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Posted by: Stingersx

OK people are hating on the iphone
SO what
people love them
i have it
its not perfect but i would not trade it in for anything
i left Tmobile 4 at&t and love att

if you dont likrthe phone why r u trying to darken people joy
if you want to review it great but going aroung saying people made mistakes
well dont kill other joy

Posted by: DavidD

IMO they are the people that really can't afford it. Same thing happened with the $500 RAZR when it first came out.

Posted by: beatniks3

^i don't buy that theory at all^

Posted by: NJBlackBerry

In some people's minds, it did not live up to the impossible hype.
So they "hate" it.
I don't hate it.
But it is VASTLY over hyped.

Posted by: The WB

I don't hate it - in fact, the phone is innovative. I question some of the shortcommings that should have been included. I also question some of the hardware aspects and if they will fail prematurelly.

I want to see this as a success - Apple will push the bar up on smartphones for the competition to aspire to, which meens more selection for us.

Posted by: ubercool

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Originally Posted by beatniks3

^i don't buy that theory at all^

I do. It's the only way for people who can't afford an iPhone to justify their decision in their own small minds as to why they shouldn't buy it. It happens in all the forums. The rest works for one of the other phone companies and are not man enough to identify themselves.

Posted by: illution

i hate the iPhone...
why?
1. Overhyped - "Someone" introduced the iPhone during Macworld and compared it to 4 smartphones and promised us it will be SMARTER AND EASIER... well it's easier but definitely not smarter because its lack in function
2. Crippled functionality - No 3rd party apps... lol
3. Lack of features - No basic phone functions such as setting your own ringtones... lol
the updates better come quick

@Ubercool (poster above me)
I've used Nokia 9500 and it was priced almost double the iphone
So YES, I can buy the iphone but i am not shelling my penny for a crippled dumbed down phone and NO i do not work for phone company

Stop thinking that iPhone is the most expensive phone in the market because it is not... Nokia E90 is priced at 1000 bucks so it's more expensive...
Also, stop thinking that iPhone is the best featured phone in the market because it is not... my current Nokia E61i and i know HTC TyTn both have way more features than iPhone with the same price or even LESS

Also, when RAZR came out with 500 bucks pricetag, it's even WORSE than iPhone so yes RAZR deserves to be kicked in the nuts... When this continent is hyping and drolling over RAZR, i've used my good ol' Sharp 903SH with 3.2MPx

There's more phones in the world than the crappy crippled locked down phones in the US market

Posted by: sethdavidsdad

the real question is if you hate iphone why are you here. Go to nokia forum and talk about how you cant fit your 9500 in your pocket

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by sethdavidsdad

the real question is if you hate iphone why are you here. Go to nokia forum and talk about how you cant fit your 9500 in your pocket

lol sorry dude, i already changed my phone... i change phone every 6 months or so

Also, i am a big apple fans (currently using All apple products except my phone) and I do hope they can update the iphone to include more features

You should read my post and the post before mine throughly... he mentioned that people who hates iphone are the one who cannot afford it... I was only making a point that i hate iPhone currently NOT because of the inability for me to afford it... rather I hate it due to its crippled features

Posted by: beatniks3

this IS the subforum to talk about the iphone, positive or negative.

and he was only bringing up the 9500 in regards to price and the person's comments about only people who can't afford the iphone are the ones expressing negative opinions about it.

Posted by: sectime

I think it's kinda creepy to read some of the posts. Maybe a pet or girlfriend would help

Posted by: sethdavidsdad

That is my point exactly you bought a 9500 I would use your argument to say I hate the 9500. The price you paid and the size of it a laptop beats it hands down. Your logic is flawed. If those are the only reasons you hate iPhone you should have never choose that phone over a laptop. A laptop can do more and is just as easy to carey around. I bought a iPhone for the blending of form and fuction into a ultra sleek device. 700,000 strong and growing I love my iPhone.

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by sethdavidsdad

That is my point exactly you bought a 9500 I would use your argument to say I hate the 9500. The price you paid and the size of it a laptop beats it hands down. Your logic is flawed. If those are the only reasons you hate iPhone you should have never choose that phone over a laptop. A laptop can do more and is just as easy to carey around. I bought a iPhone for the blending of form and fuction into a ultra sleek device. 700,000 strong and growing I love my iPhone.

