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Did it, upgraded to 1.1.2 from 1.1.1/ipsf w/iMac
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Posted by: Lestat_d

Thought I would share my feedback on my upgrade from 1.1.1 unlocked via Iphone Sim Free (when I was 1.0.2) -- to 1.1.2 firmware.

I started in 1.1.1 with installing OkToPrep via installer.
Upgraded in itunes to 1.1.2
Ran conceited softwares 1.1.2 jailbreak, crossing fingers while phone rebooted twice

Done. 15 minutes and painless. As an extra bonus -- didn't have to reload settings, music, pictures or anything.

Most importantly -- no re-unlock and prepping downgrade was needed -- my IPSF unlock done way back when I was 1.0.2 still held! I didn't have to upgrade to 1.1.2 to grab new baseband, downgrade to unlock again, and then re-upgrade to 1.1.2; nope -- went straight from 1.1.1 and the IPSF unlock held.

My personal feedback? Each time a new firmware comes out -- I see people go through a lot of pain and extra steps to do an upgrade, because while AnySim is free -- it has to be re-done with each new baseband. My $60 IPSF purchase was for me money well spent.

My only remaining fear, is what happens if I have to do a restore for some reason to fix glitches in 1.1.2. Do I just restore 1.1.1, OkToPrep and upgrade to 1.1.2 again? Hoping it will be that simple if needed...

Posted by: zx6racer

That seems way to easy.

Posted by: daweeze02

Yep upgrade was flawless here too with IPSF.

Posted by: ebola1282

Same experience.... I unbricked/unlocked with IPSF with 1.0.2, upgraded to 1.1.1 and when I wanted to upgrade to 1.1.2 all I did was install OkToPrep via installer.app and plugged her into itunes, ran the upgrade and used the 1.1.2 jailbreak (with windows) never had to downgrade, and it kept all settings, txt messages, songs, pics etc.... all in all was the easiest upgrade/jailbreak to date...

Posted by: LiquidSmooth

what's the fun in an easy jailbreak? lol part of the reason i got the iPhone was to mess around with it but at least its good to know there is a very reliable unlock out there if needed

Posted by: MacGeek15

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Originally Posted by LiquidSmooth

what's the fun in an easy jailbreak? lol part of the reason i got the iPhone was to mess around with it but at least its good to know there is a very reliable unlock out there if needed

Good point LiquidSmooth! I'm pretty much into the iPhone hacking/unlocking too, which keeps me from getting bored of my iPhone haha

Posted by: Lestat_d

I think IPSF is great for newbs or non-hacker types, while anySim lets those with the time and patience to experience tasting the joy of giving Apple the big stiffie and foiling their locking-you-into-AT&T plans with a free solution.

I just wish we could all do a better job at funneling said newbs towards IPSF -- to reduce the number of panicky 'my update died' posts after each firmware release. Perhaps a top level sticky that says 'If you=newb use IPSF, else anySim is a fun way to spend a whole Saturday...'

Sadly the contrast is true -- there is very little evangalizing of the IPSF solution, which is once only and dead easy -- but all the newbs see are sticky upon sticky centered around the anySim gyrations?

Just think there should be more funneling of newbs (or people who just want to 'get er done' quickly) towards IPSF. There is plenty of room for both camps -- but IPSF just doesn't get the kudos it deserves because you have to pay for it?

Posted by: ebola1282

Well to be honest with you when I bought my iPhone it was with 1.0.0 firmware (the day I bought it and plugged it in after activation it instantly upgraded to 1.0.2), I hacked it, unlocked it and jailbroke it that very same day for all of the same reasons that you mentioned before... when 1.1.1 came out I screwed up and with out reading the hofo forums 1st, formatted my iPhone back to a clean version of 1.0.2 (so I thought) then upgraded turning the thing into a ibrick... after lots of fighting with apple and no fix in sight I ended up buying IPSF to fix the brick and give me back my phone. Of corse again if I had waited another few days the non-IPSF fix would have been out and I wouldn’t have needed to spend the $60 to fix the phone (If I remember correctly there was a fix but I couldn’t get the damn thing to work… even though it said the baseband was downgraded it wouldn’t give reception). Regardless yes, IPSF is great if your a newb and don’t know the 1st thing about hacking yet just want to have the bragging rights to "hey I have an unlocked iPhone" but also in cases like mine it did help for other reasons as well.

