EDGE on Iphone vs EDGE on Nokia N95

Originally Posted by JerryNY

Could be related to CPU power, OS overhead, RAM availability, efficiency of all the above etc. I did see a video comparison of EDGE browser rendering between an iPhone and a Prada phone and the Prada was like 3+ times slower or something like that. I am not saying the N95 would be that slow but just an example that the same network may give vastly different results on different devices/software:

iPhone-vs-LG-Prada--Video

Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Interesting video. I wouldn't use EDGE for web browsing nearly as much if it always was as slow as the Prada. I'm surprised sending the text message took significantly longer on the iPhone though.

Originally Posted by FlyPenFly

On the same network with the same reception, the N95 would be faster.

The iPhone is a class 10 EDGE device, the N95 is a monster Class 32 EDGE device.

Tzones is notoriously slow though.

Originally Posted by JerryNY

I thought class 12 was the top?

Originally Posted by mmmartin

I just switched from the N95 (which I Loved) to the iPhone (which I love even more). I didn't plan on it, I thought the N95 was the most advanced cell phone on the planet, so I didn't NEED the iPhone. Then I tried one and I was hooked. YES, Edge does run much faster on the iPhone. I think it handles memory management & cache much better than the N95. Surfing on the N95 was excruciatingly painful on Edge,but I rarely have problems with the iPhone - yes it is slower than Wi-Fi, and videos will load slowly, but it is easily twice as fast as the N95 every time. I do miss a lot of the N95's feature (games, video recording), but the speed & beauty of the iPhone's interface more than make up for it.

Originally Posted by pluu01

Ok. So i browse the web occasionally with my Nokia N95 (tmobile) - I consider it to be almost unbearable, but hey what are you gonna do.

I have read so many reviews about the Iphone, even though having EDGE - people are saying that the web browsing via EDGE on the Iphone is a better experience than other phones?

What gives?

Originally Posted by JerryNY

Could be related to CPU power, OS overhead, RAM availability, efficiency of all the above etc. I did see a video comparison of EDGE browser rendering between an iPhone and a Prada phone and the Prada was like 3+ times slower or something like that. I am not saying the N95 would be that slow but just an example that the same network may give vastly different results on different devices/software:

iPhone-vs-LG-Prada--Video

Originally Posted by FlyPenFly

Originally Posted by JerryNY

That wiki says "class 32 (up to 236Kbps)" so even if you are on a network which will give you all those slots why would it still be limited to 236Kbps? On a good strong EDGE connection I can usually get over that on the iPhone. I think once you are hitting the max theoretical of the network it all comes down to the CPU and how the device handles the render.

Originally Posted by aneftp

I've almost given up on browsing via EDGE with my iPhone. The speeds are so inconsistent. I tested with dslreports.com

Sometimes it's really slow (during peak daytime business hours) something like 20-50 kbit/s (and yes, this slow speed is really noticeable on the iphone's safari browser).

For the few times I've been able to get max potential out of ATT (newer/faster EDGE speeds), where I am getting between 130-175 kbit/s) the browsing experience is adequate for my needs. However, those higher speeds are few and far in between. I feel most of the time the web pages are so slow it's not even worth the trouble.

ATT needs to get more consistent higher EDGE speeds with the iPhone.

Like ATT's CEO said in an interview with USA today right before launch, he basically reasoned the EDGE was good for basic emailing and texting and left out the internet browsing part.

Originally Posted by mmmartin

I just switched from the N95 (which I Loved) to the iPhone (which I love even more). I didn't plan on it, I thought the N95 was the most advanced cell phone on the planet, so I didn't NEED the iPhone. Then I tried one and I was hooked. YES, Edge does run much faster on the iPhone. I think it handles memory management & cache much better than the N95. Surfing on the N95 was excruciatingly painful on Edge,but I rarely have problems with the iPhone - yes it is slower than Wi-Fi, and videos will load slowly, but it is easily twice as fast as the N95 every time. I do miss a lot of the N95's features (games, video recording), but almost everything on the N95 takes forever to get to, even the camera is extremely slow to use, so I didn't end up using many of the cooler features very much. GPS is so slow, especially without a keyboard & touch screen, that I never used it at all. But the speed & beauty of the iPhone's interface more than make up for the missing features. With the iPhone I can actually use every feature, especially web browsing on Edge, because of the speed in which it lets me access them & the size of the screen doesn't strain my eyes. Being able to quickly zoom in & out of web pages & navigating with a touch of the finger makes browsing a much more satisfying experience than trying to scroll around with the N95's navigation pad & it is so much easier to type in web pages with the iPhone's keyboard.

Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

Just curious how does speed make up for lost features. I mean what did you use the n95 for, ill admit the ui on iphone is awesome, but after that the n95 is just more powerful as u stated, speed dont help stereo bluetooth which i use, speed dont help full bluetooth functionality, speed dont help video recording, or having full office suite, or a dictionary, or my bible, or gps or video gaming or voice dial ect...... Please im not knocking the iphone im just baffled bye some statements. P.s. with updates for both phones, speed and userability increases, agps is on the n95 now locks in like 15-30 seconds

Originally Posted by JerryNY

Well features only matter to people who want those particular features. Everything you mentioned except for GPS can be added to the iPhone with future upgrades. I somehow get the feeling people are not so confident the N95's interface is going to be drastically improved as it is based on hardware controls which can't be changed, not that is is bad. The N95 isn't going to get a touch screen through a software update. I think people get excited over the possibilities of the iPhone, maybe some of it is misplaced maybe some isn't though. I think after a few software updates we will get a better idea of where Apple wants the iPhone to go and see if that conflicts with where their customers want it to go.