I bought Nokia 9500 back then... it is a very old phone... they have a new model E90 came out last month. If you asked me to buy Nokia 9500 now (even for say... 200 dollars), i wouldn't buy it because its features are out of date...

I chose to have both RICH FEATURED phones and my trusty Macbook pro with me because there are a lot of times I just cannot take out my MBP. Your wants and needs are different than me so what work for you may not works for me... I am here merely stating WHY i hate the iPhone

Posted by: sethdavidsdad

have fun!!!

Posted by: duffyanneal

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Originally Posted by illution

I am here merely stating WHY i hate the iPhone

But why do you hate something that has never done anything to you? Its not like it left a big steaming pile of poo in front of your door. I think you need one of those tension relievers and maybe a pair of Berkinstocks.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

I'm not sure why people "hate" the iPhone. I can understand displeasure and general dislike, but hate?

Posted by: Airkat

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Originally Posted by DavidD

IMO they are the people that really can't afford it. Same thing happened with the $500 RAZR when it first came out.

I kinda doubt that since HOFO is filled with phone enthusiasts who sometimes purchase phones that cost even more than the iPhone.

There are plenty of phones that come out that aren't great for everyone, yet there aren't as many posts about it. Why?

The hype. Apple did it to themselves. They created something and hyped it to be the revolution of phones. In doing that they attracted a TON of attention so now more eyes are on it.

Go to any other section of this board and you will see love/hate threads as well. The difference here is the hype. We have people joining up JUST to talk about the iPhone, so of course there's going to be more anti and pro threads about the phone vs anything else.

Love it or Hate it, everyone is here for the same reason. The marketing hype Apple put behind the iPhone.

*edit* IMO there's way to many people who unequivocally LOVE the iPhone and can't take anything bad said about it. This thread is a prime example. Look at the bashing of the guy who didn't like the iPhone because of its (obvious and publicized) shortcomings. Why all the hate for the non-adopters?

Posted by: 300psi

There will always be people jealous of Apple who will hate.
Microsoft fanboys (more numerous than the entire Apple computer base) and employees who will always hate.
Employees of the other cell phone / partners who will hate.
Those who just spent $500 + on a new phone that are now mad that their phone is out of vogue will hate.

But in my opinion the majority of bashers on HoFo are technology elitists. They are scared of technology becoming available to the masses. Technology must remain a mystery that only they can use and they prefer this realm to be exclusive to the hard core geek. They like to been seen using their (insert smart phone / PDA ) and have people think how smart they are to be using a device that the average person can't operate with any efficiency. Apple contradicts this and robs these haters from the one thing they feel they could call their own.

(some of above comments are paraphrased from another forum)

Posted by: ubercool

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Originally Posted by illution

I chose to have both RICH FEATURED phones and my trusty Macbook pro with me because there are a lot of times I just cannot take out my MBP. Your wants and needs are different than me so what work for you may not works for me... I am here merely stating WHY i hate the iPhone

What I dislike is all the energy that's being channeled into being negative. If only we could harness all this negative energy and put it to more productive use, we'd all be better off.

Posted by: Airkat

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Originally Posted by 300psi

There will always be people jealous of Apple who will hate.
Microsoft fanboys (more numerous than the entire Apple computer base) and employees who will always hate.
Employees of the other cell phone / partners who will hate.
Those who just spent $500 + on a new phone that are now mad that their phone is out of vogue will hate.

Thanks for proving my point.

You guys can't get mad at the people who didn't adopt the iPhone. At least they tend to give valid points on why the first gen phone isn't for them. The lovers (dare we say fanboys here?) on the other hand prefer personal attacks vs combating each reason given.

Ever think the phone may not be for everyone? Ever think that just maybe people are happy with what they have vs jealous at what they don't have?

Posted by: duffyanneal

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Originally Posted by Airkat

The hype. Apple did it to themselves. They created something and hyped it to be the revolution of phones. In doing that they attracted a TON of attention so now more eyes are on it.

