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Was the bricking the Dev Team's fault?
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Posted by: flyingdutchman

Saw this and don't know enough about what is going on, so I was wondering what you guys thought:

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AnySIM and iUnlock were patched to make a routine exit with 0 (successful) to unlock the phone. Only problem was that that routine is NOT only called by NCK but rather by about six routines total. The other five didn't expect 00 to be there and were therefore spammed across your BB during upgrade. In short, the wrong bytes were patched and now you're all bricked. No, it wasn't Apple's fault. Rather than figure out how to fix this themselves, the iPhone Dev Team would rather work on jailbreaking the new 1.1.1 and keep accepting your donations. We want this fixed -- we want them to take responsibility for their bunk code.

Unfortunately if you want something done you've got to do it yourself. That's why we're here. We've got the 1.1.1 jailbreak and are actively trying to reverse the Dev Team's damage.

It was originally reported by TUAW:
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/10/firs...-dev-community/

Basically, according to a part of the team that broke off, the Dev Team's unlock actually did cause damage to the modem firmware and was the cause of the bricking. It does make sense seeing how IPSF solution was only relocked and not bricked. Anyone know more about this?

Posted by: campas21

even if it was, who cares?
it was the users choice to be cheapo and go the free route- anyone that hacked their iphone takes on the risk and shouldn't hold anyone responsible.

Posted by: Airkat

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Originally Posted by campas21

even if it was, who cares?
it was the users choice to be cheapo and go the free route- anyone that hacked their iphone takes on the risk and shouldn't hold anyone responsible.

Agreed. These guys gave no warranty. I did the unlock myself (hardware method) and fully knew that I was taking risks. It was a HACK, and by its very nature there was no guarantee. Proceed at your own risk so to speak.

they got something wrong, they're human too.

Posted by: gotanmp3

As great as it is that the iPhone Dev Team made it possible to unlock our phones, let's call a spade a spade - they did screw up. If Apple couldn't make their 1.1.1 update reflash the baseband, and Apple holds the keys to the kingdom (so to speak), the free unlock tools must've screwed something up in a major way.

Wasn't the iPhone Dev Team supposed to release a tool to correct the errors and make it safe for those who choose to relock their phones to be able to update to 1.1.1? Whatever happened with that?

I'm not complaining (I know better than to try updating my iPhone to 1.1.1) and I'm not trying to disrespect the efforts of the iPhone Dev Team. I do, however, feel they've been a bit irresponsible by not making it perfectly clear that their free unlock will permanently (if Apple can't fix it, how can the Dev Team?!) render your iPhone unable to be firmware upgraded.

With unlocked iPhone prices the way they are on eBay, I suppose for the time being the way to upgrade an unlocked 1.0.2 to 1.1.1 is to sell it and buy a brand new 1.1.1 iPhone (and pocket a bit of profit in the process). With the progress being made with 1.1.1 though, it may only be a matter of time before 1.0.2 phones that can't be upgraded may be the ones dropping in value like bricks.

Posted by: Anisoul

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Originally Posted by gotanmp3

As great as it is that the iPhone Dev Team made it possible to unlock our phones, let's call a spade a spade - they did screw up. If Apple couldn't make their 1.1.1 update reflash the baseband, and Apple holds the keys to the kingdom (so to speak), the free unlock tools must've screwed something up in a major way.

Wasn't the iPhone Dev Team supposed to release a tool to correct the errors and make it safe for those who choose to relock their phones to be able to update to 1.1.1? Whatever happened with that?

I'm not complaining (I know better than to try updating my iPhone to 1.1.1) and I'm not trying to disrespect the efforts of the iPhone Dev Team. I do, however, feel they've been a bit irresponsible by not making it perfectly clear that their free unlock will permanently (if Apple can't fix it, how can the Dev Team?!) render your iPhone unable to be firmware upgraded.

With unlocked iPhone prices the way they are on eBay, I suppose for the time being the way to upgrade an unlocked 1.0.2 to 1.1.1 is to sell it and buy a brand new 1.1.1 iPhone (and pocket a bit of profit in the process). With the progress being made with 1.1.1 though, it may only be a matter of time before 1.0.2 phones that can't be upgraded may be the ones dropping in value like bricks.

