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HTC Mogul Vs. Touch??
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Posted by: firjer

Hey guys... I have the Mogul, and so far Im very happy with it. Works great, I added a lot of apps that are very helpful (vtap, sirius satellite, etc..). I don't use the Bluetooth cause i have a 2nd phone I use bluetooth with so it's not a concern. Also, I noticed I very rarely use the actual keyboard on this one.
However, I heard that there are a ton of issues with it. I read on here that Sprint is allowing(in some cases) people to switch out their mogul for the touch.

I checked it out, and I like the touch, but am not sure if I can use all the same apps on there, or it's worth switching it out.

Any suggestions?On one hand I am very happy with the Mogul, but Im concerned some of those problems might appear, and if I can do the samethings on the Touch as the Mogul without worrying about problems, it might be worth trading it in.
Any people with the same experience or advice, please help me out.

Posted by: bravo261

the touch and mogul run the same system, so software runs fine on one or the other. its the hardware that's different between the two, and you know what those basically are.

i don't know a thing about the mogul or its problems, but if i know i had a mogul that worked well, i would not take the touch for any reason. i like the hardware keys, keyboard could be useful too, but the touch isn't all that different if software is your main concern

Posted by: skinsfsu

It seems from alot of people i have talked to the mogul its hit and miss. some people have ones that are great others are crap. Just started at Sprint and am considering between the touch and Blackberry 8830. i've played with both and the touch is pretty sweet but the main reason I'm considering the Blackberry because it will sync better with my macbook.

Posted by: firjer

Yea, I heard it was hit and miss as well.. not many complaints so far on my mogul...
I read yesterday that the mogul is considered more high end phone and touch a more low end..
However, spec wise, the touch has more memory, so Im not sure, aside from the xtra buttons why that is...

I still can't decide if I should switch to the Touch.. some things keeping me here are that (even if it might be next year), the mogul should be upgraded w/ both Rev A and it's internal GPS, both should be a nice addition...
If anyone who has used both devices has any input, please go ahead..

Posted by: skinsfsu

well i ordered my touch today and should get it from employee activations in a couple days so I'll post on here once I use it for a few days.

Posted by: firjer

thanks.. i went to the sprint store again today to check it out.. and this time it was on the usual phone clamps instead of in the hands of the employee's. However, apparantly(or so the guy said) on those clamps it doesn't work well. It was a)stuck in horizontal view, and the touch screen didnt work... Not sure if it really was the clamps or just might be a bug because i soft reset it and reg. restarted it and it I couldnt click anything besides the contact, and call, end button.

Waiting to see what people will say who have used it..

Posted by: Ago Vino Verita

Hope you got the 400mhz touch, not the 201mhz CPU one.

Posted by: skinsfsu

Well been playing with my new touch today. So far I think it's pretty sweet. I did get the 400mhz one. I think all the ones for Sprint are. It did take awhile to get all my settings and email setup but is pretty easy. One thing that sucked it would let me transfer my whole phone book through bluetooth so ha to do it one by one. i think the only thing that is hard to get used to is that the keyboard is qwerty for typing but like the one on a blackberry pearl so kinda frustrating as far as that though you can swithc to other ones pretty easily. We'll have to see if it gets easier. So far I like it but again it's only been since about 11am I've been playing with it but so far so good.

Posted by: CoolPhone

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Originally Posted by Ago Vino Verita

Hope you got the 400mhz touch, not the 201mhz CPU one.

All CDMA version touch comes with Qualcomm 400 MHZ CPU, but performance is same as TI 201 Mhz

Posted by: HChristianS

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Originally Posted by CoolPhone

All CDMA version touch comes with Qualcomm 400 MHZ CPU, but performance is same as TI 201 Mhz

no actually it isn't.
its better.

