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iPhone vs 8525/Tilt, Also Copy-Paste

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Posted by: larrytxeast

I just joined these forums about 3 days ago. I am one of those that for the longest time has had "ancient" phones, I proudly used Nokias circa 2002 or so that used "classic" LCD displays (the ones like your watch); heck, it's only been the last 2 months or so that I've even started doing any texting at all.

Now, though, I'm ready to get a smartphone. My main usage for having a smart phone would be somewhat for texting, but ESPECIALLY for web browsing, some email (running MS Outlook or the like in the background checking Gmail every 10 minutes via POP3 is fine). I would do little, if any, laptop tethering, and since I use my own little stand-alone MP3 player, media playback--video or audio--is of no consequence at this time.

I was all set to invest in the iPhone when I learned something very troubling, that all of you know about of course--lack of copy-paste. I seriously can't imagine tolerating that limitation. I use it all the time even when merely web-browsing. I am, all the time, copying-pasting text into a text editor like Notepad (to strip out the formatting and to keep it handy for re-use) and then pasting it into things I'm doing, even online.

Has anyone developed a 3rd party application that puts this functionality on the iPhone, or this a limitation we have to live with period? Any speculation as to whether future firmware upgrades are apt to add this back?

My other alternative that has surfaced is the Cingular/AT&T 8525. I am sure it has copy-paste, I like that its touchscreen uses a stylus, it would use 3G if it's in the area, and I have one offered to me for sale for $250 that would also include spare batteries and a 2 Gb card (and it's unlocked, too). I am all set to do this, the only thing is that I hear mixed opinions as to whether its web browsing experience is anything like the iPhone, even if you install Opera Mini. Can anyone comment on this?

I am thinking that I should try out the Tilt (the 8525's successor) in stores, that might give me an idea as to what its web browsing experience is like, but then, I imagine the store sample won't have Opera Mini (or something else like it) installed.

Tips?


Posted by: Akira87

Quote:
Originally Posted by larrytxeast
I just joined these forums about 3 days ago. I am one of those that for the longest time has had "ancient" phones, I proudly used Nokias circa 2002 or so that used "classic" LCD displays (the ones like your watch); heck, it's only been the last 2 months or so that I've even started doing any texting at all.

Now, though, I'm ready to get a smartphone. My main usage for having a smart phone would be somewhat for texting, but ESPECIALLY for web browsing, some email (running MS Outlook or the like in the background checking Gmail every 10 minutes via POP3 is fine). I would do little, if any, laptop tethering, and since I use my own little stand-alone MP3 player, media playback--video or audio--is of no consequence at this time.

I was all set to invest in the iPhone when I learned something very troubling, that all of you know about of course--lack of copy-paste. I seriously can't imagine tolerating that limitation. I use it all the time even when merely web-browsing. I am, all the time, copying-pasting text into a text editor like Notepad (to strip out the formatting and to keep it handy for re-use) and then pasting it into things I'm doing, even online.

Has anyone developed a 3rd party application that puts this functionality on the iPhone, or this a limitation we have to live with period? Any speculation as to whether future firmware upgrades are apt to add this back?

My other alternative that has surfaced is the Cingular/AT&T 8525. I am sure it has copy-paste, I like that its touchscreen uses a stylus, it would use 3G if it's in the area, and I have one offered to me for sale for $250 that would also include spare batteries and a 2 Gb card (and it's unlocked, too). I am all set to do this, the only thing is that I hear mixed opinions as to whether its web browsing experience is anything like the iPhone, even if you install Opera Mini. Can anyone comment on this?

I am thinking that I should try out the Tilt (the 8525's successor) in stores, that might give me an idea as to what its web browsing experience is like, but then, I imagine the store sample won't have Opera Mini (or something else like it) installed.

Tips?


since youll do texting and web browsing, def the 8525, cant go wrong with a qwerty, though iphone comes a little better on the web browsing aspect


Posted by: JonnyBruha

Yeah, web browsing won't be as good, but you'll be gaining much more functionality (specifically, copy and paste). There are tons of hacks and workarounds that people have developed for the iPhone to try to give it basic phone functionality, but there are still certain things that just can't be done, like sending files over Bluetooth, sending attachments other than pictures, and cut and paste.

