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Still waiting for WM6 for the BJ!!
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Posted by: chriskurn

The official release is dragging....

I'm not sure which will come first, a 3G iPhone or the official WM6 update for the BJ!?

LOL

Posted by: player911

Well at least the WM6 update is available, if only unofficially.

I'm waiting just like you, but if they don't hurry up I'm just gonna go with the unofficial version.

Posted by: YamahaBlue

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At least you have an official release to look forward to. Us Q owners dont even have that. =)

Posted by: chriskurn

I installed the beta version without a hitch....the only reason I when back to WM5 was because of a few bugs. I liked everything about WM6.

Posted by: chriskurn

I am really surprised that the Q is being left in the dark.

Posted by: phild4000

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Originally Posted by chriskurn

I installed the beta version without a hitch....the only reason I when back to WM5 was because of a few bugs. I liked everything about WM6.

did WM 6 run any slower since its newer?

Posted by: RCcola159

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Originally Posted by phild4000

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Originally Posted by chriskurn

I installed the beta version without a hitch....the only reason I when back to WM5 was because of a few bugs. I liked everything about WM6.

did WM 6 run any slower since its newer?

runs pretty well for me. slower when youhave a lot of apps open

Posted by: alphaivt

can you upgrade a BJ with WM5 to WM6? If yes, is it a free upgrade?

Posted by: fochsenhirt

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Originally Posted by alphaivt

can you upgrade a BJ with WM5 to WM6? If yes, is it a free upgrade?

(1) eventually, but not yet and (2) it will be.

Posted by: maevro

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Originally Posted by alphaivt

can you upgrade a BJ with WM5 to WM6? If yes, is it a free upgrade?

There was a leaked Samsung i600 WM6 upgrade a while back and it does work on the i607, but it is not the official WM6 upgrade that AT&T/Samsung had promised. This i600 upgrade is free but like people have said, there might be a few bugs.

The official WM6 upgrade will be free when it officially comes out. I mean it is August in a week or so and still no sign of it, and AT&T still has to roll out the WM6 upgrade for the Treo 750 too.

I have an unofficial WM6 upgrade on my HTC 3600 and it works much better then the OEM WM5 and it looks a lot better too. Personally, it ran better then the Official WM6 Dopod release so I stuck with the unofficial. So official doesn't always mean better.

Posted by: iJITSU

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Originally Posted by maevro

There is also an AT&T generated ROM for the i607 that was leaked as well, but it has bugs also.

Posted by: Kevad007

I have posted this in a few places already but since this keeps coming up I will repeat it here. In mid June AT&T advised their retail store employees, or at least the managers, that Mobile 6 for the Blackjack would be delayed a month or two BEYOND their original projection (8 weeks to test after getting from Microsoft in late May) due to the number and in a few cases the complexity of issues/bugs/time needed to fix them. I confirmed with 2 different stores and one manager this, and that this meant pushing it back from mid to late July to August or September. Now, were iPhone distractions really part of the delay, maybe. If they go forward with it looks like at least a week or more and maybe into Sept. Some on this forum have reoported there are some in the process at ATT saying just to scrap it at this point. Hope this is informative, and not too hard to read or too ranty as I have been accused lateley

How's your weather?

Posted by: player911

Well thats true. Official doesn't always mean better. Most of the time the unofficial ones are the best. There are a few bugs to be worked out, but honestly none of them are show stoppers AND all of them can be fixed if someone wanted to spend the time.

The important thing is that its out there, so whether AT&T releases it or not, we have it. Plus I wouldn't think they would just scrap it. I mean it works fine. It has a few bugs, but having a device with the latest Windows Mobile OS is a big selling point. I mean, I bought the blackjack just KNOWING that there was the unofficial WM6 firmware.

The thing is if they want to continue selling their stock of blackjacks... then they'll want to put WM6 on them (especially if they already had the firmware created).

They'd make more money if they just finished it, released it, and watched sales go up. Anyone buying a Windows Mobile Phone should be smart enough to buy only WM6 phones or else it'll be outdated by the time you pull it out of the box.

Posted by: alphaivt

will AT&T release the upgrade or Microsoft? I'm using an unlocked BlackJack on T-Mobile.

Posted by: ARHYTHMATIK

Samsung will release it, and ATT will probably have some type of download on their site as well. I am on T-Mobile with an unlocked Blackjack too (not for much longer though) and already upgraded to the version out there floating around and it is TONS better than WM5. The typing problem is fixed-- that's one of the main improvements.

