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Posted by: coolcellmunda

Everyone is calling iphone as the smartest phone of 2007 but it lacks the basic features of a smart phone like active sync or support for push email

can not send multiple pictures in a email and the list can be long like anything

so i will call it a advanced ipod that can make calls

Posted by: jhkaplan

Thanks for the news.

Posted by: FoneTek

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

Everyone is calling iphone as the smartest phone of 2007 but it lacks the basic features of a smart phone like active sync or support for push email

can not send multiple pictures in a email and the list can be long like anything

so i will call it a advanced ipod that can make calls

Call it what you want. I'm very pleased with mine. I'm gonna call your sig too long

Posted by: dmblue

vote for most useless post of 2008

Posted by: bootycancer

It is a common reaction to new Iphone owners.
It's funny, you can read for days about all the little things it lacks. But it doesn't really sink in until you own it and fiddle with it for an hour. Then you start second guessing your cool new toy.

I currently just use mine, solely for an Ipod. It stays hooked up to an Ipod adapter in the console of my truck. I became distant from my "cell-buddies" because of the Iphone. So I went back to my 8525, as I can text faster, browse the internet faster, and send pics and stuff. I do miss the big/sexy Iphone touchscreen though.

Posted by: nfl46

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

LoL, who cares? The Iphone is still going to sell regardless. You don't have to get it. There are millions who seem to like it.

Posted by: tzac11

Just came in here to state that 'a lot' is two words...Thank You.

Posted by: H0CKEY

well for me the iphone is just a backup phone , but its a awsome phone for browsin the web, and the battery life is pretty decent, sure it lacks alot and is very limited but i enjoy it alot , but sure it doesn't compare to my N95 8GB functions and specs, but as a secondary phone its perfect

Posted by: SimTech

Hey, don't like it, don't get it. Leave us alone.....

Posted by: thraven233

Yeah.. you didn't realize this in June?

Posted by: onyxgrapple

Honestly, coming from a Nokia N95 owner...I absolutely enjoy using the Iphone's interface! Nokia's Symbian gets really boring after awhile. Both phones still has it flaws and what not. But both phones also has strong features and a dash of innovation. There's no need to put the Iphone down. I currently own both phones...but I only use my N95 as a backup

Posted by: XanderMac

Wow, Seriously? I had no idea, thank God you showed up! I'd stay away from the iPhone then mate.

Posted by: bootycancer

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Originally Posted by XanderMac

Wow, Seriously? I had no idea, thank God you showed up! I'd stay away from the iPhone then mate.

Don't guess you got the memo

No matter, Apple, Linux, or M$...It's still computing. They all crash the same

Posted by: XanderMac

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Originally Posted by bootycancer

Don't guess you got the memo

No matter, Apple, Linux, or M$...It's still computing. They all crash the same

That's very true. I have to clear the cache and reset (not restore!) my iPhone every couple of days to stop the iPod and safari crashing. To add insult to injury when I do reset some of my podcasts are randomly marked as unplayed forcing me to manage them manually with iTunes! As long as apple have been making iPods I think that is unacceptable. iPhone is not without its quirks.

Posted by: Mark Booth

No quirks in my iPhone. No crashes or any other types of problems. It just works!!

But I do turn it off every single night after I've sync'd it and charged it. So, it's a "fresh boot" each morning when I turn it back on.

Mark

Posted by: bootycancer

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Originally Posted by Mark Booth

No quirks in my iPhone. No crashes or any other types of problems. It just works!!

But I do turn it off every single night after I've sync'd it and charged it. So, it's a "fresh boot" each morning when I turn it back on.

Mark

That's kinda extreme, but if it works.

As far as stability goes, only the release of the SDK/3rd party will tell the tale. Luckily, Apple has decided to filter all 3rd party apps. How they'll manage THAT, I don't know. But it sounds good. Maybe it's more of a profitable thing than it will be a quality thing, but only time will tell. Hopefully the apps will be of some use, and not stupid widgets that have no REAL worthiness.

Posted by: t-bone-t

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Originally Posted by XanderMac

That's weird. I never turn my phone off and don't have any problems like that.

