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Originally Posted by AJH1971
hehe. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
hehe. Sorry.
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The phone is feature packed, but the designers missed to add adequate RAM to support it's rich features. They realized it & quickly responded with N95-3 & N95 8GB!!
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Originally Posted by Baldilocks
I dont understand what you mean by the low amount of RAM.
Even my N75 has anywhere between 17.1-19.9MB of Free RAM to use for applications. |
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Originally Posted by GreatHotChick
this is what happens when you aquire bleeding edge technology
what did you expect? for the first generation n95 to be totally mature? |
But you are correct. Like many other things, phones can improve with time.
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
When you are recording a movie?
The n95 has only 5mb when you are recording a movie. :/ The only symbian phone with only that amount of RAM. All other have atleast 15mb when you are recording a movie. |
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Originally Posted by rapolu
Good bold first post AJH!! We all know that Nokia screwed us with the 'immature' release of N95-1
The phone is feature packed, but the designers missed to add adequate RAM to support it's rich features. They realized it & quickly responded with N95-3 & N95 8GB!!There is nothing we can do about N95-1. Get rid of it asap & go for the N95-3 or N95 8GB. Even now, there is no other phone on the market which can beat the N95's |
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Originally Posted by Baldilocks
Ok, i checked. Went into record mode and then brought up Handy Taskman. I am showing 15.1MB of RAM.
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Nice. And thats what a hand hold multi device should show.
What year is your phone from? |
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Originally Posted by GreatHotChick
this is what happens when you aquire bleeding edge technology
what did you expect? for the first generation n95 to be totally mature? |
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Originally Posted by Baldilocks
2007.
It's a Nokia N75. It is a U.S. 3G model. |
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
ahh. And what video camera has it? 640x480?
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Its only MPEG4 CIF.
And you get rarely memory errors right? |
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
I have just sold my n95! I have bougt it for 1000$ ...and got back 600$.
But I am still angry on Nokia! Thats why I post this. And I hope Nokia do not make this mistake again in the future! And now I have to wait for the n95 8GB ...the real n95 symbian phone. |
I'll be angry to if I typed all that stuff AND knowing I paid a $1000 Bucks for a phone thats not worth that much!!!!
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Originally Posted by SymbianBlack
I'll be angry to if I typed all that stuff AND knowing I paid a $1000 Bucks for a phone thats not worth that much!!!! |
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Originally Posted by kpo'm
Sony Ericsson had the same issue with its UIQ phones (in particular the P900 series) that has only now been rectified with the P1i. Unfortunately, I think it is just an issue of changing technology. The N95-1 works pretty well in single task mode. Multitasking is where it starts to freeze up or close applications. They are all fixed now with the N95-3 and N95 8GB, and these are the ones that will carry the N95 to the masses, at least in new markets like the U.S. As for Europe, phone turnover tends to be quick, so my guess is that a lot of the old N95-1s will wind up on online auctions once their owners unlock them.
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Originally Posted by fldude99
AJH: I replied in a similar way in the nokia forum then saw you had started this similar thread here. So in reality, what is the point of all this? In a nutshell:
-We ALL agree that original 95-1 owners were guinea pigs for Nokia and were basically screwed by the release of the 95-3 & 95 8gb. But maybe thats the price we paid for being able to "play" with it for a few months. -What would make you (and all of us) happy? Maybe a rebate similar to what Apple did...or a credit towards the purchase of the 95-3 or 95 8gb? Other than that, this whole thing is a waste of time imo |
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Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34
I understand everyones frustration, so we should just call this the nokia tilt, all other companies do this, nokia listened to the consumers, am i happy no, but i was shown great favor and never had to spend a dime to get my devices.Whats the difference between the htc tilt and the 8525, more ram and gps and a lousy 3mp camera, but it seems everyone is going crazy for it because its a tilt and not the 8525-3. If nokia called this the n97 and made an all black facing we wouldnt even complain. If apple releases the apple iphone 2 with mms, normal text messaging and 3g, we can say why didnt they do it in the first place ect.. ect...
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
But THETRUTH#34 you missed my point.
Nokia have made n95 like a symbian phone. And what can you normally do with a symbian phone? etc etc. Read my posts. Easier for me. |
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Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34
I uderstood what you meant, really wasnt directed to you and i agree with what u said .Just been hearing it so much.
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Ohh sorry. My mistake.
