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The big 3G push - 2008
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Posted by: zephxiii

In a few different threads, i keep hearing references to ATT deploying 3G towards the level of expansion EVDO is currently at (by mid 2008?). Is there some official announcement about this somewhere? How hard do you think ATT will be pushing 3G, with LTE not being terribly far down the road.

Also it would be interesting to hear what other big 3G plans ATT has for 2008. I sure our market of around 265k gets 3G real soon at some point.

Posted by: SHoTTa35

LTE is about 3-4yrs away at minimum. GSM started in what, 2001? I got my first GSM phone in about 2003 i think but i was drooling over that Nokia 83xx series:

here:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=31

Man, that was top of the line but GSM didn't launch in my are for a while after. So if i think of it that way, that area only had GSM for like 3-4yrs. UTMS is coming online now and while some places have had it for a while, most haven't yet so they LTE wont be here for another 3-4yrs i'd say.

Posted by: i0wnj00

GSM in the States started in 1996 so it's been around for 11 years depending where you were, but at least where I'm from it has been around for awhile. Since the LTE standard isn't suppose to be finalized by 2009 I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T started deployment till 2013.

Posted by: bodeh6

Don't worry about 4G now.

2008 is the year 3G will be all the rage and AT&T will have a great 3G network with great phones to go along with it.

Posted by: JoeyDee

3G on 850mhz is what can potential get them even more coverage than evdo... they just need to be agressive. My area with verizon has EVDO gaps in certain areas since its on 1900mhz, but the towers are spread for 850mhz... Sprint doesn't have problems since they're spread for pcs anyways.

Posted by: Jonbo298

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHoTTa35

LTE is about 3-4yrs away at minimum. GSM started in what, 2001? I got my first GSM phone in about 2003 i think but i was drooling over that Nokia 83xx series:

here:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=31

Man, that was top of the line but GSM didn't launch in my are for a while after. So if i think of it that way, that area only had GSM for like 3-4yrs. UTMS is coming online now and while some places have had it for a while, most haven't yet so they LTE wont be here for another 3-4yrs i'd say.

Oh man...reading those reviews. Just can't help but laugh

(looking back)

Quote:

f your looking for a stylish phone, I would definitely recommend the Nokia 8390, there are dozens of different face-plates and covers available for the phone, everyday you can have a different colour!
The faceplates only take like 4seconds to put on!

The phone has a bunch of features,
Voice recorder, Voice Activated dialing, Assignable ring-tones, it has a lot of features to keep you busy!

Posted by: autumninchicago

It's from at&t CEO Ralph de la Vega:

Question: So what is the status right now with HSUPA and in the larger sense, the 3G rollout? How do you view where you're at in terms of being behind Verizon in roll out area and coverage and what's the next step to really--

Answer: I think you will see fairly soon, we are launching markets as we speak, and will get well beyond 200 million POPs [points of presence, i.e. prospective customers] in 2008, and that's very close to what Verizon and Sprint have. The stuff that we are rolling out today is HSUPA as well, so we have the throughput equal to Verizon or Sprint on the uplink ,and equal or better on the downlink. So they won't have anything that they would claim superiority on us in terms of our 3G capability by sometime in the middle of next year.

Interview from Engadget.com

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/26/...tandt-mobility/

Posted by: SHoTTa35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Oh man...reading those reviews. Just can't help but laugh

(looking back)

Yeah man, that was the stuff back then. I got a SE T68i and i was in love. color and screen and all that? Bluetooth? Chirping sounds all over? Small lil phone? Can't beat that

Posted by: frail

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHoTTa35

I got my first GSM phone in about 2003 i think but i was drooling over that Nokia 83xx series:

here:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=31

That was the first GSM phone I bought when ATTWS launched GSM/GPRS in the Seattle/Tacoma market. I loved it. If it had GSM 850 I'd probably still have it.