It is a revolution of phones. It's not a quantum leap but it is a step in the right direction. If you or others can't see this then you need to take your blinders off. If we were to not question that type of mentality then we would all still be riding horses around.

FYI, companies are in business to sell products. It's counter intuitive to spend millions of dollars on research, design, and engineering to bring a product to market and then not try to sell it. That's just stupid.

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by duffyanneal

Sorry I couldn't resist.

I'm not sure why people "hate" the iPhone. I can understand displeasure and general dislike, but hate?

Hmm good question... I do seem to Hate something especially if it's promised to be bigger than the actual product

And no even though I hate iPhone i am not stressing over it...

Maybe my hate is actually a love and care since I am a big Apple fans, it saddens me to see them releasing this kind of "unfinished" product to the market and seeing how Windows user are bashing Apple even more

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by duffyanneal

It is indeed a step in the right direction... Like i mentioned in countless other post on this forum, I really hope Apple released firmware update to fix and add functionality.. then it will be my perfect phone for this long time Apple fans

Posted by: Airkat

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Originally Posted by duffyanneal

Once again, met with personal bashing instead of valid points. You should know duffy, that I'm not an iPhone basher. In fact, as soon as someone unlocks it I plan to get one just to play with.

I DO however think it was overhyped and some of the original promises were not delivered on. Naturally it's a first-gen phone though so there's always room for improvement.

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Originally Posted by duffyanneal

FYI, companies are in business to sell products. It's counter intuitive to spend millions of dollars on research, design, and engineering to bring a product to market and then not try to sell it. That's just stupid.

Gee, really? I thought they made them for fun? Grow up. I never said companies shouldn't market phones. I was merely explaining that the REASON that the iPhone is getting so much love/hate is BECAUSE of all the hype. It's the most talked about phone in the public eye since the Razr.

I think the better question here is, if you adopters are so secure with your purchase and decision, why the need to bash those who opted not to?

Posted by: oneclick

Im thinking about this "hating and loving" thing in another way.

Maybe America loves phones that are simple and under-featured? One of the most emphasized points about the iPhone is its simplicity, they always say "heck even a 10 year old can use it" or "my grandma can use it without any difficulty" or "the menu or UI is EVERYTHING in a phone", etc, etc.... In other words, maybe being "simple", intuitive, and easy to use, is the thing that people like.

And they like it so much that they dont really give a d*mn about anything else? It would explain why both Nokia and SE are more popular in Europe and Asia, than in the US. And why the razr sold millions and millions.

Americans are not after the features - they're after the "look", the "image", the "coolness" of the iPhone. So what if the E90 has has gps, 3G, office apps, hsdpa, better camera, a larger screen, can take video... - in their eyes, it's just not "cool enough".

Which is why iphone lovers will never go into a "feature vs feature" match - and iphone haters will never go into a "my menu vs your menu" match.

1clk

Posted by: Airkat

Quote:

Originally Posted by oneclick

Maybe America loves phones that are simple and under-featured? One of the most emphasized points about the iPhone is its simplicity, they always say "heck even a 10 year old can use it" or "my grandma can use it without any difficulty" or "the menu or UI is EVERYTHING in a phone", etc, etc.... In other words, maybe being "simple", intuitive, and easy to use, is the thing that people like.

I think you're absolutely right really. Which is why the Razr was huge, and people paid so much for the Dolce & Gabana models etc. That can also explain a lot of the animosity here though. This hype has brought a lot of that "mainstream" culture to a community bent on power devices for the main part.

It kinda goes with the "elitist geeks wanting tech for themselves" post.

Posted by: illution

Quote:

Originally Posted by oneclick

Im thinking about this "hating and loving" thing in another way.

Maybe America loves phones that are simple and under-featured? One of the most emphasized points about the iPhone is its simplicity, they always say "heck even a 10 year old can use it" or "my grandma can use it without any difficulty" or "the menu or UI is EVERYTHING in a phone", etc, etc.... In other words, maybe being "simple", intuitive, and easy to use, is the thing that people like.

And they like it so much that they dont really give a d*mn about anything else? It would explain why both Nokia and SE are more popular in Europe and Asia, than in the US. And why the razr sold millions and millions.

