you trying to corner the market? I see so many accounts of people finding these "in stock" and buying up every last one of them...

Here l am trying to get my hands on some more to share with other Hofoers, and meanwhile everyone here is hoarding them like they are going out of style. Real classy...

Funny thing is, l work for a Japanese bank, and a co-worker got her hands on a few more of these, which are on their way to New York. I'll be sharing these with everyone here - NOT!!!

Bengalboy gets love. The rest of you can call an escort service.

:hurt:

and i only need one....somebody ain't being nice @ all over here...

Posted by: Jellyguy

wolwol,

Just trying to make a point here. If some people weren't trying to retile their bathrooms with these, you would have one by now...

It would be nice if people would stick to one until supplies improved, in keeping with the spirit with which some people are trying to instill this board.

Posted by: wolwol

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Originally posted by Jellyguy
wolwol,

Just trying to make a point here. If some people weren't trying to retile their bathrooms with these, you would have one by now...

It would be nice if people would stick to one until supplies improved, in keeping with the spirit with which some people are trying to instill this board.

very true indeed

Posted by: P800NY

Goodguys.com has 128MB MagicGate Memory Stick Duo's in stock for $89.99, including shipping and no sales tax if shipped within the United States.

http://www.goodguys.com/adtemplate....y=191996&catky=

Posted by: vwvwvw

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Originally posted by P800NY
Goodguys.com has 128MB MagicGate Memory Stick Duo's in stock for $89.99, including shipping and no sales tax if shipped within the United States.

http://www.goodguys.com/adtemplate....y=191996&catky=

Thanks P800NY, my Etronic order was a NOT In Stock item after all!
The GoodGuys came through

and the price (like you said) included shipping

FYI The sales person said they have only 9 left after the one that I bought.

Posted by: ducsurfer

i reserved 4 on friday should have them thursday - if they dont sell them behind my back.

later

m

Posted by: wolwol

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Originally posted by ducsurfer
i reserved 4 on friday should have them thursday - if they dont sell them behind my back.

later

m

inform me when you have it ducsurfer!
email me!

thanks a lot!

Posted by: jakartaguy

wolwol

I want one also...anybody can help...??

thanks

Posted by: wolwol

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Originally posted by jakartaguy
wolwol

I want one also...anybody can help...??
thanks

try preordering them from www.doml.com.sg

Posted by: ducsurfer

i just went to the sony store and order 6 more - i dont know when i will have them but they seem to go anywhere like hot cakes....

i will let you guys know when i get them in

Posted by: ducsurfer

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...threadid=130605

Posted by: ducsurfer

i ll check if we could use these

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0301/03010904mspro.asp

now all of a sudden mp3 on p800 makes sense

Posted by: ducsurfer

planning on cxling my pre-orders of the ms duo

if you still want them please contact me immediatly

ducsurfer@nyc.rr.com

Posted by: ducsurfer

i saw the 256mb pro on the sony store for 149.99 so that would make a lot more sense than the 128 duo

so let me know guys

Posted by: ducsurfer

english pages shows it now as regular ms

http://www.armstation.net/catalog/p...&products_id=90

Posted by: ducsurfer

sony just called to let me know my 128 ms duo came in

i think i have 6 of them

deal will be

97.50 plus shipping i know it is not the best deal that is why i am asking

i personally am not that interested any more in them so let know know wolwol vvvvvvv and somebody else reserved one with me

please get back to me asap

Posted by: ducsurfer

hi

i have up to 9

who wants one

97.50 plus shipping

let me know

ducsurfer@nyc.rr.com

5 pm today will be dead line based on how many emails i get i will call them and buy them pick up tonight and can ship as early as monday

let me know