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Posted by: blue4n3

I'm looking for some honest opinions. I am still going sell the n95 to get an e90 b/c the features and it's standalone usability when i'm out of the country, but for going out at night and for a backup/pretty phone I am looking to get an iphone (not to mention im a apple fanboy and just want one). anyone who has made the switch? Any user comments that could steer me the right way My mind in not totally made up...so suggestions welcome.

Posted by: Caiman1900

I had an N95 and I love my iPhone. I find the RF much better on the iPhone and the internet usability much better, I am glad I made the switch. Why do you need another phone for international, the iPhone is quadband?

Posted by: chriswitt

While I haven't used the phones you mention above, I have owned the N80ie, 6682, N70, N73, and one who's keypad butterflies out which I can't remember the name of, I would comment that the reasons for leaving were primarily these factors:

1. General slowness of OS. Clicking the Menu button left me hanging, but once it got the the menu I could shoot around pretty easily.
2. Slowness of applications. For example, wanting to record a voice-note, I couldn't just push a button and start talking; I had to watch the phone and wait for the recording indicator to come on.
3. Frustration on lack of apps from S60v2 to v3. Really not relevant to this, but really left me very frustrated and angry with Nokia.

This is not to say that the Nokia's are super slow; it's just that the "pause" when doing things was noticeable, and that kind of thing added up. I traded over to a WM phone, and that was just simply a complete disaster. If the iPhone was banished from the earth, I would go back to a Nokia phone.

The iPhone is much faster to use "overall", which is a nice change. The web browsing on the iPhone is so much easier than the Nokia because I touch where I want to go; I don't have to angle around the little pointer to click the link I want, then use a number pad for text entry on logins or url's. I guess there are other browsers out for Nokia now, but I haven't used them.

Another biggee for me is the battery life, which easily out-performs any other smartphone I've used. Really, really spectacular. I see others are having trouble, and just hope that's a minority - mine's freakin fantastic.

Whatever you choose - good luck!

Posted by: blue4n3

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Originally Posted by Caiman1900

I had an N95 and I love my iPhone. I find the RF much better on the iPhone and the internet usability much better, I am glad I made the switch. Why do you need another phone for international, the iPhone is quadband?

quadband but i cannot put an int'l sim card in mine ( have intl numbers). What if I need GPS to get around the place? I dont want ot lug around another camera...and no...2mp will not cut it w/o flas and AF (or video). I want to be able to tether via bluetooth and use OBEX file transfers and stream music via BT...not just use a headet.

Posted by: blue4n3

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Originally Posted by chriswitt

While I haven't used the phones you mention above, I have owned the N80ie, 6682, N70, N73, and one who's keypad butterflies out which I can't remember the name of, I would comment that the reasons for leaving were primarily these factors:

1. General slowness of OS. Clicking the Menu button left me hanging, but once it got the the menu I could shoot around pretty easily.
2. Slowness of applications. For example, wanting to record a voice-note, I couldn't just push a button and start talking; I had to watch the phone and wait for the recording indicator to come on.
3. Frustration on lack of apps from S60v2 to v3. Really not relevant to this, but really left me very frustrated and angry with Nokia.

This is not to say that the Nokia's are super slow; it's just that the "pause" when doing things was noticeable, and that kind of thing added up. I traded over to a WM phone, and that was just simply a complete disaster. If the iPhone was banished from the earth, I would go back to a Nokia phone.

The iPhone is much faster to use "overall", which is a nice change. The web browsing on the iPhone is so much easier than the Nokia because I touch where I want to go; I don't have to angle around the little pointer to click the link I want, then use a number pad for text entry on logins or url's. I guess there are other browsers out for Nokia now, but I haven't used them.

Another biggee for me is the battery life, which easily out-performs any other smartphone I've used. Really, really spectacular. I see others are having trouble, and just hope that's a minority - mine's freakin fantastic.

Whatever you choose - good luck!

I hear you on that one. Nokia has made a HUGE improvement with this year's devicesw/ a processor that makes sense. Remember...N80 was the first S60v3 device and s60v2 is old in terms of tech. that said..the basics are sooooo nice on the iphone

i hate decisions that cost mt money

Posted by: pfreitas

The E90's web browsing capabilities are far superior to any other S60's. In the s60 -forums I think you will find quite a few iphone>E90 converts that are very happy with the browser. I for one find it to be nearly as good as my old 770 Internet Tablet and in many cases superior with the built in qwerty.

