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Blackjack II GPS, Internal or AGPS

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Posted by: bonvivantmike

There is some controversy as to whether the Q9 has AGPS or an internal GPS chipset, with smart money being on AGPS. I was wondering if anyone had any insight into the same question on the Blackjack II. AGPS or internal?



Posted by: Quake97

According to this site...

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/blackjack2/

It's integrated/internal.

Joe



Posted by: dkhomdds

But if you go and add telenav at the end of the description there is a "*" that says some phones need a BT-359 bluetooth GPS reciever for this to work??? So can someone confirm the GPS thing without a bluetooth reciever???



Posted by: IlKevinlI

You don't need GPS receiver with the Blackjack 2. It has an internal GPS.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dkhomdds
But if you go and add telenav at the end of the description there is a "*" that says some phones need a BT-359 bluetooth GPS reciever for this to work??? So can someone confirm the GPS thing without a bluetooth reciever???




Posted by: wesmills

I thought AGPS was internal, it just used the tower for help if it could get ahold of the data. Otherwise, it works just like a regular GPS, but slower without tower aid...



Posted by: solo118

I dont know about anyone else but I cant grab a satellite via google maps even when outdoors....



Posted by: baimo

It works fine with just google maps or windows live. It is an independant internal chip that is not locked to a specoific application.
Unfortunately, it does not have agps, which would assist in getting an initial location quicker instaed of needing to wait over 60 seconds(if youre lucky) before achieving your first satellite lock.

When Noki added agps to my n95 in a firmware update the applications all achieved sat lock in under a minute.



Posted by: LaptopGuy

I have been messing around with the GPS on the BJ2 with Microsoft Live and Google Maps but it doesn't automatically detect GPS in phone and wants me to pick a com port. Should I have to select a Com port or should it be automatic. I tried looking at all the settings within the BJ2 but can't find any sort of settings for GPS. I tried telenav and doesn't have any selection for GPS unit and wants me to enter in my starting point. What Am I doing wrong. It's almost as if the GPS is turned off.

Thanks

Todd



Posted by: SHoTTa35

Well i was like laptopguy above. I don't think i did anything other than keep trying. it's freezing outside today and i was out there with my jacket and all that trying to get a GPS signal trying every port in Live Maps. I didn't get it to work. I came back inside cuz i was cold and just tried it again using Intermediate or whatever that's called and it picked up 6 satalites. This is inside! So yeah i can confirm, NO TELENAV needed and the GPS works INSIDE the house! I dind't go anywhere yet but i'll be testing it later


Hey, dunno if it helped but install Google Maps and set it to automatic (start -> Settings) You don't actually go there because there's no settings that i can find for GPS but yeah, eventually it picked up satalites and then i went back to Live and it worked from then onwards.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Well - I can't get mine to work. I must have tried 50 times yesterday in different locations. Inside, outside.

Nada





Posted by: beaups

load up google maps (NOT windows love). choose show my location....and wait....may take up to 5 minutes or so the first time



Posted by: LaptopGuy

I finally got it to work. Not sure what I did but for some odd reason I upgraded to the TeleNav GPS Navigator 30 day trial and it worked. I know you don't have to sign up for the TeleNav GPS Navigator but I was like what the heck. It does take a good minute or so to lock in so be patient. All you have to do is go to http://www.telenav.com/ If you plan on using Telenav I would recommend the upgrade as it has so many more features for $9.99. Personally I prefer my Garmin. I like the GPS feature on the Blackjack for Google maps and Microsoft live.


The Laptop Guy



Posted by: SHoTTa35

well this is crazy now, i did a reboot and now i can't get GPS to lock again (i'm guessing that's a "cold start". I tried everything i did yesterday and can't get it to work now. Damnit



Posted by: beaups

I am thinking that live is not capable of initializing from cold start. google maps has no problem here. also there is program called gpstest (search your filesystem) that can handle this as well.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Yah I waited and wamited again and after about 3 minutes Google Maps just says that it had issues communicating with satelites.

I've looked for this GPSTEST file and can't find it. Is it in the Windows directory?





Posted by: beaups

I think so. I found it w/resco explorer. make sure the hide system files option is unchecked.



Posted by: beaups

OK I just checked and it's in the windows directory...and will be hidden



Posted by: Jnowak1981

well I can't find it - darn it.