Posted by: KoukiFC3S

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Originally Posted by t-bone-t

That's weird. I never turn my phone off and don't have any problems like that.

Well if you browse websites with a lot of content you will get it after a few days.
Try engadget or gizmodo, they just are not practical to browse on the iphone.

Google maps did it to me today too. I haven't reset in a few weeks and it just closed on me.

Posted by: coolcellmunda

i dont want me to ANTI IPHONE or anything like that coz i love my iphone too but i just wanted to discuss to i posted sorry but did not wanted to offend anyone

Posted by: Doctor Whom

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

i dont want me to ANTI IPHONE or anything like that coz i love my iphone too but i just wanted to discuss to i posted sorry but did not wanted to offend anyone

It's not offensive, but it is old news. I am not the spokesperson for all iPhone users, but before buying, I weighed such considerations and still decided that the iPhone was for me.

Posted by: dsigma6

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Originally Posted by bootycancer

So I went back to my 8525, as I can text faster, browse the internet faster, and send pics and stuff.

Text faster? OK, I believe you.

Surf faster? I don't believe you at all. At all. At all. And at all.

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Originally Posted by H0CKEY

well for me the iphone is just a backup phone , but its a awsome phone for browsin the web, and the battery life is pretty decent, sure it lacks alot and is very limited but i enjoy it alot , but sure it doesn't compare to my N95 8GB functions and specs, but as a secondary phone its perfect

Oh get over yourself.

Posted by: shaolinmonk

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

i dont want me to ANTI IPHONE or anything like that coz i love my iphone too but i just wanted to discuss to i posted sorry but did not wanted to offend anyone

installer can help you with some of your "issues" long contact list.. install idialer.. it's a keypad that can dial contacts based on t9. (like a smart search function.)

there's also an active sync app out there not sure if it works though...

heck the installer has so much stuff and most is free... imo it rivals the amount of junk i install in my s60 phones... and it's all easily accesssible right from my phone.. no signing, no keygen, no unzipping or unraring...

Posted by: XanderMac

I'm sorry but I can't believe anyone that says they have a flawless iPhone. There are a lot of known bugs that apple admit to. If you get the apple developer newsletters you'd see them all spelled out. Safari crashes are the most common, it used to be the iPod crashing but apple re-wrote their code to give the iPod priority so now safari will crash before the iPod. Text messages out of order is another issue under 113 that apple admit too but have no solution and the podcasts randomly being marked as unplayed (111, 112 & 113) is yet another. The iPhone doesn't have enough ram to multitask and these issues are all caused by that hardware limitation. A perfect iPhone does not exist, just ask Apple.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

You have to remember that the iphone is like a beta device. A first gen phone. It has the most advanced OS and UI no doubt about it. Why would it need active sync? It syncs fine with my computer with itunes? Email etc. Push e'mail is coming. Many features are coming. WM, Symbian did not have all the functions they now enjoy when they were first released. Here is some good info for you.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...kernel-and-ram/

Posted by: shaolinmonk

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Originally Posted by XanderMac

I'm sorry but I can't believe anyone that says they have a flawless iPhone. There are a lot of known bugs that apple admit to. If you get the apple developer newsletters you'd see them all spelled out. Safari crashes are the most common, it used to be the iPod crashing but apple re-wrote their code to give the iPod priority so now safari will crash before the iPod. Text messages out of order is another issue under 113 that apple admit too but have no solution and the podcasts randomly being marked as unplayed (111, 112 & 113) is yet another. The iPhone doesn't have enough ram to multitask and these issues are all caused by that hardware limitation. A perfect iPhone does not exist, just ask Apple.

are you sure it's really a ram issue? there's about 90mb available for the phone.. according to sysinfo.. that's on par with a symbian phone...and symbian phones really don't crash anymore.. if anything i think they just need more time to "improve" the code....otherwise the iphone app might be just a little too bloated.. since it's only "semi" multitasking...

Posted by: bootycancer

I don't think that memory is a problem. It may be more of how it refreshes the memory though. It's most definetly at the user or application level, because I haven't really had the "OS" crash(maybe once or twice), which would be more of a hardware thing as it talks directly to the hardware. So fixing the little bugs should be fairly easy for Apple, at least once they hunt them down.