Posted by: srizvi1

I was in this debate between the Touch and the Mogul when my PPC-6700 died earlier this month. I had looked around for a few weeks and basically I gathered that the Touch seemed to be less buggy, more stable (prob due in large part to it's higher RAM) and easier to work with right out the box. However, the on screen keyboard is really the problem. There's all sorts of substitutes out there, but nothing is really as easy as the hard keyboard of the Mogul (and other similar devices like the PPC-6700, etc).

So basically, how bad do you need a hard keypad?

I personally really need one, and as a result, I think I will be selling the HTC Touch I bought on eBay last week and keeping the Mogul that was given to me as part of the insurance swap for my PPC-6700. The Mogul had been sitting up in my room waiting to be sold, but luckily I was lazy.

Also, I think the latest Sprint 2.17 ROM has solved many of the problems in the Mogul making it much more stable. But from what I've seen from discussions on the Touch, there really aren't any problems period.

Posted by: juanflight

I used to have a mogul (p4000) or i should say 5 of them... overall the biggest piece of sh ever built. I had to swap my unit 5 times because of a number of different issues as of phone locking up by itself, wifi not working, screen not working, freezing every now and then, bluetooth not working, issues with earpiece volume... and i can keep naming issues... also the wife has swapped hers 4 times! anywho, they finally gave me the touch. as of today no problems whatsoever. the only program i'm having problems is with the spb backup 1.5.5. the program installs fine but desn't seem to back up! ( i bought this proggie 'cause i got tired of loosing info everytime i had to format the mogul). also the battery isn't that good on the touch
The only thing i miss is the wifi. but i think i will survive living on a edvo zone and having unlimited data plan (but i'm waiting to get the microSDIO WiFi 11g Card ( http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_...dptype=w1sdw823 ) . The wife is getting her touch next week.

Posted by: WarRaven

For spb back up, go into tools,advanced options and turn off, Stop Processes before back up.

It stopped working a couple months ago with it on(4 units), but off it works fine.
Ps, the backk ups work well, used one last night, its complete.

WR

Posted by: clockcycle

Doh, cut & paste of a long post. grr don't you hate that.

Anyways, here goes again.

I am stuck on the fence with this as well.

I initially liked the 6800 and would have jumped at the opportunity to "upgrade" from my 6700 to one, as it felt as the natural progression.

But in reading many threads on the Mogul and problems people claim to have with them, it has put me in doubt.

In trying to look thru the threads on the subject of "mogul vs touch", I see many people claiming there are many other threads on the same subject, reading those of threads, also claims many other threads on the same subject, but ending up without any real useful information or just plain making people even more confused.

Making it hard for one like me have to read thru and sift out the whining, bragging, touting for the one that person might be the owner of at the time or post about there's already another thread on this posted by the same person on every thread about the subject..

Now to give you a little background on where I come from to perhaps help me along on making a choice.

True to each his own, but that's why we have reviews on things, so others can judge things using others' experiences. One personally can not base their choice on thier own exprience or needs, without having both, each item/device to compare for enough time spent with each device.

I love gadgets, the geekiness / nerdiness of things, I enjoy hacking, editing, customizing, troubleshooting, upgrading, updating, being on the cutting edge. But at the end of the day having a working device, not just more head aches with something thats more trouble than its worth. I'd rather customize rather and troubleshoot any day..

That said I am a little late on the 6800 as an upgrade to the 6700 boat. But am I too late? Is the 6800 as an upgrade a thing of the pass, now being surpassed by other devices, such as the 6900 the next best thing?

So you can say I am an enthusist at heart.

I enjoyed the features of 6700 alot. Wifi once in a while to show to friends when and if it stayed connected. Or to actually look something up on the net. But this is comming from a carrier with only 1x net access (at best) it felt more like dialup, but atleast I had the option. Now on a EVDO carrier, net browsing is nice.

I didn't mind using the popup keyboard on the 6700, but once in a while it would cover the place I was typing into, so I switch the hardware keyboard or perhaps sometimes when I had to type something a bit longer, like this post I would as well.

ATM I have actually replaced my 6700 with a Treo 700wx and I am quite happy with it. I don't miss the wifi, since it's on an EVDO carrier.