Posted by: zephxiii

Quote:

Originally Posted by autumninchicago

It's from at&t CEO Ralph de la Vega:

Question: So what is the status right now with HSUPA and in the larger sense, the 3G rollout? How do you view where you're at in terms of being behind Verizon in roll out area and coverage and what's the next step to really--

Answer: I think you will see fairly soon, we are launching markets as we speak, and will get well beyond 200 million POPs [points of presence, i.e. prospective customers] in 2008, and that's very close to what Verizon and Sprint have. The stuff that we are rolling out today is HSUPA as well, so we have the throughput equal to Verizon or Sprint on the uplink ,and equal or better on the downlink. So they won't have anything that they would claim superiority on us in terms of our 3G capability by sometime in the middle of next year.

Interview from Engadget.com

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/26/...tandt-mobility/

Thanks, hopefully what he says is true, and maybe that chick at the corp store was right about Q1 3G deployment where I am after all

Posted by: autumninchicago

Quote:

Originally Posted by zephxiii

Thanks, hopefully what he says is true, and maybe that chick at the corp store was right about Q1 3G deployment where I am after all

The things is Even though Sprint and VZW have updated their 3G network to Rev.A but there is NO phone as far as I know has Rev. A chip in it. They gonna update a firmware for HTC 6800 in 2008 but at&t already have bunch of phones with HSDPA 3.6.....so at&t's network is playing catch up with phones.

Posted by: RogerPodacter

i cant wait for next year network improvements with 3G.

curious, what is the download of EVDO on verizon right now? there is a recent thread in ATT subforum that florida has some 3.6HSDPA sites active now. and the guy ran speed tests and got 2.2Mbps and 2.4Mbps download. if all 3G cell sites are this fast next year, with improved 3g coverage to boot, it will be a very good year for ATT.

Posted by: Baldilocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

i cant wait for next year network improvements with 3G.

curious, what is the download of EVDO on verizon right now? there is a recent thread in ATT subforum that florida has some 3.6HSDPA sites active now. and the guy ran speed tests and got 2.2Mbps and 2.4Mbps download. if all 3G cell sites are this fast next year, with improved 3g coverage to boot, it will be a very good year for ATT.

I sure hope so. I was reading in the Rogers Forum that they already have HSPA 7.2 wireless cards available. (Don't know if the network supports them in Canada but they are selling them at least.)

I believe the next revision of EV-DO is comparable to HSPA 7.2 in theoretical DL/UL speeds. (Although it will still remain data only.)

Posted by: autumninchicago

VZW is at Rev. A now in ALL OF THEIR 3G NETWORK:

TIA-856 Rev A

Rev. A offers fast packet establishment on both the forward and reverse links along with air interface enhancements that reduce latency and improve data rates. In addition to the increase in the maximum burst downlink rate from 2.45 Mbit/s to 3.1 Mbit/s, Rev. A has a significant improvement in the maximum uplink data rate, from 153 kbit/s to a maximum uplink burst rate of 1.8 Mbit/s. This improvement assumes early acknowledgment of the first subpacket, typical data rates therefore average below 1 Mbit/s.

TIA-856 Rev B

EV-DO Rev B is a multi-carrier evolution of the Rev A specification. It maintains the capabilities of EVDO Rev A, and provides the following enhancements:
Higher rates per carrier (up to 4.9 Mbit/s on the downlink per carrier). Typical deployments are expected to include 3 carriers for a peak rate of 14.7 Mbit/s
Higher rates by bundling multiple channels together enhances user experience and enables new services such as high definition video streaming.
Uses statistical multiplexing across channels to further reduce latency, enhancing the experience for latency-sensitive services such as gaming, video telephony, remote console sessions and web browsing.
Increased talk-time and standby time
Hybrid frequency re-use which reduces the interference from the adjacent sectors and improves the rates that can be offered, especially to users at the edge of the cell.
Efficient support for services that have asymmetric download and upload requirements (i.e. different data rates required in each direction) such as file transfers, web browsing, and broadband multimedia content delivery.
A video demonstration of EVDO rev B capabilities can be found at [1]. There have been no product public operator or vendor commitments to Rev B, and it appears as though the industry is moving away from the Qualcomm dominated CDMA air-interface towards OFDM based technologies such as 3G-LTE and WiMax

Posted by: formercanuck

I don't suspect there will be a push for EVDO Rev B.