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Originally Posted by dsigma6

Text faster? OK, I believe you.

Surf faster? I don't believe you at all. At all. At all. And at all.

Oh get over yourself.

Are you being sarcastic? If not, why on Earth would you not believe me. Maybe you're the one that needs to get over yourself.

Posted by: shaolinmonk

@dsigma6

FYI: edge is slower then 3g lol

Posted by: XanderMac

its the way the iPhone caches its memory. It gets full and blows out an app to free up ram. The way the code was re-written safari is the 1st app to get force quit from ram.

Posted by: thraven233

I've had some small bugs, but most of them were post-jailbreaking. A simple restore fixed most of them. The only ones I currently have are the text messages going out of order (a restore has since fixed this, for now..) and in the mail app the top bar with the signal strength and battery seem to disappear..

Flawless, hell no. Small quirks that will be eventually worked out, considering this IS a first generation model, yes.

Posted by: Jayden0606

Oh my my messages are out of order... What will I do? Live with it. Crashes... my iPhone has never crashed until I installed 1.1.3 firmware. I've actually had a couple of crashes as of late. It's still better than all the millions of phones (to me) that I've owned.

Posted by: bootycancer

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Originally Posted by Jayden0606

Oh my my messages are out of order... What will I do? Live with it. Crashes... my iPhone has never crashed until I installed 1.1.3 firmware. I've actually had a couple of crashes as of late. It's still better than all the millions of phones (to me) that I've owned.

Live with it??? Other phones don't get their SMS's out of order. Other phones even have a date/time stamp to them, alot like email. Which is/can be very important, living with it is a less than preferable pill to swallow for me.

Your Safari hasn't crashed until 1.1.3? Funny! You are probably the only one. Actually, since 1.1.3, my Safari has been the most stable. At least, if I have multiple instances, and I close the last instance, the 2nd or 3rd instance reloads their original pages, and not the one that I just closed out. That sounds confusing, but I think most can understand what I'm talking about.

IMO, 1.1.3 has been the most stable update as of yet. I only used it for a week though, before I ripped the SIM and put it back into the console of my truck.

Posted by: dsigma6

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Originally Posted by bootycancer

Are you being sarcastic? If not, why on Earth would you not believe me. Maybe you're the one that needs to get over yourself.

You quoted me saying "oh get over yourself" with the two things I said to you about texting and surfing. Regarding getting over yourself, it was clearly quoted under another user's name (H0CKEY), not yours.

But one could say that means that you're paranoid about these things?

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Originally Posted by shaolinmonk

@dsigma6
FYI: edge is slower then 3g lol

WHO TOLD YOU THAT!?!?!?!

Posted by: bootycancer

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Originally Posted by dsigma6

WHO TOLD YOU THAT!?!?!?!

geez, I understood that you quoted someone else, I was simply implying that maybe you should take your own advice.
I have nothing to be paranoid about, I've been told and called much worse.

And as far as 3G speeds over EDGE, You don't have to be told, or read it in a forum. In the real world, 3G is indeed faster. It's technically proven both on paper, and in real world scenario. Do you have a 3G phone to say differently? Because for me, my 8525 is nearly 2x faster at loading web pages. Hell, It's Wifi may even be faster. But don't quote me on that, I seldomly use WiFi.

Posted by: KoukiFC3S

I agree that 3G on the 8525 is faster at loading pages, but the safari browser makes up for the lack of speed on the iPhone.
I used to seldom browse these forums on my HTC Touch and I'm here with my iPhone all the time.

As for wifi it's faster on the iPhone. I use to get 1MBps on my HTC Mogul and the iPhone gets 2MBps on the speedtest. Of course the pages load quicker as well.
If only they could fix that memory leak issue though!

Posted by: payroll

Maybe all the other smart phones are also missing features like buying songs right from phone, real looking web browser, easy weather updates, nice I'd

Posted by: Donnation

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Originally Posted by dmblue

vote for most useless post of 2008

I concur.