I liked the hardware buttons on the 6700, but didn't use them that much, and don't use them on my treo at all except for occasional volume & the mute switch. I find I use the front dial / end and dpad alot.

I like using the PDA/phone alot and often. I enjoy taking random pictures. I use it as my computer away from home often.

So that being said, what's your opinion or suggestions? Or perhaps any questions I have not answered that might help you help me make a choice?

Thanks,

-CC

Posted by: clockcycle

Ok I got the HTC Touch.

It's nice, compact. Solid construction, rubbery skin feel. Screen is much brighter than I expected after reasing other's reviews. Much more than Treo 700wx and PPC-6700.

Using stock keypads makes you really miss some sort of keypad/board..

I miss the left and right softkeys, as well as an OK button.. It should have these atleast at bear minimum with Windows Mobile.

That proprietery usb/mic connector.. Why? And the Adapter / cables they give are for 2.5mm mic instead of 3.5mm standard? Again, why?

Ok the sync cable, is standard mini USB. Why not include one that works with the proprietery connection? Instead you have to use the adapter.

Same goes for the charger, it's standard mini USB, so you have to use that adapter. Ditto on the car charger.. (not included)

The microSD slot is behind a silvery plastic side panel, it's actually about 3 times the length required to cover the slot. If you run your finger on it it starts to pop out slightly.

Personally I can do without a keyboard, but would have liked the 2 soft keys and ok button in the front cluster.

Gonna have to play with it some more, I did notice that Sprint uses the 60610 PRL instead of the 20230 with the other phones I've had.

It connected data quicker, calls are quicker and internet seems quicker more stable speed.

-CC

Posted by: srizvi1

I don't love my Mogul, but it's what I use because I need that hard keyboard. I hope something comes around soon that's more stable like the touch, but has a hard keyboard.

Posted by: clockcycle

Welp I found out that the standard mini usb does indeed fit and work. So standard chargers are not problem.

Installed TouchPAL, still takes some getting used to it to type..

That's a relief,

-CC

Posted by: Jephr3y

Heh....I guess I'm not the junkie I always thought I was. I have had my 6800 for about 2 weeks now. I had a treo 700wx and boy do I love the 6800 10x better. I have not had one problem with the 6800. I don't do alot of texting, but I do browse the internet alot, and I do use things like the calender and tasks manager. I have upgraded my mogul basically to look like the touch, but with a keyboard. It is awesome, and I've yet to have any problems with it being buggy as everyone here seems to say it is.

Posted by: sno

The only reason I'm going to stay with my Mogul and not go to the Touch is because I NEED a keyboard.

Posted by: RobNyc

i want speed so i got myself a touch btw typing this from my ipod touch hehe

Posted by: black ice

You can get use to the touch. very quickly i have both, and i dont like one no better than the other...

Posted by: Touchman

I prefer the touch a lot more than the mogul. The mogul is sluggish, bulky, and I like the touch screen. You can get use to the Touch very easily, and is one of the fastest PPC's out there.

Posted by: RobNyc

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Originally Posted by Donovan P

I prefer the touch a lot more than the mogul. The mogul is sluggish, bulky, and I like the touch screen. You can get use to the Touch very easily, and is one of the fastest PPC's out there.

I agree. I've been getting use to this touch pretty damn well

Posted by: EvilDeadFan

I have owned my P4000 for roughly two months now. I would never go without it. The internal gps alone is worth it. I also use the keyboard almost constantly. On screen keyboards just take up valuable realestate, and force you to smudge your screen constantly.

Lots of updates and content on xda as well.

Posted by: RobNyc

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Originally Posted by EvilDeadFan

I have owned my P4000 for roughly two months now. I would never go without it. The internal gps alone is worth it. I also use the keyboard almost constantly. On screen keyboards just take up valuable realestate, and force you to smudge your screen constantly.

Lots of updates and content on xda as well.

