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Posted by: yozh

Well I finnally went to the store today and played with the IPhone (it felt like I used the phone before since I read so much about it) I was really heading towards the Kaiser and after using the IPhone for about 20 minutes I`m having secound toughts. Yes the Kaiser has the GPS and the keyboard, but it also has WM6 which is kinda slow and yes you can add 3rd party software to WM but its still slow and most of them I dont use (some of them I do) the GPS part is a really killer, but what if I get a real GPS like TOMTOM ONE XL or something like that. So here is a poll what would people get and based on that I will deside on what I will get.

(I love the part of WM that lets people cook roms and such, but IPhone was flying and 3G is not yet everywhere) Please help me choose!!!!

Posted by: player911

anything but the iPhone.

Who says WM6 is slow. I've had many many WM5 devices and Wm6 doesn't slow any of them down. If anything it speeds them up. I don't know where you read that false information but wake up.

WM6 is just an optimized version of WM5, with all the bugs worked out. It ain't like its vista or anything. The homescreen doesn't require a graphics accelerator or anything to run.

The iPhone doesn't have anything worth buying at the price they're offering for. It lacks MMS (wtf thats stupid), lacks 3rd party apps (thats stupid), and 3G (thats very stupid).

In this day and age, what phone DOESN'T allow MMS messages? I mean come on. And the lack of 3G is ridiculous. Sure the iPhone has WiFi... but how often are you gonna use that? At home? I have several mobile devices with WiFi and none of them are worth a damn unless you have access to the wifi network. At least 3G gives you broadband speeds ANYWHERE. Ain't nothing like streaming TV while stuck in traffic, or even seeing real time, up to the minute traffic reports for that matter. What about Google Maps or Windows Live. What about the ability to use GPS?

The thing is a Windows Mobile Device will allow you to make it into whatever you want. You can stream video, watch movies, surf the web, stream internet radio, locate nearby businesses.

If you just want to buy a phone then for gods sake get a phone that someone hands out for free with a 2 yr contract.

If you want a phone that can do much more... skip the iPhone.

Posted by: player911

Oh... and 3G is just about everywhere now unless you live in the boonies.

Posted by: yozh

Quote:

Originally Posted by player911

anything but the iPhone.

Who says WM6 is slow. I've had many many WM5 devices and Wm6 doesn't slow any of them down. If anything it speeds them up. I don't know where you read that false information but wake up.

WM6 is just an optimized version of WM5, with all the bugs worked out. It ain't like its vista or anything. The homescreen doesn't require a graphics accelerator or anything to run.

The iPhone doesn't have anything worth buying at the price they're offering for. It lacks MMS (wtf thats stupid), lacks 3rd party apps (thats stupid), and 3G (thats very stupid).

In this day and age, what phone DOESN'T allow MMS messages? I mean come on. And the lack of 3G is ridiculous. Sure the iPhone has WiFi... but how often are you gonna use that? At home? I have several mobile devices with WiFi and none of them are worth a damn unless you have access to the wifi network. At least 3G gives you broadband speeds ANYWHERE. Ain't nothing like streaming TV while stuck in traffic, or even seeing real time, up to the minute traffic reports for that matter. What about Google Maps or Windows Live. What about the ability to use GPS?

The thing is a Windows Mobile Device will allow you to make it into whatever you want. You can stream video, watch movies, surf the web, stream internet radio, locate nearby businesses.

If you just want to buy a phone then for gods sake get a phone that someone hands out for free with a 2 yr contract.

If you want a phone that can do much more... skip the iPhone.

well first im typing this from a WM6 8525 so i know first hand about wm6 I tried maybe 20 diffrent ROMs on the wizard and on the 8525 and it is slow and the once or twice a day SR is not a fun thing to do in the middle of an email or browsing or a phone call also 3G my friend is not available everywhere I live in the busies and most populated place in US and its so spoty and really not available at all check the 11581 zipcode and then the 11518 and the 11758 and see how 3G coverage is in Long Island. I love my WM6 devices but after seeing how fast that thing was i can stop thinking about it and being able to use more then 1 page in a browser at a time with out jumping thru hoops man thats something. Im not decided yet I hate the fact that I can custumize my own phone and cant add 3rd party apps, but really what do I use thats not already there? I never send MMS I might recive 1 or 2 from time to time but never really sent even 1 so thats not a big deal. GPS however is I use that every day. so many choises so hard to choose

Posted by: tenorsaw

Looking at your first post, it sounds like you already made up your mind to buy the iPhone, so just do it.