I did find a file named GPSDebugLog

Here's some of it - maybe that'll help solve the msytery



Gps.Start(COM10 Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:04 PM
Gps.Stop() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:04 PM
GpsID.Start() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:04 PM
GpsID.Start() - GPSOpenDevice() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:04 PM
GpsID.Start() - Exit Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:04 PM
Gps.HookEvents() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:04 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:04 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.UpdateState() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.UpdateState() - GPSGetDeviceState() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.UpdateState() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.UpdateState() - GPSGetDeviceState() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:05 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:06 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:07 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:08 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:09 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:10 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:11 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:12 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:13 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:14 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:14 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:14 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:14 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:15 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:16 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:17 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:18 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:19 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:20 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:21 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:22 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:23 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:24 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:25 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:25 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:25 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:25 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:26 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:27 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:27 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:27 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:27 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:28 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:29 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:30 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:30 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() - GPSGetPosition() Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:30 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (start) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:30 PM
GpsID.ProcessGpsEvents() - WaitForMultipleObjects (end) Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:28:30 PM
GpsID.UpdateLocation() Saturday, November 24, 2007



Posted by: redbluff

Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-I617/1.0 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.6) UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

I found the GPS TEST in the windows directory. I ran it and it then did start under menu. it searched and never found anything. I then downloaded GPS TEST 1.04 from smartphone freeware site and ran it. it searched all 9 com ports and once it came up and said GPS off. next time I ran it just keep cycling through all 9 ports over and over again.

I have a Tilt as well and it finds satellites in seconds but also has a large antenna on the back. I am beginning to really doubt there is an integrated GPS in the BJII.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Ok found it. Running it now. Nothing so far. It's been running for about ten minutes now.

Screen still says "Start..." and all the numbers are 0's

There is an option scrren which has

TYPE:: Currently selected: STANDALONE other options: MS BASED and ASSISTED

I think SERVICE : Currently selected: NAVIGATON other oprions: SINGLE-FIX

START MODE: Currently selected: COLD other options: WARM



Am I doing something wrong? I didn't change any settings just pressed START



Posted by: Jnowak1981

I laso downloaded that GPS Test 1.04 and ran it - it just kept on scanning for a good 2o minutes with no result.

This is really starting to tick me off. How is it that some people got this owrking right out of the box while some of us did not?

ANyone who has it working properly wanna run the GPS Test program located in the Windows directory and tell us what you see?

Thanks.



Posted by: chriskurn

Google maps finds my GPS location in about 60 seconds if I am indoors.



Posted by: amar_raavi

Modaco's Paul created some kinda application to set the port or whatever. I am not having BJ 2, i may get it on Monday. But if you want to try the solution link is here.

http://www.modaco.com/content/Smart...-GPS-ACTIVATED/



Posted by: solo118

Quote:
Originally Posted by amar_raavi
Modaco's Paul created some kinda application to set the port or whatever. I am not having BJ 2, i may get it on Monday. But if you want to try the solution link is here.

http://www.modaco.com/content/Smart...-GPS-ACTIVATED/

awesome Ill give it a try



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Yah I tried it. Donloaded the CAB file. Went to GMaps set port to 4. Nada.

Sonofa....


Anyone know if this CAB file should install a shortcut to sme app that we're supposed to go into and change something? I see the install file and it says it installed succesfully but I see no new programs, shortcuts anywhere.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

anyone have any success with Modaco's file?

Am I doing something wrong?



Posted by: solo118

No luck, Maybe if we ask our questions there....



Posted by: redbluff

Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-I617/1.0 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.6) UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

I have tried the file as well and it did not help. I tested with GPS Test 1.04 and after changing to COM4 it did find the GPS which it would not do before loading the cab file but it says GPS Starting up and just stays there.

With Google Maps after changing to COM 4 it does say initializing GPS but evenually times out.

I dont this program makes it work



Posted by: Jnowak1981

i don't know if this matters but before i found a file called gpsdebuglog somewhere

now when i explore my folders it only shows it as a txt file. weird. can you check where your's is located (file GPSDEBUGLOG) and also what extention it has ??



Posted by: SHoTTa35

it took a while but it's finally working now. This is inside also. Remember it takes awhile from a "cold start" so up to 1 minute or so is normal.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

what's working? Google Maps? If so what did you set the com port to (4????) and also what did you set the baud rate to?



Posted by: SHoTTa35

google maps worked, COM 4 and baud rate was 19000 i think. I forget what i set it to but it was working and i had 4 satalites. I only did it to test it tho but i generally use Live.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

why the heck is it not working on mine and a few other's devices?