Yea that works .. if only the Mogul had more RAM
Because thats why I got the TOUCH .. since it has more ram
But I have pretty big hands so TOUCH keyb is getting on my nerves
Even on my ipod touch :-P

Posted by: Wayno-san

I currently have a Mogul in Verizon flavor (xv6800). There are some things about it that drive me nuts but I would tolerate them all if it only had more user accessible RAM. I think I'm going to give the AT&T Tilt a 30 day try to see if the phone/service is up to par.

Peace

Posted by: jackrizzo

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Originally Posted by Wayno-san

I currently have a Mogul in Verizon flavor (xv6800). There are some things about it that drive me nuts but I would tolerate them all if it only had more user accessible RAM. I think I'm going to give the AT&T Tilt a 30 day try to see if the phone/service is up to par.

Peace

tilt would be the best but their data plans are so expensive, $80 miniumum phone bill each month, where as if you get a touch or mogul $30 a month includes unlimited data/text/and 500minutes included, save $50+ each month

Posted by: Wayno-san

That sounds like an awesome plan and worth the trade-off.... is that the SERO plan I keep reading about? Now if only they had decent service in my area...

Peace,
Wayno

Posted by: hyperdrunk

Does anyone know if the p4000 is due to a new model right away, My PPC6700 recently has gone sour on the battery end of things. So a new battery is $130, and a new p4000 is $200 for me with a 3 year contract, plus I have to up my plan $15 a month... Now I'd be willing to spend the extra 15 on a plan as it has push E-mail, but other then that the -p4000 doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade? Can anyone here tell me is it that much better, if at all. I notice it's lighter, and doesn't have the antenna, but those parts don't bother me much. Hardware keyboard is essential as I do a lot of E-mailing/texting from my phone. and prefer the full out keyboard. Unless you guys can ensure me that the touch keypad can be just as fast after a learning curve?

Please tell me there's a new model going to be released soon, then I can just buy that, but I don't want to wait too long.

I use Telusmobility.com as my provider btw

Posted by: hyperdrunk

Well after doing some more research, I found out Raphael is coming out in september, so i'll wait for that.

Posted by: RobNyc

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Originally Posted by hyperdrunk

Well after doing some more research, I found out Raphael is coming out in september, so i'll wait for that.

Good idea I am too

Posted by: scoloni87

MOGUL all the way!

Posted by: Touchman

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobNyc

Good idea I am too

Same with me. I don't like the htc touch cause of it's lack of keyboard. I should've chosen the mogul instead!

Posted by: Skylinepilot

Thanks for the posts guys. I was in the store today and spent over an hour testing out both phones only to end up at a stalemate. Having never used either phones, the keyboard was much easier to use on the Mogul XV6800 right off the bat but the Touch got easier and easier as I typed out several messages. In the end I think I was still faster with the Mogul.

The Touch XV6900 was a lot nicer in the pocket. The Touch was definitely smaller, the keyboard on the Mogul XV6800 seemed to make most of the difference in thickness.

I like both a lot and was pretty much at a draw on making a decision. I think if I absolutely had to make a choice now it would be the Mogul because I will likely sign up for GPS abilities which the Touch can not do. Another nice thing is the RevA abilities which are scarce now but should become more available later (according to the store rep I spoke with).

What is this RAPHAEL you guys speak of? Link?

Thanks

Posted by: Desert_Fox

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Originally Posted by Skylinepilot

Thanks for the posts guys. I was in the store today and spent over an hour testing out both phones only to end up at a stalemate. Having never used either phones, the keyboard was much easier to use on the Mogul XV6800 right off the bat but the Touch got easier and easier as I typed out several messages. In the end I think I was still faster with the Mogul.

The Touch XV6900 was a lot nicer in the pocket. The Touch was definitely smaller, the keyboard on the Mogul XV6800 seemed to make most of the difference in thickness.

