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When will we get the TyTN II?
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Posted by: danbuhler

Is there any new news on the availability of the TyTN II?

Posted by: viking5000

About 2 months before HTC launches TyTN III

Posted by: EldonSmith

Do we need to sticky one of these so we don't get the same question every week....

haha

Posted by: CL

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Originally Posted by viking5000

About 2 months before HTC launches TyTN III

Actaully it will be 6 months after HTC launches TyTN III

Posted by: danbuhler

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Originally Posted by EldonSmith

Do we need to sticky one of these so we don't get the same question every week....

haha

Yes

I haven't seen anything about TyTN II's in the last couple weeks.

Posted by: zax123

As far as I know it's still January or February.

Posted by: danbuhler

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Originally Posted by zax123

As far as I know it's still January or February.

Guess I missed that memo. Thanks.

Posted by: Ryan_Phillips

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Originally Posted by zax123

As far as I know it's still January or February.

Never seen anything official about that. Official word via email is nothing more specific than "not yet, can't make any promises at this time."

Posted by: souljah514

I talked to a csr yesterday after I lost my phone. I asked about the Tytn II. He told me that he assures me that it will come out for sure and he predicts in about one month. I then asked about the iphone and he quickly told me that he is not authorized to talk about it.

Posted by: story

My friend STILL hasn't heard anything about the TYTN II, she's in retention department.

Posted by: zax123

Someone on this forum has informed us that the TyTN II is already in Rogers warehouses and they are simply waiting for inventory of the TyTN to diminish before releasing it. That means that all the work is done for it (custom firmware, marketing plan, etc). All we can do is wait... and encourage people we don't like to buy the TyTN.

Posted by: dmblue

i think it will come out the same time as the iPhone..

lol......

Posted by: danbuhler

Lol, all my friends already own the TyTN... and hate me for recommending it!

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

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Originally Posted by danbuhler

Lol, all my friends already own the TyTN... and hate me for recommending it!

keep up the good work!!! hahahahah...

Posted by: dmblue

tytn was such a great phone.. i love mine still.

even though i havent used it since august

Posted by: zepperdude

Are you selling you Tytn?

Posted by: JwY

At this rate I'll be on my TyTN III.

Posted by: Nickster248

Is Rogers not going to carry the latest HTC TyTnII "tilt" phone

If I'm not mistaken, AT&T has had it for quite some time. Is there a reason that Canadian Carriers are being shut out in terms offering the latest TyTn incarnation?

Posted by: nolimtzel

canadians are cheap. rogers wont release it until one they get rid of their tytn's and two the tytn II because more cheap.

Posted by: viking5000

So is the life in a monopoly...whatever Rogers decide - those are your options... Feels like Russia/Soviet Union in the 80s

Posted by: Ryan_Phillips

Fact of the matter is that the TyTN never really sold in fantastic numbers due to its price, so it's hard to justify bringing in a more expensive device.

It's all based on the market...no so USSR after all...

Posted by: nolimtzel

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Phillips

Fact of the matter is that the TyTN never really sold in fantastic numbers due to its price, so it's hard to justify bringing in a more expensive device.

It's all based on the market...no so USSR after all...

agreed. the average rogers customer would rather see a ****** iphone with edge, rather than a advanced device with gps, hsdpa and true smart phone capabilities.

Posted by: viking5000

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Phillips

Perhaps with more competition the price would go down??

Posted by: Ryan_Phillips

Perhaps, but the market is only so big, especialy for a specialised device like the TyTN and II. Canada only has a population of 35 million, and of that only a percentage will access the wireless market. Of that portion, an even smaller portion want/need to use data, and an even smaller proportion of those people will pay for/use the advanced features on such phones.

To use a micro level example (with arbitrary numbers, just to illustrate), I bet for every 30 Nokia 6085s I sell, I probably sell 10 BlackBerries. I have sold only 2 TyTNs in 5 months of working at Rogers.

Now I know that there are a lot of factors involved in this and it's not necessarily indicative of the whole market...but it helps illustrate the point.

The average user doesn't even use data, let alone 3G, wifi, etc...

Posted by: viking5000

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Phillips

Perhaps, but the market is only so big, especialy for a specialised device like the TyTN and II. Canada only has a population of 35 million, and of that only a percentage will access the wireless market. Of that portion, an even smaller portion want/need to use data, and an even smaller proportion of those people will pay for/use the advanced features on such phones.

To use a micro level example (with arbitrary numbers, just to illustrate), I bet for every 30 Nokia 6085s I sell, I probably sell 10 BlackBerries. I have sold only 2 TyTNs in 5 months of working at Rogers.

Now I know that there are a lot of factors involved in this and it's not necessarily indicative of the whole market...but it helps illustrate the point.

The average user doesn't even use data, let alone 3G, wifi, etc...

All good points - but being from and traveling frequently to Europe, I see a market dynamic that is completely different than in Canada and US. For instance Norway (with 4.5 million and less population density than Canada) there are multiple operators competing aggressively to bring in new handsets and introduce flexible rate plans. Some operators target the professional user - hence all new HTC and other smart phones are available. Others target pre-paid, family plans and youth market. The winner from all this: consumers as well as some very successful and profitable companies.

In addition to MUCH better and flexible pricing there is a tremendous amount of other services available that Rogers has no motivation to bring into Canada - hence contributing to one of the least developed 'wireless nations' in the Wester world.

At the current price - I think you are right - the sale of Tytn and Tytn II woul d be limited in Canada. However - those of us who would like such a device cannot buy it due to the iron grip by the only GSM carrier in the country.

If T-Mobile, Vodafone, Orange and/or others were allowed to compete and roll out services I am pretty sure Rogers would have to get their act together in many ways (by the way the same would apply to the cable tv market)

Anyways - i just want choices and with the current situation (oligopoly / monopoly) I have close to none...