Americans are not after the features - they're after the "look", the "image", the "coolness" of the iPhone. So what if the E90 has has gps, 3G, office apps, hsdpa, better camera, a larger screen, can take video... - in their eyes, it's just not "cool enough".

Which is why iphone lovers will never go into a "feature vs feature" match - and iphone haters will never go into a "my menu vs your menu" match.

1clk

great elaboration!!!

Posted by: duffyanneal

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Originally Posted by Airkat

Exactly what is your issue? I'm not even close to bashing anyone. Merely stating what is already known about the phone which is that it is a revolution above and beyond what is available on the market. The iPhone does exactly what S. Jobs said it would when he announced it at Macworld. Here's what he said:

A. Widescreen iPod with touch controls

B. Revolutionary mobile phone

C. Breakthru Internet Communicator

1. Visual voice mail
2. Intuitive OS
3. Automatically syncs contacts, email, pictures, etc. easily .
4. Activation via software (iTunes) that's a first.
5. Browser that displays pages as they were meant to look.
6. Intelligent auto-correcting of typing errors.
7. Seamless network switching from Edge to WiFi
8. Ultrasonic sensors that detect when your face is next to the screen. Auto shuts off the display and touch sensors.
9. Sensors that detect screen rotation
10. And a lot more

The phone does everything that was stated. I think where the problem comes in is the time from announcement to when the product was released. People (not Apple) began to speculate on unannounced features and the hype machine spun into full speed. I'm not sure why people contribute the hype to Apple. The only thing that Apple did was produce a few commercials and the operation videos. That's it. The rest of the hype was generated by news outlets, blogs, and websites like HOFO. If you're disappointed by some "promises" that weren't delivered upon you need to take issue with whomever/whoever made those promises. It wasn't Apple.

Posted by: mghf

FWIW, I have 2 comments relating to non-technical reasons people bash the iPhone:

1. I have had macs AND PCs since 1985 and have met many people who hate all things Apple (such as my sister in-law) even though they never used one for a minute. There are many people who simple want Microsoft/Windows to rule the world. iPhone is guilty by association.

2. Could be they shorted they stock.... The AAPL stock groups have found people causing negative comments to drive the stock down.

BTW, Even with the 17 hours on the phone to get our 2 iPhones activated we love them and plan to buy every new model. We'll never go back to "old" cell phones. The bashers seem to forget these phones are the first that are easily upgraded. Many things will be improved and added without having to buy a new phone.

Posted by: skankboy

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Originally Posted by DavidD

IMO they are the people that really can't afford it.

That comment is usually said by someone that has said item but struggled to pay for it.

The afford ability factor may be true for some, I doubt that is true for most.

Posted by: duffyanneal

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Originally Posted by oneclick

1clk

I think you have some good points, but I think you might be giving people too much credit in some regards and not enough in others.

Here's my $.02.

Most people are very simple. They want the most for the least amount of effort. Saying they want simple and under featured is somewhat correct but also insulting in the same breath. A lot of the guys here are ubber techno zealots (in a good way) that know about all there is to know about mobile devices. I think you are giving Joe Q. Public way too much credit when you say they want under featured. Joe doesn't miss a feature that he has never seen or heard of before. You think it's faulty because it's missing a feature while Joe is perfectly happy with what he has.. never knowing what was missing.

When Apple designed the iPhone they were creating a device for the 98 percentile of their target market. You can't make everyone happy, but you can try to get as many demographics into your customer base as possible. Apple released a device that delivered on what they said the device would have.. nothing more (unless you count YouTube). This is called the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle (not making this up) and they executed it very well. Once the base product has been introduced and released then more features will be added on later revs. As most iPhone owners will attest the machine is fairly robust and most of the bugs have been worked out. Compared to my Treo 650, Razor, and multitude of older Sony/Ericsson devices the iPhone is the most stable of them all. Now Apple can move forward and start to implement software additions that will add more value to the product. These will add features that some here are sorely missing, and in addition these updates will generate more press and that's good for sales.

If you boil it all down Apple did a very good job delivering a product that a large group of people wanted. Whether they knew they wanted it or not. It provides many elements that people want/desire in a mobile device while presenting it in a very easy to use wrapper along with the cachet that it is made by Apple. That is what Apple is best at. They innovate not necessarily by providing something first, but by providing something in a way that 98% of the public can use and use intuitively.