Posted by: FreeWil

I have the "unofficial" WM6 and am tired of waiting for the official which may or may not ever come. I have an SGH-i607 unlocked (subsidy & file unlocked). I have done several mods, added apps, and registry edits and have backups for all originals. I would sure appreciate a step by step walk-through for applying this unofficial WM6 update from someone who has done it, just to avoid hidden pitfalls and "oh I forgot to's", etc Many thanks.

Posted by: player911

www.samsung.com

They lay everything out on the line.

Posted by: amazza

The only reason the MOTO Q has been left in the dark regarding WM6 is because the Q9 w/ WM6 is supposed to be released in August.

Posted by: player911

Well this thread is about the Blackjack. And still, Motorola should be willing to keep their phones updated. I hate how companies make a new product and totally abandon their previous models. The blackjack has a new revision coming out in October... yet we still get a firmware upgrade.

Posted by: alphaivt

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Originally Posted by player911

Well this thread is about the Blackjack. And still, Motorola should be willing to keep their phones updated. I hate how companies make a new product and totally abandon their previous models. The blackjack has a new revision coming out in October... yet we still get a firmware upgrade.

what will this new revision include? Just software upgrades or hardware upgrades as well?

Posted by: FreeWil

Well I got tired of waiting. Followed, (exactly), same step by step directions for the recent AT&T ROM upgrade (re-brand Cingular to AT&T), I upgraded to WM6. I used the file shown as for i600 Korean language and it went fine, it's in English, and other than re-installing apps and a few hacks/settings, I now have WM6 running & working fine on Blackjack.

Posted by: entfla

i would like to try, is there a way to flash back to wm 5 if it doesn't run all my apps?

Posted by: ~~Tito~~

What revision? Are they going to release it for at&t?

Posted by: Kevad007

Mobile 6 official final edition was released by T-Mobile for the DASH in the first days of May, 3 MONTHS AGO! I find it hard to believe that Samsung and AT&T needed 3 additional months to test and fix bugs from the version Microsoft gave them. This delay has more to do with Apple, and other screwball marketing schemes than with the reality of just getting the job done, and benefiting those of us who pay them dearly.

I am not impressed with the lack of firmware fixes offered or allowed by Samsung/ATT, nor the length of time to offer firmware and this Mobile 6 upgrade, which really would be better called Mobile 5.2 due to lack of substantial improvements.

It took Apple 1 month to offer at least a download that made some differences to the iPhone, and yet here we are almost 9 months after the release of the Blackjack, and Beta Mobile 6 was floating way back around then based upon leaked reviews, and we are lead to believe its taken all this time to implement what is really a very modest set of changes.

Give us a break ATT & Samsung, just focus, get the job done, and release it already so we can have at least a few improvements.

And by the way, Microsoft, you added AUTO updating of Mobile 6 into the programming, but you could have done a better job coming up with improvements and add ons to Mobile 6 in the first place. Its been 90 days since the Dash got Mobile 6, and others have it, HAVE YOU ISSUED ONE FREAKING UPDATE YET? Not that I have seen since I loaded the leaked slightly buggy version early June.

If Apple can do it in one month, why cannot Microsoft and Samsung, or is AT&T so controlling on this situation holding everything else up for their favored son the iPhone or what ever money making purpose they have at our time and expense!

Ranting is good sometimes, so there!

Posted by: FreeWil

Well my "unofficial" WM6 is working fine. I presume I could flash back to WM5 with the same type of file I used for WM6 but for WM5. I bet some searching would produce just that, I may even have it in all my full & partial backups and copies from previous setup, but so far I don't anticipate flashing back. While the new "advantages" of WM6 are limited, (HTML email, etc) it's better than nothing until/if AT&T comes up with something "official" (which may even be more limited). So far my re-installed apps are working fine (Opera, BEIKS Dictionary, Google Maps, Windows Live, fCalc, Olive Tree Bible, Kaspersky AV, PHM RegEdit, Sprite Backup, Yahoo Go).

Posted by: player911

Yea you can flash back to WM5 by using the latest release off of the samsung website.

As far as the Blackjack 2 (or so its been dubbed)... imagine the blackjack, only in a slider, and alot thicker.

When closed it looks like a ball (or sorts) because its alot more rounded (a rounded square).

I don't like it. The keyboard looks the same as well as the screen. Its just a different form factor. I think it has some hardware upgrades as well.

