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Posted by: Heinrich

I played with an iPhone yesterday in an Apple store and I loved it

I have absolutely 0 interest in the bloatware CRAP known as "iTunes" - can I still move mp3s and / or videos to an iPhone without iTunes bloatware CRAP?

thanks

Posted by: chawknz

Can't really say I agree with you. I've been using iTunes since it came out and I really do love it.

Sure it has its quirks, but when using an iPod and now the iPhone, I can't think of anything else that I'd enjoy using more. I've tried MediaMonkey, Foobar, and Songbird. None of which come close (in my eyes) to the features and usability as iTunes.

Im sure there's third party apps out there that will let you manually copy files over, but I am not sure if any third party apps let you do any sort of sync with your mail client and bookmarks. You'll probably be limiting yourself by not using iTunes.

Honestly, it's not going to kill you to use it for simple tasks like syncing.

Posted by: tigres013

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Originally Posted by Heinrich

I played with an iPhone yesterday in an Apple store and I loved it

I have absolutely 0 interest in the bloatware CRAP known as "iTunes" - can I still move mp3s and / or videos to an iPhone without iTunes bloatware CRAP?

thanks

Pardon my ingnorance but what is bloatware?

Posted by: xcharliemx

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Originally Posted by tigres013

Pardon my ingnorance but what is bloatware?

It's a disparaging remark about software meaning they use a lot of resources and they're big. Software does not like it when you use this racial epithet around them.

Posted by: flash31

I'm not a fan of iTunes either. I prefer to use Windows Media Player.

However, I for just syncing, there's really nothing better than iTunes. You'll adapt.

Posted by: Heinrich

Will BloatTunes fartware sync my CDs, MP3s and regular avis and such or just pester me about making an account on the iTunes site, send me junk emails and pester me about spending money on the site?

Posted by: deanfx

I wonder if the op uses winblows media player? heh

Posted by: Heinrich

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Originally Posted by DeanFX4u

I wonder if the op uses winblows media player? heh

You SO one-upped me that I am mortally embarrassed.

Meanwhile, I like the iPhone, can I live with it WITHOUT iBloatTunes fartware or could I manage with the iPhone and ANYTHING else such as Nero, WinDVD, Widnows Media, Real

I'll take ANYTHING other than iTunes Crapware Fartware being a requirement to get me critical data!

Posted by: Heinrich

*gasp* Did I just say something against America? Is homeland security going to be knocking on my door tomorrow??

Posted by: Etch

I agree 100% about itunes. Yes, I'm a pc user, but no, I dont use windows media player for anything other then playing videos.

I prefer to keep things simple. For everyday audio stuff, I keep all my albums in the 'my music' folder, complete with album art for folders. I use a stripped down copy of winamp to play them. When it comes to moving them around, such as loading up a flash card for the car (honda civc nav units have a card reader for this purpose), I like to just drag and drop. Want to change some stuff up on em? simply delete the unwanted off the card and drag new ones on. Nice and simple.

Now with Itunes...I've never been a fan of the software as it is, but just due to personal preference and not because anything is horribly wrong with it or anything. When it comes to the iPhone + iTunes though....it drives me up the freekin wall. I HATE that whole sync process and the whole all or nothing routine. Why do I have to select EVERYTHING I want on the iphone and re-upload it EVERY time I just want to add one or 2 things? That to me is really retarded. I wish they would save the sync for contacts and setting backup, and come up with a way to simply drag/cut+paste/etc media on and off the phone.

The whole iTunes thing is 1 of 2 big reasons I dont think I will keep my iPhone around. Otherwise, like mentioned, the phone itself is pretty awesome.

Posted by: flyingdutchman

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Originally Posted by Heinrich

You SO one-upped me that I am mortally embarrassed.

Just to clarify. Nero, WinDVD, WMP, and Real are easily as bloated if not more so than iTunes. WinDVD and Real border on spyware, Nero long ago got too bloated to be any good and WMP never was good.

