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Posted by: davistld01

Why is it that we have thread after thread here...and on AT&T's customer forums as well...with nothing but non-iPhone users bashing the iPhone and repeatedly (ad nauseum) listing all the faults and shortomings (in their opinions...) of the phone, and iPhone users that really like their phone bashing non-iPhone users all the while doing nothing but listing all the reasons why the non-iPhone users are wrong??

C'mon...jeez, if you don't like the iPhone DON'T BUY THE DAMN THING. That's your right as an American consumer. Just leave the people that have bought one, and love it alone.

If you want an iPhone, BUY IT. And don't worry about all the haters bashing it or you for loving it.

The Apple forum has gotten boring with all cyber-saber rattling. Give it a rest...

Posted by: john1027

IMO, well said. Perhaps the moderators might consider creating another sub-forum for general discussions, rants, and feature wishes/dislikes, etc. much like others that exist elsewhere on Hofo. There should be a place here under Apple that people come just to discuss features, post questions asking for help, and to discuss accessories, etc., without having to cut through the endless debates that are bogging down this forum now.

In other forums such as the various MS smartphone forums, rants and raves and other non-pertinent exchanges are posted in places like the pocket pc lounge. I would imagine if it doesn't subside or come under control that people will just get sick of seeing a large number of these threads get reduced to personal debates and attacks and will just tune out and seek help and information elsewhere. Hopefully, the Apple forum will get back on track and become the premier place where people come to seek information about Apple phones. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: cokane5227

Hmmmm, I don't even care about what they say. I bought it for me and it fits my needs perfectly, if they want to convince others not to buy it, then those ones that they succeed with either don't know what they want or didn't want an iPhone to begin with.

I've always wanted a phone with iPod (not some crappy *** application where you have to go out and spend 60 bucks for 1GB of memory), internet (EDGE is pretty damn fast in the SF bay area), a super nice screen (I'm a sucker for good displays) and something cool to play around with (the interface), camera that takes pictures clear enough to show people (iPhone takes very good pics under good lighting condition), and amazing battery life. Oh wait, the iPhone got all of those already. DAMN!

For me the iPhone was the best thing to come along in the phone market, and I was never an Apple fan, I just never liked their products. I'm still warming up to iTunes but I think I'll be able to deal with it just fine.

Posted by: blackjackss

amen 2 this thread

Posted by: lonnielove

agreed!!!!!!!

Posted by: Gutterpunk

Do you realize that in the first page of the Apple forum right now, there is only 1 thread listing the shortcoming of the iPhone? All the other got so old or buried by threads glorifying the damn thing or asking legit questions that the negative pne got pushed back to further pages?

I find little crusade like yours to be much more annoying than post about negative aspect of the iPhone, but you don't see me making posts about it, because I know that we will not see any more of either come next week, like it should.

Posted by: skankboy

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Originally Posted by davistld01

C'mon...jeez, if you don't like the iPhone DON'T BUY THE DAMN THING. That's your right as an American consumer.

In what country do they make you buy an iPhone?

Posted by: blacksrt4guy

Very well said and I agree 100%! BTW, I love my iphone.

Posted by: davistld01

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Originally Posted by Gutterpunk

Do you realize that in the first page of the Apple forum right now, there is only 1 thread listing the shortcoming of the iPhone? All the other got so old or buried by threads glorifying the damn thing or asking legit questions that the negative pne got pushed back to further pages?

I find little crusade like yours to be much more annoying than post about negative aspect of the iPhone, but you don't see me making posts about it, because I know that we will not see any more of either come next week, like it should.

Frankly, I find your crusade to critisize my post much more annoying than you could possibly find mine...I assure you. But, since this is a free country and you have every right to express your opinion...as I do mine, I will simply ask you not to waste your time, or mine by posting if you don't have anything positive to say.

I was merely asking for some unity and solidarity here instead of strife. Obviously, you do not hold the same values...

Posted by: brooklynbo916

Preach.......