True, very true.

Posted by: senor360

No. Guarantee. Given.
Simple as that. I understood that part clearly when buying an unlocked iPhone. These Dev team guys aren't in some cushy office writing code all day and hoping you'll like their software. They're a dedicated group of individuals in the garage of one of their parents homes, hacking away at Steve Jobs little cash cow, hoping to help you out. I'd give all software / hardware unlockers a break.. before they leave this 'project' behind and make us all AT&T and Jobs little drones.

Posted by: gotanmp3

It's all well and good to say that because it was written out of the goodness of their hearts that any unintentional malicious side-effects were something you'd just have to accept. But certainly, you wouldn't expect anyone to be thrilled if they found out after-the-fact that installing Linux meant their hard drive could never again be used for booting Windows (obviously, just an analogy).

The iPhone Dev Team Wiki still makes no mention of the fact that you SHOULD NOT use any free unlocking tool (such as their AnySIM) if you intend on upgrading your iPhone's firmware beyond 1.0.2. What I take issue with is that by saying "Don't UPDATE to 1.1.1, restore local 1.0.2", they make it sound as if the problem is Apple's 1.1.1 update, when it reality, they should be warning people who haven't unlocked and don't have any real need to unlock, NOT to use the unlock tool.

I can excuse the whole attitude of "we didn't know what would happen and you unlock your phone at your own risk" before the 1.1.1 update hit. But now, we know that iPhones unlocked by iUnlocker and AnySIM will be bricked when updated with 1.1.1. The Dev Team needs to stop feigning ignorance and come clean about the damage the free unlock utilities do to the baseband.

Posted by: flyingdutchman

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Originally Posted by gotanmp3

It's all well and good to say that because it was written out of the goodness of their hearts that any unintentional malicious side-effects were something you'd just have to accept. But certainly, you wouldn't expect anyone to be thrilled if they found out after-the-fact that installing Linux meant their hard drive could never again be used for booting Windows (obviously, just an analogy).

The iPhone Dev Team Wiki still makes no mention of the fact that you SHOULD NOT use any free unlocking tool (such as their AnySIM) if you intend on upgrading your iPhone's firmware beyond 1.0.2. What I take issue with is that by saying "Don't UPDATE to 1.1.1, restore local 1.0.2", they make it sound as if the problem is Apple's 1.1.1 update, when it reality, they should be warning people who haven't unlocked and don't have any real need to unlock, NOT to use the unlock tool.

I can excuse the whole attitude of "we didn't know what would happen and you unlock your phone at your own risk" before the 1.1.1 update hit. But now, we know that iPhones unlocked by iUnlocker and AnySIM will be bricked when updated with 1.1.1. The Dev Team needs to stop feigning ignorance and come clean about the damage the free unlock utilities do to the baseband.

I agree. According to these iPhone Elite guys (the break off of the Dev Team) , the Dev Team refuses to admit publicly that there was a problem and is apparently not interested in trying to reflash the baseband, thus leaving everyone with a 1.0.2 phone that was unlocked by the free method behind.

Now who knows, maybe the Elite guys are wrong, but it does make more sense that their software messed something up than Apple purposely bricking phones since IPSF people were ok.

Posted by: Red Setter

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Originally Posted by gotanmp3

I can excuse the whole attitude of "we didn't know what would happen and you unlock your phone at your own risk" before the 1.1.1 update hit. But now, we know that iPhones unlocked by iUnlocker and AnySIM will be bricked when updated with 1.1.1. The Dev Team needs to stop feigning ignorance and come clean about the damage the free unlock utilities do to the baseband.

Additionally, they need to (IMO) remove these methods from public access. Free or not, leaving something in the public domain that you know will damage the product it was intended to be used on is irresponsible.

Until (if) theres a fix for the damage the anySIM or iUnlock methods they need to take them off Installer and iBrickr. Allowing people to continue to use them, even at their own risk, when you know the risk is real (All you need do is read these forums to see just how uninformed the average unlocker is, and how easy it is to mistakenly update to 1.1.1 even though you knew better) is wrong

The iPhone isn't some $49 handset that AT&T throws in for free for a 2 year contract. it's a $400 (or $500 for the early adopters) investment. That's a lot of cash to lay out for something and then find out you are stuck with the earliest (practically Beta) version of the operating system.