Posted by: Drakkhen

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Originally Posted by Lestat_d

I think IPSF is great for newbs or non-hacker types, while anySim lets those with the time and patience to experience tasting the joy of giving Apple the big stiffie and foiling their locking-you-into-AT&T plans with a free solution.

I just wish we could all do a better job at funneling said newbs towards IPSF -- to reduce the number of panicky 'my update died' posts after each firmware release. Perhaps a top level sticky that says 'If you=newb use IPSF, else anySim is a fun way to spend a whole Saturday...'

Sadly the contrast is true -- there is very little evangalizing of the IPSF solution, which is once only and dead easy -- but all the newbs see are sticky upon sticky centered around the anySim gyrations?

Just think there should be more funneling of newbs (or people who just want to 'get er done' quickly) towards IPSF. There is plenty of room for both camps -- but IPSF just doesn't get the kudos it deserves because you have to pay for it?

ISPF is a solution, but it's not the solution. I do agree with a few people about 'what's the fun in having a easy jailbreak?', but I think that's not the issue that you are alluding to here - Yes, ISPF works but you're going to be hard pressed to successfully argue that it is any better or easier than AnySIM - Just because it worked for you when you couldn't get AnySIM to work doesn't mean it's easier.

If anything, it just goes to show that the process that you took when using AnySIM was, in probability, incorrect as with all the different guides out there telling you different things, you may have mis-interpreted a step.

I am by no means promoting AnySIM nor ISPF, as I have two phones; one that uses each solution. Both of them work very well. One cost me more money - In terms of installation process, I would argue that both of them are interchangable as they both have the same interface and both even take a similar time to unlock.

In the end, what makes the biggest difference will be what you want to get out of your phone. Going back to the 'who wants an easy jailbreak?' comment, I think part of the draw to this whole unlocking business is getting down to the nitty gritty of the iPhone: Understand how it ticks - the process - getting it to do something MORE that what it's makers wanted it to do.

If you follow the unlock processes and successfully understand it, THAT (knowledge of the workings of the iPhone) to a certain degree, is what you will get out of your time with it.

I think it's a good idea to mention ISPF as a solution to newbies who just want a working phone, just like you who tend to push people to 'buy a mac' all the time, I would refrain from selling it as the best solution, as it certainly is not. Just like how AnySIM did not work for you, ISPF may not work for the user in question, depending on the state of their phone and what they've already done to it beforehand. I have personally witnessed this situation before, where ISPF breaks - The phone remains locked, and the user is out a good chunk of money. Your situation was different (whether it be a user issue, a problem with your mac, or something different about your phone), and it only takes one of those variables to make ANY solution not work.

Anyhow, enough deliberating from me!

Ciaos.

L.

Posted by: Lestat_d

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Originally Posted by Drakkhen

You unlock once using Iphone Simfree -- and don't have to unlock again; with anySim you do it over again with each firmware upgrade. That is a pretty compelling difference no?

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If anything, it just goes to show that the process that you took when using AnySIM was, in probability, incorrect as with all the different guides out there telling you different things, you may have mis-interpreted a step.

I've never used anySim, but see a slew of guides and other people having problems with it.

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I am by no means promoting AnySIM nor ISPF, as I have two phones; one that uses each solution. Both of them work very well. One cost me more money - In terms of installation process, I would argue that both of them are interchangable as they both have the same interface and both even take a similar time to unlock.

But again, don't you unlock with IPSF once only -- but anySim requires re-unlocking each time a new firmware is released?

Folks who used IPSF on their 1.0.2 phones to clean up the corruption anySim/iunlock caused back then -- are still enjoying that IPSF unlock surviving 1.1.1, and now 1.1.2. Again, a compelling differentiator.

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I think it's a good idea to mention ISPF as a solution to newbies who just want a working phone, just like you who tend to push people to 'buy a mac' all the time, I would refrain from selling it as the best solution, as it certainly is not.

I suggested someone having connectivity issues between their PC and apple product consider getting a mac *once*, in one comment. Hardly 'buy a mac' *all the time* zealotry. I was obviously half joking also...

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Just like how AnySIM did not work for you, ISPF may not work for the user in question, depending on the state of their phone and what they've already done to it beforehand.

