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Lost FAN discount + Free unlock = Screwed AT&T Customers
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Posted by: truaztlan

I don’t know how everyone else feels, but I'm pretty pissed right now. AT&T forced us to remove our FAN discounts for the privilege of owning an iPhone. I sucked it up and purchased an iPhone thus loosing my discount. Now because of the free unlock you can go to T-Mobile who has much more competitive voice plans. All in all I guess I just feel that us early adopters got really screwed. How does everyone else feel? I think AT&T should give us (loyal customers) back our discounts.

Posted by: DragonFlyGirl

You paid your money, you took your chances.

This is akin to the people who bought the iPhone on day 1, then when the price was dropped two months later, they felt "screwed" and wanted the difference back.

Either is ridiculous.

Posted by: inspector

I did not get the iphone because of the conditions - loose fan + loose mew1 + sign up for a data plan.

However, I do feel your pain. Can you cancel your account and sign up again? can you tell them you lost your iphone and now want to go back to the original account?

Posted by: XanderMac

its not really their problem when you knew what you were signing up for. Everyone knew it would be unlocked eventually, now the question is will it stay unlocked! I'll keep my AT&T service for a couple of months before I jump ship back to t-mobile (good thing I kept my t-mobile service active).

Posted by: vietalogy

you choosed to lose your FAN account by activating a iphone. if you have read some of the threads here you can bypass the activation like i did you wouldnt loose your FAN account.

Posted by: DragonFlyGirl

It'll stay unlocked. Even if Apple does something to re-lock it, the community will circumvent that as well.

Anything that can be locked, can be unlocked. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: vietalogy

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyGirl

It'll stay unlocked. Even if Apple does something to re-lock it, the community will circumvent that as well.

Anything that can be locked, can be unlocked. It's as simple as that.

yup if they were to come out with a update where it locks it back up im sure some hacker out there will be able to unlock it again. just wished i was able to do it.

Posted by: Mrbilly

FYI apple is now saying that it will now begin to re-lock iPhones when you update your phone.

Posted by: Ron21

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Originally Posted by Mrbilly

FYI apple is now saying that it will now begin to re-lock iPhones when you update your phone.

But the updates are not mandatory, they are optional. Plus like others have said if they do re-lock it someone will figure out a way to unlock it again.

Posted by: illution

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Originally Posted by Mrbilly

FYI apple is now saying that it will now begin to re-lock iPhones when you update your phone.

Just like Sony with their Playstation Portable...
Look what the ungerground community has become??
Custom firmware

that can emulate playing free downloaded PSone games

Posted by: vietalogy

then people wont upgrade until theres a unlock.

Posted by: inspector

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Originally Posted by Mrbilly

FYI apple is now saying that it will now begin to re-lock iPhones when you update your phone.

where are they saying that? I havn't heard anything about it .

Posted by: DevinB

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Originally Posted by inspector

where are they saying that? I havn't heard anything about it .

Me neither. What's your source?

Posted by: flyingdutchman

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Originally Posted by inspector

where are they saying that? I havn't heard anything about it .

I believe he is referring to when Apple clarified their stance on 3rd party development say that future updates would most likely break 3rd party apps. They never mentioned anything about the unlock.

Posted by: DragonFlyGirl

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Originally Posted by Mrbilly

FYI apple is now saying that it will now begin to re-lock iPhones when you update your phone.

Where did Apple state this?

I call...

Posted by: inspector

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyGirl

Where did Apple state this?

I call...

I second that call

Posted by: campas21

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyGirl

Where did Apple state this?

I call...

instead of spending 24-7 here *****ing ppl out, you should check out other sites?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/12/...-3rd-party-iph/

although they don't say it, they're implying a total restore....which is what i go through each time i update the iphone.

Posted by: jeslevine

sorry but AT&T made it very clear if you went to their store and bought it. No one forced you to buy the iphone. In addition, you had 14 days to return the phone

Posted by: DevinB

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Originally Posted by campas21

Thank you for the link. This thread is the first I'd heard of their backtrack, and after a few people blatantly telling lies just for a reaction I am leery of a few things.

Posted by: jvanbrecht

I doubt apple will go out of their way to undo all that has been done, however, that same thinking, they will not go out of their way to make sure that when they release updates that it will mess with third party development, that is all the statement means. How often does the baseband get updated, unless there is a need, it probably won't (Of course pressure from ATT could change this, but you never know)

Posted by: cowboy1964

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Originally Posted by campas21

That article (and what about said) relates to APPS, not the unlock. They are NOT the same. My gut feeling though is that updates will indeed re-lock the phone. I'll be annoyed if they also break APP compatibility but the apps will quickly be updated.

Posted by: campas21

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

take iit for what you will.

personally i take it as the same. why?
my phone used the bypass activation method (along with youtube/yahoo hack). neither is considered and "app"- and using your theory, when i updated to 1.02, it should've been fine. it wasn't.

i had to re-install all hacks.