Some interesting reading: http://avenirdusansfil.ca/fichiers/...efits-07-06.pdf

Posted by: lcohen999

Yes, but Norway is much smaller than Canada

Posted by: viking5000

Norway is much smaller - but population density is not that far off in populated areas (12/km in Norway 13/km in Ontario). Of course this would assume that not every inch of Canada would get cell phone coverage.. anyways i do not think it can be argued that more competition and less regulation would not be a good thing for Canada. I do not think anyone here can honestly say that they feel Canada's wireless industry is as good as it can be..

Posted by: story

I was talking with a Nokia rep. He said a BIG order for Rogers might be 100,000 phones, but VODAFONE probably order 100,000 a week. But Rogers want this and that added on and have to test everything so that's why it's so much trouble to deal with them.

Posted by: Evil Ernie

You know nothing. I'm sick of people who compare phones/network/prices to Europe/Asia.... COMPLETELY different dynamic.... fuel costs more in Europe , cell phones cost less.... and BTW those providers in Europe are generally all owned by tha same companies with different branding....

Rogers was the first provider to introduce video calling in North America and the first to introduce HSPA on tha 850 band. Hardly tha LEAST developed wirelessly developed country in tha world....

If you want a Kaiser (TyTN 2) than buy one off of eBay like everyone else....

You sound like a European BTW. Nothing but arrogance.... forget Americans, Europeans are the TRUE BANE of any cell phone rep in Canada....

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Originally Posted by viking5000

Posted by: JwY

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...=1276569&page=1

Stop making new threads on topics that are still active.

Posted by: pierrohhh

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Originally Posted by nolimtzel

agreed. the average rogers customer would rather see a ****** iphone with edge, rather than a advanced device with gps, hsdpa and true smart phone capabilities.

that would probably crash at least once a day thx to windows mobile...

Posted by: DigitalFreeze

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Originally Posted by pierrohhh

that would probably crash at least once a day thx to windows mobile...

umm not really. I can't remember the last time my trinity crashed. There is no denying that the Tytn II is superior device to the iPhone, specs wise.

Posted by: pierrohhh

my qtek 9100 back in the days would at least crash once a day. left a bitter taste in my mouth. u are right tho. there is more stuff in the tytn. but the added thickness goes with it

Posted by: viking5000

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

You know nothing. I'm sick of people who compare phones/network/prices to Europe/Asia.... COMPLETELY different dynamic.... fuel costs more in Europe , cell phones cost less.... and BTW those providers in Europe are generally all owned by tha same companies with different branding....

Rogers was the first provider to introduce video calling in North America and the first to introduce HSPA on tha 850 band. Hardly tha LEAST developed wirelessly developed country in tha world....

If you want a Kaiser (TyTN 2) than buy one off of eBay like everyone else....

You sound like a European BTW. Nothing but arrogance.... forget Americans, Europeans are the TRUE BANE of any cell phone rep in Canada....

you seem to have all the answers...
Facts are:
1) Wireless penetration is way less in Canada than in MOST of Western World
2) Canadians unfortunately pay more for service than comparable countries

It is not a discussion or matter that Europe is better - it is just that things can be better here..but I gather from your post that you think Rogers is a good as it can be - and that the wireless industry in Canada with ONE gsm operator is just great,,

I can buy 1 or 5 Tytn II if I want - that is not the issue.. Competition foster innovation and technology adoption..that is not the case with one GSM carrier.

More developed countries have payment, traffic, SMS, point of purchase services etc that are much further along than Canada and the US - as a result of competition and industry friendly environment

Having worked in the wireless industry in both Europe and Asia (and not as a CSR) I can assure you there are rooms for improvements here both on the regulatory and business side... I am not sure what different dynamics you are referring to- those are most likely created by a more welcoming and open regulatory environment allowing for competition and hence also driving innovation, flexibility and opportunities for customers...

The fact that you mention fuel costs in Europe is completely irrelevant - it is due to one and one thing only: taxation of fossil fuels

You are way off my friend...look at the stats and facts before you start bashing people and calling them arrogant.

Posted by: Sparro

I was at a Rogers store today inquiring about the Kaiser. The guy said they are getting them, but didn't know or didn't want to tell me when.
Anyone hear a release date yet?

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

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Originally Posted by JwY

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...=1276569&page=1

Stop making new threads on topics that are still active.

merged them both together

Posted by: Sparro

??? wtf ???
I never made a new thread, I just posted in an existing one?
You guys should learn to read!

Posted by: Cosmic Blue

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Originally Posted by Sparro

??? wtf ???
I never made a new thread, I just posted in an existing one?
You guys should learn to read!

there werew 2 threads about the tytn II at the time they made that post since then I believe the 2 threads were merged.

Posted by: JwY

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Originally Posted by WoNGsTeR

merged them both together

Thank you.

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparro

??? wtf ???
I never made a new thread, I just posted in an existing one?
You guys should learn to read!

from what i remember you were in the older thread.. so it wasnt u.. but somebody created a 2nd tytn 2 thread.. so i just mreged it with this one..

Posted by: tehqtip

So any word on how long it's going to take Rogers to distribute the TyTN II ? I want to sign a 3 year with rogers (tired of Fido) but if it's going to be longer than February then I might as well sign now...

Posted by: Ryan_Phillips

ARG! I can't take it anymore! THERE IS NO WORD! NO ONE KNOWS...

If we did, it would be posted here.

Posted by: EldonSmith

Ok... Rogers IS getting the TyTN 2... will it be before Christmas for the public? NO.

So if you want it for Christmas then you will not be getting it from Rogers.

If you think you can wait a couple more months then you will get it from Rogers...