Or in the case of 1.0.2 damage done by iUnlock and anySim back then -- IPSF cleaned up the mess they made and repaired it for a 1.1.1 unlock/upgrade. (Which is why the oneSim/virginize process later came along).

I still think the important point is that the two solutions are clearly not equal, considering you do a ISPF unlock *once*, with a seamless upgrade to 1.1.2 also; whereas with anySim you seem to not only have to re-unlock with each firmware release, but in the case of 1.1.2 you have a slew of extra steps -- upgrade, downgrade, re-unlock and upgrade again.

Its important to honestly represent a clear benefit does exist for IPSF vs anySim, for 'newbs' specifically its a preferred approach IMHO.

Posted by: Drakkhen

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Originally Posted by Lestat_d

You unlock once using Iphone Simfree -- and don't have to unlock again; with anySim you do it over again with each firmware upgrade. That is a pretty compelling difference no?

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Originally Posted by Lestat_d

I've never used anySim, but see a slew of guides and other people having problems with it.

The userbase of AnySIM out-number ISPF's by at least a factor of 10:1. With more users come more variables (also more people who can't read and follow instructions), and with more variables, the possibilities of problems increase exponentially.

Unlike you, I still can't favor one over another. They both have their strengths and weaknesses - ISPF, I will agree favors newbies, but only to a certain extent. AnySIM is free - at the same time, it comes with a whole community's wealth of knowlege; an asset that can be described in the iPhone unlocking world as 'pretty damn close to priceless'.

I totally understand your bias, as you couldn't get AnySIM to work for you and ISPF was the only solution that let you unlock your phone.

L.

Posted by: motoboy

sorry to go OT a bit here but all this talk about phones holidng their unlock etc maes me wonder, how would i find otu how my phone was unlocked. i bought my iphone frmo some chinese cell phone place locally and it had a tmobile sim in it to show me it was unlocked i put my tmobile sim in and i havent had any issues with i since. its 1.0.2 currently and i would liketo update to 1.1.1 but am scared to have to go through a entire unlocking process again. maybe i got lucky and whoever unlocked my phone used the 60 dollar version that holds it unlocked status through updates. one can only hope lol

Posted by: dhendriksen

@ Drakkhen - I have had a phone unlocked with IPSF replaced by warranty, they didn't mention it all - they had no way to know it was unlocked! I could see if it requires being sent in to apple care, but if you have an actual apple store you can go to, they dont run any tests or look in to it - at least not in my case. They just ask you what the problem is and hand you a new phone.

@ Motoboy - I cannot imagine a vendor selling unlocked iPhones at a profit would choose a route that cost him money over a free one. I assume he is not offering any kind of warranty and support as well? All you need to do is revirginize your phone, the tool to do that is available via installer. At that point you might as well just upgrade all the way to 1.1.2, and you can find guides on how to do that all over the forum. I hope you have better luck than I did in getting it working.

As far as the IPSF/AnySIM arguement goes, I think IPSF blows AnySIM out of the water. As I mentioned earlier in my post I had an iPhone that was unlocked with IPSF get replaced under warranty, leaving me with a locked phone. I had purchased my IPSF license before the free unlocking methods were available, so I figured this time I would save the $60 (I actually paid $100 for the first license - apparently an over payment of $40, should have done more research) and go the free route which of course is AnySIM. It worked fine as long as I was on 1.0.2. I was actually able to upgrade to 1.1.1 without TOO much trouble. The problem came with 1.1.2. I dont know why, but I really wanted to upgrade. 1.1.2 had been out a while (this was last weekend) and there were seemingly lost of painless ways to perform the update. Know, I consider myself smart and knowledgable in these type of things, I typically never have a problem figuring stuff like this out. I spent more than 12 hours following all of the different guides, one after the previous didnt work, to no avail. I ended up leaving my office after an unproductive day without my iPhone, using my old Dash. The next day I proceeded to spend more time looking for a solution, asking for help on the forums, and continuing to try over and over. When the "whole communities wealth of knowledge" on anysim couldn't figure out what it had done, I bought an IPSF license, and 10 minutes later I was using my phone again, unlocked, on 1.1.2. I would recommend that to anybody.