To all you folks out there who say that you're OK with 1.0.2 and you don't need the features or care about the future updates: Come tell me that 2-3 months from now when a feature you want is released and the only way to get it is by updating, because the same Dev team that put you in this position is going to have moved on to whatever the next release is. Grandfathering apps and hacks isn't an easy task, especially when you work for free so don't expect to see backward compaticility. (It's already happening: Apps that work in 1.0.2 don't work the same in 1.1.1. Once theyre revised to work in 1.1.1 do you really expect the authors to continue to make them 1.0.2 compativle as well? Or update the 1.0.2 versions indefinitely?)

Don't misunderstand me - my hat's off to the Dev team - tjheyve done some excellent work and I applaud all their efforts. But now that the problems have been revealed and the cause identified, they need to step up and do the right thing before they do more damage

Posted by: proaud

For what it's worth, I am a T-Mobile user, bought an IPhone to unlock and am using it on T-Mobile. I understood going into this that I could damage my IPhone in the process. I have a UNLOCKED IPhone running 1.0.2 and I LOVE IT!! I am giving a BIG THANK YOU to the guys that came up with the unlock. Because of them I have freedom with a device that I LOVE. So I have to buy my video on ITunes and then sync it instead of downloading it directly to my IPhone. I AM HAPPY even if I have to stay at 1.0.2.

Posted by: Red Setter

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Originally Posted by proaud

For what it's worth, I am a T-Mobile user, bought an IPhone to unlock and am using it on T-Mobile. I understood going into this that I could damage my IPhone in the process. I have a UNLOCKED IPhone running 1.0.2 and I LOVE IT!! I am giving a BIG THANK YOU to the guys that came up with the unlock. Because of them I have freedom with a device that I LOVE. So I have to buy my video on ITunes and then sync it instead of downloading it directly to my IPhone. I AM HAPPY even if I have to stay at 1.0.2.

That's great. I'm happy for you.

I hope you still feel that way a few months from now if/when Apple decides to release some valuable updates that you've wanted. I hope the Dev team does the right thing and doesn't orphan the phones they've doomed to the old software.

I bought my iPhone to have the cutting edge in cell phone technology. Why would I want to shackle it to the earliest released firmware version? Is the ability to have 'any carrier' worth crippling my phone? I could have stayed with Verizon then and gotten a Razr 2 that works like an E815.....

Posted by: proaud

I see and understand your point fully.

I took the IPhone out of the country with me and used a pre paid sim. To me, that is golden.

Who knows where things will go, but as of now, It's working great for me.

Everyone wants a hack, but when something goes wrong everyone wants to blame someone else. We are all responsible for our actions. If you don't want to brick your IPhone, then don't mess around with hacks. If you want to live on the wild side and see what can be done, then hack away!

Posted by: Mercurial

But if you were worried about being shackled to an earlier version, your option was clear. Buy an iPhone plan and stick with Apple's updates.

By using the unlock methods, you were given fair warning that you could not move to 1.1.1, that the methods only worked on 1.02. What exactly is your complaint now? That the Dev Team was correct?

Posted by: flyingdutchman

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Originally Posted by Mercurial

But if you were worried about being shackled to an earlier version, your option was clear. Buy an iPhone plan and stick with Apple's updates.

By using the unlock methods, you were given fair warning that you could not move to 1.1.1, that the methods only worked on 1.02. What exactly is your complaint now? That the Dev Team was correct?

No, my complaint is that the Dev Team has blamed Apple this whole time refusing to acknowledge that they caused the problem, which according to part of their team they did. Now they seem unwilling to try to fix it, meaning everyone who used their unlock is stuck a 1.0.2 unless the iPhone Elite Team figures out how to fix it.