Posted by: Ryan_Phillips

And all of us that work for Rogers PROMISE to post the date the second we know the exact release date...

Posted by: mic2074

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! where's the TYTN II ?????

Posted by: zax123

I wish I knew

Posted by: ShiroX

Come one Rogers!
Give us the phone already!!!!!!!

Posted by: migo

It seems the TyTN can't be purchased from the Rogers store anymore, so it's probably not too long now before the T2 is available.

Posted by: john0213

anyways, it is going to be very expensive just like the tytn~

Posted by: Hans_Moleman

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Originally Posted by migo

It seems the TyTN can't be purchased from the Rogers store anymore, so it's probably not too long now before the T2 is available.

I just saw a TyTn at a Rogers store not even a week ago

Posted by: Groove996

/me patiently awaits the Kaiser

Posted by: migo

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Originally Posted by Hans_Moleman

I just saw a TyTn at a Rogers store not even a week ago

A physical location?

I was talking about the online one. They have it listed but you can't buy it anymore.

Posted by: Hans_Moleman

Quote:

Originally Posted by migo

A physical location?

I was talking about the online one. They have it listed but you can't buy it anymore.

at a store in a mall in Winnipeg

Posted by: danbuhler

Doesn't Rogers usually release phones March each year?

Damn that's a long time to put up with the first TyTN.

Posted by: cer01

Hey TyTN II wankers! eBay!!!!!!

http://search.ebay.ca/HTC-tytn-II_W...sprZ0QQsbrsrtZd

Who cares about Rogers' stores. If you want your bloody TyTN II's, there they are! Rogers missed the ball (Holiday shopping season) so why give them any cash now?

Posted by: mic2074

Quote:

Originally Posted by cer01

Hey TyTN II wankers! eBay!!!!!!

http://search.ebay.ca/HTC-tytn-II_W...sprZ0QQsbrsrtZd

Who cares about Rogers' stores. If you want your bloody TyTN II's, there they are! Rogers missed the ball (Holiday shopping season) so why give them any cash now?

well, it's cheaper with contract... some have credits on their accounts they can use to make it even cheaper... and warranty with Rogers.

Of course, there are disadvantages with all branded phones... but ppl like myself are still waiting for the reasons mentioned above.

Posted by: ericlin0122

i saw a TyTn II in the new chinese T&T supermarket last week in Calgary.
It was a Rogers store, just like many others in malls.
i think they might have it.

Posted by: mic2074

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Originally Posted by ericlin0122

i saw a TyTn II in the new chinese T&T supermarket last week in Calgary.
It was a Rogers store, just like many others in malls.
i think they might have it.

I'm not doubting that you saw it, but are you sure they were only selling Rogers products - as some Chinese Rogers vendors may try to sell other phones besides Rogers.

If it's Rogers - then this is the first sighting... woooowhoooo.

Posted by: ericlin0122

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Originally Posted by mic2074

I am pretty sure they only sell rogers product, and on the phone description, it says TyTn II and 256 MB ROM. That's all I remember.
I will double check this week.

Posted by: mic2074

if this guy is telling the truth - looks like Rogers is trying to clear out the TYTN to make room for the TYTN II

$100 bucks for TYTN w/ 3 yr contract.

http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/...763#post6204763

Posted by: JwY

What I do is sell a cheaper contract phone and the money made goes toward whatever unlocked device I want. That is if you don't want to wait.

Posted by: ericlin0122

All right guys.
I double checked for u guys today.
The sales man says:
$299 / with 3 yr
$699 / phone only
They have to order from Rogers, and the phone will send to their store, and you can pick up there.
And the TyTn is $30 different from TyTn II.
This confirms Rogers do have TyTn II in stock, they just want to clean up as much TyTn as they can.

Posted by: mic2074

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlin0122

All right guys.
I double checked for u guys today.
The sales man says:
$299 / with 3 yr
$699 / phone only
They have to order from Rogers, and the phone will send to their store, and you can pick up there.
And the TyTn is $30 different from TyTn II.
This confirms Rogers do have TyTn II in stock, they just want to clean up as much TyTn as they can.

wooowhooooo... thanks ! wondering if the Ontario stores have them yet.

Posted by: billmad

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Originally Posted by ericlin0122

Do you know if it's TyTn II or another version of it like AT&T's Tilt?

Posted by: zax123

Wow it really surprises me that just one Rogers store in Canada can get it so far... I wonder when the general release is going to happen.

Posted by: Cosmic Blue

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Originally Posted by zax123

Wow it really surprises me that just one Rogers store in Canada can get it so far... I wonder when the general release is going to happen.

No roger's store has it. If you read his post more closely.

Quote:

They have to order from Rogers, and the phone will send to their store, and you can pick up there.

it is a special order item that will be shipped to the store as needed.

General release may not be until february/march 2008.

Posted by: ericlin0122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmic Blue

No roger's store has it. If you read his post more closely.

Ya, they are not in store, but they can order it (not pre-order).
That rogers store in the chinese supermarket is the only store I seem so far that can order TyTn II. The many other rogers store(ie. in the malls), they do not do that.
So depending on ur luck, probly visit some rogers store in chinatown near u to get the order.

Posted by: billmad

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Originally Posted by ericlin0122

You realize that's not a Rogers TyTn II they would order for you?!

Posted by: mic2074

Quote:

Originally Posted by billmad

You realize that's not a Rogers TyTn II they would order for you?!

it should be a Rogers - otherwise, I can't see how they can give it to you for $299. Even with the money they get from the 3 year contract, they would probably lose money given that it still retails for $750+. So, without it being subsidize, that price is near impossible for the dealers. That's my two pennies - I could be wrong.

Posted by: super_bobert

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Originally Posted by ericlin0122

TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAATZ can you confirm?