Oh yea guttersludge or whatever ur name is go elsewhere and rant jus cuz the iPhone is better than any phone you've ever owned don't get mad with other that have what u don't thanx

Posted by: davistld01

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Originally Posted by brooklynbo916

Preach.......

Oh yea guttersludge or whatever ur name is go elsewhere and rant jus cuz the iPhone is better than any phone you've ever owned don't get mad with other that have what u don't thanx

Easy does it, brooklynbo916...that's the kind of stuff that I was "crusading" against. It just adds fuel to the fire...

Posted by: mozart11

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Originally Posted by davistld01

Why is it that we have thread after thread here...and on AT&T's customer forums as well...with nothing but non-iPhone users bashing the iPhone and repeatedly (ad nauseum) listing all the faults and shortomings (in their opinions...) of the phone, and iPhone users that really like their phone bashing non-iPhone users all the while doing nothing but listing all the reasons why the non-iPhone users are wrong??

C'mon...jeez, if you don't like the iPhone DON'T BUY THE DAMN THING. That's your right as an American consumer. Just leave the people that have bought one, and love it alone.

If you want an iPhone, BUY IT. And don't worry about all the haters bashing it or you for loving it.

The Apple forum has gotten boring with all cyber-saber rattling. Give it a rest...

All of the people that bash, rant or just trash the iPhone do it because ALL of them cant afford it. Simple. They bash everything that they can't have. Makes them feel something. Superior I guess. But in reality, they're just shallow people.

Posted by: sethdavidsdad

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Originally Posted by mozart11

Or they just bought a phone like the razr 3g or the n75 and wish they didn't. Half of the neagative posts I have seen were from people waiting on a n75 two months ago. I was waiting on a n75 too but decided not to get it and get a iphone instead. I think most people wish they would have waited. Why else would you be im a apple forum if you had a new n75 or n95.

Posted by: AMSguitarist

They really need to make a rant forum. I don't even like reading half the threads on here because they are filled with half-thought out no-point whining posts.

Posted by: Longsnowsm

What I want to know is why are people who don't own the phone, don't intend to buy the phone, have nothing to contribute to the general conversation about this particular phone doing in the Apple forum? I mean really?

Those of us who bought the phone know what the features are, know what the strengths are, the weaknesses are, and the issues... As a matter of fact far better than those of you who DON'T EVEN OWN ONE. If someone is thinking about buying an iphone who is more qualified to tell that person if it is a good phone and will fit their needs? The non-owner peanut gallery, or the current iPhone owners?

Like the OP said. If you don't own it, don't intend to own it, don't have anything real to contribute to the forum then go find a forum that does. If you own the phone and are unhappy with it then take it back. Nobody wants you to keep the phone if it isn't going to work for you. This is a version 1.0 product and will have it's growing pains. If your not prepared to grow and learn with the product then it obviously isn't for you. Most people are aware when they buy a brand new product regardless what it is there are going to be issues and things that will have to be fixed. So I am a little surprised as so many people acting as if they had the rug pulled out from under them when they bought a version 1.0 product and act as if they didn't even read the basic description of what the product was. You have 14 days from the date of purchase to rectify your mistake. Don't sit and fume over it, just get your money back and then check in on this forum this time next year and see what the iPhone can do then. You will be a much happier camper.

Frankly I think moderators should start watching posts that are obviously unrelated, and have no real contributing value and give them a warning, then if not heeded then ban them.

It is one thing to own the phone and have issues with something and need help or just need to vent. If you have questions about the iPhone that maybe we can answer, or features you want to know more about, or just general feedback from owners... All great. Otherwise don't let the door hit ya in the backside as you leave. This has gotten way out of control and needs to be reigned back in quick. It seems like this is happening on several forums that frequent related to the iphone. I will be glad when all of buzz has quieted down so these people will go find something productive to do with their time.

Longsnowsm

Posted by: Murkurial

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Originally Posted by Gutterpunk

I'm pretty sure that most of them are actually getting deleted. Two threads that were more or less dedicated to people bashing the iPhone I posted responses in and now they're no longer in my subscribed threads. My posts in those threads have been deleted too. I guess the mods are steppin their game up and just getting rid of the threads entirely.