Posted by: 300psi

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Originally Posted by Airkat

There are haters that clearly fall into one or more of the examples I listed. Not sure how that proves your point. I have no problem with anyone citing why the iPhone does not meet their needs and if you are not bashing the iPhone you obviously would not be one of the examples I cited. It doesn't change the fact that their are people out their like that just as their are Apple fanboys that see no wrong in Apple.

Where I do take some issue with is people coming to the Apple forum and citing why they think the iPhone sucks cause it is missing this or that feature or falls short of what Apple promised. As duffy and others have pointed out SJ promised three things : Phone, Ipod, internet communicator and navigator. This is what he delivered. To me it makes no since to come here and complain of a missing feature like video anymore than going on the Nokia forum and saying the reason I'm not buying the N95 because it has a small screen, doesn't do visual voice mail, no finger scrolling, etc. If those were features I wanted/needed then why would I look at the N95 when it never claimed it was going to have those things ?

Posted by: Lawmen23

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Originally Posted by ubercool

Not necessarily. I can afford an iPhone. I have no interest in buying it because it costs more than my current phone(700w, which I bought the day it came out) and does far less. I am an early adopter. I love buying products that are more expensive than others because in most cases, the additional cost is due to added value. With the iPhone it appears the additional cost is just to add padding to Steve Jobs wallet. The hardware is inferior to phones released over 12 months ago, and the touch screen is different, but not practical. It also has significantly less features software wise which have been itemized in numerous posts and backed by poor reviews. And incase you're wondering, I work for AT&T. (Not the cellular division)

Posted by: pstereo

most of the time you hear someone trash talk another phone (specially in forums) it really sounds to me like they're trying to justify their own purchase.

I personally think the iPhone is great. I don't do much internet browsing on phones, since I'm practically around a computer most of the time, but when I do it really sux on an old Sanyo.
I carry my personal cell phone, my work phone, and my ipod around everywhere. Having one less thing to carry around, would be great. Try going for a mile run with two cells iPod, keys are wallet.

They say there are multiple colors in the spectrum 'cause everybody can't agree on the same one. Pick one you like and forget about what the others think.

Posted by: ShovelhEd

I have always thought it was just the excitement Apple hardware lovers have shown for the devices that get under people's skin... People hate to see somebody love their stuff more than they love their stuff it seems. Pretty silly

Posted by: wildrock

All the hate is just because Apple didn't solve the problems that created folks' hate for their own cell. So they just project that hate elsewhere--to the iPhone in this case. If people were truly happy with their own cell, there wouldn't be any need for them to come here and spew hatred. If they do it anyway, they're just being bullies.

Actually, hatred for a morally-neutral gadget reflects far deeper problems within the haters than just being obnoxious about others' choice of technology.

Posted by: Lawmen23

If you check through this forum you'll probably find that 1 out of every 99 posters love their iPhone. The ones who haven't returned it already are having buyers remorse. Just an observation.

Posted by: ferniesp

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Originally Posted by Lawmen23

If you check through this forum you'll probably find that 1 out of every 99 posters love their iPhone. The ones who haven't returned it already are having buyers remorse. Just an observation.

I will agree with you that many are having buyers remorse. The hype is toning down, not much media coverage as of late, less people asking for it at the stores. That being said, do I like the phone or would I buy it? I'll be totally honest on this. Right now, I have 5 lines with Verizon and my service is great! No complaints. I have a very nice maxx ve that does everything very well. I have toyed with the Iphone since it came out at the stores where I live....I live very close to one store that has 3 display models. I will go in there at times just to try something different that I didnt' try the last time I was in. If the store had one to sell, I would buy it and would return it within 14 days. It would be worth it to me to lose the restocking fee and usage time just for the entertainment value. I figure that 14 days with a nice phone would be worth the time, effort and money to just play with it.

My hunch is that the price will surely come down once the dust settles. Otherwise, it's not a bad phone from what I can tell with the time I have spent on it.

Posted by: amkls704

Aren't there already about 50 billion threads asking why people are bashing the iPhone?