Posted by: EldonSmith

NO Rogers store has a TyTN II that came from Rogers.

Rogers does NOT have it available to ANY dealers YET.

The release date has not EVEN been set officially...

Don't waste your time on the Chinese knock offs!

Posted by: Evil Ernie

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Originally Posted by mic2074

You go right ahead and get your ROGERS TyTN 2... dealers have their ways of reducing price....

Posted by: mic2074

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

You go right ahead and get your ROGERS TyTN 2... dealers have their ways of reducing price....

I would give it a shot, if I was in Calgary. There's enough safeguards to take the chance - T&T is reputable & responsible enough that they won't allow scams to take place in their stores, thus, should have check out all vendors in their stores are legit... and as long as the order is on Rogers letterheads, you have another party that you can go after should it be a scam.

Even if it's not a Rogers TYTN II - so long as it's not a knock off from China (which probably doesn't exist for TYTN II), $299 is a great deal - even with the 3 yr contract.

Posted by: Holishi

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic2074

Even if it's not a Rogers TYTN II - so long as it's not a knock off from China (which probably doesn't exist for TYTN II), $299 is a great deal - even with the 3 yr contract.

China even has the knock off of the Wii console, I can't see what else they can't counterfeit.

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

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Originally Posted by ericlin0122

can you find out if its actually the htc tytn 2 4550? or is it another version of the tytn2 like at&t's tilt? cause if rogers does finally come out with the tytn2 would love to have the camera on the front...

Posted by: jfeap

You guys are all idiots. "Don't get it from China, they're knock-offs". If you haven't noticed, everything is made in China.

Posted by: EldonSmith

Have you been living under a rock and have no idea about the chinese knock offs ??

Seriously... You don't seem to understand the different between a phone being made a COMPANY and a phone being made in a back alley somewhere...

Posted by: mic2074

I have no doubt China can make knock offs for everything... but just have not heard or seen any HTC knock-offs... and all because the Rogers vendor is located in a Chinese supermarket does not mean they will get you a knock off.

As some have mentioned, Rogers does have the TYTN II - just not released. I suspect the vendor in questions somehow has a lead on ordering it.

Posted by: EldonSmith

Yep... and that's what I said... They do have it... it's just NOT available to you, me or anyone else who isn't a direct employee of Rogers (if even them...)

So everyone needs to sit tight and wait until they officially release it....

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

ok if rogers does have the tytn 2 in the warehouse ... does anybody know which version they have? is it the actual kaiser 4550? or is it the at&t wireless version??

Posted by: super_bobert

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfeap

You guys are all idiots. "Don't get it from China, they're knock-offs". If you haven't noticed, everything is made in China.

hehe ya

and word on the street is that one of the iphone clones is infact better than the iphone

Posted by: zax123

So far, it has not been independently confirmed that Rogers actually has the TyTN II in their warehouses. I would guess that they probably don't, but I could be wrong. For now, I would say we wait until it is available for general release.

Posted by: Holishi

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfeap

You guys are all idiots. "Don't get it from China, they're knock-offs". If you haven't noticed, everything is made in China.

Doh! You can't tell the difference between mass production and original design manufacturer, can you? Mass production => China (due to cheap labour). Original design manufacturer => from people who don't make knock offs (some where else other than China).

Posted by: Evil Ernie

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic2074

T&T reputable....??

For the record Rogers dealers CAN offer unlocked phones with or without contracts. Rogers strongly discourages this but they will not go against a company which makes them alot of money....

Just let it be known that it is NOT a rogers TyTN 2. Just one direct from tha manufacturer or unlocked from a different provider (if they were locked in tha first place)....

Posted by: EldonSmith

Yes Rogers dealers can sell unlocked phones but....

It could cost the store their contract with Rogers...
At least that's what I was told.

Posted by: thehabs24

I live in calgary and I just came back from that store, and I can tell you that they do not and cannot get the Tytn II. They have a display with a Tytn I there and the description says Tytn II. The salesperson says that its a mistake and that rogers does not have that and they cannot get it right now. He said they may eventually get it but not right now.

Posted by: EldonSmith

Rogers stores have gotten the TyTN II Display cards which means that they are probably getting the device sometime... soon.

Posted by: B18C5er

Quote:

Originally Posted by EldonSmith

Rogers stores have gotten the TyTN II Display cards which means that they are probably getting the device sometime... soon.

They've had those display cards since around the beginning of Q4 last year.

Posted by: thehabs24

obviously the display cards are wrong. even the rogers rep told me that. this thread is pointless. i want the phone myself but all this speculation is not helping

Posted by: cer01

Quote:

Originally Posted by EldonSmith

Yes Rogers dealers can sell unlocked phones but....

It could cost the store their contract with Rogers...
At least that's what I was told.

I wonder why Rogers is so terrified of unlocked phones...There are no competitors in their primary service area(s).

Perhaps if Rogers had reasonable roaming rates for subscribers taking their handsets into the USA, subs wouldn't even bother with USA paygo SIMs.

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by cer01

They're not afraid. It's just so that phones can be standardized and so that people don't blame Rogers when something goes wrong. For example warranty issues. Most people don't even know what 850MHZ is so if they get an unlocked device without it and blamed Rogers for bad reception. It also makes it hard for them to train staff to take care of issues. Product support in other words.

Posted by: lcohen999

So looking at all my US travel coming up, it was cheaper to buy a 2 year contract plan with AT&T.

So in the process I picked up the Tilt, unlocked it (for $15) and have swapped sim cards with my Tytn. A little role reversal

Any way, what a great phone. It feels a lot better than the Tytn, brigher screen, better finish and takes 1/2 the time to search and find an network (roaming or 3G -> 3). Well worth the $$!

All I gave up is the front facing camera which, truthfully I never used.