Posted by: avega1027

You should return your 8525, I have about 10 apps installed on my device and its still zippy w/a cooked WM6 ROM. To my understanding the 8525 has both 3G and EDGE speeds so how would the 8525 be "less" or inferior of a device in that aspect when the iphone has ONLY EDGE speed?

Posted by: Jayden0606

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Originally Posted by player911

Oh... and 3G is just about everywhere now unless you live in the boonies.

So untrue. I live in Lodi, NJ. This is part of Bergen County. I do not have 3G at all. My job in Paramus does not have 3G. I am far from the boonies... Badabing, the gentleman's club (from Sopranos) was filmed here.

To the OP.... I love my iPhone. I have an 8525 with all that and I have it on eBay waiting to be sold.

Forget GPS... I rather use my iPhone google maps after my Saturday night.

Posted by: tenorsaw

At one point, I was willing to buy the iPhone, but once I learned that I would lose my corporate discount, I left it alone. No phone is worth me paying 20% more monthly.

Posted by: eimajuno

Plus, windows mobile is open, so you can add applications without a problem. Also, with the missing sync software for mac, you can sync a windows mobile phone to a mac computer no problem. IMO, the kaiser wins and will be my next phone.

Posted by: RF9

Ask the same thing in the iPhone forum and I'll get a totally different story than this one, a forum I assume most iPhone folks have deserted.
I too used the iPhone whith what I thought was an open mind (as in if I liked it, I was ready to buy it that day.) It does what it does very well. But IMO what it does is limited.

A) If it does what you want, and you don't want what it doesn't do, then why not? It really is pretty darn cool for what (little) it does.
B) If it doesn't do what you want it to do, you'll just get frustrated and wonder why you spent $600 on it and didn't at least wait 9 months for the iPhone 2. Not that the Kaiser will be that much cheaper, I assume about $450 after rebate.

I've seen a lot of people get iPhones, marvel in it's wonderfulness, then try to figure out how to make it do more, for which it was intentionally designed to not allow you to do. It's a bit crazy and ridiculous.

The Kaiser really is the best and most powerful PDA to come by leaps and bounds over the iPhone, but that doesn't make it the better choice if what you want is what the iPhone is.

Posted by: Bob34

As much as I think the iPhone's interface (Graphical and User) is pretty cool... it can't beat the sheer horsepower and flexibility that the Kaiser will have. I wonder if it will ship with TouchFlo though...

Even if it does the Kaiser isn't multi-touch right?

Posted by: Faceless Rebel

iPhone and Kaiser are completely different devices for completely different markets. Comparing them is rather pointless IMHO.

Posted by: yozh

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenorsaw

Looking at your first post, it sounds like you already made up your mind to buy the iPhone, so just do it.

No Sir I didnt make up my mind yet. The features of Kaiser are way ahead of IPhone. (I`m a feature addict.) I`m still very much confused and undecided.

Posted by: yozh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel

iPhone and Kaiser are completely different devices for completely different markets. Comparing them is rather pointless IMHO.

Not comparing deciding on which to get.

Posted by: tenorsaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel

iPhone and Kaiser are completely different devices for completely different markets. Comparing them is rather pointless IMHO.

Not necessarily. Keep in mind at Steve Jobs' keynote, he compared the iPhone to all the current smartphones on the market. Believe me, if this was running full exchange, a lot more people would have it.

Posted by: tenorsaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by yozh

No Sir I didnt make up my mind yet. The features of Kaiser are way ahead of IPhone. (I`m a feature addict.) I`m still very much confused and undecided.

What I meant was that it sounds like you know all the shortcomings of the iPhone, but was willing to make the sacrifice. I must admit it looks pretty, but try not to fall for it until the next version.

Go listen to PC Mag's and Leo LaPorte's podcast. They both dissected it and named all it's shortcomings and strengths as well. They were two excellent reviews. As a matter of fact, Leo mentioned that's why he doesn't like to accept device donations from the manufacturer because they'll expect a good review even if it's not a good device.