Can someone who's app unlocked and got this working with Modaco's file go into the registry

HKLM/Security/Policies/Policies

and give values for all of them?

Maybe that's the culprit. I doubt it - but who knows?

Thanks.



Posted by: solo118

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHoTTa35
google maps worked, COM 4 and baud rate was 19000 i think. I forget what i set it to but it was working and i had 4 satalites. I only did it to test it tho but i generally use Live.


Not working for me, I even installed telenav then uninstalled it but nothing my GPS is not finding any satellites.
Whats next??



Posted by: znutar

I've found that the GPS mode is unpredictable. It seems you have to start either google maps (I'm using the auto setting, even with the modaco hack and setting things to com4 did not help at all) or MS live (using intermediate driver, com4 is a bust here as well), you have to try it multiple times before it works. Not sure why it is so flaky, but in my case if you keep restarting the GPS service in live or google it finally works, with live seeming to be the better behaved of the two.

Do the Q9h users have the same issues?



Posted by: redbluff

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Time to return the BJII. not having the GPS makes the phone not worth the upgrade price. I will go back to the BJ1 with WM6 I had already put on it.



Posted by: blacksrt4guy

The Q9 I had was VERY slow to connect but it did eventually. Id say about 3-4 minutes before it finally locked. I picked up a BJ II last night just to give it a try but Im already thinking of going back to the Q9. The BJ seems cheap comparing the two. Signal is terrible on the BJ too. The Q was a stud in the signal area. I'll try the GPS now and report back in a few. Stay tuned.



Posted by: chriskurn

That's surprising. I was driving with my wife last night and had the BJ2 running Google maps. The map was moving as she drove it was very cool!


Fix for the GPS:

http://www.modaco.com/content/Smart...-GPS-ACTIVATED/



Posted by: blacksrt4guy

Update: My first attempt using Google Maps failed. Tried again put the phone down and came back to find it connected to 6 sats. So I quit the app so I could see how fast it connected, took about 10 seconds to connect. I know this off topic but is the status light useless or what?



Posted by: redbluff

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Well at least you got it going. I have tried mine at least 50 times and no luck either indoors or out and also tried the CAB file to force it to COM port 4.

I am returning it today.



Posted by: millerto

Just posted this on MoDaCo but posting here in case anyone has some suggestions:

Hey all-- new here but wanted to share my experience and see if anyone had any tips.

I too could not get the GPS working on the Blackjack II until using Paul's GPS activator HOWEVER, just as soon as I had it working, it stopped again.

Summary:
- Tried everything to get the GPS working with no results
- Installed the GPS Activator
- GPS worked immediatly with no restart or changing of ports. Got great reception indoors.
- 2 hours later, tried GPS againa and couldn't do anything to get it working again.
- Have tried changing ports, re-installing the GPS activator....

I'm stumped. Feels like a faulty device.

Any suggestions?

Thanks to everyone for their help!



Posted by: beaups

Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksrt4guy
Update: My first attempt using Google Maps failed. Tried again put the phone down and came back to find it connected to 6 sats. So I quit the app so I could see how fast it connected, took about 10 seconds to connect. I know this off topic but is the status light useless or what?


yep status light is a joke. blinks for a couple seconds when a message or call comes in and thats it. sorta defeats the purpose...



Posted by: beaups

food for thought here...perhaps the gps not working is power related? Had no problem w/gps and google. this morning I have low (1 bar) battery and after the first low battery popup message the gps stops working. perhaps the os disables it when power is low?



Posted by: millerto

Quote:
Originally Posted by beaups
food for thought here...perhaps the gps not working is power related? Had no problem w/gps and google. this morning I have low (1 bar) battery and after the first low battery popup message the gps stops working. perhaps the os disables it when power is low?



Worth thinking about but I'm at full power. Appreciate the creative thinking!



Posted by: redbluff

Went to the AT&T store and had them try 3 BJ2's for GPS. Tried Telenav, Googlemaps, Windows Live, and they could not get any of them to work on two new devices out of the box or the in store display model. We also tried the Moto Q9H and it would not work either with any of the 3 applications. Uses the same chip and intermediate driver as the BJ2.

I have emailed Samsung for some help.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Let us know when Samsung gets back to you - if they do..



Posted by: redbluff

One other thing I noticed that makes me believe this is really and assisted GPS via cell tower is if you turn off the radio GPS Test nor any of the apps find the GPS. Only when the celluar radio is on does any of the apps find the internal GPS.