Posted by: N.Y. Johnny

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodeh6

Don't worry about 4G now.

2008 is the year 3G will be all the rage and AT&T will have a great 3G network with great phones to go along with it.

I really hope so. If AT&T had better 3G here where I am now in Texas it will be game over. The situation now is just not happening, its quite sad. I've got a place outside San Antonio and that was Cellone. The Speeds now for EDGE are better than the 32kbps Cellular One had which was just abysmal. Hopefully they'll improve the Texas network down here where I am and have 3G in other places than just certain spots IN San Antonio and Austin.

Posted by: zephxiii

so any new news on 3G expansion?

Posted by: nero

Newb question... is AT&T going to be aggressive with their 850 band 3G or is that an afterthought and they'll be pushing the 1900?

Posted by: OffTheHorseCEO

any word on smithfield nc 27577

Posted by: RogerPodacter

Quote:

Originally Posted by nero

Newb question... is AT&T going to be aggressive with their 850 band 3G or is that an afterthought and they'll be pushing the 1900?

the word on the street is in february all the old network must be shut down per the government. a good amount of old spectrum is being used by 850. so the plan is that when this becomes available, technically in feb this year, att can use it. att wants to put as much 3g onto 850 as possible, anywhere they hold the license i would think they want to use it for 3g. i'm not sure it will be a flip the switch thing, cause they prob need engineers to do the work. but 2008 is supposed to be the year to knock all this out. i cant wait.

Posted by: nero

Awesome... simply awesome!!!! I can't wait either!!

Posted by: urmobilesky

Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-A707/1.0 SHP/VPP/R5 NetFront/3.3 SMM-MMS/1.2.0 profile/MIDP-2.0 configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.1.17.06.3.1.17.0)

Rumor has it, the majority of at&t owned towers should be live with 3G by around mid year, maybe July. If thats the case, the engineers and at&t network services are very busy and have their work cut out for them. At this point, is such a large rollout still possible within 6 months?

Posted by: RogerPodacter

Quote:

Originally Posted by urmobilesky

Wirelessly posted (SAMSUNG-SGH-A707/1.0 SHP/VPP/R5 NetFront/3.3 SMM-MMS/1.2.0 profile/MIDP-2.0 configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.1.17.06.3.1.17.0)

Rumor has it, the majority of at&t owned towers should be live with 3G by around mid year, maybe July. If thats the case, the engineers and at&t network services are very busy and have their work cut out for them. At this point, is such a large rollout still possible within 6 months?

wow that's a bold plan for sure. i dont know how feasible it is. i guess if they use the same engineers who have been turning on the 3G, that the speed will increase due to learning the in's and out's of previous installations. it could be possible. especially since i dont think ATT had the money to push hard in 2007 due to mergers and buyouts. if they concentrate completely on 3g, they theoretically only have to add to existing towers. throw all the resources at it, and i bet it could be 90% complete.

Posted by: i0wnj00

Quote:

Originally Posted by urmobilesky

At this point, is such a large rollout still possible within 6 months?

What needs to be known is how many AT&T cell sites have 3G online out of the 45,000 or so they have and, the rate per day/week/month 3G sites are being brought online. The rest is simple math, but without this information we have no idea where they are right now or even if 6 months is a realistic timeframe.

Posted by: zephxiii

There has been a number of 3G deployment press releases so far this new year. One yesterday about the expansion in the MD/VA/PA areas.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?p...nding_year=2008