Posted by: john0213

btw an official rogers dealer is able to order an unlocked "tilt" (not tytn II) to the store and give it to you for $299 IF you do subscript onto a 3yrs $40 or $60 dollar data plan.

i can confirmed it because i can do it if i wish to.

Posted by: mic2074

Quote:

Originally Posted by john0213

btw an official rogers dealer is able to order an unlocked "tilt" (not tytn II) to the store and give it to you for $299 IF you do subscript onto a 3yrs $40 or $60 dollar data plan.

i can confirmed it because i can do it if i wish to.

curious to know where the tilt is coming from - direct from AT&T ?

Posted by: Evil Ernie

^^ seeing as ATT is tha one who markets tha 'tilt' it would have to be them.... other versions of tha kaiser (tytn2) will be called something else....

I anticipate since Rogers released tha unbranded TyTN (video conferencing camera and all) I expect this one to be th same....

Posted by: mic2074

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

^^ seeing as ATT is tha one who markets tha 'tilt' it would have to be them.... other versions of tha kaiser (tytn2) will be called something else....

I anticipate since Rogers released tha unbranded TyTN (video conferencing camera and all) I expect this one to be th same....

I was wondering if the order is directly from AT&T, for a Rogers order. Since it was stated as unlocked AT&T - I would think that it'd be order by a third party, unlocked, and then sold to you since AT&T will not sell unlocked phones. Other words, no different than buying from BST, except you don't have to sign contract on BST.

I think you're right - Rogers will probably have the unaltered TYTN II... so, I am eagerly waiting.

Posted by: lcohen999

Why would Rogers order a phone from AT&T? That doesn't make any sense.

Rogers will order the rogers branded (same as the unbranded) TyTn II. Just with Rogers crap and SIM locked. It will have nothing to do with AT&T

Posted by: Evil Ernie

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic2074

I knew what u were saying. All I was saying is that calling tha TyTN 2 the 'TILT' is an ATT thing and will probably not be adopted by anyone else.

There probably is a differencein buying from tha BST forum and this. Most likely tha dealer is able to give a discount (through various methods) if a contract is signed. Buying a TyTN 2 outright USUALLY costs between $600-$850...

So if you're paying $300-$400 on a 3 year that is not too bad....

Posted by: Evil Ernie

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcohen999

Why would Rogers order a phone from AT&T? That doesn't make any sense.

Rogers will order the rogers branded (same as the unbranded) TyTn II. Just with Rogers crap and SIM locked. It will have nothing to do with AT&T

NO CARRIER orders phones from another..... that's what tha manufacturer is for.... seeing as they get a bulk discount for ordering so many and marketing it....

Posted by: john0213

just so to clarify what i said,

I said it can be done with a At & T tilt because the base price for a tilt and a tytn II is different

You do get a discount off when you get a tilt in a rogers store with a three year contract. the math is complicated and only the rogers sales rep will know how to play those numbers, but yes, it is plausible.

however, the normal tytn II can't be done for $299 because the comission math and all that stuff just doesn't work out~

u can check them out on ebay, tilt is at $550-650 range, tytn II is at $800-$850 range

Posted by: mic2074

two new phones from Rogers so far this week... here's hoping for TYTN II release tomorrow...

can any insider provide a glimse of hope ? I've heard it's being demo'ed now by Rogers ppl.

Posted by: zax123

Which two phones were introduced thus far?

Posted by: Evil Ernie

which new phones....?? tha last one I remember was the i616.....

And phones are usually released on Tuesdays..... so don't expect anything tomorrow.... could be wrong, but....

Posted by: mic2074

Monday - Samsung Jack

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314337

Tuesday - Pink SE W580, well not a new phone, just new colour

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1315002

WEDNESDAY - HTC TYTN II, please !

Posted by: kmckmc

Has anyone noticed the price of TYTN has been lowered again from 299.99/3y to 199.99/3y ?
(although I'm not sure it can be ordered online or not)
I hope this means something..

Posted by: mr_yellow

Sweet! Thank god I waited to HUP or else I'd be stuck with a crummy LG TU720....

Posted by: WorldIRC

TyTN II will be coming on March 23rd at approximately 7:23AM

Posted by: EL820

Quote:

Originally Posted by WorldIRC

TyTN II will be coming on March 23rd at approximately 7:23AM

That's a lie!!

March 23rd lands on Sunday.

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by EL820

That's a lie!!

March 23rd lands on Sunday.

He didn't say what year.

Posted by: mic2074

Pearl 2 launch... that's 3 new phones this week, and not a peep for the TYTN II... arrrrgggghhhhhhhh !!!!!

http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1316396

Posted by: snugglebunny

The title says it all.

Posted by: hjlow

never, and its got issues anyway (no proper graphics driver)

Posted by: EldonSmith

There is already a huge topic on this... please search.

They ARE going to get it unless something really bad happens...
But no one knows when.

After all... dealers have had the display cards for awhile...

Posted by: Evil Ernie

get it off of ebay for crissakes....

and tha graphics driver is fine. Just not as good as it could be with tha Qualcomm Processor. They'll get released eventually....

The Kaiser is a great device. However there is already a huge thread on this. Pls search first.....

Posted by: Rumball

I don't think it will be too long from now...on the XDA-Developers website there is already a leaked Tytn-II ROM developed for Rogers (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...=364789&page=3). It even has a few Rogers applications pre-installed.

I have a HTC-branded Tytn-II and flashed the Rogers ROM onto it. Works like a charm!

Posted by: zax123

That's great news! Does your tester contact have any way of knowing when Rogers will release the handset?