Posted by: ObeyyourTj

Hey guys first time to post here.

Alright a few things real quick.

I work for at&t, I'm only on the retail side for now, but I have access to device trainers and people that know how to do this stuff.

and everyone seems to be stumped.

Finally I submitted this to some higher ups.

but results will probably only be telenav related.

no word yet.

With that said, I want to unlock the BJ2 to work with all programs. Google maps, Live, telenav, whatever, and I know its capable.

I have an 8525 and use the bluetooth reciever, works great, but I dont wanna have to use it with blackjack II, I haven't even checked to see if it will work with it. I'll get back with that.

I checked to see if it had ANYTHING to do with what package is on the account.... no real answer from that. I've sold one that works great with telenav, but mine, no luck.

If anyone has any at&t related questions I hope I can help. I just want this to work. I have tried the modaco cab, with no such luck there either.



Posted by: redbluff

Thanks. If you want the appunlock letme know and I will send to you. I thin AT&T needs to understand all of us that will return these phones within the 30 days if we cannot get the GPS working.



Posted by: ObeyyourTj

well I dont know if this is good news or bad news...

but my blackjack II GPS wont work even WITH the external Bluetooth reciever

BTW, my PRIMARY focus is telenav, but I do want it to work with all systems



Posted by: ObeyyourTj

yeah I'll take the appunlock, is it the same one from modaco?

trust me man, I'll be returning mine too if I dont get this working.



Posted by: Alpione

It really is bizarre. I used GPS with Live, Gmaps and Telenav all day yesterday and it worked flawlessly. I used it this morning with Live on the way to work (just toying around - i do actually know my way to the office.) :-)

Now I can't get any of the apps to work. Rebooted and tried again. No dice.

Adam



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Maybe returing the phones and getting new ones would solve th eissue fro some of us?

As there are people out there who had this workign right out of the box.

But what do we say is the reason for exchanging the phone?



Posted by: Cabrera

Quote:
Originally Posted by redbluff
One other thing I noticed that makes me believe this is really and assisted GPS via cell tower is if you turn off the radio GPS Test nor any of the apps find the GPS. Only when the celluar radio is on does any of the apps find the internal GPS.

From AT&T BJ2 turorial:

When routes are requested, they are created on the TeleNav navigation server and streamed to the device using the latest maps available, utilizing AT&T's nationwide data network. As a result, users must be in a GPRS coverage area for the TeleNav software to function correctly.



Posted by: donald_wong_ooh

That may just mean that you need a data connection to get TeleNav's maps, not that you need the data connection for the GPS triangulation.



Posted by: ObeyyourTj

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jnowak1981
Maybe returing the phones and getting new ones would solve th eissue fro some of us?

As there are people out there who had this workign right out of the box.

But what do we say is the reason for exchanging the phone?



well as a rep, I know some people will keep exchanging devices out cuz they dont want to hear it. they will only exchange a few devices til it finally clicks, "hey we've had alot of people have this problem, maybe its not each device" maybe its something else.

Just so you know I have tried many devices and since I'm an at&t rep, I can exchange as much as I want.

can everyone include what area they live in (state, city) I'm gonna run tower tests to see if that has ANYTHING to do with it, considering it needs our towers to use gps.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

they didn't change my pda plan when i got the new blackjack and kept the previous one from bj1. Maybe that's the reason it isn't working. LONGSHOT.....



Posted by: ObeyyourTj

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jnowak1981
they didn't change my pda plan when i got the new blackjack and kept the previous one from bj1. Maybe that's the reason it isn't working. LONGSHOT.....


Yeah that was one of my thoughts too...

I've looked into it, and since my phone has unlimited access to everything, and it still doesn't work...

it seems to have nothing to do with it...

my account works with the Curve 2, 8525, and the Tilt

GPS works flawlessly. I have also used gps (with bluetooth reciever) on a smartphone, with the same account.

It looks like its something new with the blackjack 2 and Q9



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Ok. just called AT&T. Added the $9.99/m Telenav feature.

Guess what?

I know what you were thinking.....

Well TELENAV can't get a GPS signal either.

This blows.

BTW - I'm in Chicago.