Posted by: bothfly

I too had the N95 a few months back.
Great little phone, but the Battery was so bad that I sold it about a week or two later.
I mean whats the point if you use A2DP to listen to MP3's for an hour or so to have 1/2 the battery life left. WiFi was good, but even with the nice Nokia browser it didn't cut it.
The camera was the best deal out of it all. I loved the 5mp and upload to Flickr.
But being a Apple guy, the iPhone is the best all around phone I've come across. I guess I wanted all my other phone to work as well as the iPhone does with all my Apple stuff, ie email, iCal and iTunes.
The camera part doesn't even come close to the N95's and forget about video.
The iPhone's UI is good enough right now, I'll be upset if I can't change to MP3 ringtones soon, or customize the UI a bit, but if I have to live with it as it is, I will. Until iPhone 2.0 comes out.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by bothfly

I too had the N95 a few months back.
Great little phone, but the Battery was so bad that I sold it about a week or two later.
I mean whats the point if you use A2DP to listen to MP3's for an hour or so to have 1/2 the battery life left. WiFi was good, but even with the nice Nokia browser it didn't cut it.
The camera was the best deal out of it all. I loved the 5mp and upload to Flickr.
But being a Apple guy, the iPhone is the best all around phone I've come across. I guess I wanted all my other phone to work as well as the iPhone does with all my Apple stuff, ie email, iCal and iTunes.
The camera part doesn't even come close to the N95's and forget about video.
The iPhone's UI is good enough right now, I'll be upset if I can't change to MP3 ringtones soon, or customize the UI a bit, but if I have to live with it as it is, I will. Until iPhone 2.0 comes out.

I will say again its what do you want in a phone,i get 5 hrs of a2dp playback with the n95 and although the battery by far isnt the best, it only takes an hr to fully charge, also from the looks of these boards it seems it might be on par with the iphone, with the n95 im not happy with the ram on it, and again reading these threads it dont seem like the iphone handles it to well also, many threads on safari crashing or when using ipod then browsing phone crashing, i know without a doubt the ui on the iphone has to be so much nicer and smoother, but even that after a while will lose its luster, when u come to realize how much u are actually losing, there is no question and im sure no one can deny the e90 and the n95 are much more powerful devices overall, and they both sync to a mac and both use itunes for music transfer, and as for the ui on the e90 or n95 they both are leaps and bounds above the former s60 speed, im not saying its as smooth as the iphone again, Thats where i say its what you want in a phone.

Posted by: stevie-z

Had the n95 for 2 weeks. Sold it long before the iphone came out for a number of reasons;

-worst battery life ive experienced in a phone, wouldn't last an entire day of the use i needed out of it.
-browser, although the best of a mobile i had used, still not up to my standards
-the camera's great quality was useless when it took 5 minutes to snap a photo
-the keyboard was not as comfortable to type on as my w810
-NO QWERTY on a phone that desperately needs it
-it was bigger and thicker then I needed
-build quality was sub par (creaking/groaning), although generally this is not the case with nokia or n95's
-The ugliest UI i have used yet, aside from my old nokia 8801. Custimizable, sure, but still ugly and poorly transitioned
-buggy, poor ram (cannot open applications because too many open/being used?) slow and choppy
-Way tooo expensive considering an extra 200 bucks on the iphone
-GPS took too long to connect where I am, which made it far from usefull. As well, would often not be able to calculate a route.

Pretty much eveything on the iphone is superior in terms of my needs( esp. battery life). I was maybe expecting too much from the n95 before it finally arrived, but the same could have been said of my iphone. Its smoother, far less bugs, much prettier, smaller, better UI, better browser, and a qwerty type keyboard.

Posted by: jettie1767

I had the N95 for about a month. Sold it when I got the iPhone. It was a neat phone but it was cumbersome to use when browsing anything. The UI has greatly improved from the N80 as well as the speed. But, I switched to the iPhone because most of my music were bought from iTunes and to have it play on N95 was a cumbersome process. Now, with the iPhone, I have one device for music and phone.

Posted by: blue4n3

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Originally Posted by stevie-z

Had the n95 for 2 weeks. Sold it long before the iphone came out for a number of reasons;

-worst battery life ive experienced in a phone, wouldn't last an entire day of the use i needed out of it.
-browser, although the best of a mobile i had used, still not up to my standards
-the camera's great quality was useless when it took 5 minutes to snap a photo
-the keyboard was not as comfortable to type on as my w810
-NO QWERTY on a phone that desperately needs it
-it was bigger and thicker then I needed
-build quality was sub par (creaking/groaning), although generally this is not the case with nokia or n95's
-The ugliest UI i have used yet, aside from my old nokia 8801. Custimizable, sure, but still ugly and poorly transitioned
-buggy, poor ram (cannot open applications because too many open/being used?) slow and choppy
-Way tooo expensive considering an extra 200 bucks on the iphone
-GPS took too long to connect where I am, which made it far from usefull. As well, would often not be able to calculate a route.

Pretty much eveything on the iphone is superior in terms of my needs( esp. battery life). I was maybe expecting too much from the n95 before it finally arrived, but the same could have been said of my iphone. Its smoother, far less bugs, much prettier, smaller, better UI, better browser, and a qwerty type keyboard.

