Microsoft's answer to iPhone

Originally Posted by Kar98

Everything the iPhone does, and then much more.

Originally Posted by VCI_Cell

... with a fraction of the attractiveness, and none of the "wow" factor! A real deal!

Originally Posted by VCI_Cell

I'm with you. You have good points there. But the iPhone wasn't made to be a do-all device to compete with PocketPCs. It was made to be pretty and revolutionary with respect to the user interface experience.

I'll have to catch up on my iPhone rumors ... what's this WiFi limitation?

Originally Posted by Kar98

Wi-Fi Service is limited - "To ensure that the Wi-Fi Service is not being used fraudulently, AT&T limits your usage of the Wi-Fi Service to 150 uses per month"

Originally Posted by Kar98

Wi-Fi Service is limited - "To ensure that the Wi-Fi Service is not being used fraudulently, AT&T limits your usage of the Wi-Fi Service to 150 uses per month"

Originally Posted by Kar98

Wi-Fi Service is limited - "To ensure that the Wi-Fi Service is not being used fraudulently, AT&T limits your usage of the Wi-Fi Service to 150 uses per month"

Originally Posted by Kar98

Everything the iPhone does, and then much more.

Originally Posted by LJblock2265

The usage factor aside I think this is more disturbing. Quoted from the AT& Website terms & conditions. "If you do not use the AT&T Communication Manager software to connect to an AT&T network for 90 consecutive days, or if your license to use the software is otherwise terminated, you will not be able to access the Wi-Fi Service."
So if you don't use it you lose it.

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Yeah, assuming you only do one thing at a time and dont mind the out of memory errors whenever you open a ne program,

Originally Posted by XanderMac

I see, to make the device useable you had to edit the ROM? Thats quite a procedure that I'm sure all users will undertake. Apple made the iPhone useable for all out of the box.

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Technically he was right about the 150 connection, but that's only for AT&T's hotspot service.

Originally Posted by harlenm

Computer geeks have girlfriends?

Originally Posted by XanderMac

dont get me wrong, safari on the iPhone is buggy, but I keep it in the iPhone forum! I can't say that about windows mobile users. They seem to come here just to point out how much better their phones are. It may be true, it may not, but i have no problem pointing out the obvious flaws in their phones if they do come a knocking, no phone is perfect.

Originally Posted by VCI_Cell

... with a fraction of the attractiveness, and none of the "wow" factor! A real deal!

Originally Posted by Kar98

You know, I like my Mac mini and my iPod nano very much. But at least they offer all the functions I expect from them. "Attractiveness" still has to take the back seat over functionality though. And I'm sorry, a $500 phone that does less _essential_ functionality than its $250 competition, sorry, that would be the "meh" factor.

Synchronize notes to desktop PC
GPS navigation
Usable with any GSM carrier, word-wide
Wi-Fi that can be turned on as many times as I want, not "150x month only, to prevent abuse".
Yes, a stylus and a keyboard.
MMS
Operation with one hand, nay just one thumb.
...and any number of third party apps.

Advantage iPhone: visual voice mail, and auto-rotating screen. Other than that?

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Yeah, assuming you only do one thing at a time and dont mind the out of memory errors whenever you open a ne program, or the painfully slow ui! Due to the 200mhz processor. Let me ask you, did you fix the reboot loop that microsoft and t-mobile can't seem to? How about the homescreen the reverts back to its default state when it reboots? No? Oh well! How about the 12mb of available ram, did you fix that? No, you can't add more ram or processor speed can you its a shame. I'll give you this much though, the browsing experience is spectacular, the media player 10 is fantastic and that hokey youtube hack integration is second to none! I feel your pain man, ive been there with WM6 myself, you're just struggling along while my iPhone whizzes by you at warp speed. I guess that's why you're trolling the iPhone forum trying to justify your purchase. That's an HTC device btw, not microsofts answer to the iPhone.

Originally Posted by Kar98

PS: forgot who it was who crowed something along the lines "OMG 150 uses of Wi-Fi, you're so full of it, you lost all credibility!" Idiot. Civilized conversation goes like this:

Me: only 150 uses of Wi-Fi per month, btw
You: That's just for AT&T's own Wi-Fi service
Me: Oh OK, didn't know that. Thanks for telling me that.

