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Just bought a 904SH in Shanghai
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Posted by: Takashii

Hello all. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about this but I just got a 904SH with the SSim and it's actually working in Shanghai to my surprise. Are we allowed to discuss this here? If so I'll continue if not mods please lock this post thanks.

Posted by: yangj08

Where in Shanghai did you get it? Half-baked as the SSim is I'd still like to give it a go and I live in Shanghai, so if you could, PM me with the location, please.

Posted by: Takashii

I got it at (HanKouLu)汉口路642号。 I'll PM you the store name or if you want to we can go there together cuz I think I need to pay them a visit again this week. But I gotta tell ya the entire plaza are full of scammers. The 1st store I went into quoted me a brand new 904SH (Any color but white, cuz white apparently white is new and it's alot more expensive) would be around 2200RMB with the Ssim card ready to go. Then I went to another place and the ****er quoted me 2900. Anyways getting a 904SH in shanghai is definitly a bad idea because the prices are going up and it's still going up after some dude in Fukchow released his own 877 codes and when everyone had the self-rebooting problem using the 0.8 version, he released the 0.9 as of 3 days ago and it's much better. I've personally tired both 0.8 and the 0.9 and now 0.9 does seem alot more stable however it's still not 100%. From time to time u would hit the wrong key and you'd still get shut down.

Anywho, expect somewhere around 2200RMB with all the colors (Except white) with the Sim Hack. And if you must get the white one it'll be around 3000RMB. I called up my brother in Hongkong to check prices and it turns out they're raising the prices up too in 先达SinDat. Anyways I'd like to talk more about the phone and expose the current bugs and all. Right now I'm testing out my own ringtowns and infra red functions and it all seems fine. All the Java apps are working great except for those GPS Mobile Navigator thingy. It would get stuck on searching for signal. I'll post more updates as I find out more about it.

Oh btw, I asked the boss there and he told me that 920SH might work with the ssim hack however some fukchow dude is writing his own codes for it. Until he releases it all we gotta do is wait now. I have a link to the fukchow forums. It's all in simplified chinese so maybe the chinese dudes on this forum could go over there and check it out. But to be honest, I haven't found anything on the site that saids he's writing codes for the 920SH so it might be him a hoax but however if 920SH does work with the ssim/877 hack I'd sell the 904SH in a heartbeat

Posted by: Takashii

Btw, after living in shanghai for almost a year I notice a significant difference between the japanese phone prices here. A year or two ago it was really really expensive to find them in shanghai but with the new batch of stores opened up in shanghai the prices on phones now are comparible to what you can find in HongKong (SinDat). And as we all know to find the newest and cheapest phones u would goto sindat, well, I don't know about that anymore. Last time I check a 707SH was more expensive in hongkong and you can find it cheaper in Shanghai.

Ok now staying on topic with the 904SH, I'd like to see if we have someone here that could test out the hacked 904SH with Rogers Wireless in Canada.

Posted by: inthatcase

This post interests me.

Posted by: Junglizt1210

Keep us updated Takeshi.

This thread is excellent.

Posted by: Junglizt1210

A bit of Googling and searching on ye3g and blueshow .... found this video. interesting to say the least.

http://www.56.com/u42/v_MjEwMzM3OTE.html

Posted by: yangj08

How interesting. Especially since this hack changes the SIM and not the phone, so it could be reworked to fit DoCoMo phones too.

Posted by: Yttrasil

Very very VERY interesting to say the least, have had mine now for ages and I would love to use it here in Sweden!!

Does this only include changing the sim card, flash the card a special way or just how does this hack work? Havn't found out much from the other threads before , so 3G also works?

Please enlighten me

Posted by: n3t108

Same here... please keep us posted.

Posted by: yangj08

Oh, and do PM me with the store name please- I'll have to go with a couple of friends sometime.

Posted by: Kevbodian

old news... ye3g had a poster showing his daily updates to do with the unlock... well.. its not an unlock at all. they are just cloning sim cards using 877 pic silver cards so that the phone thinks you are using a softbank usim but the network sees the fido/rogers whatever card you have inside your phone.

it's nice to see progress with the 904... but a true unlock, sadly, isn't likely.

Posted by: yangj08

Still, this is better than nothing, and more flexible too, since this could be reworked for DoCoMo.