Posted by: yozh

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

Ask the same thing in the iPhone forum and I'll get a totally different story than this one, a forum I assume most iPhone folks have deserted.
I too used the iPhone whith what I thought was an open mind (as in if I liked it, I was ready to buy it that day.) It does what it does very well. But IMO what it does is limited.

A) If it does what you want, and you don't want what it doesn't do, then why not? It really is pretty darn cool for what (little) it does.
B) If it doesn't do what you want it to do, you'll just get frustrated and wonder why you spent $600 on it and didn't at least wait 9 months for the iPhone 2. Not that the Kaiser will be that much cheaper, I assume about $450 after rebate.

I've seen a lot of people get iPhones, marvel in it's wonderfulness, then try to figure out how to make it do more, for which it was intentionally designed to not allow you to do. It's a bit crazy and ridiculous.

The Kaiser really is the best and most powerful PDA to come by leaps and bounds over the iPhone, but that doesn't make it the better choice if what you want is what the iPhone is.

Good points.

Yeah I was thinking of putting a link in the IPhone forum to direct people here to see what they will say.

Yes the part about being limited is a reall killer. I`m just trying to see what else that I use thats a necessary and I cant really come up with anything exept GPS.

As far as horse power well from what I remmber the IPhone CPU is 620MHz or 520Mhz so horse power on IPhone is better and it shows.

Yes at times the 8525 works very fast, but at times I just want to trow it against the wall. The resets after or durring a heavy day of use and the BT that works when it wants (software issues not HW) is a really annoying. I`m still undecided. I use exchange with my phone from work, but I can set my self up to use pop3 or IMAP. I like the exchange 2007 search function thats really cool.

Posted by: yozh

I forgot to mention I wouldnt get the 8GB as I have no need for it at all. I dont have a IPod, my music collection is not big at all and most of the time I dont listen to music on the go, just maybe in my car. I do watch movies on my devices now, like on a plane or something, and I forgot to mention the screen that 3.5 looks really big.

I was just looking at the I-Mate 7150 that should be comming out sometime this year. that one loos sweet, but no GPS still looks very good.

Posted by: yozh

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenorsaw

At one point, I was willing to buy the iPhone, but once I learned that I would lose my corporate discount, I left it alone. No phone is worth me paying 20% more monthly.

There is a way now to use your existing ATT/Cingular SIM card. I would never consider it if I was too loose my discount!!!!!!!!

Posted by: xj911

do not bring apple fanboys into this conversation...most of them tend to ignite flames if you know what I mean.

Posted by: DJ_Nitro

Sorry to say this, but If you can't decide between buying an iphone or the Kaiser, you don't know what you want.
Why? cause you wrote that you read a lot about this, I'm not going to deny it, I was very, veeeeeeery intereseted in the iphone, but that was after the presentation made by the LIAR Jobs on January, but reading a little bit about what the iphone will and will not be able to do, I started to change my mind, so I decided to wait.

After the iphone was released, had hands on it and read reviews, I slapped myself and asked What the heck I was thinking?.

Bottom line is, comparing (features) the iphone with the Kaiser it's like comparing a screwdriver with a swiss army knife.

JUST MY OPINION

PS: It would be a good idea to write down what you want and based on that, start to look for a phone (iphone) or a PPC (Kaiser)

Posted by: xj911

buy the kaiser. My simple reasoning is the Iphone is Apple's first venture into the phone market, and gen1 stuff is usually lacking in alot of areas, including 3rd party apps. The Kaiser is already running on a long established windows mobile, they've had plenty of time to work kinks out, and there is a ton of apps out there, not to mention the Kaiser does more out of the box than the Iphone. (Doesn't it have 3.5g too?)

Posted by: dabadie

I've had smartphones and now a iphone.

The iphone is great from browsing and music, easy to make phone calls also.

But I do miss the functionality of a WM device

Not that I used most of the stuff on my 8525 but It was nice to know its there
I miss MMS, Slingbox, Skype and once in awhile using it as a modem

I might be going back to the 8525. The size is great on the iphone but I don't think it justifies what's missing.

also, playing music is great on the iphone but I can throw in a mem card on my 8525 and stream it via BT
Hard to beat a 8525

Posted by: mush10

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8300/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Why are we comparing the iphone to every phone that comes out. While it certainly is a unique phone, it really does not stack up favorably with most phones feature wise. Especially something as feature packed like the Kaiser.