Now, let me clarify one thing. I do appreciate the help from all the people on this forum, and by no means was this post degrading or discrediting everything people on this forum do for others everyday. I was simply noting how spending $60 to have support from someone who has been paid and owes you the support is often better than waiting on the free help, which (obviously being free) is not always available in a timely manner with complete and proper answers all the time. It cost me way more than $60 having my mind on getting that damn iPhone unlocked over doing my work. For some, saving the $60 is simply not worth the massive hassle that comes along with AnySIM. Granted the first time it was very easy, but as changes are made and the old AnySIM doesnt work anymore, it is the upgrade, downgrade, revirginize, SSH, prep for upgrade, upgrade, downgrade, etc... process that had me fit to be tied.

I promise I am not an IPSF salesperson, sorry for the long post.

Thanks to Drakkhen, RED Setter, MacGeek15, Geek.dll, and all you other guys out there volunteering your time to us idiots

(Sorry I couldn't mention everyone, but I appreciate you all)! It is very much appreciated, and I don't think that gets said enough. Accept a heart felt thanks, and continue the good work!

Posted by: Drakkhen

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Originally Posted by motoboy

sorry to go OT a bit here but all this talk about phones holidng their unlock etc maes me wonder, how would i find otu how my phone was unlocked. i bought my iphone frmo some chinese cell phone place locally and it had a tmobile sim in it to show me it was unlocked i put my tmobile sim in and i havent had any issues with i since. its 1.0.2 currently and i would liketo update to 1.1.1 but am scared to have to go through a entire unlocking process again. maybe i got lucky and whoever unlocked my phone used the 60 dollar version that holds it unlocked status through updates. one can only hope lol

I'm going to guess it was probably unlocked using an old AnySIM - I guess if you're going to upgrade, you can give it a shot - if it corrupts your IMEI (bricks your phone), you'll know the answer

.

However, to be on the safe side, I'm going to say your best next step is to virginize @ 1.0.2 (relock your phone), DFU to 1.0.2, and then upgrade to 1.1.2. That'll save you the trouble of having to re-virginize after you find out you have a bad IMEI.

@ dhendrickson - I totally agree with your points, and the fact that you actually got warranty out of an ISPF unlocked iPhone is good news. I don't think anyone has ever argued ISPF's ease of use - it's a no-brainer, and 9 out of 10 times, it works like a charm. I also don't think, in the current installed userbase of iPhones that an extra $60 - $100 is too much to ask for an already made investment of $400+. However, I'd be hard pressed to believe that the actual dollar value of ISPF has anything to do with people going the AnySIM route.

My guess is that in most cases, by modern-day-nature, is that PEOPLE LIKE GOOD DEALS. People like them so much, that they will buy on good deals even though they can afford the not-so-good deals.

Now having said that, I'm sure going into AnySIM, there are users who's spend hours/days trying to get their AnySIM x.x.x to work with their phone unsucessfully; only to either buy an ISPF license or have someone else do it for them after. There are also people who have more positive experiences. It all depends how much that particular user is willing to learn about how the phone operates. SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY FIND IT FUN :|

It'll be different for everyone - people will bias towards the solution that worked for them first / easiest. If both solution worked, people will bias towards the better deal.

As a user of both, I still can't favor one over the other, as there has never been a phone that I could not make work with AnySIM, and on the flip side, I have seen ISPF completely destroy a phone (well, not directly, but the user tried to virginize after :|).

Either way, I think the public's current perception of each solution is quite accurate. People will go to the free solution first. If they can't get it to work, they will hit this forum and ask for help...Eventually, if nothing works for them, they will go to ISPF or pay someone to get it done. I don't see a point to promoting one over the other - No matter what you do, people WILL use AnySIM first.

** PAYING MORE IS A LAST RESORT (check out ma rhymz!!!!)

Is AnySIM the best solution? Well, if it works for the user, YES. If not, ISPF may become the best solution for that particular user.

L.

Posted by: MacGeek15

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Originally Posted by Drakkhen

This is entirely true, but holds absolutely no weight considering the original basis of your post, which is to "just get your phone to work". I merely pointed out that the install process is the same, overlooking the obvious differences that is implied with these two solutions. You install ISPF in the same part of the unlocking process as you would on AnySIM

Granted, yes, you only have to unlock once so long as you have the same bootloader. However, this argument also juxtaposes itself against the alarming fact that you are probably not going to be able to get warranty on that unit ever again, as the changes ISPF makes to your phone do not allow you to undo it.. So here, ISPF's greatest virtue becomes its vice.