There is truth to what yot say, but new firmware has fixed many of those gripes. It will get better too. That said, the iphone is less stressful to use. However, i dont agree on the UI comment. The interface is very intuitive and more customizable. Not as simple and elegant, but much more powerful since it works more like finder.

Posted by: GadgetJunky5150

I have the N95 (which I dont use really). Awesome camera and thats about it. Just dont think its worth the price I paid for it and the build quality is poor. I ordered an iPhone on the 29th from Apple.com, big mistake, still waiting to recieve it. The N95 is going up for sale as soon as I get it.

Posted by: stevie-z

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Originally Posted by blue4n3

I can understand that someone who is required to run certain software, or may have very specific needs out of their phone would definately love the custimizable and easy to access nature of the symbian. yet, as an average consumer with no such needs, it does not appeal to me to a huge degree. Having said that, I would like to see a fully upfdated n95 just to compare.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by stevie-z

Steve , you do make some good points, but ill comment on a few also, the gps now takes less than 30 seconds for me to connect, and that said not to get into a war bewtween the 2 the iphone doesnt even have it.You said best browser u had used ona a mobile but not up to your standards,what are your standards, because aside from the touch screen on the iphone, it cant save pictures and rss feeds i think like the n95 can it.the ui, i will agree on the iphone is smooth and nice, but then thats it there is nothing more this is it and u live with it, to me it will get stale. The camera on the iphone isnt worth comparing so i rather not comment, but ide rather wait the 5 seconds instead of 2, for the quality of the pics you get.The iphone is actually bigger and weighs more than the n95, ys thinner but bigger and heavier.To comment on buggy maybe you just have a great working model on the iphone, because looking thru the threads and countless reviews of the safari crashing, battery life not up to par,volume problems, ipod crashing while browsing, signal problems, and lack of standard features thats a hard pill to swallow. the n95 is $100 more for various reasons, while not as pretty its just so much more powerful over all and so many more features. If you are happy with the iphone thats all that matters, im very happy with my n95 and for my needs i need more than a pretty interface to spend $600 on a device.

Posted by: cowboy1964

The N95 is nice but not $300-more-than-the-iPhone nice. I already have a dedicated GPS and camera.

In terms of volume I bet the N95 and iPhone about the same. I'll figure it out later. Anyway, the N95 should be smalller... it has a smaller screen and no QWERTY!

Posted by: mib1800

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Originally Posted by stevie-z

Had the n95 for 2 weeks. Sold it long before the iphone came out for a number of reasons;

-worst battery life ive experienced in a phone, wouldn't last an entire day of the use i needed out of it.

neither will the iphone last a day with heavy use. In other battery threads some people are only getting 7hrs uptime only with iphone. I dont think N95 can do much worse than this. On moderate use I can get 1-2 days per-charge on my N95.

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-browser, although the best of a mobile i had used, still not up to my standards

it may not be as good as iphone in aesthetics but N95 allows me to use it comfortably using one hand. iphone browser requires both your hands and your attention all at the same time.

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-the camera's great quality was useless when it took 5 minutes to snap a photo

5 mins!!!. I think no iphone basher has even come close to this extreme inaccuracies.

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-the keyboard was not as comfortable to type on as my w810
-NO QWERTY on a phone that desperately needs it

On the downside the iphone has no keyboard at all. Some can claim to type faster on iphone but the undeniable fact is typing on virtual keyboard requires your full attention. For someone who do many short smses, T9 would be better in most usage situations.

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-it was bigger and thicker then I needed
-build quality was sub par (creaking/groaning), although generally this is not the case with nokia or n95's

N95 big?

Putting side-by-side with N95, the iphone is MUCH bigger.

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-The ugliest UI i have used yet, aside from my old nokia 8801. Custimizable, sure, but still ugly and poorly transitioned

Have you seen some of the very nice themes for N95? There is even a iphone theme for N95 (for those who think iphone UI looks like heaven

) N95 ui may not have the gimmicky transition like iphone but overall the N95 UI works faster than iphone. I can do one-click shortcut keypress to immediately start writing sms/email whereas it takes quick a few taps for iphone to do the same.

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-buggy, poor ram (cannot open applications because too many open/being used?) slow and choppy

a phone is not a pc with gigabytes of RAM. Even iphone cannot multi-task apps when you use the ram heavy browser. Iphone ipod/messaging crashed when surfing etc is symtomatic of low RAM problem (similar to those experienced by N95).

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-Way tooo expensive considering an extra 200 bucks on the iphone

You are forgetting the AT&T contract lock-in will cost your more than $200 in hidden cost. With N95 you can opt for cheaper plan and you can take up another contract and buy subsidised phone later on. The iphone price is closer to an unlocked phone => so why should anyone be so myopic to want to sign a 2-year contract without any benefit/subsidy??