Why does it matter? If it bothers you, don't go into those threads and stop making more. An admin is probably going to just shut this down or move it.

Who cares if they bash it because they can't afford it, don't want it, do want it and can't have it, whatever...just leave it alone. If you ignore people that give you crap, guess what, they normally go away.

Posted by: ferniesp

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Originally Posted by akazmucha

Aren't there already about 50 billion threads asking why people are bashing the iPhone?

Why does it matter? If it bothers you, don't go into those threads and stop making more. An admin is probably going to just shut this down or move it.

Who cares if they bash it because they can't afford it, don't want it, do want it and can't have it, whatever...just leave it alone. If you ignore people that give you crap, guess what, they normally go away.

I agree with you....who really cares if they bash it. If you can afford to buy it, test it, return it, whatever,or else, just enjoy it.

Posted by: chunglee99

...opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference...

i.e. people do not hate the zune they are just indifferent about it.

whether you love or hate the iphone, it has been a net positive for the phone industry.

the phone companies will release phones with higher specs for the those that are attracted to additional bullet points on the outside of the box and apple will continue to improve the iphone for those where the ui and industrial design is more important.

the iphone is a win win for all regardless if you love it or hate it as long as you are not indifferent about it.

cl

Posted by: mongoos150

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Originally Posted by Airkat

The hype. Apple did it to themselves. They created something and hyped it to be the revolution of phones. In doing that they attracted a TON of attention so now more eyes are on it.

Most of the 'hype' around the device was brought on by the media, not Apple. You couldn't go through a pile of tech journals in a single day without coming across mention of the iPhone for months before it was released. What kind of product gets that much press before it's even released?! Very few. Most of us with iPhones are fully aware and acknowledging the problems with iPhone, and are hopeful they'll be fixed. They aren't numerous or plaguing enough for me to return mine, however (though I did originally and realized I had made a mistake).

Lawmen - You're wrong. Take a look in the threads around here, many are having remorse, but not at the number you quoted. A vast majority are happy with their purchase. I actually had remorse and returned miPhone, and have had returner's remorse all weekend. I'm picking another one up tomorow afternoon, per their availability.

Posted by: DavidD

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Originally Posted by skankboy

That comment is usually said by someone that has said item but struggled to pay for it.

The afford ability factor may be true for some, I doubt that is true for most.

I think remorse sets in quickly for those that can't afford it and they will return it. I picked up my 4th one today and will most likely get more once they allow a Fed tax I.D. to be used. I am so impressed that if Gen 2 came out tomorrow I would be in line.

Posted by: FFR

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Originally Posted by Lawmen23

If you check through this forum you'll probably find that 1 out of every 99 posters love their Palm treo. The ones who haven't returned it already are having buyers remorse. Just an observation.

I agree 100% FINALLY.

Posted by: mongoos150

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Originally Posted by FFR

I agree 100% FINALLY.

You agree with an incorrect statement? Go back and look through these threads. 100% false. The vast majority of iPhone owners on this thread are quite satisfied with their purchase.

Posted by: wildrock

Quote:

Originally Posted by mongoos150

You agree with an incorrect statement? Go back and look through these threads. 100% false. The vast majority of iPhone owners on this thread are quite satisfied with their purchase.

Eh, he monkeyed with the quote...

Posted by: mib1800

Why do iphone fans always complains about people stating the (fact-based) inadequacies of iphone? If you think those points are unfair then counter them with your points. If those that cannot be countered, then the most gentleman way is to concede (instead of crying foul everytime).

Iphone fanboys need a wake-up call and accept that it is going to be impossible to convince everyone that the iphone is a revolutionary/ultimate device with (iphone) current inadequacies. So stop trying to push this myth about iphone down everyone's throat and you will find the misnomer "iphone bashing" will ease.

Posted by: dsigma6

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Originally Posted by ubercool

I think that's ludicrous. Sure, some people can't afford it any they'll bash it due to that, but others are either not interested or disappointed with the lockdown/feature dept.

You don't need to be rich to afford a $600 piece of equipment. You need to be silly.