Posted by: robanga

The Kaiser looks like it is going to be a great device. I'm a big WM fan and still have a Blackjack that I use as a 3G modem.

I'm also a big fan of the iPhone, after having used it for about three weeks now. Go look at the various iPhone forums and you'll see both the good and the bad. IMHO its an amazing phone from the interface to the widgets that are perfectly integrated to web surfing experience with safari and the screen. Oh and they through in a 8GB iPod with video to boot.

All I am really missing is integration with exchange server in a non-imap way.

Windows mobile is excellent too, WM6 is better yet and if you like to mod your device, use custom roms, or lots of 3rd party applications, the iPhone will seem restrictive. The integration of WM with media center, Urge, Vista the Xbox 360 and the entire Microsoft ecosystem is not to be ignored. Its not as well integrated into that system as the Apple/Itunes thing, but then again its not bad at all.

I am just not someone who likes to modify their phone very much, indeed I use half the features as they are.

Posted by: jdlngsm

Why not get both? I had iPhone 1.0 but am waiting for v2.0 with baited breath as it will be killer.

I am getting the Kaiser simply because it is unbelievable in what it can do.

The only thing that sucks with WM devices though is the music syncing. I have over 1TB of music and it is a royal pain to have the playlists set up properly on a WM device.

iPhone 2.0 should have all of the holes in the shipping iPhone's OS filled and by that time, there should be 3rd party apps available. And if we're extra good, maybe even 3G?

I agree though - 2 different devices for 2 different markets.

Posted by: satxbiker

I voted for the Kaiser for the following reasons:

Things I do on my 8125 currently that I can't and really need to be able to do:

1. Read ebooks - I use mobipocket reader and microsoft reader - I love having my books with me to read when ever I want.
2. Have a real working GPS (ok 8125 does not have that now but I want one)
3. Voice Command - just ask the phone to dial numbers and it does.
4. Other cool weather software (weather geek) - uses the gps in the phone to know where I am at and will display radar and forecast based on that. (not thru IE but its own custom app)
5. Personal training software - it is available for pocket pc but not apple.
6. Sync with Outlook - MAJOR

Now I have to admit the screen on the IPhone is just awesome and I wish I could have that on a Pocket PC phone, but the iPhone just has too many limitations for me to consider it.

Posted by: Surrea|

"PS: It would be a good idea to write down what you want and based on that, start to look for a phone (iphone) or a PPC (Kaiser)"

Good call on that. Here is what a list would look like if you were aiming towards the Kaiser:

1) Touch screen -and- full keyboard. There's rarely been complaints about selecting things on a touch screen, only typing on it. Word on the street is that htc touch screen mobiles recognise handwriting too... That's just as fast as typing

2) GPS. One that works with satellites. Great for driving directions, better than nothing out in the wilderness.

3) An open'ish OS, ie WM6. Sure, some people have things they don't like about it, but hey, it has a bajillion apps made for it, there's bound to be one you'll like.

4) A2DP (ie bluetooth that doesn't suck). In 3 years I would bet that there will be at least double as many cordless headphones. Until you've tried a2dp on a cell phone you will have no idea how convient it is

5) Sync with everything. As mentioned, sync'ing with outlook makes your phone very helpful. That way when you're in the middle of an intense game of ping pong your phone can tell you that you have a meeting in 5 mins... Could save your job.

6) MMS? 3G? Unlocked? etc? These things usually wouldn't make a list, they're just things to be expected from a cell phone.

7) A phone from a company with an established track record. HTC gets great reviews from people other than 12 year old girls (see Apple).

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Things that you might see on your list if you were aiming for the Iphone:
1) Sexy. Imagine a phone that you can equip and immediately add +3 sexyness to your profile. Only works towards attracting males though :|

2) Simple. Not simple like dial the number and press call simple (takes 7 steps to make a call on a iphone). Simple like "I ride the short bus to school" simple. Simple like "I use the one button mouse that came with my mac". After Apple researched their target market they found people want things simple (they probably just had to watch mtv to figure out the simple thing). So the Iphone takes away confusing things like replaceable batteries, sim cards, mms's, and keypads. Think of it like a car with one pedal instead of 2-3. Or maybe like an elevator with one button. Because hey, life is difficult enough.