Posted by: Tyler QB

son of a ....... i just bought one yesterday. i have a hup and i've been waiting for the kaiser to come out. question is will it have the front facing camera for vision calling

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler QB

son of a ....... i just bought one yesterday. i have a hup and i've been waiting for the kaiser to come out. question is will it have the front facing camera for vision calling

Just enjoy your purchase. I know I did almost half a year ago when it came out.

Posted by: Dunlop

uhhh I know 4 people who already have the tytn II on Roger's network!

Roger has everything.

Roger is good.

Posted by: static

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler QB

son of a ....... i just bought one yesterday. i have a hup and i've been waiting for the kaiser to come out. question is will it have the front facing camera for vision calling

Your saying you have just done a HUP and they say they have the tytn II?
hopefully that is the case... would be way over due. Just hope they have not mistaken the tytn for the II.

Posted by: Tyler QB

^^ The Rogers rom for the tytn II has been leaked which means the release is ridiculously close. I have a hardware upgrade available to me but i just bought a tilt seperately.

Posted by: faibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by static

Your saying you have just done a HUP and they say they have the tytn II?
hopefully that is the case... would be way over due. Just hope they have not mistaken the tytn for the II.

re-read the guys post man

Posted by: static

@faibs
He's either shocked it was available to him or he's annoyed that he bought one and it now looks like it will launch...
When one doesn't quote anyone you can only assume and I chose to question... but thanks for your input man.

Posted by: faibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by static

@faibs
He's either shocked it was available to him or he's annoyed that he bought one and it now looks like it will launch...
When one doesn't quote anyone you can only assume and I chose to question... but thanks for your input man.

he is saying he bought one AND he has a HUP available. not that he got one through HUP.

Posted by: zax123

What is a HUP, and what does it mean to people like me who are desperately waiting for the TyTN II?

Posted by: NerdyBlog

HUP = Hardware Upgrade. It means based on your total revenue tier, you get a certain hardware subsidy.

Posted by: zax123

I just spoke with a sales manager at Rogers. He tells me that Rogers will not be carrying the TyTN II but instead will be getting the TyTN III in May or June. First of all, I've never heard of a TyTN III and secondly, what this guy tells me is hardly ever reliable. But I'm just putting it out there...

Posted by: Holishi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler QB

^^ The Rogers rom for the tytn II has been leaked which means the release is ridiculously close. I have a hardware upgrade available to me but i just bought a tilt seperately.

The Rogers ROM for the Tytn II has already been finalized and ready long time ago. I believe the shipment has already been made, now it's up to Rogers when they will deliver the devices to the hands of the customers.

Posted by: Haz

I've been waiting for an official Rogers TyTN II for a while since my old TyTN is was and still is serving me well. I think I'm gonna pass on the TyTN II. Saving my pennies for the SE Xperia X1.

Posted by: rkpoole49

damn how long do i have to wait for this phone..just release it already and with some good data plan also

Posted by: zax123

Haz,

The Xperia X1 looks amazing! I want it too, but I'd take the TyTN II in the meantime. I think it'll be a while before we see the X1 at a somewhat reasonable price.

I am so annoyed that my Rogers contact tells me they are waiting for the TyTN III. What the heck is a TyTN III? I wonder if they mean the X1 since the X1 is manufactured by HTC...

Posted by: lcohen999

there is no TyTn III, just B.S.

Get the Tilt on ebay and call it a day!

Posted by: rkpoole49

rather wait for the actual tyn II to come to rogers cause also rumoured a new plan will be made cause of that phones release..im guessing a better data plan!!

Posted by: JwY

The TyTN III won't be out for quite a while.

Posted by: lcohen999

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkpoole49

rather wait for the actual tyn II to come to rogers cause also rumoured a new plan will be made cause of that phones release..im guessing a better data plan!!

Unless you are hard core into video calling, there is no advantage to the Tytn II vs the Tilt.

Posted by: faibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcohen999

Unless you are hard core into video calling, there is no advantage to the Tytn II vs the Tilt.

arent the tytn II and tilt the same phone?

Posted by: lcohen999

Quote:

Originally Posted by faibs

arent the tytn II and tilt the same phone?

Tilt has the front "video calling" camera deleted

Makes it look like a better device IMHO

Posted by: JwY

Plus the colour scheme and branding. I hate the white numberpad and all chrome keys personally.

Posted by: rkpoole49

its just im going to get a new plan with rogers so rather get the phone from them then to buy a tilt then go on a plan

Posted by: bc boy

Does anyone have any further updates on the release of the Tytn II ?

On March 4th I was talking to one of the clerks at the Rogers store who quite surprisingly was very knowledgeable on the Tytn II and said that it was currently in Testing. He said when a phone is tested for about 4 months. We should hopefully see it in April or May.

Hopefully sooner if anyone else has any other information ??

Posted by: Andrew777

I was in Banff Alberta on March 9 and a Rogers dealer had the paper summary sheet posted for the TYTN II, although they didn’t have the phone yet. The saleslady said the Rogers reps usually bring them the paperwork first (which they had), then the fake demo phone, then a few days later the actual phones. So it should probably be out very soon. They might be waiting till the second quarter to put it on the shelves for financial reasons.

Posted by: linuxhead

You know all this waiting makes us go crazy with checking everyday to see if there is any new information on the TyTn II. I will say that I strongly believe that the TyTN II will launch sometime in Q2 for sure. Some stores just recently got the products specs which is a good sign while some stores had it for a while. You can no longer get the TyTn in stores but only online which is another good sign. TyTn is end of life. Rogers is trying to keep this phone under wraps but are making little mistakes on their website constantly.