Now, just to reiterate, this only a claim made by part of their team, so they could be wrong, which is why I asked if anyone had any insight to the validity. If it is true though, the Dev Team looks very bad. They supposedly are fighting against 'the man', blaming Apple, and then not fessing up and helping the people they supposedly are fighting for.

**EDIT** The Dev Team also promised a fix within a week, and now according to this break off group, decided to abandon it.

Posted by: Red Setter

First: From the start I have always said that to me, the ability to keep current with APple relesed features was as, if not more, important to me. That's why, no matter what I did to my phone, it was activated on AT&T legitimately. That I unlocked it at all was simply cause I could.

Second: I know/knew the risks when I updated my unlocked phone. I was one of the first to do it - in fact it was done as an experiment, to verify what wpuld happen to an AT&T activated phone as opposed to one bypass activated.

That said, part of the reason many poeple have unlocked was because they were promised a 'fix' for future updates, including this one. My 'beef' here is much the same as Mercurial: Not that the unlock bricked the phone. Rather that they knew, after 1.1.1, that is was the cause, NOT Apple's update, and still put it out there as a viable option for people to use.

THEY are doinhg more to 'Intentionally damage" phones than Apple did.

Did they do a great service to the iPhone community? Yes and no. How much a service is it to damage beyond repair a $400/$500 phone and offer no solution?

Posted by: Failed Engineer

As a somewhat OT question, I have a new week 37 iphone I want to unlock. After reading this, I'm thinking I'm going to pay to get the IPSF unlock so I may be able to upgrade firmware later. What's the cheapest place to purchase that unlock currently?

Posted by: Red Setter

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Originally Posted by Failed Engineer

As a somewhat OT question, I have a new week 37 iphone I want to unlock. After reading this, I'm thinking I'm going to pay to get the IPSF unlock so I may be able to upgrade firmware later. What's the cheapest place to purchase that unlock currently?

I paid $59 USD from unlockcellular.com.

Posted by: shadow_cruiser

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Originally Posted by Red Setter

I couldn't have said it better myself.

It irks me that they have abandoned the baseband firmware (rumour?) which they said they'll fix and yet are still accepting donations knowing the situation in hand. I agree that donations help the development but why promise something to the community that will never happen?. I see on the irc channel people are donating upwards of $50-70 dollars to help the dev team. IMO, save your money and put it towards an IPSF unlock which is the same price.

Anyone that says they are fine with 1.02 will be changing their minds once Leopard is released. No one in their right mind wants old buggy firmware

Posted by: campas21

big deal.

by the time anythign great comes out, i'll be prepping myself for iphone v2.
if i purchase a phone/ipod/anything- and a year later it's re-released with either a form change or an upgrade, am i going to cry foul? no. i bought the iphone with the intention of unlocking it in it's present state. in a year (abt the time i know i'll get bored), they should have something new out and i'll pick that up. if they don't then i'll eithe rstick with this one, or go out and get a different unlocked phone.

bottom line is that i can do this because of the dev teams unlock which means i'm not tied into any contract of forced to use internet for the next two years (if i choose not to).

Posted by: rushco

Looks like most people will be selling the iPhone for $100-$200 and put that to buying a new iPhone in the coming months.

Posted by: threezero

if dev team is indeed abandoning the fix on the old firmware unlock, this indeed is bad news for us common folks that can afford to shell out more money for a new fone. I do hope they come to their sense. Having no warning before letting us go thru with the unlock is VERY irresponsible.

to all you baller than can keep buying new firmware that comes out obviously wont have a problem.

not everybody is a baller.

Posted by: stevenisHAUNTED

okay i get where everyone's coming but it's the end user that should be informed and researching about all this. i'm getting an iPhone in Nov. and i'm reading everything i can so that i don't screw up the phone. if you're going to buy a phone that is $400+ you better know the odds and ends of your phone because i see that it's YOUR OWN fault that you effed it up. iPhone Dev Team provides the basics and general information of their own software. Also, i always see in alot of iPhone forums that say if you unlocked or used any 3rd party software on your iPhone DO NOT and they repeat DO NOT upgrade your phone to 1.1.1 until they give the green light.