Second, it may be a good idea to try asking something nicely instead of going off about how much you hate iTunes. Also, iTunes will not ever bug you to buy stuff and Apple does not use your email to spam unless you opt in for the email offers. They will ask you to make an account if you want to get album art and that requires a cc#, but it is not like they are going to charge you if you don't buy something.

Now for your question. In short no. The first problem is that the iPhone will not play avi's AFAIK. And as far as syncing goes, I do not believe any of the hacks have covered that yet, although I could be wrong since I have not hacked my phone.

In short, if you can't deal with iTunes, the iPhone is not for you. You will never be able to deal with Apple's way of doing things and you will always have headaches.

Posted by: breaksraver13

1st- No BloatTunes(as you say), No iPhone.....Simple as that..........Apple has never pestered me to buy stuff on iTunes or spammed my e-mail (and I actually DID agree to receiving e-mail's and hardly get any)

2nd- Try using some proper etiquette when asking questions (it will get you a lot farther)

Posted by: deanfx

lol i was halfway joking about the op using winblows media player...i mean if you want to talk winamp, then thats a different story.

[edit, finally 1700 post's]

Posted by: cowboy1964

I don't quite get why iTunes is so despised by some. It's easy to use and I've never had a problem with it.

Posted by: deanfx

because it is the only option, to me itunes gives you flexibility no other media player Ever has...the amount of organization you can achieve is amazing. And maybe thats why some people despise itunes.

Posted by: DuffLvr

you sound like a 10 year old kid taking random 'bad words' and saying so many of them together that they make no sense.

but good news! the iPhone works perfectly fine without BloatTunes, try iTunes. It's great.

Posted by: vandan

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Originally Posted by Etch

I HATE that whole sync process and the whole all or nothing routine. Why do I have to select EVERYTHING I want on the iphone and re-upload it EVERY time I just want to add one or 2 things? That to me is really retarded.

This is not how the sync process works on my iPhone. It will only upload the new files. I use a Mac, so perhaps pc's are different, but I'd be surprised.

Posted by: Etch

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Originally Posted by vandan

This is not how the sync process works on my iPhone. It will only upload the new files. I use a Mac, so perhaps pc's are different, but I'd be surprised.

well, actually I havent payed close enough attention to see if it's actually re-uploading existing stuff...probably not now that I think about it. One thing is for sure though, everything that you want on the iphone has to be selected every time you sync or else it gets erased off the iphone. Like say I want to add 1 album to 30 existing. I just cant set that one album up for sync, I have to set up 31. If I do only set the sync up for that one album, that's all i'm gunna have on the phone and the other 30 will be removed. I dont like that.

Posted by: vandan

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Originally Posted by Etch

It doesn't retain the selected playlists you checked off under the Music tab from the previous sync?

If I have 50 playlists and I check off 12 of them under the Music tab it will sync those 12. Then if I want to add another 3 the next time I sync, it still has the 12 checked off from before. I just need to check off the additional 3 I want to add. If I had to check off all the playlists every time I synced, I wouldn't like iTunes either.

Posted by: manchuia

A bit too lazy to hunt out this link, but I thought there was already a hack to do file viewing on the iphone? Couldn't you just use this for drag and drop?

The previous post about almost all media players being bloatware is correct. The attitude that the "established" media player has become bloatware is childish and immature. Firefox, for example, has become a resource hog in recent years but users still tout it as the slim effective version of IE. I will have to say, though, Firefox is 140 times more innovative / configurable than IE.

Posted by: soulweaponry

Why do so many people have issues with iTunes? I love it. Does everything I want it to. Seems like you all are so hung up on the iTunes only rule that you start hating it for that sole reason and overlook the good qualities of iTunes. Maybe I'm wrong though. I don't know

Posted by: zephxiii

I hate itunes, i don't want itunes to manage anything. I hate quicktime too, and its stupid tray icon (always removed by yours truely).

The problem is, a lot of us don't need or want itunes, its just another program i'd rather not have to use, or have on my machine for that matter. The iphone and ipods for that matter should be able to have mp3s dragged to it just like any other storage device.

I use foobar2000, for the kernal streaming and upconversion to my 24bit dac havin soundcard *****es!