As the iPhone faces problems with certain revisions of its screen (negative black issue and dead/lazy pixels), battery drain problems after a few weeks, and other problems often posted about in the general forum, it becomes even harder to justify the equation ISPF + $60 = unlocked phone - warranty.

The userbase of AnySIM out-number ISPF's by at least a factor of 10:1. With more users come more variables (also more people who can't read and follow instructions), and with more variables, the possibilities of problems increase exponentially.

Unlike you, I still can't favor one over another. They both have their strengths and weaknesses - ISPF, I will agree favors newbies, but only to a certain extent. AnySIM is free - at the same time, it comes with a whole community's wealth of knowlege; an asset that can be described in the iPhone unlocking world as 'pretty damn close to priceless'.

I totally understand your bias, as you couldn't get AnySIM to work for you and ISPF was the only solution that let you unlock your phone.

L.

This is a great post Drakkhen!

Posted by: togad

Ok, this seems to be the thread to take the plunge in...

I'm still sitting here with an IPSF unlocked 1.0.2 using a UK T-Mobile SIM (I was one of the first hundred or so IPSF customers).

Anyone care to explain how I get to 1.1.2, in words a 'newbie' can understand?

TIA.

Posted by: Lestat_d

Get installer.app on your phone
install oktoprep through installer
upgrade to 1.1.2 in iTunes
Run conceited softwares 1.1.2 jailbreak (with activate)
done

Not sure if you also need iworld installed via installer to fix sim error for non north American country, but it can't hurt to install it.

Posted by: togad

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Originally Posted by Lestat_d

Get installer.app on your phone
install oktoprep through installer
upgrade to 1.1.2 in iTunes
Run conceited softwares 1.1.2 jailbreak (with activate)
done

Not sure if you also need iworld installed via installer to fix sim error for non north American country, but it can't hurt to install it.

So I can go direct from 1.0.2 to 1.1.2?

(sorry for the Q, but I'm sure you appreciate that I'm keen to get this right first time!)

Posted by: Failed Engineer

Yes you can. Follow the directions that Lestat_d posted to the letter and you'll be fine. I did exactly what you are trying to do and that's what I did and no problems.

Posted by: togad

Many thanks guys.

Just one more question before I take the plunge -

I'm not sure what you're referring to with "Conceited Software's 1.1.2 Jailbreak". I can't see it in my package list, and I can't see a reference on their website.

Apologies for being really thick - I'm sure it's a simple misunderstanding on my part.

Posted by: Lestat_d

google conceited software 1.1.2 jailbreak and click first link

If you use pc, ensure java runtime is installed first from java.sun.com
if using a glorious mac, you have it already - just click the .jar in the .zip instead of .bat for windows

Posted by: dhendriksen

Yeah - the 1.1.2 jailbreak is installed and ran on the computer, not the iPhone. It is really easy to find, and it will truly be a no brainer for you. Very simple. Good luck, post your results.

Posted by: dhendriksen

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Originally Posted by Drakkhen

I'm going to guess it was probably unlocked using an old AnySIM - I guess if you're going to upgrade, you can give it a shot - if it corrupts your IMEI (bricks your phone), you'll know the answer

I could not agree more. I went with the free route once it was available, because just like everyone else, if I can save some money I am game. I actually also like tinkering with these things, and love figuring things out. I have helped 6 or 7 of my employees unlock there phones, and virginize, and update to 1.1.1 and etc... This time, on my phone, I just got sick of not having my phone. I use it a lot, my email accounts, stocks (I know, no biggie. I am totally insane and check them like every 20 minutes), everything is configured on my iPhone and not my Dash. After I left the office I was driving my wifes car (no navigation) and really needed google maps, but I had that damn Dash. I just simply got sick of not being able to use my phone, so I bought another IPSF license. If I had a spare iPhone to use, I would have continued to tinker with it, largely because I enjoy it, and also because it would save me money. I (and seemingly you) am a rare breed in that I enjoy screwing things up and trying to fix them. As I mentioned earlier if it was not out of a sheer need for my phone, I would have continued.

For the savy, more involved user, AnySIM will take a lot more of your time, entertain you (if your into this stuff) and eventually work. If you are not one interested in blowing a day on figuring it out and not having your phone for a while - IPSF works great.

Anyways - enough of this, I have gone on to long. Everyone on this forum rocks, I appreciate everyones help, knowledge, and time.