I would just say (again) that I am not so good too english. But I am trying... Of topic: I didnt know their was Queens in NewYork. We have only one here in Denmark. :/ |
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Originally Posted by fldude99
Well, AJH, maybe you're correct and not everyone is unhappy with Nokia..but The Truth didn't have to shell out 7 or more bills for his device..big difference
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
i agree here. Why has it been so hard for nokia to understand we need more ram? Its not like 128mb is that expensive where people would not buy the phone or something. Of course we would get it.
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Yes why? And its have nothing to do with tecknologi improves day by day.
This is 3 years step back in the free amount of RAM. And the n95 is only 6 month old. Crap. And if it was true... Nokia could just haved put the same camera from n73/n75/n80 in it. Then we would not get all those damn errors. Thats so easy. Or it should be. |
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Originally Posted by carsmovies
Oh stop whinning and just buy another phone.
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Originally Posted by carsmovies
Oh stop whinning and just buy another phone.
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Oki. Will you send me 400$?
But serious : Thats kind of remark is childish. Sorry but I dont like to be talked to this way. If you are not think I am right ...just dont read the thread ...or just say it in a adult way. Fair? |
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Originally Posted by carsmovies
I never knew that telling someone to stop whinning was childish. Usually it's the adult telling the child to stop whinning. lol.
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Oki. I tought it was : Stop crying ...was adults say. LOL
Here in denmark it means other thing. But why not answer my questions in post one if you don't agree with me? Or if you think the subject is too stupid ...then don't look in this thread. But I hope you will join the debate. Can see you have many posts. So good word again... : I can see you have a n95-3. Nice. One question: What is so special in your mobile that it require 400% more free RAM than n95? |
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Originally Posted by carsmovies
Nothing, obviously Nokia realized that the N95 needed more RAM and they have now put it in.
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
well i don't think its childish really if we just want to discuss why we think nokia phones have usually had small amount of ram. Its hard to think of a good reason other than maybe they over looked it all there years?
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
well i don't think its childish really if we just want to discuss why we think nokia phones have usually had small amount of ram. Its hard to think of a good reason other than maybe they over looked it all there years?
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Originally Posted by greenteeth
...or keeping the cost to the consumer down. Perhaps technology has advanced enough to where it's more cost effective to load it with RAM. Of course a year from now the available apps will be RAM hogs and we'll be bi****ng about only having 80mb's available on boot.
...remember when a 80gb hard drive meant something?!?! |
Just my opinion. YES is someone saying now! |
Originally Posted by AJH1971
WHAT!!! I still have a 80gb disk!
Good word again please. THANKS. Hehe I know what you saying ...but my point is not "tecknologi improves day by day or year by year". And remember that it is only 6 month of difference between n95 beta and n95-3. :/ And the 2 year old n70 has about 500% more free ram to symbian programs than n95 (when you are recording) And they could, like I have said, put the camera from n75 in it. So did the n95 not have this big problem. My Point is that ...when at firm are making a SYMBIAN phone they should give the phone some min. MB of RAM to other Symbian programs. I have a lot of experince with symbian programs. And I only buy this phone because it was Symbian and i like the Sports tracker ...so GPS. The Video/camera was the best unknown thing in the n95. I havnt see such a good video about rabits before (my first 640x480 video try). Just my opinion.And no other Nokia (what i know) has such a big problem with symbian programs/RAM than n95. Have there been any others? Where only 5mb are to symbian programs when you are recording or looking on a recorded movie in the galery. I think I have descriped my frustration in those 14 questions in post 1. So good I can. Why can Nokia get away with this? Firms have payed money back for less reason in that. And sorry I just go bananas again with the typing. I cant stop it! Well know I can ...because I have to go. YES is someone saying now! It would be nice if someone would take the trouble and say what they think of the new n95-3 and what programs they use on their phones. Please. Well goodnight and I hope some will answer my questions or continue the debat. |
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Hmm not sure what you mean. :/
Are you saying that all nokia models have to low RAM? All the years? If you think it ...try look on my overview in post 1. You can there see that only n95 "Beta" has a low amount of free RAM. Nokia 6600 have alot and it was rarely a problem for me. Btw : Is the video function not the most RAM hungry thing in n95? |
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
but i dont understand WHY they couldnt see what improvements RAM and battery would bring. some engineer has to sit down and design the thing. and since i;m sure most nokia employees have been using their products for years they would have run into the "closed apps shutting down" issue from time to time. it never occurred to them that more RAM would fix this? then they go and design a kick a$$ flagship n95, throw in a good 3D accelerator and fast CPU, and mysteriously leave the RAM the same as previous models? its either a huge oversight or there is some reason we dont know as to why they always used smaller amounts of RAM until this new n95-3.