EDIT: oh yea, i'd like to beat the crap out of whoever's idea it was to activate the iphone via itunes, wtf!

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by Heinrich

Will BloatTunes fartware sync my CDs, MP3s and regular avis and such or just pester me about making an account on the iTunes site, send me junk emails and pester me about spending money on the site?

It's called UNCHECKING the box where it says they will send promotions.
I always do this on every website i register in... never gotten any spam so far

Posted by: robanga

iTunes is eons beyond other music stores in my opinion and I tried a lot of them over the last year including; Urge, Yahoo, Rhapsody and Napster. Experiences with those stores runs from just ok to absolutely hideous. iTunes is part of the whole experience and as far as it being bloatware, I don't really see it. I run it on three systems with different configurations and it runs great.

Posted by: krs71

Itunes sucks as the phone/pda tool, Apple needs to take a look at palm desktop and give the users the flexibility to sync both ways.

Posted by: zephxiii

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Originally Posted by robanga

iTunes is eons beyond other music stores in my opinion and I tried a lot of them over the last year including; Urge, Yahoo, Rhapsody and Napster. Experiences with those stores runs from just ok to absolutely hideous. iTunes is part of the whole experience and as far as it being bloatware, I don't really see it. I run it on three systems with different configurations and it runs great.

I agree the itunes store is pretty nice, but i like to get my music imported from russia

PS: I was sure shocked when i bumped into my parent's band's album on itunes

Posted by: RNF1968

There's a reason iTunes is number 3 on on list of top music retailers. There's a reason they sold over a BILLION songs. iTunes is a simple, easy to use music manager. I never thought I would like it as much as I do. I used to like doing everything manual but when you have thousands of songs in your library, you will appreciate iTunes. Couldnt live without it. It is far from BLOATWARE/FARTWARE. It is a necessity. Not to mention they have the most extensive content on the planet.

Posted by: Heinrich

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Originally Posted by RNF1968

There's a reason iTunes is number 3 on on list of top music retailers. There's a reason they sold over a BILLION songs. iTunes is a simple, easy to use music manager. I never thought I would like it as much as I do. I used to like doing everything manual but when you have thousands of songs in your library, you will appreciate iTunes. Couldnt live without it. It is far from BLOATWARE/FARTWARE. It is a necessity. Not to mention they have the most extensive content on the planet.

a billion songs? What I see is a lot of corporate-controlled music and very little experimental "on the edge" "push the envelope" music. I personally have 0 use for iTunes diarrheaware whatsoever. If you like it, fine, I would never take away your right to use it. But for Apple, a company that tries to market itself as "hip" and "original" to try to force iTunes on me by crippling the iPhone without it shows me their true intention - to steal part of my desktop landscape and experience, which works quite well without iTunes diarrheaware.

By the way, how much does Apple viral marketing pay these days to promote Apple through individual accounts and posts on forums that don't truly conceal that the posts are actually paid opinions? I'm sure at least one of you could tell me

Posted by: flyingdutchman

Do you really have to talk like that? Please grow up.

Posted by: soulweaponry

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Originally Posted by Heinrich

Grow up
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Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by Heinrich

I am not paid by Apple but surely I am a smart and informed user because when I sign up for iTunes, I unchecked the option so that they do not send any emails to me. I always do this on every website or everything i sign up to.

yawn

Posted by: soulweaponry

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Originally Posted by illution

Those are the apple dollars talking. How much did they pay you and how can i be apple's bi** too? J/k. I'm already apple's bi**

Why did you yawn at the end? Looks very suspicious...

Posted by: RNF1968

You have much hatred for Apple. I'm surprised you bought any Apple product. Where do you come up with these idiotic adjectives?

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by soulweaponry

Those are the apple dollars talking. How much did they pay you and how can i be apple's bi** too? J/k. I'm already apple's bi**

Why did you yawn at the end? Looks very suspicious...

I yawned at the end because it's 10pm on Sunday and I actually replied to this type of post +__+

By the way, if apple wants to hire me, i'll be more than willing to accept the job