Dan

Posted by: Lestat_d

Guide: iPhoneSimFree 15-minute 'quickie' (IPSF upgrade to 1.1.2)

- If on a PC: Ensure Java is installed on your PC
- Install okToPrep from Tweaks 1.1.1 using installer.app on your previously IPSF unlocked 1.0.2 or 1.1.1 phone (yes, it works on 1.0.2 also)
- Use iTunes to upgrade to 1.1.2
- Unzip conceited software 1.1.2 jailbreak to a folder on your hard drive:
o If on a PC: Run windows.bat; if on a glorious Mac: Click on the jailbreak.jar instead
o Select 'install ssh' checkbox and click 'jailbreak' (this also 'activates')
o Phone reboots twice, be patient
- If you are using a non North American SIM -- install iWorld on your iPhone from Tweaks 1.1.2 in installer.app
- Done, pour yourself a pint and smile that you didn't have to upgrade+downgrade+re-unlock+re-upgrade+sweat like the anySim folks..

p.s. When not actively moving files/apps to and from your iPhone -- use the SSH icon installed on your springboard to turn off SSH, and save battery.

Posted by: togad

Brilliant.

Worked exactly as described. A 1.0.2 IPSF'd iPhone to 1.1.2 in as painless and simple way as could reasonably be hoped for.

Many thanks to those who took the time to help me out with this. Much appreciated.

/edit

Sorry - should have mentioned that I didn't need to do iWorld for a UK T-Mobile SIM.

Posted by: BajanFinn

I think it's a good idea to mention ISPF as a solution to newbies who just want a working phone, just like you who tend to push people to 'buy a mac' all the time, I would refrain from selling it as the best solution, as it certainly is not. Just like how AnySIM did not work for you, ISPF may not work for the user in question, depending on the state of their phone and what they've already done to it beforehand. I have personally witnessed this situation before, where ISPF breaks - The phone remains locked, and the user is out a good chunk of money. Your situation was different (whether it be a user issue, a problem with your mac, or something different about your phone), and it only takes one of those variables to make ANY solution not work.

Anyhow, enough deliberating from me!

Ciaos.

L.[/QUOTE]l

Hi Drakkhen - sorry to bother you with what may seem a silly question to an expert like you, but I am one of the newbies that rely and is extremely grateful for experts like you for providing us the simple idiotproof guides to do stuff. I bought my wife in iPhone thinking it can be unlocked but as many others discovered soon that an OOB 1.1.2 with 4.6 bootloader (mine is wk 50 phone) cannot yet be unlocked. Anyway thanks to this site, and people like yourself I successfully jailbreaked/activated it and made my wife happy (even though it is just a fancy iTouch with PDF functions until the unlock is available). I have not upgraded back to 1.1.2. yet since I do not seem to find anywhere a simple answer as to what would be the benefit of doing so? Do I need to do so until I can unlock it?
P.S. before Friday and this forum the words like firmware, bootloader, baseband etc. were Creek to me.

Posted by: Drakkhen

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Originally Posted by BajanFinn

Hi Drakkhen - sorry to bother you with what may seem a silly question to an expert like you, but I am one of the newbies that rely and is extremely grateful for experts like you for providing us the simple idiotproof guides to do stuff. I bought my wife in iPhone thinking it can be unlocked but as many others discovered soon that an OOB 1.1.2 with 4.6 bootloader (mine is wk 50 phone) cannot yet be unlocked. Anyway thanks to this site, and people like yourself I successfully jailbreaked/activated it and made my wife happy (even though it is just a fancy iTouch with PDF functions until the unlock is available). I have not upgraded back to 1.1.2. yet since I do not seem to find anywhere a simple answer as to what would be the benefit of doing so? Do I need to do so until I can unlock it?
P.S. before Friday and this forum the words like firmware, bootloader, baseband etc. were Creek to me.

Hi BajanFinn,

I can't really say that I'm an expert - I think the only difference between me and the newbies here, is that I've made a lot more mistakes and wasted a lot more time than the recent new visitors to the site

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In your case, do a search for 'TurboSim' or 'Stealth SIM', and you'll actually find a product that might be able to help you in terms of unlocking the actual phone. It's a 'hardware' product which invovles integrating your SIM card with another card before inserting it into your phone. From what I've heard (I haven't had the joy of using one of those myself), it seems to work quite well on week 45+ phones.