Posted by: Red Setter

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Originally Posted by stevenisHAUNTED

okay i get where everyone's coming but it's the end user that should be informed and researching about all this. i'm getting an iPhone in Nov. and i'm reading everything i can so that i don't screw up the phone. if you're going to buy a phone that is $400+ you better know the odds and ends of your phone because i see that it's YOUR OWN fault that you effed it up. iPhone Dev Team provides the basics and general information of their own software. Also, i always see in alot of iPhone forums that say if you unlocked or used any 3rd party software on your iPhone DO NOT and they repeat DO NOT upgrade your phone to 1.1.1 until they give the green light.

Amen. Ever read my posts telling the people asking questions to SEARCH for answers?

Thing is, and this is my beef, saying we should be informed BEFORE the release of 1.1.1 is very true.

But AFTER the release of 1.1.1 - when it became obvious that the firmware was damaged by 1.1.1 - the developers had a responsibility to put that info out there. So that the end user COULD be informed. How many times did we read "Apple bricked the phones" when we should have been reading ANySIM damaged the firmware. How many 1.0.2 phones were unlocked with iUnlocker or AnySim since 1.1.1 came out?

Whether people updated or not isn't the whole issue. We're not just talking about 1.0.2 to 1.1.1. We're talking irreversible firmware damage that will never work with any update.

You happen to be lucky: you don't have your phone yet and will be able to learn by the mistakes of others. You'll be reading all of the horror stories of those who didn't have this info for what is it? 2 weeks now?

There but for the grace of god.....

Posted by: xcharliemx

So wait wait wait...........

Steve Jobs was telling the truth when he said this will damage your iPhone and its software?

Someone please dumb down the thread for me.

Posted by: Scuzzy19

Does the PACAY method do the same irreparable damage?

Posted by: shadow_cruiser

The only damage that is caused is modifying the baseband which can't be restored. IphoneSimFree doesn't touch the baseband and modifies the NVRAM, thus no brick!

Posted by: dmhines

Maybe Apple will be nice and release an "Amnesty" version of the iphone Updater. This would fix the baseband for unlocked phones and upgrade to 1.1.1 .... Apple could make it clear that this Amnesty Updater will never be released again ....

Posted by: xcharliemx

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Originally Posted by dmhines

Maybe Apple will be nice and release an "Amnesty" version of the iphone Updater. This would fix the baseband for unlocked phones and upgrade to 1.1.1 .... Apple could make it clear that this Amnesty Updater will never be released again ....

That would be a VERY smart PR move. Kind of like saying "Ok kids, now I know I said you would get the belt if I caught you climbing the tree but I'm going to let it slide for now. DON'T. DO. IT. AGAIN!! I have shown you I DO have a very big nasty belt."

Posted by: flyingdutchman

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Originally Posted by xcharliemx

So wait wait wait...........

Steve Jobs was telling the truth when he said this will damage your iPhone and its software?

Someone please dumb down the thread for me.

Basically it sounds like when they modified the modem firmware they did not take into account that other things would call on the same routine besides the NCK. So, when someone runs the 1.1.1 update and it sees a 0 in that routine when it was expecting something else, it pukes. That is as best as I understand. You can read the OP, it has the direct statement.

So in short, yes, according to part of the iPhone Dev Team, Apple was not lying in their warning, and the free unlocks do indeed cause damage to the firmware. Consequently, the part of the Dev Team that wants to fix this broke off forming the iPhone Elite Team since the Dev Team apparently no longer cares to try to fix it.

As I said in the beginning though, there is no definitive proof this is true, so I was asking if anyone had any info on it.

Posted by: Jster

Question - which unlock methods caused problems? All of them? All except IPSF?

I didn't use any of the GUI hacks; I did the manual method. I assume I am still screwed? I am not in a hurry here; I am perfectly happy with my 1.02 phone for now and recognize that I have nobody but myself to blame anyway. But someday Apple will come out with an update I *do* want.

Posted by: shadow_cruiser

Reading this link explains a lot
http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/wiki/HowIPSFWorks

Right now only IPSF is the safe method. Every other method, GUI, manual, etc corrupt the phone.