3) Fashion consious mac users. If you have 3 items which all look nice but are all different it will only look so-so. If you have 3 items which all match it will look great. If someone has a macbook and a ipod then an iphone is clearly the next accessory to buy so everything matches.

4) People who love consistency. I know some people which hate computers, vcrs, answering machines, etc, because they're all so different than what they're used to. Most people are now used to the idea that you can call people on a phone that doesn't have wires. But sending a live video of yourself to the other person on their phone? Or even a picture? That's a little much. Pictures steal your soul! The Iphone keeps things consistent with what they were in the good old days. You can call people. They can call you. You can listen to music, and browse the internet, just slowly (similar to 3 years ago). Best of all, you can get a 3 year contract, and never worry about your phone bill cost going up.

5) You just have way too much money. Lighting 100s on fire got old fast. The starving kids in Africa never visit to say thanks for your donations. Another waterfront house would just be waaay too unoriginal. When you have everything that you can buy life can be difficult. New product releases are few and far between, and you usually have to go line up for them now too.

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I'm not trying to be unreasonable here, but is there really any "features" that the iphone has that other phones do not? I constantly hear "well the iphone does everything I need it to", but never any real reasons like "I need surgical glass to eat off of because I can't afford a table". I know the iphone is thin, but it is fairly large, and I know it has a very large screen relatively speaking. Are there any other features that are unique to it?

Posted by: yozh

WOW look at this

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6595.html

TouchFlo so maybe thats it I think Kaiser is winning this debate!!!!

Posted by: yozh

Yeah everyone is voting on the Kaiser. I think I`ll hang out till it comes out. IPhone is a nice toy but a toy at that. Kaiser seem to be what I really need. Just wish the screen was a bit bigger. Sure like that IPhone screen

Posted by: scaredpoet

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenorsaw

At one point, I was willing to buy the iPhone, but once I learned that I would lose my corporate discount, I left it alone. No phone is worth me paying 20% more monthly.

That's somewhat faulty thinking considering that the HTC Kaiser will require a $40 data plan for unlimited usage, while the iPhone data plan is $20.

I did the math and determined that I save $18 on my 18% corporate discount, but was paying the $40 for PDA unlimited. With the iPhone I lose the discount but am saving $20 every month.

Posted by: xj911

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaredpoet

depends on the plan he's on...if he's on a $150 family plan than that 20% is nice.

Posted by: yozh

or you can use the media max on the kaiser and pay same 20$ and keep the discount

Posted by: avega1027

Quote:

Originally Posted by yozh

or you can use the media max on the kaiser and pay same 20$ and keep the discount

Exactly. I have the mediaMax on my 8525 so I pay 19.99 vs 39.99.

Posted by: sensei

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/...he-htc-tytn-ii/

I CAN'T WAIT.

Posted by: tenorsaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaredpoet

You and I both have been on these boards long enough to know we (or I) wouldn't get a PDA plan (not willingly, at least).

Posted by: rjisfubar

hey wait everybody is just saying normal 3g. it says here that it will have hsupa. which is even going to put it steps higher than the Iphone.

And to get my 2 cents in. the iphone just gets plain boring. i played with one all weekend and it was just way to locked up for me. like my SYNC is more unlocked than that thing that apple has

Posted by: RF9

Yes, the Kaiser has HSUPA (faster upload) and it also has HSDPA 3.6 according to one spec I read, which is double the download speed potential of the 8525 (HSDPA 1.8)
Of course this depends on the network being upgraded to 3.8 which as far as I know only some markets have been upgraded.

The HSUPA is really to support video upload for video conferencing or video share (video share in AT&T's case.)

The only feature I can think of that's not upgraded on the kaiser is the bluetooth and wifi, which were already up to date on the 8525 (not as if we need 802.11n on a phone yet.)

