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Rogers Scam? 10,000 Songs with 8GB = 800KB per Song? How?
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Posted by: SingerWang

Rogers Scam? 10,000 Songs with 8GB = 800KB per Song? How?

As subject, isn't that fraud?

Posted by: kingsford

It could say 20,000 and it still wouldn't be inaccurate, all it would mean is the songs have a low bitrate. 800KB isn't even that small if the songs are in an aac (or another highly compressed) format. The songs would still be somewhat reasonable quality.

Posted by: DDRMacintosh

Even in AAC format or extremely low bitrate, a typical song will not compress to 800kb though. They should really go by a more typical standard, such as MP3. An average MP3 song is around 3.5-5MBs each with a bitrate of what, 192?

Posted by: CellCSR

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Originally Posted by DDRMacintosh

Even in AAC format or extremely low bitrate, a typical song will not compress to 800kb though. They should really go by a more typical standard, such as MP3. An average MP3 song is around 3.5-5MBs each with a bitrate of what, 192?

128kbps is a more standard bit rate still... if they were to base a song averaging 3.5 minutes @ 128kbps I'd think that'd be a fair estimate...

By my calculations based on the above numbers I'd say you could get 2500 songs... 10,000 is way out there....

Posted by: CxTd807

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Originally Posted by DDRMacintosh

i actually have a song that's compressed down to around 900 kb at i think... 3-4 mins long? but it sounded horrible...... the horrible quality of audio would only amplify with the superb quality SE headphones as well

Posted by: 12 CHAN

awww, the joys of "almost" false advertising.

while technically this is not a scam, since Rogers never mentions how bad the song sounds...which means you can compress to 800kb per song...and sound horrible.
Really cheap move by Rogers. Not everybody knows about bit rates and file formats.

Posted by: DDRMacintosh

LOL You might as well just listen to it in mono.

Posted by: bb147

it actually means 10,000 songs from the Rogers music store.. which i think is heavily compressed...

Posted by: HowEver

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Originally Posted by brucebeh

it actually means 10,000 songs from the Rogers music store.. which i think is heavily compressed...

Thanks, I thought that was pretty straightforward too.

There's nothing like good research, especially when there is no research...

Posted by: newman_dcb

Yeah this is ridiculous. A long time ago, they sent out some collateral that listed how many songs you could get with a 1, 2 and 4GB memory card for customers to take with them when they purchased phones that were on the memory promo. We kind of laughed at their estimates at the time, hoping that it was a one-off error by Rogers and that we'd never see anything so silly again. Until they started heavily advertising the W580i/10,000 songs stuff. I cringe every time I see it. There is just no way!

Posted by: D Mac

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10,000 is correct. They are, of course, talking about songs you get from Rogers. The songs you get from Rogers are all ACC and are about the size.

Posted by: bb147

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Originally Posted by HowEver

Thanks, I thought that was pretty straightforward too.

There's nothing like good research, especially when there is no research...

it saids in the Q4 sales guide.. songs from Rogers Musicstore... it doesn't obviously say "heavily compressed"

Posted by: the-marshall

Let's take a look... notice the quotation marks

iPod nano
"8GB Up to 2,000 songs..."

iPod touch
"8GB Up to 1,750 songs..."

Zune
"8 GB digital media player stores up to 2,000 songs..."

Rogers
"Stuff 10,000 songs in your stocking" (not UP TO...)

I think that's enough evidence for a frivolous lawsuit!

Posted by: Ryan_Phillips

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Originally Posted by the-marshall

Let's take a look... notice the quotation marks

iPod nano
"8GB Up to 2,000 songs..."

iPod touch
"8GB Up to 1,750 songs..."

Zune
"8 GB digital media player stores up to 2,000 songs..."

Rogers
"Stuff 10,000 songs in your stocking" (not UP TO...)

I think that's enough evidence for a frivolous lawsuit!

This isn't the US, it'd never fly.

Posted by: MrWizard87

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Originally Posted by the-marshall

It's not false advertising because like those other ones you mentioned, they feature fine print to spell out bitrate and format used in their measurements.

I'm pretty sure the fine print in the Rogers one says that it's based off the 32kb AAC format songs you get from the Rogers store or something...

Posted by: Thrawn

Marketing: Two Drink Minimum.

Posted by: DDRMacintosh

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Originally Posted by MrWizard87

Notice all those quotations say UP TO that specific amount, meaning some songs may be larger.