You can install Opera Mini on the Tilt at the AT&T store if someone hasn't already (go to operamini.com in Pocket Internet Explorer), but I'll tell you right now, it still won't be as good as the iPhone's browser in terms of appearance. It'll be fast and functional, but it won't look nearly as good. The only browser that comes close to the iPhone is the 3rd Edition browser because what it lacks in visual quality it makes up for with speed and features. If you can, try out the N75, Tilt, and iPhone at an AT&T store for web browsing and everything else you'd use it for. If you and up liking the N75, there's a whole new world of phones that you can pick up outside of what AT&T is offering that might be better for you.


Posted by: bachviet

I would pick the 8525 or 8925 over the iPhone. Even my 5700 has more basic functions than the iPhone.


Posted by: T-Zonedout

For $149 with new service. It has HSDPA speed, a Star III GPS, Bluetooth, WiFi, the whole nine yards. Reports are (sorry I can't put my hands on any at the moment) that Opera works even better than the enhanced IE shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...2BXSXH0NFF35VFB


Posted by: huskyfan23

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Zonedout
For $149 with new service. It has HSDPA speed, a Star III GPS, Bluetooth, WiFi, the whole nine yards. Reports are (sorry I can't put my hands on any at the moment) that Opera works even better than the enhanced IE shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...2BXSXH0NFF35VFB

What an awesome price! Definitely go for the Tilt/8525. If music/video is at the top of your list then go with the iPhone.


Posted by: nfl46

So which did you get? If you notice most of the people that responded are not iPhone owners. Texting on the keyboard is really easy. It just takes a few days to get used to typing with two hands. The iPhone browser is really good though...


Posted by: wolvorine4424

i had an iPhone for about 20 minutes...
Will get any phone, Just not the iPhone.


Posted by: MDAUSER99

I'm an iPhone user. I love it for some things. But the lack of basic features such as cut-and-paste and, more important to me, the ability to SEARCH my emails for my last travel confirmation alert, etc.....it blows when it comes to really simple PDA functions to be blunt.

Get a blackberry and just learn to live with it's limitations when it comes to the web. Unlike a lot of the posters here, however, I'd tell you to look at the Curve from AT&T. It's the most consumer-friendly Blackberry made to date and has very good camera and media options for a RIM device. The Pearl is very nice also, although you'll either love or hate the keyboard.


Posted by: jontymisra

BB's are only good thru data plans, the 8525 has Wifi, so the OP isnt necessarily locked into a data plan.
Also, BB's are good for email/web browsing only.


Posted by: MDAUSER99

Quote:
Originally Posted by jontymisra
BB's are only good thru data plans, the 8525 has Wifi, so the OP isnt necessarily locked into a data plan.
Also, BB's are good for email/web browsing only.


Depends on the service provider. The 8320 Curve from Tmo has WiFi and even supports VOIP via their Hotspot @ Home service and UMA. Although as an owner of one, the WiFi speeds aren't a whole lot peppier than Edge. Not sure why thats the case, but that's been my experience.

But agreed, a Blackberry without a data plan is kind of like a condom in your wallet while on a deserted island.

I've got an MDA from Tmo, effectively the same thing as the 8525, that I used about a year. It's an OK device, likely will fit the needs as espoused by the OP, but I found it way too bulky compared to other devices. Make sure you get a belt pouch for the thing. Typing on it was pretty good though...I hardly ever used the stylus or touch-screen functions. Movie playback (WMV at 320x240) was very good.


Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:
Originally Posted by MDAUSER99
Depends on the service provider. The 8320 Curve from Tmo has WiFi and even supports VOIP via their Hotspot @ Home service and UMA. Although as an owner of one, the WiFi speeds aren't a whole lot peppier than Edge. Not sure why thats the case, but that's been my experience.

But agreed, a Blackberry without a data plan is kind of like a condom in your wallet while on a deserted island.

I've got an MDA from Tmo, effectively the same thing as the 8525, that I used about a year. It's an OK device, likely will fit the needs as espoused by the OP, but I found it way too bulky compared to other devices. Make sure you get a belt pouch for the thing. Typing on it was pretty good though...I hardly ever used the stylus or touch-screen functions. Movie playback (WMV at 320x240) was very good.


Correct abt the 8320. But alot of apps for BB can only run thru the data plan. Very limited apps work over Wifi. That's the only reason why I never bought the 8320, which I was extremely tempted to get.




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