Even if N95 cost $200 more than iphone, it is still a competitive price as N95 specs is much better. It has 5Mp cam/vga 30fps video rec/gps which can replace your dedicated devices for most situations.

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-GPS took too long to connect where I am, which made it far from usefull. As well, would often not be able to calculate a route.

With new firmware, a-gps is added. This allows gps lock-on in much shorter time. Just think of it this way, N95 gps is very usable with tracking and maps (of the world) available for free. Get a Tom-tom + maps + gps receiver will set up back at least $200.

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Pretty much eveything on the iphone is superior in terms of my needs( esp. battery life). I was maybe expecting too much from the n95 before it finally arrived, but the same could have been said of my iphone. Its smoother, far less bugs, much prettier, smaller, better UI, better browser, and a qwerty type keyboard.

Not everyone agrees with you on this. I for one prefers the great cam/vga video rec/gps/SMALLER size of N95 over Iphone semi-crippled "only great to look at" UI/OS.

Posted by: jhollington

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Originally Posted by blue4n3

I'm looking for some honest opinions. I am still going sell the n95 to get an e90 b/c the features and it's standalone usability when i'm out of the country, but for going out at night and for a backup/pretty phone I am looking to get an iphone (not to mention im a apple fanboy and just want one). anyone who has made the switch? Any user comments that could steer me the right way My mind in not totally made up...so suggestions welcome.

You're actually doing almost exactly what I'm planning to do once I can actually use my iPhone up here in Canada.

I looked at the N95 briefly a few weeks back, but IMHO the iPhone is a far better and more intuitive device for media playback purposes, particularly if it's only going to be a secondary phone.

It doesn't hold a candle to the E90 in terms of features or business usability, but I think it will make a very nice companion unit for casual use, and many of the other N95 features aren't all that relevant if you have an E90 as your primary phone, IMHO.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by jhollington

Well if you have an e90 you certainly dont need and n95, basically same devices where e90 has the better ram and battery life, while the n95 has the 3.5mm tv in and out, and alot smaller, i also hear that the nseries has better audio then the e series. Why dont you just use the e90 for media???? Just curious

Posted by: jhollington

Actually, I was referring to the fact that I'll likely use the iPhone as a secondary device, once I can get it working. I agree that having an N95 as a secondary phone would be overkill, since the void between the N95 and iPhone is handled by the E90, which is my primary device.

However, while the E90 is probably the greatest business tool and full-featured smartphone I've ever used up to this point, I also have a couple of iPods for my real media consumption, so the E90 would at best just be to keep a few of my favourite tracks on for listening to when I'm on the go... Would probably more or less replace my iPod Shuffle for this purpose.

When I don't want the E90 with me (going out for a night on the town, for example, or just going for a walk), I presently take my RAZR V3i with me. The iPhone will likely replace the RAZR for this purpose once I can actually get a Canadian version (the version I have right now is mostly for research purposes, and it would be too expensive even to use it as a casual phone, since it's activated on AT&T).

Posted by: dayday6

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Originally Posted by stevie-z

I used the GPS in Missisauga last month and had know problems at all. It doesn't matter where you are unless there is a building blocking your view of the sky. I don't see why you say it took too long to connect, unless you had a defective N95.

200 bucks more?
I have seen the N95 for $399 on 2-year contract.
I paid $700 for mine off contract.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by jhollington

Actually, I was referring to the fact that I'll likely use the iPhone as a secondary device, once I can get it working. I agree that having an N95 as a secondary phone would be overkill, since the void between the N95 and iPhone is handled by the E90, which is my primary device.

However, while the E90 is probably the greatest business tool and full-featured smartphone I've ever used up to this point, I also have a couple of iPods for my real media consumption, so the E90 would at best just be to keep a few of my favourite tracks on for listening to when I'm on the go... Would probably more or less replace my iPod Shuffle for this purpose.

When I don't want the E90 with me (going out for a night on the town, for example, or just going for a walk), I presently take my RAZR V3i with me. The iPhone will likely replace the RAZR for this purpose once I can actually get a Canadian version (the version I have right now is mostly for research purposes, and it would be too expensive even to use it as a casual phone, since it's activated on AT&T).

Ok i got you, yes for multi media purposes, would be hard to beat the iphone, unless u just get a psp hahaha, carry the v3i ans save $400, even though i know money isnt the issue.

Posted by: kpo'm

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Originally Posted by jhollington

Sounds like a plan to me. Just be sure that the iPhone plan gives you all the data capabilities you need to run the e90 (assuming you plan to just swap SIMs between the e90 and iPhone). iPhone will take care of all your particular media needs (other than camera) better than the n95, and the e90 will handle the rest. GSM is a wonderful thing.