Posted by: GeminiIII

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but others are either not interested or disappointed with the lockdown/feature dept.

or both

Posted by: snkchaos

heh my uncle hates att and is ok with apple (he owns ipods and laptops) but return the iphone because att is being asses. This is true because I was with him when we tried to replace his defective iphone. Both apple and ATT kept telling us to go to each other store about replacing the phone until someone in apple store help us. Later he return it because of AT.T again. He later went back with Tmobile because he was with them for quite a while and like there plans.

I tried my aunt's iphone but I thought I could play music from artist's myspace but didn't work like my SDA. I like the iphone overall and maybe give them time for free softwares like TCPMP, Opera and other software to be release.

Posted by: RCcola159

But you cant get the free software, because they didn't release the SDK. All you can use is online apps. Unless some hackers can crack the OS like they're doing now.

What I don't like is how iphone owners can't accept the fact that the iphone isn't the best phone around feature-wise. And if us non-owners criticize, they always have an excuse for it. For example

Iphone doubter: There's no physical keyboard.
Iphone owner: The onscreen keyboard is enough, get used to it.

Posted by: DigitalAxis

I think one thing everyone's hit on and not noticed is that the people who love and hate the iPhone might BOTH be right about it.

Sure the people who hate the iPhone might indeed be jealous, but maybe they're the people that DO need those features and can't fathom how others would call the iPhone the Best Thing Ever without them. ...Or maybe it's because Apple seems to be taking credit, in the popular eye, for innovations they already have on their phones (though why that should matter to them if they DO have a better phone makes me wonder). Meanwhile, other people who don't need those features and value the easy interface and design more WILL get the iPhone, and it will be everything they've always wanted.

All that really proves is the iPhone isn't the best phone for everyone, which was what the hype was saying. I know it's not right for me, because I'm not in the market for a smartphone anyway.

Posted by: ron808

Why would I hate or be jealous by not owning an iPhone?

There is nothing revolutionary nor cutting edge about it.

There are tons of phones that outperforms that phone. htc's 8525, nokia n series, SE's, some may be at par but i'd pick them over the iphone.

A smartphone that isn't too smart.

and a get used it atitude with the keyboard doesn't cut it either.

Posted by: Kar98

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Originally Posted by Stingersx

if you dont likrthe phone why r u trying to darken people joy
if you want to review it great but going aroung saying people made mistakes
well dont kill other joy

You typed that on a iPhone, didn't you?

Posted by: dsigma6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kar98

You typed that on a iPhone, didn't you?

Posted by: Deeva

I'm not a hater....but what is Iphone really...other than a product that had outstanding marketing. Let's be real shall we........ever since the ipod came out and became a name-brand phenomenon, you have millions of people out there that don't care what it does as long as they own it and it's called I-something, and it's an authentic Apple Product. I'm not going to put those people down because we are all guilty of it at some point with our favourite brands. I think it's the transitions between the different apps, and the animations (such as when deleting an image in your pictures directory) is what people ooo and ahhh about. They love that sort of thing. But in reality, Iphone is hardly anything innovative that hasn't been copied from other devices. I think that the rest of us who don't own it aren't jealous of it at all. We just want more out of a device to justify its cost. Especially those of us who are university students/business owners....we need something that can almost do it all, and do it right. We don't want to carry around a zillion devices to meet our needs, no matter how trendy the device is. That's probably why any device I own, is usually a device that people around me have heard nothing absolutely nothing about or never seen before. I look for functionality first, looks second...and Iphone doesn't do it for me. But for my friends whose lives aren't anywhere as close to as hectic as mine, and need a device for entertainment...Iphone is their first choice.

Posted by: amnesia

I don't like to argue, but some arguments here are very stupid.

Someone said that "If you like an 9500 you might as well buy a laptop". (Show me a laptop the size of a 9500...)

I love Apple, however I'm disappointed with the lack of features, which I hope will change with the next model of the iPhone

However I hate the fact that iPhone lovers run around screaming "The iPhone is better than the Prada phone" when comparing two totally different phones is unfair.

I also hate the fact that some iPhone users think that Apple invented the touch screen.

At the end of the day, I understand it when people choose to buy a phone that they like.
I own a Luna for example. Doesn't have great functionality, but it sure is sexy. The iPhone is a great phone and I believe they purposely released it with a few 'missing' features to make the next model even more exciting.