but to the original poster, no i dont think we are getting screwed with small RAM on the original n95. i think we've been getting screwed with EVERY nokia symbian smartphone nokia has made. |
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Originally Posted by baimo
This is worst than my ex-wife's whining
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Originally Posted by baimo
This is worst than my ex-wife's whining
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Originally Posted by friedbrains
i don't know whose is to blame, but i do agree that nokia should take more of the blame...
but i do remember that the 7650 has only 4MB of user memory and has no memory card and the available RAM is also about 4MB and yet it works great... |
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Originally Posted by The Champ
Have you been computer shopping recently?
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
sorry i didnt understand your first post. you are saying that previous years nokia symbian phones had enough RAM, and the original n95 did not? i am saying that i think ALL nokia symbian phones have been short on RAM. you are talking about available RAM with the camera running. considering how cheap RAM is nokia should be having at least 96MB of RAM in every phone for the last 3-4 years. i dont see the original n95 as any different then what they have been doing. i think the n95 camera just requires much more RAM than the older n series phones. so my original question was, why hasnt nokia been putting in more RAM into their phones over the last couple years? even the n75 would do better with double RAM. it would only increase the phone price by 40-60 bucks, if that. i bet it would be less since they buy and manufacture in bulk. so what is the reason for no ram? have s60 apps just NOW started getting bigger and bloated? i dont think they have.
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Originally Posted by mrochester
The problem with the N95 is that while Nokia increased the functionality a *LOT*, they only really bumped up the processor speed and added the graphics processor. What they either failed to realise, or couldn't be bothered doing (because they thought they could get away with it) was increasing the RAM and battery. They did get away with it though, as the N95 has been one of the best selling phones in the last 6 months, and this is probably why they have now decided to add the extra RAM and bigger battery... to attract even more customers.
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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
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Originally Posted by fldude99
Well, AJH, maybe you're correct and not everyone is unhappy with Nokia..but The Truth didn't have to shell out 7 or more bills for his device..big difference
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
You right.
Well 7650 did not have a video camera. And it is a oooold phone. |
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Originally Posted by baimo
friedblogs
How do you scan a barcode with the N95? |
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Originally Posted by Dr Tran
It doesnt scan barcodes like the scanner at the grocery store.
It scans QR codes. Check this post out: http://blogs.s60.com/tommi/2006/05/...e_the_eart.html |
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Originally Posted by fldude99
this is totally off the thread subject
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Originally Posted by fldude99
AJH: the ram in the 95-1 is lacking-but my experience is that the camera uses about 3 mb..not the 14 or 15 you say you have experienced
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Originally Posted by Dr Tran
Ooops, sorry.
Nokia makes new phones better than the ones they released 6 months ago. waaah waaah wahhhh I paid too much for being an early adopter waaah waaah wahhhh Better? |
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Originally Posted by 95%
We ought to bear in mind that the N95-1 is still a d.....d nice phone. I'm keeping mine and will continue to enjoy it. It is completely usable and superior to 99% of the phones out there today.
Playing the "latest and greatest" game is not a sensible strategy. At some point we need to be happy with what we've got, and quit spending money profligately. At least I do. |
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Have you read the first post?
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Originally Posted by Dr Tran
A lot of us tried to read the first post, got confused by what you are trying to say and just dismissed it as an incoherent rant.
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Originally Posted by friedbrains
it does with 3rd party apps... it might be old, but lots of people still uses it... and it is the granddaddy of n95...
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Oki. stay with me... hmm. ....oki :
There are not enogh RAM to call n95 a REAL Symbian phone. All other symbian phones have more than 300% free RAM to running applications and "System" Symbian applications (like IVCM, Best profiles etc). Do you and your buddies now understand it? You are the first from USA with a n95 in this thread thats try to say what you are saying. A question... Have you tryed the n95-3? |
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
I just bought the n95-3 and its perfect. I can open up every app at the same time and still record video and the phone barely slows down.
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Originally Posted by Dr Tran
Just because it has 64 MB of ram instead of 128 Mb its not a "real" symbian phone?