I like both a lot and was pretty much at a draw on making a decision. I think if I absolutely had to make a choice now it would be the Mogul because I will likely sign up for GPS abilities which the Touch can not do. Another nice thing is the RevA abilities which are scarce now but should become more available later (according to the store rep I spoke with).

What is this RAPHAEL you guys speak of? Link?

Thanks

I just got my Mogul two months ago and love it. I'm on Sprint's SERO plan, which comes with unlimited data which I use everyday to tether my laptop to Sprint's REV. A network using the WMWifi Router. I use my Mogul as a GPS unit as well using Tom Tom 6.

You will get frustrated with the stock roms, but as of the newest leaked rom from Sprint, v. 3.49, everything runs super fast. The phone is a diamond in the rough so to speak. You will get annoyed with the RAM, but if you load a memory manager or a custom rom, things will be okay. The video driver issue kinda sucks, but I don't do a lot of multimedia on my phone so it's okay by me. I do watch YouTube, and the Mogul handles that like a pro.

But I will upgrade to the Raphael though... that phone screams 'BUY ME' everytime I see an article on it. 128 MB RAM and a 3.2 MP camera is a good reason for me to upgrade.

Here's the link you asked:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/...d-looking-good/

Posted by: srizvi1

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Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

...with unlimited data which I use everyday to tether my laptop to Sprint's REV. A network using the WMWifi Router. I use my Mogul as a GPS unit as well using Tom Tom 6.

You will get frustrated with the stock roms, but as of the newest leaked rom from Sprint, v. 3.49, everything runs super fast. The phone is a diamond in the rough so to speak. You will get annoyed with the RAM, but if you load a memory manager or a custom rom, things will be okay. The video driver issue kinda sucks, but I don't do a lot of multimedia on my phone so it's okay by me. I do watch YouTube, and the Mogul handles that like a pro.

Hey Desert_Fox, I'm a pretty annoyed owner of the Mogul mainly because of it's slugglishness, but stick with it because there seems to be nothing else out there for me.

Your post has me a bit hopeful though. Do you have recommendations for some of what you said? In particular:
1) The newest leaked ROM? this is different than HTC's official ROM over here:
http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=75&act=sd
(Download Mogul by HTC Rev.A and LBS Update – Version 3.35.651.2 , : Posted March 10, 2008 )
2) Other custom ROM and memory manager programs?
3) Using your Mogul as a Navi unit? I myself just took a trip to Niagara Falls, ON, CA with my wife's N82 and was counting on using her unit as a GPS unit. I didn't realize I needed to get a service to use it (another thread on howardforums.com discusses this and ultimately suggests the Garmin Mobile XT version - I'll look into buying this for her)

Also, other than youtube, what other multimedia video are we discussing for watching on your phone where the video driver problem would be annoying.

Posted by: RobNyc

I went back to my Touch its just better overall for me.
Faster, More ROMs, more fun, nicer size, better feeling.
Till the Raphael comes out

Posted by: sirexit

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Originally Posted by bravo261

the touch and mogul run the same system, so software runs fine on one or the other. its the hardware that's different between the two, and you know what those basically are.

i don't know a thing about the mogul or its problems, but if i know i had a mogul that worked well, i would not take the touch for any reason. i like the hardware keys, keyboard could be useful too, but the touch isn't all that different if software is your main concern

As far as I was aware, the Mogul runs on WM5 and the Touch on WM6. Now, here's the kicker. If you are using Sprint service with this unit, on the Touch, the WiFi applet is blocked off, preventing you from using wifi connectivity, however, on the Mogul, that's not the case.

Some friends and I have the Touch and the chatter around the proverbial campfire is that some of us are considering changing to the Mogul to utilize this.

Posted by: Sting32

If you like to use things (like you aren't supposed to like when driving, even like -> to call someone, or to call up GPS to find a location you are headed to) Well, I cant help but believe the TOUCH is far superior (stock). I have the latest ROM from alltel, which is WM 6.0, sprint is 6.1, Anywho, Moguls are IMHO, great "AT DESK" or on the BUS phones. Everything is Menu, scroll driven with stylus as the designed mode of operation (that I feel). Sure the scroll wheel does some things.