Posted by: cowboy1964

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Originally Posted by dayday6

200 bucks more?
I have seen the N95 for $399 on 2-year contract.
I paid $700 for mine off contract.

Where did you get for $700? And how much is an 8-GB memory card?

Posted by: tkao2025

I love reading the apple threads because it's all about why the iphone is great or why the iphone sucks....not many people seem to look objectively comparing features rather comparing subjectives of what people prefer....which is fine and interesting to read

I have to admit I played with one at the apple store this weekend. The best thing about the iphone is the UI. I loved the screen...it was beautiful. However I couldn't get use to the virtual keyboard after about 15 minutes of playing.....overall I would say that the phone looks and works great, but take out the fancy UI and really you don't have much of a modern phone when it comes to features, but that's just my opinion.

I also played with the E90, the speed was quite fast and the phone was very solidly built, camera took beautiful pics for a phone....great business device...just too big for my liking.

Posted by: dayday6

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Where did you get for $700? And how much is an 8-GB memory card?

Phone Source USA

Posted by: dayday6

http://www.phonesource-usa.com/cell...w/-1GB-Card.php

Now it is $654.
It comes with screen protector,leather case & 1GB card.
Plus all the other accesories.

Posted by: jhollington

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Originally Posted by kpo'm

Exactly, although in my case I should be fine, as I don't swap SIMs, but actually have two different phone numbers on a family plan.

I'm also a heavy iPod and iTunes user, so the iPhone is a natural fit as compared to any Nokia device for media purposes (although Nokia Media Transfer Suite for Mac is really good, it's still not 100% integration).

If the U.S. AT&T iPhone experience is any indication of what is going to happen up here, it may be difficult to get a plan that can support both types of devices. Even now, Rogers has made things confusing, and it won't surprise me if an iPhone plan is required to use the iPhone, and does not provide other types of data, or vice-versa. The Rogers "Blackberry" plans are already a confusing mess in this regard for the uninitiated.

But really, half the reason I want to leave the E90 at home if I'm going out is to avoid working, both in terms of phone calls and e-mail/SMS, so a separate phone number is a good thing in these cases.

Posted by: stevie-z

I see my post cause some anger among the n95 enthusiasts. LEt me clarify.

Although I liked the phone, all of what I said of the n95 is still true. Those that commented about my post really have no point of reference, becuase with no iphone in their hands, and onyl forum users to base their 'experience' on, they dont fit the bill of what this topic starter even asked. Buy an iphone, use it for a week and then come and see this topic. If not, do not talk to me about using an iphone 'theme', or how i needed to get the iphone on contract, because both are meanignless (no contract for me either). The phone is not just a pretty face, it is functional and intuitive. Who cares if it takes me '2 touches' to do the same thing that yuou have a shortcut for? I can remember how the rotating menu on the n95 would be slow and would be choppy for the first few seconds anyways, so who cares if it loads with one button tap. The iphone is so intuitive, and so much snappier and quick that I know that those who have complained about my post have not even used it. I can understand that some need the flexibility of symbian, which is fine, but do not tell me it is a better OS for the general people. Linux is a far more flexible platform then either windows or OSX, but you couldnt pay me to use it in place of OSX.

Iphones crash, but not often save for one or two peopel that find it neccesary to post it all over the forums. In fact, you show me a browser, mobile or not, that DOEST crash. I know 6 peopel with iphones, with the list growing, and none seem to have constant crashign problems. In fact in the two weeks i had my n95, i couldnt even count the number of times i couldnt open up an app, or it would just shut off.

oh, and if you cant use the browser one handed, I dont really understand why. I manage to do it all the time.

All I can say is before climbing down my throat because you dont agree with what Ive said, use an iphone for an extended period, and you will see why people like it so much. Its the combo of stability, ease of use, zero latency, intuitive functions and great form foctor (dont tell me its bgger, becuase once in your pocket it is half as obtrusive as an n95).

Posted by: illution

I think i saw someone said N95 is 300 bucks more than iPhone and I can only say LOL
the official MSRP is $749 which is 150 more than iPhone but no contract... obviously only people with too much money is willing to pay MSRP on unlocked phones (no offense)... just like when you're buying a car, you obviously bargain with your car dealer too right? who wanna pay MSRP for their car... that's just

i believe buy.com is selling N95 for $649 with free shipping

It's by no means 300 bucks more expensive than iPhone and I do not know WHO THE HELL spread the rumors... E90 is the one which is more expensive but again... buy.com selling E90 for $812 with free shipping which is merely 200 dollars more expensive but E90 is the the newest S60 v3 product and it's way better than N95 in terms of memory management... (did I say... no contract)

Unlocked phones are not expensive...