Posted by: mrbighead

I'm an HTC'er for life. Sorry Apple, I'll still use your ipods haha

Posted by: LocoStrange

Whats the point of deciding between the two. iPhone is basically a high tech phone. Kaiser is a PDA

Posted by: Bigbmc26

Quote:

Originally Posted by LocoStrange

Whats the point of deciding between the two. iPhone is basically a high tech phone. Kaiser is a PDA

Becuase the iPhone is considered a PDA, even though it doesn't do normal PDA functions like corp email, word, powerpoint, and excel. It should really be considered a regular phone with a touch screen and some interesting features, but nothing worth for $500/600.

Posted by: yozh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigbmc26

Well it can do corp email via POP or IMAP it can view word or excel docs. Web browsing is done and it has a calendar and Address book so it is a PDA. Just PDA are not the main fuctions of it I guess its more of an nicer IPod then a real PDA per say.

Posted by: Jayden0606

I just think these polls suck. iPhone is a more phone then PDA. That is the reason it costs 20$ for the plan. Also I wouldn't even compare it to phones. It is more media centric then it is a phone. The iPhone is in its own world, not saying a better world, but one that's different from Kaisers and Razrs. I love my device and it does everything I use it for. I never was a media person (iPods and stuff) until the iPhone. I was a nymph for phones as I would get bored easily. No phone satisfied me like the iPhone is doing. If you like a browser that is close to your experience on the PC (although on EDGE,) media (music, videos, movies & more,) Maps, Weather, YouTube, visual voicemail, phone & the occasional email; this device can be for you.

Bottom line is to go into the store and play with it. If you dislike, then wait for the Kaiser. If you like it and meets your needs/wants in a device, get it.

Posted by: Bigbmc26

Quote:

Originally Posted by yozh

Most corps use Outlook or Lotus Notes, not POP or IMAP. You can't edit word and excel. Not a PDA, just an over priced toy.

Posted by: DJ_Nitro

In certain way I would agree with the PDA term, cause, It has some features to help you as an assistant, but it should be called PDA for starters, noobs or music guys

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I mean, no offense but compare it with a Pocket PC (Kaiser, Hermes, Wizard, etc. etc) NO WAY.

As a matter of fact compare it to the Kaiser should be considered a crime.

I don't want to be extremist but write down features and you'll see what I mean.

Posted by: mrbighead

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbighead

I'm an HTC'er for life. Sorry Apple, I'll still use your ipods haha

That's right I'm quoting myself haha

I just got my iPhone and I'm definately loving the interface, how smooth it is and the iPhone in it's entirety.

Shame on me for knocking the iPhone before even using it, Apple Rocks haha

Posted by: RF9

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbighead

Yeah, but you still have to touch the screen to do anything.

Posted by: Elfreshcuh

HTC RULES

i dislike my iPHONE

Posted by: yozh

hehe I like it

Posted by: mrbighead

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF9

Yeah, but you still have to touch the screen to do anything.

Yeah, but even when i had the tytn, i always wanted to use the touch screen haha

Posted by: dieselpi

i dont think you can fairly compare the two
since no one has used a kaiser
ill let you know tomorrow what i think of it

Posted by: i880/8525junkie

From what I'm seeing..I've got the most Kaiser apps and software installed on my 8525 and it's a blazing engine.A Couple of us over @ XDA looked@the motherboard...it turns out the Qualcomm chip is in fact a dual core! thatrenders processor speed nearly obsolete. @ 400mhz it's fine considering the processor...throw in tight HTC integration of apps,GPS, MUCH more RAM and ROM, a video call camera, a 3MP Camera, HSUPA, touchflo and the tilt screen...and I'm salivating @ the mouth for the Kaiser. If I want to look cool on weekends...I'll get my self a gold KRZR or something...but the IPhone does not impress me at all...I can do everything it can do and more

Posted by: DVS_WiNdz

definitely the Kaiser over the iphone. I just ordered my kaiser yesterday.

Posted by: trjons

I picked up an iPhone last night and hacked the activation in about 20 minutes so that my 8525 SIM works in the iPhone.

Its a snappy interface. The lack of a keyboard hurts it though. It also lacks exchange support which I am just getting used to with my 8525 and 750.

I'm not sure I'm going to keep this iPhone though...I'll play with it this weekend and decide if its going back to the store or being put on eBay.

I'm more inclined to buy the Trinity than the Kaiser, only because the Tilting screen isn't a lure to me as much as the GPS is.