Posted by: n3t108

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Originally Posted by Kevbodian

old news... ye3g had a poster showing his daily updates to do with the unlock... well.. its not an unlock at all. they are just cloning sim cards using 877 pic silver cards so that the phone thinks you are using a softbank usim but the network sees the fido/rogers whatever card you have inside your phone.

it's nice to see progress with the 904... but a true unlock, sadly, isn't likely.

Can I assume that this method is similar to TurboS*M or Hyper-S*M then?

Am I a fool to start thinking that I can finally to use my 904 with AT&T (yes, I know)?

I saw a thread here awhile back that mentioned 904 + TurboS*M and Hyper-S*M but no one [from hofo] never really confirmed that it's working for them.

Posted by: yangj08

This would be, in a way, but the hack is fixed to the SIM. If I remember correctly, TurboSIM can be removed and switched around (do correct me if I'm wrong).

Posted by: n3t108

Quote:

Originally Posted by yangj08

This would be, in a way, but the hack is fixed to the SIM. If I remember correctly, TurboSIM can be removed and switched around (do correct me if I'm wrong).

Very interesting... I don't mind using either method as long as I can use my AT&T SIM with 904 then be able to switched to my other phones later

Posted by: Ultraman666

Truely interesting info would be nice to see if we could use this great phone.

Posted by: Junglizt1210

i believe the guys who are experimenting are using ssims. aka supersims.

and any progress, including fooling the phone, is better than nothing. i certainly don't mind.

Posted by: Kevbodian

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Originally Posted by Junglizt1210

i believe the guys who are experimenting are using ssims. aka supersims.

and any progress, including fooling the phone, is better than nothing. i certainly don't mind.

they are 877 pic cards. only silvercard can do it with certain hardware. ki and imsi must be *doctored* so that the network gets what it wants and the phone gets what it wants.

i don't believe it is a matter of the solution being stable or not, but it most likely would only allow the use of text messaging and regular phone calling. the other problem is that a sim card must be cloned to do it. they say that with this stuff you should NEVER let someone do it for you or pay another person to do this because they can keep copies of all sim data and in effect steal service as they can dupe any card they want.

Not only is it dangerous to let some shop have a copy of your sim, but it may be illegal in most countries as the sim is always property of the service provider. Another risk is if two sims are turned on at the same time, the phone company WILL see this and most likely disable the account. They can easily tell when 1 card goes live in Vancouver and the other in Burnaby or even two off the same tower. And no, even if you tried it, you would not get sms to both phones... the sms or phone call or whatever would simply go to the phone that responded to the tower first.

Posted by: yangj08

Well, if what you're after is the multimedia/camera and don't really go online, then using the 877 card won't be too much of a bother. However, that second one is a bit more of an issue that can only be solved by doing it yourself.

I support this solution, though- it worked for the iPhone until a hardware unlock came out; people used cloned SIMs or TurboSIMs and never got arrested or anything. It'll work for this too.

Posted by: inspiring_k

I just wanted to know what version is our simcard here in canada and how can I check... are we using version3? if so can we still do it cause I heard it does not work with version 3 sim cards for the supersim

Posted by: penpower

Most likely this clone will not work outside of China or other countries which use v1.0 (gsm mainly) sim card, because it is really really really hard to read out ki and imsi from newer and 3G capable (v2, v3) sim card (USIM), such as the sim cards used in HK and major 3G countries. The security in newer sim cards have been improved a lot. I guess it is safe to say if your provider offers 3G and you are using one of their new sim card, you are out of luck.

More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_cloning

Posted by: inspiring_k

actually my sim car is 2 1/2 year years old and there is no 3g or 3.5g at the time so i'm guessing mine is the older version?

Posted by: yangj08

Even if it isn't, I'm still pretty sure it will work. If i remember correctly, this was the method used on the iPhone before the software unlock was discovered, and it worked for most people.

Posted by: KBoardBox

Huh, good to see more progress on the 904! Mine is still in my drawer lol let me know how and I can test mine on Rogers.