Posted by: jason_mc99

Can't you restore your phone to "virgin" 1.0.2 and then upgrade to 1.1.1, though? Sure, it'll be locked and you can only use it with AT&T, but I thought that was possible...

Posted by: Red Setter

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Originally Posted by jason_mc99

Can't you restore your phone to "virgin" 1.0.2 and then upgrade to 1.1.1, though? Sure, it'll be locked and you can only use it with AT&T, but I thought that was possible...

Not yet.

And that's the problem. The unlock manipulated the baseband in suce a way that even under 1.0.2 with no updates the 'virginizing' didn't work.

Which brings me to the crux of my argument: As soon as they knew that tthe efforts to reverse the unlock wasn't successful there should have been a warning: The free software unlocks are a one way street. Once you choose it there's no turning back if you plan to update. Instead we were told it was Apple that caused the problems. Man up to the fact that your unlock was the problem and move on.

That the unlock is STILL being distributed with the team's blessing is what I'm taking exception to.

Posted by: gotanmp3

It looks like the Dev Team updated their Wiki and finally pulled AnySIM from the main page. They must really feel like they've got egg on their face, since it's plastered all over IPSF's site that iUnlocker and AnySIM corrupts the baseband.

Apparantly, over at Hackint0sh, threads are getting deleted and one of the mods has even said "s**t happens" in response to someone asking whatever happened to the promised baseband fix. They tell people not to support IPSF, but they can't even demonstrate a mature attitude towards people who put their trust (not to mention a $300+ phone on the line) in them, because they claimed the free solution was every bit as good as the paid one.

IPSF provides a solution (albeit not free), the Dev Team responds with trash talk. At least some of 'em may have a future career in politics.

Posted by: Anisoul

All of this goes to show that you can't please anyone ANY of the time. If the Dev Team didn't come up with an unlock, then people would complain about it that. Since they did come up with an unlock (that doesn't admittedly have some imperative glitches), people are expecting perfection and are complaining about that. Geez, cut them some slack. I HIGHLY doubt that they intentionally created this error/glitch and HIGHLY doubt that they wanted to intentionally damage peoples' phones. Bottom line is, everyone who tried the unlock did so at his/her own risk. Yes, they should have issued a warning which more explicitly explained the risks, but we all knew that there was some level of risk. Let's at least cut them a little slack and remember that they are human, too.

Posted by: campas21

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Originally Posted by Anisoul

Let's at least cut them a little slack and remember that they are human, too.

F that. we shouldn't even do that...why? cause no one should be complaining. apple iphone not only has revolutionized the cell phone industry, it's also created a new breed of cry babies and complainers.

you over paid cause your'e an early adopter? boo-frickity hoo- that's the price of being an early adopter. the price of being exclusive for the time being. lucky that steve jobs even gave you a 100bucks back.

you're mad cause a "hack" may have effed up your phone? boo frickity hoo- shouldn't have used it then should you...you knew or should've known that the programs would do something to your iphone. you cheat the system, what do you expect? ignorance is bliss maybe?

let's say i purchased a car- i added aftermarket suspension components to the car- the car get's deformed and i argue that suspension has nothing to do with cars structure. WRONG. maybe the car was designed to only work with the softer shocks that came stock. maybe the installer of the new suspension effed up...either way, anytime you put "AFTERMARKET" stuff on, the warranty is void and rightfully so.

i have 6 friends with iphones- when they asked me for advice, i told them- hey, if you can deal with certain issues that may creep up in the future, if you're not willing to shell out 400beans for another should a hacked one break, then don't hack it. go for the stock version....this is simple common knowledge. similar to gambling with money. if you're not willing to lose 100k, then don't bet 100k. to win big, gamble big...simple common sense here.

bottom line is stop being such damn crybabies.

(rant off)

Posted by: gotanmp3

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Originally Posted by Anisoul

people are expecting perfection and are complaining about that.

No, it's not perfection that's being expected, it's a little professionalism. The Dev Team has denied they ever did anything wrong, repeatedly told people (even to this day) not to support IPSF, trash-talked IPSF and deleted threads about IPSF, when IPSF's solution was clearly safer and superior.