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Posted by: timmah333

When it comes to messages being out of order, my q9m has the same problem. They won't all be out of order, but sometimes when i receive a new message it'll appear half way down the list of messages, and when you have 300-400 sms messages in your inbox at one time, that can be a hassle to find

I'm not going to sit here and defend the iphone seeing as how i've only spent about, an hour with my friends' iphone, but I will say that you cannot find a smartphone that doesn't crash/slowdown. It's just impossible. Alot of it depends on what you do with the phone also, i remember my old xv6700 would freeze constantly,no matter what i was doing...and it wasn't just one unit, either, I'd have verizon replace it becuase they'd think it's an isolated issue, but all the replacements did it, also!

Posted by: Jayden0606

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Originally Posted by bootycancer

I never said anything about Safari. My iPhone in general. Also where did I mention anything about time/stamps for text messages? Bottom line, wait until the perfect phones finds its way into your hands. When you've found that perfect phone, let me know if it's flawless, because at that time, we can tell every other manufacturer to stop making phones, the goal of the perfect phone for all has been reached!

Posted by: XanderMac

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Originally Posted by Jayden0606

So your iPhone has never become unresponsive and had to be reset? I'll say it if no one else will. You sir, are a liar. its one thing to be a fan boy, its another entirely to be blinkered. The iPhone isn't perfect, we all know this except apparently for you. I guess you do have to spout the company line from that at$t mall cart though. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: coolcellmunda

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Originally Posted by payroll

Maybe all the other smart phones are also missing features like buying songs right from phone, real looking web browser, easy weather updates, nice I'd

yeah i will agree to the buying songs right from the phone but nokia n82 comes with the unlimited download songs service

and also it looks like you have never used the nokia web browser and also haven`t played with too many different smartphone else you would have never wrote these lines ......

Posted by: toomer

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Originally Posted by XanderMac

So your iPhone has never become unresponsive and had to be reset? I'll say it if no one else will. You sir, are a liar.

Did you jailbreak your phone? Unlock it? Install all sorts of apps from Installer? Because if you did, I would say your unfortunate experiences are probably due to that.

If not, you are just unfortunate.

Personally, in the 7 months since launch day, I think I've had to reset my phone about 2-3 times. And that was all on earlier firmwares. The more recent firmwares, I never have to reset it at all...

Does Safari crash sometimes? Sure. But the stability on the iPhone, for me, is lightyears ahead of every other "smart" phone out there.

IMO, that's an important "feature" that the iPhone has that a lot of other smart phones do not!

Posted by: Mark Larson

I think I can weigh in here... I'm a fan of the iPhone, even though I'm not using one and don't even own a single Apple product. But I can safely say that I've never felt the need for Exchange sync, and God help Apple if Activestink makes its way onto the Mac.

The iPhone has given the entire industry a collective kick up its @ss. Windows Mobile, Symbian, hell even RIM is worried. It brought 2008-2009 specs to 2007, and for that it should be lauded. Where the hell are the $399 smartphones with 4-8GB of memory? Where are the big touchscreens in small devices? Where is the usability and pizazz?

Windows Mobile has been stuck in a rut for around 4 years. Each update is barely a point release, but they dress it up and market it as the next big thing. WinMo is my favorite topic to rant about, but like a battered husband, I just keep going back for more.

My current phone is an HTC Touch. With PocketCM and S2U2, I replicated a lot of the eye candy of the iPhone. But the screen is still tiny, the memory is still lacking, and it doesn't have a proper touchscreen QWERTY keyboard. HTC, in their infinite wisdom, decided to only give you a QWERTY when you're typing a password.

I'm prepared for the Touch to crash often. But I'm happy that the iPhone has lit a fire under MS and basically done what the Athlon did to Intel. I always root for the underdog, but unfortunately, Apple and AT&T prices are anything but underdog.

Posted by: AlphaTeam

The iPhone lacks a lot things, but it's got two essential things that other companies severely lacks: Good marketing and attention to asthetics.

I think it's safe to say Apple's approach to a product is "Make it look nice, worry about features later"

Posted by: Jayden0606

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Originally Posted by XanderMac

With a sig like that, we know who the real fanboy is. I could care less about apple or microsoft or any phone manufacturer. I'm really not looking to be "cool" on the internet by lying about crashes. My phone hasn't. I know to reset my phone every two days. I guess since your iPhone crashes, that means all iPhones crash for all users. If I only worked in a store, you may have made sense. If you don't like at&t and the iPhone, go to the voyager. I honestly don't care how many subscribers come or go, I care about my check every two weeks and phone thirst being quenched, at least until the iPhone 2.0 or the Nüvifone.