Posted by: redbluff

I am in Dayton Ohio and have never gotten it to work with the Telenav trial or any of the other apps without or without the Modaco fix



Posted by: SHoTTa35

i was trying all day with Live and i was like, you know what, lemme try Google Maps again and that worked as soon as i installed it. I went back to Live and tried it and that still wont work. I don't get it.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

is it working for you now? If so can you tell us the steps you took?

Did you install the Modaco fix? if so what did you do first? Install GMAPS? telenav? etc.

Maybe you need to follow certainm steps to get it to work initially.



Posted by: beaups

it works for me now 99 percent of the time. load google maps (NO hack)...my sure location setting is set to auto...then be patient.



Posted by: redbluff

WHat is really amazing is if you go to the Windows directory and serach for a file called GPS Test and run it the program also cant find the GPS or Satellites.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Ok People. Some of you might like this some of you might not.

I'm 99% sure that it is in fact the device (some of them) that is the culprit.

I went to a local ATT store here by my work. Exchanged for a brand new one.

TeleNav now works. Map moves as I drive, etc. (This did not work for me on the previosu device at all - it couldn't find a GPS signal...)

Will try GMAPS later on when I get home.

Hope this helps.



Posted by: redbluff

Let us know. I also just did a hard reset and started from scratch. Still does not work with any of the apps.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Update. Couldn't wait until I got home.

GMAPS works. No hack. Located me in 5 seconds.

Windows live works. No hack. Took about 30 seconds.

GO EXCHANGE YOUR PHONES!!!!

There is only one way to look at this. My other phone was faulty. I've hard reset it 5 times or so. reinstalled GMPAS, W live, GPS TEST and other apps. Nothing worked.

Now that I got a new phone - everything works.

I do have the TELENAV 9.99/ m plan and am gonna keep it until someone tells me that they got a new device and all works without it.

I also had it ony old device and TeleNav nor any others worked.



Posted by: Jnowak1981

Seems kinda spotty though. Works really well outside. Inside it worked really well before - now GMAPS is seeking GPS Satellites.

IDK.

Kinda think whether I should do the Modaco fix on this phone to see fi it helps it.

I guess I can always go get another phone if GPS never works again.

Edit - one hour later

Seems to be workim,ng again. But I almost wanna say that I have to run TeleNav to get the other programs going.


I'll do some testing throughout the day. But I still think whoever has an issue with ith not working at all should just go get a new phone from ATT



Posted by: solo118

i think it is rediculous that gps works on only certain phones, why cant it just work as advertised? gps integrated my butt!!!



Posted by: jhruth

I just received my BJ II and loaded gmaps on it and just hit "show my location" and it did. The first time it took almost a minute, but after that it was fine. It even moved when I was driving along. I did not activate Telnav and didn't install the Modaco .cab file. Nothing at all and it just worked. The first time it was locating the satellites it did take a while, and locating the satellites when I was outside was MUCH quicker.



Posted by: SHoTTa35

now do a reboot and that's when you're with a "cold start" That's when it takes forever to lock again.

Now i loaded up Live when i was coming home and that worked right off the bat. I didn't install telenav EVER but i've since uninstalled GMaps and live still works. It just seems like once the system has been "activated" somehow then it's fine but after you reboot it's hell trying to get it to work again for some reason.



Posted by: rhsauer

GPS on the BJII works great (from a cold start) as long as you're standing on a field in Kansas on a sunny day. In the caverns of Manhattan, you can forget about it. The Q9h wasn't any better, IMHO. Luckily, most of the streets are numbered in Manhattan, and it's kinda hard to get lost.



Posted by: znutar

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHoTTa35
now do a reboot and that's when you're with a "cold start" That's when it takes forever to lock again.

Now i loaded up Live when i was coming home and that worked right off the bat. I didn't install telenav EVER but i've since uninstalled GMaps and live still works. It just seems like once the system has been "activated" somehow then it's fine but after you reboot it's hell trying to get it to work again for some reason.


I'm having the exact same sort of issues. From cold boot it takes forever and sometimes you have to try google or live a few times before the GPS finally kicks in (and make sure to be outside for initial startup or you are wasting your time). After the initial startup it works much better and locks within 15 seconds upon subsequent attempts.

Tried the modaco hack and that did absolutely nothing for me at all.



Posted by: IlKevinlI

Same problem here. Once it locks on its fine. If you reboot, it takes forever to get a lock again. Also tried the modaco hack and it didn't make a difference

Quote:
Originally Posted by znutar
I'm having the exact same sort of issues. From cold boot it takes forever and sometimes you have to try google or live a few times before the GPS finally kicks in (and make sure to be outside for initial startup or you are wasting your time). After the initial startup it works much better and locks within 15 seconds upon subsequent attempts.