Posted by: DragonFlyGirl

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Originally Posted by campas21

They "implied". Apple legal counsel probably told them to say that so AT&T couldn't complain and claim any type of breach of contract. It doesn't mean Apple WILL do anything, or even that they MIGHT. It simply states that future compatability isn't guaranteed. No need to claim the sky is falling when in fact it's not even cloudy.

Posted by: mrtrance

Can someone please explain how Apple would go about locking your phone again if you unlock it and are using a T-mobile sim card? You aren't using AT&T service to begin with. They can't just send a signal to your phone to lock it again. Are you guys talking about when you do an update of the firmware that's when they can send out a code to lock it? I mean if you don't update your phone there should be no way they can lock your phone correct? You pretty much need to the update on your end for them to like be able to lock your phone again. Is that pretty much correct???

Posted by: Ron21

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Originally Posted by mrtrance

Can someone please explain how Apple would go about locking your phone again if you unlock it and are using a T-mobile sim card? You aren't using AT&T service to begin with. They can't just send a signal to your phone to lock it again. Are you guys talking about when you do an update of the firmware that's when they can send out a code to lock it? I mean if you don't update your phone there should be no way they can lock your phone correct? You pretty much need to the update on your end for them to like be able to lock your phone again. Is that pretty much correct???

Yes thats correct. The only way from them to relock the phone is if you update it through itunes.

Posted by: campas21

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyGirl

i never claimed the sky is falling. i said take it for what you will. (actually i said 'iit' due to a typo). i think that future updates will re-lock, which will mean waiting for another update to re-unlock, or simply forgoing the unlock. i think you're the one that needs to stop acting as if every post in these forums means the sky is falling thus eliciting a catty response.

for someone who doesn't even have an iphone you sure are the iphonefangirl aren't you.

Posted by: DragonFlyGirl

No, I'm here to read, learn, and discuss the iPhone. I personally think it's an interesting device, but I am by no means an Apple fan nor an iPhone fan. I'm actually wavering between the iPhone and the MOTORAZR2. iPhone has a slight edge right now (no pun intended), but I like the Razr2 (which AT&T is selling as well.)

Posted by: vietalogy

you guys are way off topic just drop it.

Posted by: campas21

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyGirl

No, I'm here to read, learn, and discuss the iPhone. I personally think it's an interesting device, but I am by no means an Apple fan nor an iPhone fan. I'm actually wavering between the iPhone and the MOTORAZR2. iPhone has a slight edge right now (no pun intended), but I like the Razr2 (which AT&T is selling as well.)

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1238937

please show me how you eithe read, learned or discussed the iphone in that post (amongst many with the same thoughts?)

...

Posted by: DragonFlyGirl

I don't need to show you anything.

Posted by: THETRUTH#34

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Originally Posted by XanderMac

its not really their problem when you knew what you were signing up for. Everyone knew it would be unlocked eventually, now the question is will it stay unlocked! I'll keep my AT&T service for a couple of months before I jump ship back to t-mobile (good thing I kept my t-mobile service active).

I agree its not there problem, i never got the iphone for this reason, no phone i repeat, no phone is worth the loss of my discounts plus, leaving a service provider you happy with for a phone.

Posted by: campas21

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyGirl

I don't need to show you anything.

you're right in that respect. however, not showing me, goes to show how your reply about learning etc.. is all b/s...much like the majority of your replies.

here's a new line of thinking/thought for you. instead of wasting your time complaining for every new post here and telling ppl to search, why not ignore it? that way, after a few hours, the OP will be forced to search. thereby accomplishing what you set out to do without wasting time?

Posted by: mrtrance

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Originally Posted by Ron21

Yes thats correct. The only way from them to relock the phone is if you update it through itunes.

So the future updates that Apple releases are not really required to have (or to use the phone for that matter) unless you want to be updated on every issue that they fix correct? If firmware you have is working and you are happy with it then there's no need to do the update thus they won't be able to lock your phone. The updates are pretty much minor fixes for some issues that you might have with the phone. So ultimately is up to the user to update or not and that will be the key to whether you get affected if they send a lock update in the next firmware update correct? It is the firmware update that would be able to affect our unlock iPhones correct?

Posted by: gta672

trust me in the next or two updates apple will relock your phone if it is unlocked. i have worked with cell phone for many years all they would have to do is look up all the unlock methods online and write a work around blocking them. any programmer at apple could figure out how to do that. i'm sure without a doubt that someone will be able to find a way to unlock it again, but look how long it took to unlock the first time it very well could take that long or even longer.

Posted by: MrDumbDumb

Of course ATT can also push out updates now since their OTA systems are up and running. ATT has much more to lose then Apple... we'll not really since Apple also gets a percentage of DATA feature dollars from ATT.

Posted by: skankboy

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Originally Posted by gta672

trust me in the next or two updates apple will relock your phone if it is unlocked.

I'd be willing to put money on this not happening.

Posted by: knownasmichael

I just activated my iphone a week ago. I was wondering if I could cancel my iphone plan to get my FAN discount again, as well as avoid the 2 year contract extension. Would they just make me return the iphone?