Posted by: pfreitas

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Originally Posted by dayday6

http://www.phonesource-usa.com/cell...w/-1GB-Card.php

Now it is $654.
It comes with screen protector,leather case & 1GB card.
Plus all the other accesories.

I love how they still advertise "very low quantity"

Phone Source has sold 15,000,000 of them so far...what do they consider low?! 5,000,000?!

Posted by: qwertasdfg24

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Originally Posted by stevie-z

I see my post cause some anger among the n95 enthusiasts. LEt me clarify....

All I can say is before climbing down my throat because you dont agree with what Ive said, use an iphone for an extended period, and you will see why people like it so much. Its the combo of stability, ease of use, zero latency, intuitive functions and great form foctor (dont tell me its bgger, becuase once in your pocket it is half as obtrusive as an n95).

I don't have neither phone, but, i'm very interested in getting 1 of the 2(N95 or iPhone)

I believe it's not nice to lie about fact(phone sizes) when stating your opinion, you can easily mislead people who are gathering information from these forum.

So far, i've read many pro and cons of both phone, and it really helps me understand what i'm getting myself into.

Please don't get upset when people catch you stating false information.

Posted by: kpo'm

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Originally Posted by qwertasdfg24

The decision will come down to what's most important to you. The n95's strongest point relative to the iPhone is the camera, which sealed the deal for me. The iPhone's strongest points are the UI and iTunes integration. Browsing is similar on both, except that the iPhone has a bigger screen and the touchscreen, which give it the edge. The n95 also has a few more "regular" phone features, such as a physical number keypad, MMS, as well as other touches such as the video out port and GPS. They are pretty similar on other media capabilities (youTube, non-DRM music) and connectivity (EGDE and Wi-Fi in the US). iPhone is a more solid device (no moving parts vs. a slider). World travelers might prefer the N95, since it is sold unlocked, and is thus compatible with local SIM cards that save on roaming chargers, and it's 3G in Europe. Stated battery life is definitely an advantage on the iPhone, although at least the n95 charges pretty quickly and it isn't nearly as bad as what the forums suggest (battery life has gotten a little better with the firmware upgrades).

It's hard to go wrong with either phone. Buy what makes sense for you and don't worry too much about what others think.

Posted by: dayday6

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Originally Posted by qwertasdfg24

Some of these iphone owners need to lie to justify their purchase. I had a w800 and the n95 is a little bigger than it. What the iphone has that is better, is the bigger screen. I think the other features it has are far behind. I will like to see the version 2 of the iphone, then I might buy it.

He said the gps didn't work where he lives, he must be using it in the basement.

I used the GPS in his location when I visited Canada last month. No problems!

Posted by: marksman1

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Originally Posted by illution

I think i saw someone said N95 is 300 bucks more than iPhone and I can only say LOL
the official MSRP is $749 which is 150 more than iPhone but no contract... obviously only people with too much money is willing to pay MSRP on unlocked phones (no offense)... just like when you're buying a car, you obviously bargain with your car dealer too right? who wanna pay MSRP for their car... that's just

i believe buy.com is selling N95 for $649 with free shipping

Unlocked phones are not expensive...

Yeah but add in the price of an additional battery so it lasts as long, and extra memory so it can store as much, and the cost is substantially higher.

Posted by: skalogre

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Originally Posted by jhollington

See, this chap understands what the iPhone is and what the E90 is. The iPhone is perfect for casual/non-work use or as a "style phone" - sorry Nokia (and Vertu

). The E90 is (to steal the GMC tag line) "professional grade." Yes it makes the iPhone look like a toy (as do most S60 phones) but the iPhone is a different sort of device. I still contend that if Jobs did not have his "it is teh b3st smartphon evah11!!!!" statement we would not see this nearly level of contention regarding the Apple device. Personally I never remember hearing from people anything to the extent of "my RAZR has better functionality than your 6630" but only "your phone is so thick!" Basically the same situation all over again.

The E90 is not for everyone. Hell, I would not buy one, the much smaller E61i I own fits my needs much better

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by marksman1

Yeah but add in the price of an additional battery so it lasts as long, and extra memory so it can store as much, and the cost is substantially higher.

microSD card 2GB is 25 bucks... (i just bought mine last week for my E61i) and i don't know about you but my roomate has been using N95 without extra battery and he can use it a full 1 day... He is just like me, we both have habits to charge phone every night so I don't know about you...
also, i barely filled my 2GB iPod Nano so the 2GB micro SD is fine... if u need extra then meh you can always buy extra memory card...
Again, I'd rather have more features than looks.