Tried the modaco hack and that did absolutely nothing for me at all.




Posted by: Foxbat121

Quote:
Originally Posted by znutar
I'm having the exact same sort of issues. From cold boot it takes forever and sometimes you have to try google or live a few times before the GPS finally kicks in (and make sure to be outside for initial startup or you are wasting your time). After the initial startup it works much better and locks within 15 seconds upon subsequent attempts.

Tried the modaco hack and that did absolutely nothing for me at all.


IMHO, that's quite normal for ALL hand help GPS units.



Posted by: Cabrera

Tried telenav, copilot, gmaps. Could not lock onto any satellites. I live in a 3g area. Spent over an hour standing in a Walgreens parking lot. I guess I'll exchange the phone....and spend another couple of hours setting it up and downloading software...after I test the GPS.



Posted by: jhruth

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabrera
Tried telenav, copilot, gmaps. Could not lock onto any satellites. I live in a 3g area. Spent over an hour standing in a Walgreens parking lot. I guess I'll exchange the phone....and spend another couple of hours setting it up and downloading software...after I test the GPS.



I also tested mine in a Walgreens parking lot !!!

But it worked fine......



Posted by: beaups

yep. one very nice feature of bj2 vs bj1 is that if you pull the battery while the unit is plugged in IT WILL STAY ON. this is very handy for those of us that swap batteries a lot...obviously it will be more handy once you can actually buy a spare battery ;-)



Posted by: SHoTTa35

Quote:
Originally Posted by beaups
yep. one very nice feature of bj2 vs bj1 is that if you pull the battery while the unit is plugged in IT WILL STAY ON. this is very handy for those of us that swap batteries a lot...obviously it will be more handy once you can actually buy a spare battery ;-)


wow really? hmm.. didn't know that. I guess i should RTFM but still... wow



Posted by: solo118

can anyone confirm gps working once they swap out for a new device? what do ou tell the dealer to explain what is faulty, I doubt they will accept gps not working



Posted by: Cabrera

On the way to the ATT store to exchange the BJ2, I left gmaps searching for satellites and of course it locken on 5 in under a minute. Go figure.



Posted by: chudy2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabrera
On the way to the ATT store to exchange the BJ2, I left gmaps searching for satellites and of course it locken on 5 in under a minute. Go figure.



im yet to receive my bj2 but from past experience, gps locking is a crap shoot.

my portable gps navigation unit with a sirfIII chipset sometimes takes 30 seconds and sometimes 3-4 minutes if its got an obscured view of the sky or its cloudy out

and defiantly indoors gps sucks. the less sky the antenna sees the worse it gets



Posted by: redbluff

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went and exchanged mine. walked out fired up Google maps and have 7 satelites in 30 seconds.



Posted by: redbluff

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went and exchanged mine. walked out fired up Google maps and have 7 satelites in 30 seconds.



Posted by: DaRep

I had no luck with my GPS setup on the BJ2 all day yesterday, it did manage to grab signal once. I tested it with my Holux GPSlim Bluetooth external unit and it performed admirably as it always has.

I tried the Telenav software on the phone yesterday and spent a considerable amount of time with AT&T customer service trying to figure out why I couldn't get it to work. I installed it, it sent me a PIN to log in and all of that jazz even.

So today I took it to the store here in Fredericksburg, VA to exchange it since the customer service rep and I were pretty convinced something was up with the unit. Fortunately, the intelligent (and equally attractive) woman who helped me out looked up my account and suggested that they didn't provision it properly for usage of Telenav. She made a couple of quick changes and I took the phone back outside and sure as hell it worked right there.

I've used it Telenav about 6 times since, and it has worked each time. I've also used Windows Live Search (with the intermediate driver) a handful of times and it too has worked fine. I won't hold my breath, but it's the most consistency I've seen from the unit thus far.



Posted by: solo118

Anyone else seeing a huge decrease in battery life with the modaco hack?
Without even using the gps it kills the battery



Posted by: Fegul

Quote:
Originally Posted by solo118
Anyone else seeing a huge decrease in battery life with the modaco hack?
Without even using the gps it kills the battery

Apparently it's an issue affecting Q9h users too. From what was mentioned in the other PDA sub-forum, an on/off software switch for the GPS is in the works by some enterprising souls.





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