Posted by: davistld01

Thanks, Longsnowsm...I concur with most of your thoughts.

Frankly...I want an iPhone, and I can most certainly afford one. I came to the Apple forum to learn about the phone after some had it for a while. From what I can tell...I am one of those people that need to hold off for the second version...or at least wait until Apple sends some updates down the line to fix some issues that are pretty universal with users so far. I think the phone is cool...and I am certainly not bashing it. I just intend to wait a little while...and peek onto this forum to learn.

I'm glad the mods are at least trashing the majority of the negative and totally nonproductive banter. It had really made some people who I imagine are grown men and women sound like a bunch of bickering juveniles.

At any rate...keep on posting informative and useful ideas, experiences, and "fixes" if any. There are folks like me that will benefit from you current users experience...

And sharing information, based on practical experience is the main reason I came to Howardforums in the first place years ago. Let's keep the good side up!!

Posted by: Longsnowsm

I absolutely agree and like your approach and that is what this forum should be about. This is the place to ask the questions, read what others are saying about their phones and things they found or tried. What is has become is quite frustrating.

The iPhone is still very version 1.0ish at the moment. Those that are used to using mature products that are feature rich may find that the iPhone comes up short in it's current form. The features that work well in the iPhone do work very well, but a lot of the other features remind me of when I first saw iTunes and the first iPod's appeared. It was a naked and basic application. Many of the features in the phone are just plain jane basic apps at this point. They are well done, but don't offer all of the features of say a full blown PDA or a smart phone and at this point they have really restricted access to it just so they can control the environment while they sort out the early builds.

I think your approach is wise. Don't rush. I think the software updates will bring stability and the features we are all asking for. I don't think anything that is on my wish list that I have run into is a hardware issue yet. So far I am pretty happy. This works better than a lot of 1.0 things I have bought over the years to include Newton's, Palm Pilots, Treo's, and Blackberries... So I think Apple has done a good job in my book out of the gate. Now only time will tell what kind of momentum and commitment they put into this product.

At this point I only recommend the iPhone to those that are more of the bleeding edge crowd, and are interesting in learning and growing with it at this point. It is a lot of money to spend on a product, so it is a good idea to be sure it is going to meet your needs. Otherwise I would say hang out until about Oct/Nov and let's see what has happened with the updates and access by developers.

Longsnowsm

Posted by: carse

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Originally Posted by mozart11

All of the people that bash, rant or just trash the iPhone do it because ALL of them cant afford it. Simple. They bash everything that they can't have. Makes them feel something. Superior I guess. But in reality, they're just shallow people.

-wow. you guys wonder why there are so many iPhone haters? a lot of iPhone users have an elitist mentality/superiority complex/holier-than-thou.

Posted by: sqpantz

I for one am appreciative of the posters who have been pointing out the shortcomings of the iphone. I admit I was intrigued by the much hyped device, but would'nt spend that kind of money on a phone (worse yet another 2yr contract) without reading some real world customer experiences. That's why I come here. So for those posters that have a problem with people saying derrogatory things about the(ir) iphone, while I can sympathize, please know that the posts stating all the negative aspects of the phone do serve a purpose.

Posted by: cowboy1964

Sorry but when something is ultra-hyped like the iPhone and then we find out what basic shortcomings it has... of course people are going to criticize. As well they should. Maybe Apple will actually do something about it. At the very least it gives a heads-up to people considering shelling about more than half a grand on the thing.

A soldered in battery that costs more than $85 (not to mention down time) to replace?? Brilliant, Apple. Revolutionary! And announced AFTER a half-million or so had already been sold! Class action lawsuit indeed.

(For the record, I am not an Apple/iPhone basher. I would love to get one but I don't think I want to live with the shortcomings. Maybe iPhone2)

Posted by: skalogre

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Originally Posted by mozart11

Well, THAT was productive. I will refrain from answering you with something more appropriate but instead I would point out that a lot of the competition costs more (unlocked, but still).

Anyway, I am curious; what happens if you have no network access or in offline/airplane mode with the Safari applications? I assume you are out of luck, correct? Or is it able to cache certain applications?