Posted by: FreeWil

Player... Just in case I need it I went looking for the latest WM5 file on the Samsung website. The only downloads I could find for the SGH-i607 are the user manual, NotePadSynch 1.0.1, ActiveSynch 4.2 (I'm already running 4.5), and the AT&T upgrade ROM file. Is the upgrade ROM file what I would need to flash back to WM5 or will that only work where WM5 is already in place as opposed to WM6 which I now have?

thanks for your help...

Posted by: player911

Yea the upgrade rom is what works. I've never done it, but I know several people who have.

If you have any issues, reset the device a few times. I had several problems the first two times I soft reset. I don't know if the backups caused problems or if they were originally there... I just know that after a few soft resets and setting everything up manually... its working like a charm. No problems what so ever (just the differences between the OS's).

Posted by: FreeWil

I used Tweaks2k2Net to get rid of the 3 second ring delay between rings. Then I discovered how to do that via registry edits (HKCU ControlPanel Sounds Ringtone0/1/2 change 'apw3r' to 'apr'). Somewhere in the process I got locked out of selecting or editing my 'Normal' profile. Is there a way to delete a profile or get it back for selecting/editing? I have created another profile with identical selections and called it 'Regular'. It COULD be selected and does the same as the old normal. I then changed it's name to NORMAL hoping it would overwrite the old one but now I have two Normals, one usable one not. Sure wish I could get rid of the useless one! Any ideas out there?

Posted by: Kevad007

Here in Southern California it looks like AT&T is finally turning on a large number of 3G towers tomorrow, as rumor goes, and as lots of activity today confirmed. In the past we have had insiders come on and give us indications as to timing, and its turning out they were mostly right. I am surprised some warm hearted person within Samsung and/or AT&T hasn't come on and let us all know what is holding up Mobile 6 so dang long. If you look at the coverage map it has not been updated since MAY 31, 2007, usually they update it to the last of the month about 2 weeks into the next month. This seems to indicate that the EDGE upgrade for APPLE ITES and the iPhone resulted in no new coverage changes or work on the 3G system for over a month so that is why no coverage update was provided. Thus it looks like all man power was diverted to the iPhone for over a month, all to the disadvantage of others. Samsung probably cannot just issue the update and Mobile 6 until approved and tweaked/tested by AT&T and they probably just put it on the back burner for 4 to 8 weeks here dealing with iPhone. If that is what happened or part of what happened I am really finding it hard to understand how Samsung could sit back and let that happen and not just SCREAM at ATT. First they take out the WiFi, then no firmware or software fixes, and now we get put back as less important customers, all for the sake of iPhone? If not, then come up with some truth that explains the unexplainable. People had Mobile 6 betas in February, here it is August and its still not ready for prime time officially. OH COME ON!

Posted by: zoom2020

I agree with Kevad007. AT&T is not respecting their Blackjack customers. There is no reason that the WM6 update should not have been released by now. It appears that they will have new WM6 phones available this month before we see the long awaited WM6 upgrade for Blackjack.

Posted by: N7TND

From a business perspective what is the motivation? They have our money; those that really want WM6 will just go buy the new phone........

I would not surprised if we don't see the update.

From what I have read about the upgrade I'm really not too sure why folks want it.

Now if the update gave us WiFi (BJ does not have the hardware to support it since AT&T make Samsung take it out), and a Bluetooth fix, that might be something worth longing for.....

Posted by: sb0611

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Originally Posted by N7TND

From a business perspective what is the motivation? They have our money; those that really want WM6 will just go buy the new phone........

I would not surprised if we don't see the update.

From what I have read about the upgrade I'm really not too sure why folks want it.

Now if the update gave us WiFi (BJ does not have the hardware to support it since AT&T make Samsung take it out), and a Bluetooth fix, that might be something worth longing for.....

I agree that they have our money, but they may not get my money next time I upgrade phones. You see, I might just switch to T-Mobile since they have at least recently stepped up to the plate in that respect (WM6 for the Dash!).
If they don't update the BJ, I will be done with AT&T!

Posted by: N7TND

If T-Mobile had better coverage and 3G I would probably jump also. Gotta admit, their rate plans are pretty good.

Posted by: amg212

For those that have hacked the i600 WM6 update onto their Blackjack - Any improvement in bluetooth (in particular, activating voice command from a BT headset)?

Posted by: Ian Brantford

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Originally Posted by sb0611

They don't have my money yet! I am waiting for WM6 on the Blackjack before I buy it. If they don't provide very soon, I'll probably go with an HTC product instead. WM6 for the Tytn is available now.