FlyPenFly, I did see my iPhone hit in the 250+ kbps range at my office almost every time I checked it a couple of weeks ago. I used a couple of iPhone specific bw testers but my office reception is unusually good, at home I usually get around 200ish but I only use EDGE now when I am out and about and find it more than adequate but it does suck up more juice than wifi. Latecncy is not great but then again so are most mobile wireless techs.

Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

Jerry i agree with u, thats why i asked what did they use the n95 for, you cant really compare the 2, they have some features that are the same but totally 2 different devices, its funny i always considered the nseries to be the macs of cellphones, because of there graphics. slide shows, pretty screens and overall ui compared to windows mobile.

Originally Posted by JerryNY

Once you get past those who just like the GUI in general I think the biggest differentiator between iPhone buyers and other advanced handsets really comes down to how high on your priority list is the iPod. I think many consumers also like the iTunes as the gateway to all that goes on the iPhone to keep it simple. If you don't care much for music or iPod functionality then the iPhone will probably not do so great in a feature by feature match-up but like I said features only really matter to people who want them.

Just out of curiosity what do N95 owners do as far as desktop software? iTunes on a Mac/PC lets you set up and keep synced all your music, videos, contacts, bookmarks etc. What is the Nokia desktop sync situation? The odd thing is I have seen tons of stuff about the Nseries but I don't recall ever even seeing or hearing about that. Just curious.

Originally Posted by mmmartin

I just switched from the N95 (which I Loved) to the iPhone (which I love even more). I didn't plan on it, I thought the N95 was the most advanced cell phone on the planet, so I didn't NEED the iPhone. Then I tried one and I was hooked. YES, Edge does run much faster on the iPhone. I think it handles memory management & cache much better than the N95. Surfing on the N95 was excruciatingly painful on Edge,but I rarely have problems with the iPhone - yes it is slower than Wi-Fi, and videos will load slowly, but it is easily twice as fast as the N95 every time. I do miss a lot of the N95's features (games, video recording), but almost everything on the N95 takes forever to get to, even the camera is extremely slow to use, so I didn't end up using many of the cooler features very much. GPS is so slow, especially without a keyboard & touch screen, that I never used it at all. But the speed & beauty of the iPhone's interface more than make up for the missing features. With the iPhone I can actually use every feature, especially web browsing on Edge, because of the speed in which it lets me access them & the size of the screen doesn't strain my eyes. Being able to quickly zoom in & out of web pages & navigating with a touch of the finger makes browsing a much more satisfying experience than trying to scroll around with the N95's navigation pad & it is so much easier to type in web pages with the iPhone's keyboard.

Originally Posted by mmmartin

Like I said before, there are features I miss from the N95, especially the video recording & the games. But as someone else stated, most of the missing features, like MMS & voice dialing, will be fixed in future updates. Also A LOT of missing features & programs have already been written for it as web apps & there are web sites like mockdock.com that actually organize all your web apps to look like the iPhone home screen so it works the same way (and yes there are several full Bibles & dictionaries out there). Also, it depends on how much you use certain features as to whether you will miss them. If you uses A2DP or video recording ALL the time, then maybe the iPhone isn't for you. I never used A2DP (I haven't seen a pair of headphones light enough) and the GPS is still slow to use because of how you have to type in the addresses & navigate without a touchscreen. Personally Google maps on the iPhone is all i need.

Like I said, the iPhone isn't for everybody & I didn't think I'd like it BECAUSE of all the missing features, but it is all around SO much faster to use than the N95 (or any other phone), that I USE 100% of it's functionality, where I probably only used about 20% of the N95 because it is just not as easy to navigate. So what's the point of having all these great features if they are not being used? It takes so long for the video camera to start working, that most of the time the "moment" has ended, same with the still camera & I LOVED playing games on the N95 (I had MAME & SNES on it), but the button layout is so poor that if I was playing a great game of Donkey Kong or Super mario, I would always accidentally hit the home button if I tried to go left & it would take me out of the game, so I'd end up playing something less intense, like Bejewelled - which I've ALREADY found a touchscreen version of for the iPhone that works great!

Also, everyone keeps talking about the class difference between the 2 phones & how much faster the update has made the N95 and all this other crap. The bottom line is that it depends on WHERE you are as to how much Edge speed you are getting on either phone. Edge is totally dependent on how much traffic is going through the nearest tower. HOWEVER, as stated before, the touchscreen Safari interface, screen size, KEYBOARD & the fact that you can blow up the text as big as you want so it will be legible just by touching the screen, make browsing on the iPhone a MUCH more enjoyable and faster experience regardless of Edge speeds - not to mention that I can actually look at several pages at once, which is impossible to do on the N95 because of all the memory errors. On the N95, I only used the internet to find out movie times & the weather because it was such a pain to use, on the iPhone I use it as a portable computer.

Originally Posted by mmmartin

I work for AT&T & I was able to get around the discount thing by making my daughter's line the main line on our family plan. We still get the discount because the "Main line" is not an iPhone.

And you are correct, the internet experience on the N95 is the best out there of any other phone I've seen, all the kudos you gave it are well deserved. UNTIL I used the iPhone. Then I just couldn't go back... it IS that good...

Originally Posted by WyattEarp

Apple made a deal with AT&T for them to increase EDGE speeds to closer reach its full potential. This gives AT&T a slight advantage over other networks depending on sigal strength. So you can't compare phone hardware that much in this case.