I always changed phone every 6-8 months so buying a 600 bucks phone with no feature (or at least I have to wait for firmware updates... so i heard) is just infeasible for me.. i need the feature NOW not later

different people, different needs

Posted by: skalogre

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Originally Posted by illution

different people, different needs

Music storage is a non-issue for me. If I want music I want ALL my music, which is why I have a Toshiba S60. The only times I use the 1 GB of music on my phone is if I have to run an errand on foot or something. Even with all the Doom WAD files I have on my phone I still have space for several CD of music so I am not really concerned.

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by skalogre

indeed... i barely filled my 2GB microSD (actually filled around 1.1gb)

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by kpo'm

The n95 has itunes, intergration also, you can even drag and drop on the n95

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by marksman1

Yeah but add in the price of an additional battery so it lasts as long, and extra memory so it can store as much, and the cost is substantially higher.

I would like to see a head to head comparison of the battery, because the iphone doesnt seem to fair to well either, aside from music playback.

Posted by: jhollington

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Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

The n95 has itunes, intergration also, you can even drag and drop on the n95

Actually, I was very impressed with the level of integration and thought that has gone into the Nokia Media Transfer Suite, particularly considering that it's still technically in beta.

I wrote more about it, with screenshots and all, over on our iLounge backstage section (see Nokia's response to the iPhone?). I use an E90 myself, but it applies equally to the N95.

Naturally you don't get full integration -- no support for DRM-laden iTunes Store tracks, and no support for syncing back playcounts and last played information. However, the level of integration that is there is nothing short of outstanding.

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

The n95 has itunes, intergration also, you can even drag and drop on the n95

agreed... considering it's still beta too!!!

Posted by: JerryNY

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Originally Posted by skalogre

The iPhone is perfect for casual/non-work use or as a "style phone" - sorry Nokia (and Vertu

I agree mostly with what you say but I think most people would argue that a true professional grade device would have to be something of a powerhouse email machine like a Blackberry. The N95 is a very nice phone to be sure, an all around type device with pretty decent media capabilities, which is why I guess it seems like a good comparison for the iPhone. In reality I think they are entirely different devices. The N95 is not aimed so much at the casual type users but more as an upsell to existing Nokia lovers who want more of what they love. On the flip side I think the iPhone is really designed to make people who like iPods happy and want more than a phone but not really a business tool either. If you go into an iPhone purchase expecting it to be a true business tool you will most likely be disappointed. I think the average iPod user who went into an N95 purchase would be similarly disappointed. You can't make something into something it isn't.

I can only speak from my own experiences. I am a gadget lover but I was never sold on smart phones as they are now. Treos are OK but they seemed to try to do too much and never really excelled at one thing. Palm's desktop software has always left me wanting better things as I have used their PDA's in one form of another for a very long time but I never felt like I wanted a version of that on my phone. I think the best thing that could be said about the iPhone is it gives me most of what I want as a phone/iPod/intenret device and seems to do those basic things very well. The really nice thing for me is iTunes seems to do a decent job of a one-stop-shop where I can manage my music/songs/photos/bookmarks with little more trouble than a sync. One funny thing I noticed about how easy it all was when in my rush to try my iPhone out I quickly clicked through the original activation process and started the sync without paying much attention to what I was doing . The moment the phone was done I picked it up and started playing and tried out the iPod and safari and was happy to see all my bookmarks ready to go. After a while I realized I never tried the email application and thought "damn, I forgot to set that up" but the moment I hit the icon I noticed it had already set that up for me. It was almost too easy to the point I didn't even realize it had done it all for me. The casual ease of use is what draws me to the iPhone where most smart phones have been too smart for their own good.

Posted by: aristoBrat

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Originally Posted by qwertasdfg24

I believe it's not nice to lie about fact(phone sizes) when stating your opinion, you can easily mislead people who are gathering information from these forum.

FWIW, here are the phone sizes:

Shot at 2007-07-18

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_co...rl-vs-Nokia-N95

To state the obvious, the iPhone is taller and heavier, the Nokia is thicker and lighter.

Posted by: Kevlarman

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Originally Posted by aristoBrat

FWIW, here are the phone sizes:
To state the obvious, the iPhone is taller and heavier, the Nokia is thicker and lighter.

So they sort of cancel each other out?

Posted by: JerryNY

Well the N95 is nearly twice as thick so it will bulge you pocket more whereas the iphone will be a much shallower wider one. The iPhone's is really smooth and rounded so it can slide out of even tight jeans pretty easily.

Posted by: Topy

My E90 might just be the best phone i have ever owned couldnt be more happy with it. Only thing that could be better (pretty obvious) is the size, but like i have stated on some where else if you realy need its features you should get over the size. One of the nice suprises on it was how solid it did feel. Kinda happy that i had power to resist N95 hype (here in Finland that is)

That said i'm still trying to find phone that i could carry everywhere. Iphone is pretty much perfect for what i'm looking and i have to say that it just make me wonder why example Nokia havent made anything like that exept that wierd thing... 7700.