Posted by: otsego6

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

A soldered in battery that costs more than $85 (not to mention down time) to replace?? Brilliant, Apple. Revolutionary! And announced AFTER a half-million or so had already been sold! Class action lawsuit indeed.

They didn't announce that after they were already sold. That was known before June 29th.

Posted by: netboy

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Originally Posted by mozart11

All of the people that bash, rant or just trash the iPhone do it because ALL of them cant afford it.

really? wanna see a copy of my receipt? i bought 2 iphone, and i even return it with 10% restocking fee! (1 is opened, the other 1 is still sealed when i returned it!)
i could say the same about you! i bought my 3G tytn for 700$. i guess you cant afford 700$, so u settle for a iphone at 600$? haha

Posted by: netboy

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

and while your iphone is being repair, they charge you 29$ for a loaner!

Posted by: Murkurial

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Originally Posted by carse

-wow. you guys wonder why there are so many iPhone haters? a lot of iPhone users have an elitist mentality/superiority complex/holier-than-thou.

I'm sorry dude but the phone just came out a little over a week ago and people who own it are already being lumped into this little "elitist" sub-group? LOL. I guess the same could be said for the N95 (or whatever model number it is) users who make similar comments in reference to the iPhone.

That is the most ridiculous comment I've ever heard (and a really overused argument).

Posted by: Kid1972

I don't think he meant an iPhone elitist group. I think he meant the ever growing Apple elitist group.

A lot of the reason for threads that focus on the shortcomings of the iPhone is because fanboyz practically compare it to Christ's being raised from the dead as being a significant event in history.

If you went to a GM forum and someone said that they have just bought the best car ever that will revolutionize the industry, you'll certainly see posts that say things like:

Quote:

"There isn't a radio! My 35 Ford had a friggin' radio!"

"It doesn't go over 40 miles an hour?! My bicycle even does that!"

"When your battery dies, you have to send it back to the manufacturer and pay 1/5 of the price of a new one to have it replaced."

if the facts are true.

The iPhone is a phone with a media player and a pretty neat interface. It's certainly not the best (for everybody) and it's definitely not revolutionary. If it *WERE* the best, there wouldn't be a reason for Apple to work on the next version of it. Obviously that's not true or people wouldn't be taking these back.

These threads serve several purposes. One, it puts new phone owners in their place about their device. Two, it gives quality feedback to Apple on what the gripes are and what things they need to work on for the next one. Three, It gives those who complain about everything a place to vent.

This particult thread actually just fuels the fire. If you let them happen normally, they will eventually die.

Don't think that these threads are isolated to the iPhone. In every forum people are complaining about the shortcomings of phones. Hell, I complain about phones I own, not just the ones I don't want to own. It's normal. It's healthy. It's natural.

-K

Posted by: amkls704

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Sorry but when something is ultra-hyped like the iPhone and then we find out what basic shortcomings it has... of course people are going to criticize. As well they should. Maybe Apple will actually do something about it. At the very least it gives a heads-up to people considering shelling about more than half a grand on the thing.

A soldered in battery that costs more than $85 (not to mention down time) to replace?? Brilliant, Apple. Revolutionary! And announced AFTER a half-million or so had already been sold! Class action lawsuit indeed.

(For the record, I am not an Apple/iPhone basher. I would love to get one but I don't think I want to live with the shortcomings. Maybe iPhone2)

Hmmm, I don't know where you were, but I believe we knew BEFORE release day it was going to have a built-in battery.

Posted by: davistld01

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Originally Posted by Kid1972

THAT is possibly the funniest comment I have heard on this board all week!!!

True...but funny.

Posted by: carse

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Originally Posted by Murkurial

you have to thank your friend over here (mozart11) for that generalisation: "All of the people that bash, rant or just trash the iPhone do it because ALL of them cant afford it."

apple fanboys make it easy for others to dislike them

Posted by: gunhed

Nah... let's keep the bashing going as well as the crying about the bashing. You guys are better than any reality show. Numbsculls.