That's just juvenile thinking. The 6120 doesn't have much RAM, but there are TONS of 6120 owners here who love it. I still have my GPS and 5MP camera. I can still run all my favorite S60 apps. Sure, it would be nice if I could run more at the same time, but its not that big a deal to me. I can live with it. I'm not gonna whine and moan about it. I'm happy with my purchase. (Actually, I got mine free on contract )And yes, I have tried the N95-3. Its a very capable device and I recommend people to buy it all the time. Is it for me? No, I'm on T-Mobile. What is worth crying about is the battery. I want to be able to buy the BL-6F and nobody is selling it yet. 7650 came out in 2002. It didn't have a memory card slot. The 3650 came out right after it, had mostly the same features but came with a memory card slot. Does that make the 7650 a "fake" symbian phone? Will I upgrade to the N95-8GB? Probably not, there's not enough advancement worth the $200 it would cost me to do so. |
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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
I can't help but disagree with your signature since you seem to be the only one who thinks the N95 is a beta. Most of us knew exactly what we were getting ourselves into when we spent over $800 on it back in April, especially since several bloggers and a few members of this site gave us a pretty good roundup with detailed prototype reviews.
Am I supposed to get mad at Intel for developing a quadcore processor because I didn't know about it when I bought my core 2 duo months ago? |
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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
Oh, I like dem apples!
It really is, especially since most PC's are manufactured the same way. I've sold computer A from HP with its set specifications, and then 2 months later, computer B from HP will come out with a minor variation in hardware (such as more RAM, bigger hard drive, or even something as small as firewire being added), and they'll change the model number by one digit. It happens all the time. Welcome to technology. |
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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
Oh, I like dem apples!
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
yeah i dont see what was so different about the original n95 compared to most every other s60 phone nokia had produced. they ALL have roughly the same amount of RAM. whether he thinks that is not enough may be a valid point. but its not like it came with LESS ram than other n series phones. maybe its camera required more ram for video recording than other phones, that may be a valid point. but its not like people were surprised or anything.
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Originally Posted by unrealii
This is exactly why I sold my 6290. I couldn't run a reasonable amount of applications. This could easily be fixed with virtual memory, but that is in fp2. I'm living with an iphone for now...As much crap as we all give the iphone, it doesn't give me out of memory errors while listening to music and surfing the web with multiple open windows...
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Originally Posted by unrealii
This is exactly why I sold my 6290. I couldn't run a reasonable amount of applications. This could easily be fixed with virtual memory, but that is in fp2. I'm living with an iphone for now...As much crap as we all give the iphone, it doesn't give me out of memory errors while listening to music and surfing the web with multiple open windows...
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Originally Posted by unrealii
This is exactly why I sold my 6290. I couldn't run a reasonable amount of applications. This could easily be fixed with virtual memory, but that is in fp2. I'm living with an iphone for now...As much crap as we all give the iphone, it doesn't give me out of memory errors while listening to music and surfing the web with multiple open windows...
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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
I can't help but disagree with your signature since you seem to be the only one who thinks the N95 is a beta. Most of us knew exactly what we were getting ourselves into when we spent over $800 on it back in April, especially since several bloggers and a few members of this site gave us a pretty good roundup with detailed prototype reviews.
Am I supposed to get mad at Intel for developing a quadcore processor because I didn't know about it when I bought my core 2 duo months ago? |
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
yeah i dont see what was so different about the original n95 compared to most every other s60 phone nokia had produced. they ALL have roughly the same amount of RAM. whether he thinks that is not enough may be a valid point. but its not like it came with LESS ram than other n series phones. maybe its camera required more ram for video recording than other phones, that may be a valid point. but its not like people were surprised or anything.
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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
Oh, I like dem apples!
It really is, especially since most PC's are manufactured the same way. I've sold computer A from HP with its set specifications, and then 2 months later, computer B from HP will come out with a minor variation in hardware (such as more RAM, bigger hard drive, or even something as small as firewire being added), and they'll change the model number by one digit. It happens all the time. Welcome to technology. |
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Originally Posted by Dr Tran
Exactly.
Speaking of Apples, Apple puts out a new iPod every year. Why didnt they put the features from a 5G ipod in the 4g? WHY? Why does the new iPod Nano play video and the old one doesnt? I think that means the old iPod Nano is a beta and not a real iPod. edit: I've used the video function plenty. The only problem I've had is the battery running out. |
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Originally Posted by 95%
Around the time the N95 was released, the N73 and N80 were the leading N Series models, if I recall correctly. Expectations were so high that not much attention was paid to what you point out: the new, more powerful phone had the same small amount of RAM as its older brothers. Given the potential of the N95 and its unprecedented high price, a certain amount of disappointment was understandable when it proved to have out-of-memory issues.