Waiting eagerly iphone or if i cant..... http://www.nokia6500series.com/ or the best thing Nokia would introduce Aeon and it even would be good!

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dJS...mobile%2Ecom%2F

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by JerryNY

Im sure its super user friendly, but the n95 did the same thing, i popped in my sim and my internet options were set and as for email all i had to do was type in my email address and my email provider and it did that too,They are both great devices and they are both great media devices, the n95 has a great music player and video player, also has amazing graphics for gamming, so its what suits your needs.Today was a good reason why i prefer the n95 over the iphone, im Mailman and it was pouring here in newyork, i had my n95 tucked under my rain coat and with my Voice dial and blue tooth headset i made and recieved calls, never ever having to take the phone out in the rain, the iphone would be useless to me in that situation. The iphone is an amazing device and has the media backing to also confirm and support it. The n95 is really only known here on hofo or from high end phone users, but i tell you this peopel are just as in awe when i take out my phone and do the things i do with it, I have the worldmate software and the woman tells me the weather at certain times during the day, without me ever having to touch the phone, i have my bible and scripture Qoutes on there, a dictionary, my radio, my office suite, my handy safe, scanr program which allows me to take pictures of documents then upload them to there website, as either a document , whiteboard or business card and then print them out, i can upload photos or videos straight from phone to flickr or voix, if it was for just web browsing or ui i would go for iphone, but if u truly want a full user experience in all facets of the game then n95 wins hands down.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by Topy

My E90 might just be the best phone i have ever owned couldnt be more happy with it. Only thing that could be better (pretty obvious) is the size, but like i have stated on some where else if you realy need its features you should get over the size. One of the nice suprises on it was how solid it did feel. Kinda happy that i had power to resist N95 hype (here in Finland that is)

The e90, and the n95 are very similar beast, e90 wins with better battery and ram, the n95 is better music playback, better cam ,& 3.5mm jack, both have same processor, i think n95 because of the 320x 240 is easier to convert things and get things for , its more standard, and im a blue collared worker e90 is great at a desk job, but n985 is alot user friendly to me out on the street or beat., but both amazing phones.

Posted by: jontymisra

This thread has turned into an intense debating competition, even though N95 has been pitted against Iphone innumerable times, each and every spec of both the phones has been compared to its resistor size, this discussion will still probably never end until both the models become outdated.

Posted by: JerryNY

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Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

... a dictionary, my radio, my office suite, my handy safe, scanr program which allows me to take pictures of documents then upload them to there website, as either a document , whiteboard or business card and then print them out, i can upload photos or videos straight from phone to flickr or voix, if it was for just web browsing or ui i would go for iphone, but if u truly want a full user experience in all facets of the game then n95 wins hands down.

You just explained why the N95 doesn't appeal to a casual user.

Posted by: jontymisra

It's already been concluded the typical Iphone user will have.
1. No knowledge of real smartphones/not looking for a smartphone
2. Require extremely intuitive UI with no learning curve.
3. Look for a stylish phone to make calls with and listen to songs.
4. RAZR crowd

This is why N95 is not aimed at this same crowd, because N95 can do 100 times more things than just make calls, and have a built-in Mp3 player and browse the internet.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by JerryNY

You just explained why the N95 doesn't appeal to a casual user.

You are right JerryNY, the thing is i was a casual user also, till i realized, what was out there, and ill give props to the iphone, it will open the eyes of many consumers that knew no better.

Posted by: JerryNY

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Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

You are right JerryNY, the thing is i was a casual user also, till i realized, what was out there, and ill give props to the iphone, it will open the eyes of many consumers that knew no better.

Well the thing with the iPhone is Apple isn't going to leave it with a static feature set. It will be much easier for a company like Apple to add apps and capabilities to do things they think customers will want than it will be for nokia to revamp its entire user experience. Apple has been in the mobile handset business for less than 3 weeks now and even if you dismiss it as all hype, which I think would be a mistake, they have managed to make their presence felt in an all new market in an unprecedented way.

Posted by: aristoBrat

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Originally Posted by JerryNY

It will be much easier for a company like Apple to add apps and capabilities to do things they think customers will want than it will be for nokia to revamp its entire user experience.

I wonder how much (if any) of the "middle man" Apple gets to cut out of the update cycle.

Is it Apple releases an update direct to customers via iTunes, or will it be the usual "phone manufacturer releases update to carrier, who may or may not release it to the customer".

Posted by: JerryNY

I posted a new thread but this seem appropriate for here as well:

www.christianlindholm.com

The Father of the S60 GUI comments on the iPhone's interface.

Posted by: JerryNY

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Originally Posted by aristoBrat

Well all things that have to do with the phone's OS go through Apple and iTunes is the conduit. If you want to check for software updates or do a restore it all comes off of Apple owned servers.