Posted by: Takashii

Sorry for not replying sooner but here's the update so far:

Been using it for a week now, I can safely say it's acceptable at this point. I can call, recieve calls normally, all the functions on the phone works fine without auto-rebooting. Like the compass, camera, text messaging, even the java games and apps are all fine and dandy. The key to using this phone with the SuperSim hack is that you gotta know what buttons *NOT* to press. Meaning there are certain buttons u can't hit or else it'll auto reboot. So far there's only 2 and when u get the hang of it it's fairly easy to avoid it.

I hear that this simhack /w 904sh works everywhere in china because of how chinamobile works. I haven't got a chance to test this outside of china *yet* but this is the real deal. 904SH does work with a SuperSim or 877 card. And with the proper firmware version written on the hacked/clone simcard you can avoid all the annoying auto-reboot problem and use it on you desired network. (Chinamobile, Rogers AT&T, etc...)

For those who are interested, yes, I did have to provide my China Mobile Simcard in order for them to imprint the number onto the supersim clone. And that alone took 8 hours. In the end it's a supersim card trying to fool your 904sh into thinking it's a vodafone/softbank card. After knowing that I began to wonder about other Japanese phones that supports GSM. What I'm interested are the new Docomo or Sharp phones. For example, 920SH supports GSM so technically speaking 920SH could used the supersim with the proper software on the hacked supersim.

Posted by: KBoardBox

Fantastic news, but I'm not moving to China so that my 904 can work.

Posted by: Takashii

Well no you don't have to move here lol. I would think all you need is someone who can program the supersim for everyone back home in canada so it'll work with Rogers at&t network. Because bascially what they did here is that. Someone who programmed the card to work with Chinamobile. I looked at the software it looked pretty simple, there wasn't much programming. The guy load up some software, searched for some codes, he copy and pasted the codes onto the card, then he made some software dipswitch settings (I think there was like 9) and bam I got myself a working 904SH.

Posted by: yangj08

Sweet- my 904T's getting a little beat-up; this will be my next upgrade. I'll also see if they can do the same for my AT&T prepaid SIM- that'll be nice when I go back to the States.

Posted by: penpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takashii

Well no you don't have to move here lol. I would think all you need is someone who can program the supersim for everyone back home in canada so it'll work with Rogers at&t network. Because bascially what they did here is that. Someone who programmed the card to work with Chinamobile. I looked at the software it looked pretty simple, there wasn't much programming. The guy load up some software, searched for some codes, he copy and pasted the codes onto the card, then he made some software dipswitch settings (I think there was like 9) and bam I got myself a working 904SH.

That is the most critical part - not doubt, they can get the ki and imsi out of Chinamobile's simcard, but can they do the same for AT&T's, Rogers' or maybe HK (closest place that i can think of) three's, smartone's, pccw, or csl's sim card? If this trick works for any HK's providers (except peoples as they used gsm only), 904sh will be flooded in sindat by now. Someone should try that with HK peoples' simcard. It is own by chinamobile and uses gsm only in hk. BTW, have anyone tried to read out a ATT or Rogers' ki or imsi successfully?

Posted by: yangj08

I think it's been done for AT&T at least- this is almost exactly how the iPhone SIM hack works.

Posted by: n3t108

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Originally Posted by yangj08

I think it's been done for AT&T at least- this is almost exactly how the iPhone SIM hack works.

It's a different method.

Are these the steps?
- extract ki and imsi from usim
- extract network information from your current sim
- write both extracted information to a blank sim?

It sounds like sim clonning but when writing back to blank sim, you just simply use ki and imsi from usim on that blank sim

With turbosim, you will still need to read ki and imsi from at&t iphone sim but I think it saves that information onto the turbosim chips itself and when you insert non at&t phone in, it'll acts as a proxy between ki/imsi and the non at&t sim.

I don't think you can clone any newer year 2000 and up anymore as they are v2.

It sound like TurboSIM 'might' be the only alternative for the rest of us. If only there's a US seller on ebay...

Posted by: yangj08

I think that's it. You're right, it's different from TurboSIM, but I remember a very early solution involving SIM-hacking/cloning for the iPhone unlock. Must've just been me, though.

TurboSIM sounds like the better way to go, though- the TurboSIM can be attached to different SIMs instead of being fixed to one card/number like the current solution. And I imagine the programming/code used on the TurboSIM for the iPhone could be adapted to Softbank (and DoCoMo too) with some work. It'll be harder, though- the 904SH checks the IMSI every time the menu is entered. On the cloned SIM that was somehow worked around, but it might not be doable on the TurboSIM.