Having said that, I believe it's one of Nokia's best phones ever, and it's far from obsolete even though its successor improves upon it. |
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Originally Posted by unrealii
This is exactly why I sold my 6290. I couldn't run a reasonable amount of applications. This could easily be fixed with virtual memory, but that is in fp2. I'm living with an iphone for now...As much crap as we all give the iphone, it doesn't give me out of memory errors while listening to music and surfing the web with multiple open windows...
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Originally Posted by breaksraver13
Neither does my N95-3 even while taking 5MP Photos or DVD like Videos, WITH FLASH
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
yes i think he read your first post and understands what you are saying. He just doesn't agree. Yes n95 is lacking ram. But so is all symbian phones. N95 just happens to have a bigger camera.
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Originally Posted by mrochester
Since it seems to be impossible to measure the available RAM while shooting a video, or watching it, here is what I found by having the camera app open, and Real Player open. With the camera app open, available RAM dropped from 19mb to 13mb. With Real Player open, it dropped from 19mb to 7mb.
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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
You talk so...talks too much.
WHO CARES. You're entire argument is based off ONE application that eats more RAM than anything else and last time I checked, the N95 has the largest camera of any S60 to date. Are you really that surprised? And now you're posting videos of people complaining about the RAM, which, according to you, is NOT your point. Since you're the ONLY one who thinks the original N95 is a beta, I don't see how you, yourself, make up the large group of "heavy Symbian users". No one has bought into what you're saying. They've only agreed that the original lacks sufficient RAM in general. Why would we be surprised that it has less RAM when recording a video than any other phone? It's not like we were planning on using the GPS while recording a video and browsing the web. |
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Well it seems that you and other n95 owners will not have a bad word said against Nokia.
First : I dont care if YOU dont like my thread. You can just stay out of this. I have not ask you to join this debate. Have I? So just stay out. Doh! Second : ONE application???? Are all the symbian "system" applications only 1 application??? What do you mean?? Or are you just trying to spam this thread without reading the first post? And if is to difficult to understand ...then just go to another thread. ?? Third : I have started this debate in denmark for 1½month ago (2 places) ...and Nokia forum and here. Here you can also read from others that I have some thing to have it in. Fourth : And with "...some "heavy" symbian programs users" I mean what I am saying. Those who would like to use symbian "system" programs and multitaske. Have many programs. Is it so hard to understand? And sorry for my bad english ...for the third time! Well Its funny that almost all who dont agree with me ...have a n95. Other who has the n95-3 agree with me. And Some of them had also the n95 from the beginning. But they sold it or what ever. - - - - - If you will join this debate then you should try to understand what I am talking about in my first post. Please join this debate and anwser my questions if you like. And try to understand that there there are 3 groups of symbian users : 1 Just takling and sending sms and so on. 2 Have some symbian programs installed. 3 Have many symbian programs installed AND have "system" programs running in the background. All other symbian phones can have running programs in the background But not n95. The only Nokia SYMBIAN phone who can't. And go and look in post 105. Could be you can understand it now. |
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
if he disagrees, then he disagrees. its all a good debate. i do understand what you are saying that after running your system apps in the background there is not enough RAM left over to record a video. fine. it was obviously an oversight that nokia did not realize. but the original n95 is still a great device. i dont think that means it was beta though. the video record function is only ONE feature that you are having this problem. there are so many other symbian apps that work fine. the original n95 is still a cutting edge technology.
i'm curious. what system apps do you use running on your symbian phone? i use some of basic ones and a few advanced ones. what do you use? |
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Originally Posted by AJH1971
Sure it is a good device.
Thats not what I am trying to say with this. But it is not a good SYMBIAN device. And n95 is build to Symbian, right? And THATS what I mean with with n95 Beta. Well what was it ... IVCM, SMSSpam Manganer, Best Profiles, Remind me, Skyecaller. Handy Taskman. About 3-4 mb. Not much. Well then I had Ultimate Voice Recording. But it is not a "system" program. And when there are no memory to camera its close down this program. ARGG! What programs are you using? I have alot of experience with symbian programs. So what have you? BTW. : 09) Does programs and Nokia system funktions (and menu's) give all memory back when they have been used? |