I know people are gonna say put the TOUCH HOME app and customizer on my MOGUL, and yeah, I had that at one time, just before the final was released. then I did the rom cooking, and since then, it hasn't worked 100% for me, Plus, I really wanted the weather to work I guess and I never got it to work right.

To me the touch seems more commuter friendly, but that is only an opinion after having tried the Touch flo and touch HOME on the mogul at one time early on...

Posted by: srizvi1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sting32

If you like to use things (like you aren't supposed to like when driving, even like -> to call someone, or to call up GPS to find a location you are headed to) Well, I cant help but believe the TOUCH is far superior (stock). I have the latest ROM from alltel, which is WM 6.0, sprint is 6.1, Anywho, Moguls are IMHO, great "AT DESK" or on the BUS phones. Everything is Menu, scroll driven with stylus as the designed mode of operation (that I feel). Sure the scroll wheel does some things.

I know people are gonna say put the TOUCH HOME app and customizer on my MOGUL, and yeah, I had that at one time, just before the final was released. then I did the rom cooking, and since then, it hasn't worked 100% for me, Plus, I really wanted the weather to work I guess and I never got it to work right.

To me the touch seems more commuter friendly, but that is only an opinion after having tried the Touch flo and touch HOME on the mogul at one time early on...

While the Mogul is annoying to use while driving because of it's mainly two handed needs, the Touch also bothered me because you have to look at the screen to see what you are typing. I have both a Mogul and a N76 for T-mobile, and my N76 is my primary phone so with its numerical keypad + T9, I'm fine texting on that while I drive (but do wish the N76's keypad was a bit better). I would love for Sprint to have a phone one day that can give me both a hard QWERTY keyboard AND a hard numerical keypad. I'm not a fan of the whole Touchscreen input thing.

Posted by: Sting32

I dont text while driving, I hardly ever text... Texting is what you do on the PC, I bought the phone so I can TALK on the thing (seriously I hate typing lol). So that part doesnt affect me and probably others.

Posted by: Skylinepilot

Those are some good points you guys bring up.

Unfortunately, I have been told the Sprint version of the Touch is not GPS capable (While mogul is with software upgrades).

Posted by: footmatix

gadgety sleek design casual fun use email web text phone = Touch

productive work power speed high volume email web text phone = Mogul

that's the way I see it....pretty simple choice....

I use a BB for work (provided at no cost) and Touch for personal....good balance

Posted by: Desert_Fox

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Originally Posted by Skylinepilot

Those are some good points you guys bring up.

Unfortunately, I have been told the Sprint version of the Touch is not GPS capable (While mogul is with software upgrades).

Things have changed now, you can use the Alltel upgrade to enable EVDO Rev. A and GPS, but that requires some Googling on your part.

Otherwise, check out PPCgeeks.com for more info.

Posted by: runnr548

Almost a week with two vz flavored Touch's...and we both love them! A little hacking & a some software on mine = GREAT!!!

Posted by: runnr548

I added the HTC black battery cover last night. I think it looks cool & has a nice feel.

Posted by: NYC Guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirexit

As far as I was aware, the Mogul runs on WM5 and the Touch on WM6. Now, here's the kicker.

Verizon's XV6800 is using WM 6.0 Professional and not WM5.

My question to all that have posted on this thread is as follows:

I have the XV6900 for about 3 weeks now and checked out the XV6800 today playing with a store demo model as I am considering switching before my 30 days are over. Is it my imagination that the touch screen on the 6900 is more sensitive than the 6800's? It felt like I had to press everything more harder to get the 6800 to respond.

Posted by: NYC Guy

Here is a update to my last post. I went into a Verizon store to switch my 6900 for a 6800. The area manager who I am friendly with literally begged me not to do it. He stated that they have had many complaints about the battery life, crashes, and the lack of RAM in the 6800 and talked me into keeping the 6900.