As for your question about upgrading - it really depends on what type of person you are - I think around this form, users are split between people who just want a working phone and people who want to tinker with stuff. If you're of the latter group, I'd say go ahead and upgrade, try jailbreaking, installing things and experiment. As an iPod, you probably don't have that much essential data on there anyway, and there really isn't anything that you can do that isn't reversible.

On the other hand, if you like what you have right now, and it's working, what else could you ask for? As an iPod, I personally haven't noticed a difference between any of the firmware revisions, so you probably won't notice that much.

L.

***Edit - By the way thanks for dragging this ancient thread back to the top of the charts

Posted by: BajanFinn

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Originally Posted by Drakkhen

Hi BajanFinn,

As for your question about upgrading - it really depends on what type of person you are - I think around this form, users are split between people who just want a working phone and people who want to tinker with stuff. If you're of the latter group, I'd say go ahead and upgrade, try jailbreaking, installing things and experiment. As an iPod, you probably don't have that much essential data on there anyway, and there really isn't anything that you can do that isn't reversible.

On the other hand, if you like what you have right now, and it's working, what else could you ask for? As an iPod, I personally haven't noticed a difference between any of the firmware revisions, so you probably won't notice that much.

L.

***Edit - By the way thanks for dragging this ancient thread back to the top of the charts

Thank you for your quick reply. Now that I have gotten 'hooked' on this tinkering I will probably upgrade and jailbreak it again this weekend - that is if my wife, who is actually happy with her new 'fancy iPod' and willing to wait for the unlock (which hopefully happens when the new v 1.1.3 coming supposedly out in February gives the experts the necessary codes to get past the 4.6 bootloader), lets me anywhere near it

. If the unlock seem to take longer, I will then take your advise and try TurboSim method.

P.S. At least today I was able to impress our IT director (and actually teach him something new) who prides himself as an iPhone guru, and also stop two very grateful work colleagues from ordering iPhones (as I - they were told by so called 'experts' that they can be unlocked easily). Thanks again for very clear and insightful posts - keep them coming.

Posted by: daveop

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Originally Posted by zx6racer

That seems way to easy.

I did exactly what he did without using his program. Just oktoprep'd, iTunes updated, jailbroke, and anysim'd flawlessly. Upgrading to 1.1.2 is a cakewalk really.

Posted by: Lestat_d

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Originally Posted by daveop

I did exactly what he did without using his program. Just oktoprep'd, iTunes updated, jailbroke, and anysim'd flawlessly. Upgrading to 1.1.2 is a cakewalk really.

Only comparison I would highlight is that someone who used ipsf previously on 1.0.2 or 1.1.1 doesn't need to re-unlock at all; whereas with anySim you need to reunlock after each upgrade or even restore. Saves you one step.

Posted by: daveop

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Originally Posted by Lestat_d

I suppose, although that one step only takes a minute or two, and I am not addicted to reinstalling, so once was good enough for me. It's good to see how many easy unlocking methods there are though, as I am absolutely in love with my iPhone, and this will only help attract more and more customers, which hopefully will inspire some much needed updates from Apple.

Posted by: Lestat_d

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Originally Posted by daveop

My point is that with ipsf you unlock once and going forward you only need future firmware releases jailbroken. With anySim it has to be updated and released and re-run with every future firmware - that is an additional risk point. When a new firmware comes out and it is jailbroken - you also have to wait for a new anySim version and hope it works. Ipsf users just need it jailbroken.

Will anySim be updated quickly and work for 1.1.3? 1.1.4?

Posted by: daveop

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Originally Posted by Lestat_d

Presumably though, Apple could figure out a way to sabatoge either the AnySim or IPSF methods, so we're both skating on thin ice. For now, I'm just happy that we can get these things working. If AnySim cannot be used post 1.1.2 I'll certainly consider IPSF, StealthSim, or any of those other methods.

Posted by: Lestat_d

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Originally Posted by daveop

Although ipsf is a 'real' unlock in the EEPROM which is not touched by firmware or baseband upgrades, which is by comparison why anySim needs re run every release - because it doesn't do a true unlock, but patches each fw to make it think it is unlocked.

Posted by: daveop

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Originally Posted by Lestat_d

Cool, I'll look into it. I know literally nothing about it :P