I just recently found this link on Rogers for accessories for the TyTn II french version but no pictures are available.

http://your.rogers.com/business/wir...PhoneSku=123502

Posted by: linuxhead

Here is the link off the accessories page for the english one.

http://your.rogers.com/business/wir...PhoneSku=123501

Posted by: Andrew777

Here is another link to drive you crazy ;> When it's up, your in luck:

http://your.rogers.com/business/wir...IIREN&summary=1

Posted by: lcohen999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew777

Here is another link to drive you crazy ;> When it's up, your in luck:

http://your.rogers.com/business/wir...IIREN&summary=1

PAlease

check out this link!

http://your.rogers.com/business/wir...U MS&summary=1

same thing..

Posted by: kmckmc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew777

Here is another link to drive you crazy ;> When it's up, your in luck:

http://your.rogers.com/business/wir...IIREN&summary=1

Weird..
Why are the spec looks like TyTN 1 's ?

Posted by: static

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcohen999

PAlease

check out this link!

http://your.rogers.com/business/wir...U MS&summary=1

same thing..

ah but its not the same... the tytnii has specs... howardforums does not. Also the accessories page actually states the name...
All goes to prove that robers might actually be real with this device.

Posted by: toj

Quote:

Originally Posted by linuxhead

... You can no longer get the TyTn in stores but only online which is another good sign. TyTn is end of life. Rogers is trying to keep this phone under wraps but are making little mistakes on their website constantly. ..

I got my hopes up when I read this awhile back, but yesterday I was running around doing some shopping with the kids and passed 3 separate Rogers retailers (2 in Toronto and 1 in Newmarket). All three had TyTns on display AND in stock. One of them said he had 'plenty' of them.

None knew anything about the TyTn II coming out. However they did say that they often only get 2 or 3 days notice of new phones.

Maybe not as imminent as we'd hoped

Posted by: EldonSmith

Chances of going into ANY store or calling ANY csr and getting a launch date are pretty... SLIM...

There is probably less than 100 people who would know a launch date of a phone...

Posted by: toj

True. My point wasn't about the store having no idea, more to answer the earlier post of them (TyTns) not being available anywhere in store anymore. Obviously not true when they were available in each of the only 3 stores I visited.

Posted by: EldonSmith

I know of a store that still sells Nokia 6620's so anything is possible haha.

Posted by: Evil Ernie

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcohen999

Tilt has the front "video calling" camera deleted

Makes it look like a better device IMHO

I have to agree. Plus tha AT&T branding gets people talking...

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I have to agree. Plus tha AT&T branding gets people talking...

Talking about the ugly AT&T keypads.

Posted by: zax123

My Rogers rep INSISTS that Rogers will never be carrying the TyTN II. He says they tested it but that they will not be putting it on their network. Is he wrong?

Posted by: linuxhead

Quote:

Originally Posted by toj

True. My point wasn't about the store having no idea, more to answer the earlier post of them (TyTns) not being available anywhere in store anymore. Obviously not true when they were available in each of the only 3 stores I visited.

toj........You will find some TYTNs still in certains stores because they may have had a good stock of them. Once they sell out I can guarantee you that they will not be able to get any more. I asked a Roger's rep yesterday if they had anymore more TYTNs and he said that he just sold the last one the day before and they will not be getting anymore in. I then asked him about the TYTN II and I got the little devious smile and he said that they are due to upgrade the HTC line with a new phone soon. He said Q2 for sure but couldn't say when. He also stated that they are still testing it.

Posted by: Evil Ernie

^^ And how pray-tel does this guy know... Dealers do not know sheet... The only one who MAY know something is Treatz...

Posted by: zax123

My rep works at Rogers HQ in Montreal and spoke directly to the tech team that tested the phone. They told him it wasn't going to be released, but of course, they could be telling him that just to keep things hush hush.

Posted by: Snoopygis

My friend's uncle's 2nd cousin's mother's aunt's former roommate said that it's definitely coming to Rogers, but then my friend's uncle's 2nd cousin's mother's son's former roommate said that it's definitely not coming to Rogers.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Posted by: static

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snoopygis

My friend's uncle's 2nd cousin's mother's aunt's former roommate said that it's definitely coming to Rogers, but then my friend's uncle's 2nd cousin's mother's son's former roommate said that it's definitely not coming to Rogers.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

You forgot to mention the one about the Tytn II being canned and replaced by the X1.

Posted by: linuxhead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

^^ And how pray-tel does this guy know... Dealers do not know sheet... The only one who MAY know something is Treatz...

I'm quite sure all the reps/cogs have to signs a non-disclosure regardless of their position in the company. Second it is very hard to keep something quiet when it's very popular no matter what type of company you work for. As humans we have an urge to want to tell. Anyways I have talked to a couple reps now that have said the same thing. Some were absolutely clueless, no doubt. Same thing in my company.

Posted by: zax123

Quote:

Originally Posted by static

You forgot to mention the one about the Tytn II being canned and replaced by the X1.

If the Xperia X1 were available now in North America, I would drop my quest for the TyTN II immediately. It's so beautiful!

Posted by: daemonic

I was in a Rogers store the other day that said they had all the TyTn II literature out on display and their rep came and pulled it all (without any explanation). Not sure what to make of that.