'k?

Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

wait is there some kind of restriction on the iphone that you cant use wifi more than 150 times per month? i never heard about that.

Originally Posted by hard_core

civilized discourse does nothing to add substance to your weirdo claims

safari on iphone = meh? gtfo. it's clear you've never touched an iphone if you think it can be compared to pocket IE

Originally Posted by dkb218

I like my Pocket PCs'. I like the iPhone also. I just have no use for a device that's part iPod. I will never put music on my PPC's. I use a Zen for that. Also, for the price of this {I'd admit} rather pretty device, I'd want the thing unlocked to do with it as I see fit. I can't see paying all those duckettes for someone to tell me what I can and can't do with my phone - I mean you do own the phone once you buy it, right? It's like buying a 'Vette and being told you can't go over 35MPH with it!!! WTF - open that sucker up and lets see what she can do!

Also, I'd rather stab myself in than eye than join AT&T... I was just reading the iPhone Terms and Conditions and this has to be the must restrictive phone provider on the planet!!!

Data Service sessions may be conducted only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) corporate intranet access (including access to corporate email, customer relationship management, sales force automation, and field service automation applications). PROHIBITED USES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, USING SERVICES: (I) WITH SERVER DEVICES OR WITH HOST COMPUTER APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WEB CAMERA POSTS OR BROADCASTS, CONTINUOUS JPEG FILE TRANSFERS, AUTOMATIC DATA FEEDS, TELEMETRY APPLICATIONS, PEER-TO-PEER (P2P) FILE SHARING, AUTOMATED FUNCTIONS OR ANY OTHER MACHINE-TO-MACHINE APPLICATIONS; (II) AS SUBSTITUTE OR BACKUP FOR PRIVATE LINES OR DEDICATED DATA CONNECTIONS; (III) FOR VOICE OVER IP; (IV) IN CONJUNCTION WITH WWAN OR OTHER APPLICATIONS OR DEVICES WHICH AGGREGATE USAGE FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES PRIOR TO TRANSMISSION; (V) USING THE SERVICES FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF OTHER PEOPLE OR SYSTEMS TO USE EITHER THE SERVICES OR OTHER PARTIES' INTERNET-BASED RESOURCES INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF NETWORK OR SYSTEM RESOURCES (WHETHER INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL) AND "DENIAL OF SERVICE" (DOS) ATTACKS AGAINST ANOTHER NETWORK HOST OR INDIVIDUAL USER; OR (VI) INTERFERENCE WITH OR DISRUPTION OF OTHER NETWORK USERS, NETWORK SERVICES OR NETWORK EQUIPMENT. EXCEPT FOR CONTENT FORMATTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH AT&T'S CONTENT STANDARDS, UNLIMITED PLANS CANNOT BE USED FOR UPLOADING, DOWNLOADING OR STREAMING OF VIDEO CONTENT (E.G. MOVIES, TV), MUSIC OR GAMES. FURTHERMORE, UNLIMITED PLANS (EXCEPT FOR DATACONNECT AND BLACKBERRY TETHERED) CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY APPLICATIONS THAT TETHER THE DEVICE (THROUGH USE OF, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, CONNECTION KITS, OTHER PHONE/PDA-TO-COMPUTER ACCESSORIES, BLUETOOTH® OR ANY OTHER WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY) TO LAPTOPS, PCS, OR OTHER EQUIPMENT FOR ANY PURPOSE.

Originally Posted by hard_core

don't be hysterical, all that fine print is meaningless

Originally Posted by dkb218

hysterical? WTF you talking about? All that fine print stops you from doing with the phone whatever you wanna do with the phone. Wait, you must work for AT&T.

Customer: What's all this fine print?
Hard-Core: Oh, it's meaningless. We had extra letters laying around and you know the old saying "waste not, want not."

It's like AT&T thinks people are paying for the privilege of using the most dropped call network in the USA.