Posted by: n3t108

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Originally Posted by yangj08

I think that's it. You're right, it's different from TurboSIM, but I remember a very early solution involving SIM-hacking/cloning for the iPhone unlock. Must've just been me, though.

TurboSIM sounds like the better way to go, though- the TurboSIM can be attached to different SIMs instead of being fixed to one card/number like the current solution. And I imagine the programming/code used on the TurboSIM for the iPhone could be adapted to Softbank (and DoCoMo too) with some work. It'll be harder, though- the 904SH checks the IMSI every time the menu is entered. On the cloned SIM that was somehow worked around, but it might not be doable on the TurboSIM.

I think it was V1 sim that there were able to clone and use it with iphone...

There's also pss sim (which I think it's similar to turbosim) which I am thinking about getting unless I can find a US seller that carries turbosim.

Posted by: nepz

so any news on whether this phone can be used outside of china?

Posted by: yangj08

It certainly can on roaming with China Mobile...

But with other countries' SIM cards- I guess it depends what kind.

What was that about v2 cards, though? I thought China Mobile also used those (I remember wanting to buy a SIM reader/writer and some blank cards a couple of years ago and the seller told me that it wouldn't work with cards sold after 1999- they must have got around that now).

Posted by: orphanboy

could this work in north america at all?

Posted by: yangj08

It could, I don't see why not. You'll need to know how to use the necessary tools (SIM reader/writer, blank SIM, etc), though.

Posted by: Maikurukun

i sure our many asian cell phone stores across Toronto and Vancouver could figure it out. lol.

Posted by: nepz

man i soo wanna use this phone here in Canada... has anyone tired this new method yet..??

Posted by: Yttrasil

There seems to be a solution for 904sh for 3g cards etc here WOHOOO, going for like 300$ but man is it worth it if it works

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...d.php?t=1418429
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...=1826488&page=3
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...d.php?t=1828135

That is what is said by some other people around the boards anyways about 3G cards, if REAL lucky it might also work for the 920sh etc... but who knows... I'll stay put for another day or two and see how it looks anyhow.

Edit: Or maybe not since Kevs post, but still there must be something to it since it seems to work with 3g cards which are not V1 gsm cards, and if so I'll do whatever it takes to get it to work =)

Edit2: So seems as if it needs you to cut your own card but who cares, if you fail you can always get a new one from your provider anyways!

920sh seems only to work with sms and calls, really interested how it is with the 910sh just love that design!

Posted by: mr2kqql

I am using pss sim right now with Tmobile, everything seems to work except gprs.
afaik it will work with 99% sim cards out there

Posted by: KBoardBox

?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, I can use my 904...haha

Posted by: Akira87

im not cutting my previous sim lol

Posted by: takumi906

im more than willing to try this

Posted by: Junglizt1210

If anyones interested in trying to work out something for DoCoMo phones... check out this thread:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1283026

Read from about half way in... or the whole thing even.

Posted by: Akira87

interesting read, i hope something good comes out of this

Posted by: azn_X

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Originally Posted by mr2kqql

I am using pss sim right now with Tmobile, everything seems to work except gprs.
afaik it will work with 99% sim cards out there

Pss sim doesn't work with rogers

Posted by: KBoardBox

Awwww...how do you know?

Posted by: azn_X

i just tryed it

Posted by: Akira87

T-mo FTW

Posted by: aw614

Quote:

Originally Posted by azn_X

i just tryed it

where did you get the pss card?

Posted by: mr2kqql

Quote:

Originally Posted by azn_X

Pss sim doesn't work with rogers

are you using pss sim sharp V3, not the pss sim IPHONE?

Posted by: Kevbodian

turbosim method is pretty nice and cutting the sim card is REALLY REALLY EASY. Most turbosim come with a cut guide so a kid can do it!

One problem I know of is that most providers are using a v1 sim card that is easy to read ki and imsi; however, softbank/vodafone sims are newer and while imsi is readable, ki is not.

If the turbosim method is released for 904, I don't see any reason to call it sim-hacking or illegal as the softbank info is preloaded on the turbosim and physically damaging your own sim card is not illegal in any way.