Posted by: N7TND

I would not buy one if I were you. Just too many similar phones in the pipeline now to buy the BJ. The S630 or new Moto Q look like good phones to hold off for.

I have been looking at the 8925 but not sure I want to go back to a large "brick" phone. The Treo 750 is looking good but I have heard too many negative things about it.

Posted by: player911

Well the unofficial WM6 works great. The only problem is that when you press and hold a character, it no longer displays the symbol (which was sorta nice in WM5).

Other then that its gravy. Sure the left softkey doesn't change to "Message" when you get a message... but you do have a freakin' dedicated key for Messages, so it ain't all that important.

Battery = same. Speed is different though. It takes a little bit longer to turn on... but it is snappier when running.

The End Key problem went away after a few soft-resets. I've been using WM6 for almost a month now and I haven't reset it since the first day I flashed WM6 (I reset a few times that day afterwards during testing).

There aren't really too many features that are introduced to really make the upgrade lucrative... but any enthusiast would want to do it or anyone who just wants to try it out. If you upgrade to WM6, just act as if you first pulled it out of the box and set up the device completely manually. Don't use any backups other then what Activesync provides (I only synced my contacts and calendar appointments).

Posted by: N7TND

Good to know it is 'stable'. The only reason I have not installed the 'unofficial' version is because of the lack of Internet Connect for teathering.

Posted by: Ian Brantford

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Originally Posted by player911

Well the unofficial WM6 works great. The only problem is that when you press and hold a character, it no longer displays the symbol (which was sorta nice in WM5).

Other then that its gravy. Sure the left softkey doesn't change to "Message" when you get a message... but you do have a freakin' dedicated key for Messages, so it ain't all that important.

Battery = same. Speed is different though. It takes a little bit longer to turn on... but it is snappier when running.

The End Key problem went away after a few soft-resets. I've been using WM6 for almost a month now and I haven't reset it since the first day I flashed WM6 (I reset a few times that day afterwards during testing).

There aren't really too many features that are introduced to really make the upgrade lucrative... but any enthusiast would want to do it or anyone who just wants to try it out. If you upgrade to WM6, just act as if you first pulled it out of the box and set up the device completely manually. Don't use any backups other then what Activesync provides (I only synced my contacts and calendar appointments).

Thanks for the summary. Aren't there problems with tethering to a PC with the Beta WM6? I sometimes like to use my phone as a modem via Bluetooth.

Posted by: Ian Brantford

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Originally Posted by N7TND

I would not buy one if I were you. Just too many similar phones in the pipeline now to buy the BJ. The S630 or new Moto Q look like good phones to hold off for.

I have been looking at the 8925 but not sure I want to go back to a large "brick" phone. The Treo 750 is looking good but I have heard too many negative things about it.

I do always have my eye on the horizon for the next candidate phone. The S630 is one of them. The Q and 750 are not -- Motorola and Palm has such a long history of defective phones for me and everyone I know, and many people on this forum, that it's not worth risking many hundreds of dollars for one.

I'd rather get something that has been on the market for a while. The Blackjack is a good phone except for some glitches that seem to have been fixed with WM6. So, it looks like my best bet for a reliable small PDA/phone until I'm willing to spring for something more (even if it's a bit bigger) -- like a Kaiser or Omni. Plus, the Blackjack is cheap now. :-)

Posted by: sb0611

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Originally Posted by player911

The new WM6 features are neat but secondary in my opinion. Primarily, I am hopeful to have the previously discussed shortcomings - in particular the crippled bluetooth stack - and other bugs fixed.

Posted by: player911

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Originally Posted by Ian Brantford

Thanks for the summary. Aren't there problems with tethering to a PC with the Beta WM6? I sometimes like to use my phone as a modem via Bluetooth.

There aren't bugs, per say, but the program and everything attached to it are missing. Thats not to say that a third party program can't make it happen or that the bluetooth/usb capabilities are gone.

Only the exe and the reg edits are gone. This leaves us out in the cold. I speculate that the only reason its not fixed yet by the community is that the official WM6 update may be out any day now and have everything you need.

Most people just don't want to waste their time working on a patch when its only the unofficial release. If AT&T and/or Samsung release the official upgrade and its still not there... then the community will take it upon themselves to work out the kinks.

With the i600's release of WM6, I would think someone would pull it out of that since the two have somewhat similar hardware.