Posted by: pukemon

[QUOTE=duffyanneal]

Most people are very simple. They want the most for the least amount of effort. QUOTE]

not picking on you duffy but that statement is very indicative of the lazy, the rich, the elitists, the apathetic or even alot of americans. and generally, i'm surrounded by alot of persons with this attitude and would deny it to the grave. if you knew how many times i have heard i hate these $#%#!$%# gas prices, but it would nice be to own some stock in oil so i could charge more, you'd wish slapping sense into people was legal. as for the iphone, it's one of those really nifty gadgets that's way overpriced in my opinion. as are alot of "cool" cellphones. i'm indifferent on the subject, but would consider getting one if it ever came down to < $200. and only if i could buy it unlocked/unbranded because we all know at&t will figure out a way to start charging for standby time or something else really stupid and persons making the most money with the least amount of productive time would pay it.

Posted by: Mgz

well whoever bought the iphone barely 2 months ago got robed 200$ by Apple (plus 4-8 hrs of life get wasted from lining up)

or the one who paid 1000$ on ebay, etc,lol

sure cell phone drop in price a lot but 200$ in 2 months is the first.

good fight early adopter/apple fanboi/fangril

Posted by: ace587

i can afford the iphone and pay ur mama to sleep with me, why am i not getting the iphone? coz its **** to begin with

Posted by: LIVEFRMNYC

The Iphone lacks some serious Features, but it is also Revolutionary.

Revolutionary means change, and with the price drop of the Iphone and being able to unlock it, the Iphone will start to sell like hotcakes. Especially during Holiday season.
Not to mention the new Itouch. So the Iphone will basiaclly be the new Razr within a year.

Being that said ..... The Iphone design, and touch UI just works, and works very well.
Also many similar products like the HTC touch in the market or coming soon.

So I call the Iphone Revolutionary for the simple fact that it's a huge step/change forward and consumers are not going to want to go back to the old style of doing things. Even texters are choosing the Iphone over Hardkey qwerty. You think they will go back to hardkeys?

BTW ...I'm no Apple fanboy ....Just look at my phone list.

Posted by: 1337_BerryFan

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Originally Posted by illution

i hate the iPhone...
why?
1. Overhyped - "Someone" introduced the iPhone during Macworld and compared it to 4 smartphones and promised us it will be SMARTER AND EASIER... well it's easier but definitely not smarter because its lack in function
2. Crippled functionality - No 3rd party apps... lol
3. Lack of features - No basic phone functions such as setting your own ringtones... lol
the updates better come quick

@Ubercool (poster above me)
I've used Nokia 9500 and it was priced almost double the iphone
So YES, I can buy the iphone but i am not shelling my penny for a crippled dumbed down phone and NO i do not work for phone company

Stop thinking that iPhone is the most expensive phone in the market because it is not... Nokia E90 is priced at 1000 bucks so it's more expensive...
Also, stop thinking that iPhone is the best featured phone in the market because it is not... my current Nokia E61i and i know HTC TyTn both have way more features than iPhone with the same price or even LESS

Also, when RAZR came out with 500 bucks pricetag, it's even WORSE than iPhone so yes RAZR deserves to be kicked in the nuts... When this continent is hyping and drolling over RAZR, i've used my good ol' Sharp 903SH with 3.2MPx

There's more phones in the world than the crappy crippled locked down phones in the US market

That's actually incorrect. I believe it's modeled after Dashboard in OS X but you're supposed to be able to add web apps to the device which will make functionality of the device pretty much limitless.

Posted by: 1337_BerryFan

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Originally Posted by RCcola159

But you cant get the free software, because they didn't release the SDK. All you can use is online apps. Unless some hackers can crack the OS like they're doing now.

What I don't like is how iphone owners can't accept the fact that the iphone isn't the best phone around feature-wise. And if us non-owners criticize, they always have an excuse for it. For example

Iphone doubter: There's no physical keyboard.
Iphone owner: The onscreen keyboard is enough, get used to it.

I actually had the same thought as you about the keyboard, even when I first started using it, it seemed a bit annoying but you actually could get used to it fairly quick.