I will say this however. I flashed the Rogers ROM onto my TyTN II and I pity anyone that gets stuck with that version. I've only ever seen one other ROM that slow and that was the original HTC ROM. Also, being based on Windows Mobile 6.0 with an outdated Radio doesn't help it out at all. The only differences I saw were the "Rogers" splash screen and the "Do More" button that basically links you to a preset website with links to "helpful" info (much like iNavigate was it? can't remember the name). Oh ya, don't forget the tacky Rogers_White and Rogers_Red WM themes that HTC Touch owners may be familiar with

Posted by: hjlow

well its the only ROM for Kaiser with name display though

Posted by: daemonic

I don't know about you but I will gladly sacrifice Name Display for better battery life, threaded SMS, incredible speed and responsiveness, faster GPS lock and better overall performance. In fact I'd sacrifice Name Display just to have the screen redraw itself in less than 30 seconds while going from portrait to landscape mode. But maybe that's just me

Posted by: Rumball

Quote:

Originally Posted by daemonic

I flashed the Rogers ROM onto my TyTN II and I pity anyone that gets stuck with that version. I've only ever seen one other ROM that slow and that was the original HTC ROM. Also, being based on Windows Mobile 6.0 with an outdated Radio doesn't help it out at all. The only differences I saw were the "Rogers" splash screen and the "Do More" button that basically links you to a preset website with links to "helpful" info (much like iNavigate was it? can't remember the name). Oh ya, don't forget the tacky Rogers_White and Rogers_Red WM themes that HTC Touch owners may be familiar with

Hmm...that's weird. I flash the Rogers ROM onto my HTC-branded TyTN-II and don't have any of the issues you mentioned. Quite responsive, actually, after you make a few tweaks to it. It's a keeper until HTC releases their WM6.1 update.

Posted by: daemonic

Why wait for HTC to release a WM6.1 update? I've tried at least 5 different 6.1 ROMs so far and finally settled on one that has everything I need. My biggest test is always how fast the ROM "feels". It can win all the benchmarks in the world but if it feels sluggish then I'd rather not bother with it. I've seen a wide range of results from people using the same ROM too so I guess maybe the Roger's ROM could actually be quick for some and dreadfully slow for others(like me). But even if they've found a way to make it fast on the Roger's TyTN II you'd still be stuck on WM6.0.

Posted by: Evil Ernie

Quote:

Originally Posted by linuxhead

And you base this non-disclosure theory on what?? I am a dealer rep and I don't know. The CSR's don't know. WHY would Rogers tell us...?? So that we can post it all over the internet...

I will repeat this. NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. NOBODY CARES IF THE TYTN 2 COMES (EXCEPT A SMALL NUMBER). HELL, NOBODY EVEN KNOWS WHAT IT IS...

I love people who base things they're pretty sure of on PURE speculation...

Posted by: Holishi

Quote:

Originally Posted by daemonic

Why wait for HTC to release a WM6.1 update? I've tried at least 5 different 6.1 ROMs so far and finally settled on one that has everything I need. My biggest test is always how fast the ROM "feels". It can win all the benchmarks in the world but if it feels sluggish then I'd rather not bother with it. I've seen a wide range of results from people using the same ROM too so I guess maybe the Roger's ROM could actually be quick for some and dreadfully slow for others(like me). But even if they've found a way to make it fast on the Roger's TyTN II you'd still be stuck on WM6.0.

Where did you get your Rogers ROM from? Mind to share its ROM and radio stack version? The most updated formal Rogers ROM is 1.83.631.4 and using 22.51.88.13H_1.27.15.32 radio. It works pretty snappy for me so far.

Posted by: Andrew777

Well,I finally decided to throw in the towel and just order a TYTN II outside of Rogers. Guess I’ll use the hardware upgrade for something else. Wish I would have ordered it sooner, but always thought it was coming any day from Rogers.

As for the mention of the TYTN 3, my guess is the sales reps are referring to the pager from Rogers (had a sales rep make the same mistake): http://www.suntelecom.com/page_1way/titan3.htm

As for those of you waiting....be strong....should be out by Christmas ;>

Cheers.

Posted by: daemonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holishi

That's the exact Rogers ROM i tested. As far as i know it's the only one that's been leaked. Nothing beats Dutty's 6.1 ROMs for me so far. Besides, after having threaded SMS, registry editors, advanced config etc etc etc built right into the ROM it's really hard to go back to a stripped down ROM like the Rogers version.

The reason I even tried another ROM in the first place was because after watching some YouTube video of how fast the TyTN II could switch from Portrait to Landscape mode I realized I had a really slow ROM. The Rogers ROM was exactly the same as my original HTC ROM if not slower. Couldn't stand it

Posted by: linuxhead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

You got to love how people put their foot in their mouth. You need to reread your last sentence carefully.

Just because you don't know Mr. dealer rep (everyone is a dealer on this site) you speculate that everyone else doesn't know.

Who is saying that Rogers as an entity is telling their employees. What I have implied is that no secrets can be kept no matter what company you work for. Of course there is always the left out few like yourself who know absolutely nothing and imply that your truth of knowing nothing is the absolute truth.

If no one cares about the tytn II why are you even in this forum? It seems to me like a lot of people care about the tytn II from the dealer that I talk to. Maybe your store doesn't get that much action.

Sounds like you're just bitter. I really don't care what you repeat. I’ll tell you what I won’t repeat is responding to you again.

Posted by: cng.

I'm hoping for an update to Tytn II with 6.1, 5 megapixel camera that can compete with N95/96 and Touch UI (with flush screen) for good measures.

Even if not an update, a device on the same level would be nice. Otherwise, Sony Ericson Xperia X1 for me please.

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by cng.

I'm hoping for an update to Tytn II with 6.1, 5 megapixel camera that can compete with N95/96 and Touch UI (with flush screen) for good measures.

Even if not an update, a device on the same level would be nice. Otherwise, Sony Ericson Xperia X1 for me please.

I doubt they'll make the TyTN series like that since it's not their multimedia line.

Posted by: bc boy

Does anyone have any further updates to the release of the TYTN II? I know of a few stores where the reps have mentioned that they have received literature on the phone, but they still do not know the release date. Would Rogers release a phone this month prior to making any announcements? Next release month would be August.

Posted by: Mach1Chris

I'm wondering the same thing as bc boy... anyone know anything?

Posted by: jid

What I was told that its gonig to be released sometime this summer, as well as the new treo which will be released end of july. Which is the reason why they're not going to release a 6.1 WM update for the treo 750