Whether they're working for free or not is beside the point - it's still wrong to mislead people. It's like someone saying "Don't hire an overpriced lawn service, I'll mow your lawn for free!" and then he proceeds to cut the grass too low, run over a few sprinklers and when you state that you'd have been better off hiring someone, he says "S**t happens!"

Posted by: campas21

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Originally Posted by gotanmp3

It's like someone saying "Don't hire an overpriced lawn service, I'll mow your lawn for free!" and then he proceeds to cut the grass too low, run over a few sprinklers and when you state that you'd have been better off hiring someone, he says "S**t happens!"

actually, no.

it's someone saying

"Don't hire an overpriced lawn service, I'll mow your lawn for free! but beware my way doesn't offer any guarantees that your lawn will be perfect, and my stuff is ghetto rigged stuff...." and then he proceeds to cut the grass too low, run over a few sprinklers and when you state that you'd have been better off hiring someone, he says "S**t happens!"

Posted by: ButOne

In 6 months, you early adopters will be selling your phones to get a new version. I feel sorry for the people who buy those used phones. They will not know that you hacked them, they will allow iTunes to update the the firmware, and get a brick.
I sure wont buy a used iPhone...at any price.

Posted by: jason_mc99

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Originally Posted by ButOne

In 6 months, you early adopters will be selling your phones to get a new version. I feel sorry for the people who buy those used phones. They will not know that you hacked them, they will allow iTunes to update the the firmware, and get a brick.
I sure wont buy a used iPhone...at any price.

I wouldn't sell my phone without telling someone it was software-unlocked, but you raise a good point - any iPhone not BNIB is now a liability. Hadn't thought of that.

I think the earlier poster's idea about Apple allowing a one-time "amnesty" upgrade program to re-lock and factory-restore (including baseband) an iPhone is a great idea, though I imagine it won't happen until either an uncrackable firmware is released or the iPhone is no longer exclusive to certain carriers.

Imagine the PR blowback (and sales drop due to consumer mistrust) when stories about how buying a used iPhone is a crapshoot start showing up...

Posted by: Red Setter

To add to the debacle caused by the AnySIM/software unlocks, now the method to reflash the baseband has been published

But instead of warning people that it is to UNDO the mes AnySIM caused, it's being used for more people with 1.1.1 NOT bricked phones to take them down to 1.0.2 and use the unlock. This morning I've read post after post from people thrilled that they can now take their fully functional 1.1.1 phones and turn them into trash by downgrading the baseband as well as the software and unlocking them with AnySIM

Will the madness never end? Don't people understand that ANYSIM is the problem? NOT the update? And why aren't the people from the Dev team TELLING them that? Warning them NOT to use the baseband downgrade for anything but a REPAIR of the mess their unlock caused?

This whole thing has been so irresponsible. It's getting me to the point where I no longer want to read these forums because it just nauseates me. These are $500 phones, nit cheap throw aways and people are plunging headlong into a disaster waiting to happen with not so much as a word of warning from the developers.

Posted by: Red Setter

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Originally Posted by jason_mc99

I think the earlier poster's idea about Apple allowing a one-time "amnesty" upgrade program to re-lock and factory-restore (including baseband) an iPhone is a great idea, though I imagine it won't happen until either an uncrackable firmware is released or the iPhone is no longer exclusive to certain carriers.

Imagine the PR blowback (and sales drop due to consumer mistrust) when stories about how buying a used iPhone is a crapshoot start showing up...

It would be a great idea - provided the Dev team did the right thing and remove their AnySIM unlock from the public. All allowing people to downgrade will do is invite more people to take functional 1.1.1 phones down to 1.0.2 so thay can use the AnySIM unlock. Why? Because people are so hung up on 'free' and 'one click' that they won't wait for a better method.

And the Dev team, who knows what the damage will be, just keep on feeding the madness

Posted by: PDR447

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Originally Posted by Red Setter

anysim has been removed...

http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/in...title=Main_Page

it was pulled the other day.

Posted by: Red Setter

Quote:

Originally Posted by PDR447

anysim has been removed...

http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/in...title=Main_Page

it was pulled the other day.

Kudos to them for that then. It's a step in the right direction