Posted by: jontymisra

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Originally Posted by AlphaTeam

The iPhone lacks a lot things, but it's got two essential things that other companies severely lacks: Good marketing and attention to asthetics.

I think it's safe to say Apple's approach to a product is "Make it look nice, worry about features later"

The marketing department at Apple have done an awesome job at promoting a half-featured dumb phone amongst other real smart phones.

Posted by: melmac

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Originally Posted by KoukiFC3S

I browse endgadget every day with no issues on my phone at all. Safari never crashes and Google Maps hasn't either. I only clear my cache once every couple weeks at best, and haven't done a reset or anything besides upgrade it since I got it. Also, the iPhone does exactly what it tries to arguably the best out of any phone. One fo the best music phones, best phoen to watch video on, I get great reception and all phone features are present, and I can text with it. I'm not dissappointed by a lack of features at all, I bought it for a phone, portable media player/viewer, and the mobile web browsing. And no matter how Apple or uninformed reviewers posture, the iPhone ain't a smartphone and if you did two minutes of research, you won't purchase it if you were looking for one. Apple, please add more features I'll occassionally/never use or need and reduce the performance/stability of the device! Oh wait, I already had a phone like that (AT&T Tilt)

Posted by: babikian

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

Nice option would be adding an automatic windshield wiper for the screen,such as my X5 has,but I would content myself with Java support.

Posted by: Fishbulb2020

I have no problems with browsing countless websites on the iPhone. Once in a blue moon Safari will close on me, but its a rare occurrence.

Posted by: Silent Witness

I'm simply waiting for Apple to add more GB so i could use it as a backup phone n replace my 5G iPod for my music/video collection. I want at least 16GB, better virtual keyboard, n better loudspeaker. iPod Touch isnt 4 me cuz it lacks the phone n external speaker. Cant stand that chrome back too. iPhone still sports the biggest screen among phones. I can live without 3G if it keeps the batt life decent. I'm only hesitant because of probs syncing my iPod with that ball n chain known as iTunes + limited video codec support. A branded iPhone is mediocre to me. Jailbroken n SDK holds my interest. Apple did good for a Gen 1 phone tho. Like Nokia n their N95's, Apple can learn from previous mistakes n make one better. 3G is definitely a must in Euro/Asian markets.

Posted by: AlphaTeam

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Originally Posted by babikian

Nice option would be adding an automatic windshield wiper for the screen,such as my X5 has,but I would content myself with Java support.

If you're refering to the car, then I'd like say my wiper's break a lot. Pretty dangerous and I'm about 100k over the warranty.

Posted by: Mark Larson

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Originally Posted by jontymisra

The marketing department at Apple have done an awesome job at promoting a half-featured dumb phone amongst other real smart phones.

The hype is there for a reason. The iPhone is game changing.

Posted by: jontymisra

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Originally Posted by Mark Larson

The hype is there for a reason. The iPhone is game changing.

It's the Idiot-proof OS that was game changing, nothing else.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by jontymisra

The marketing department at Apple have done an awesome job at promoting a half-featured dumb phone amongst other real smart phones.

Half-featured? I didn't know that OSX was a dumb OS. Your right it really isn't a smartphone since it has a full fledged OS and not a mobile OS. Apple caught everyone with their pants down, period. There is a reason why every major phone manufactuer is working their Rearch and Development departments overtime trying to come with a answer to the iphone.

If it was so "dumb" as you put it why is Nokia, Moto, Samsung, coming up with competitors? Why is Nokia adding features such as "youtube, 8gb memory, screen rotation, bigger screen on the N95?

If there was no Iphone do you thing those specs would ever happen? I think not. The iphone is game changing, whether you admit it or not. The OS is leaps and bounds more advanced than anything out there. To say it's "dumb" is "dumb".

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...kernel-and-ram/
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wirele...e?currentPage=1
http://macosrumors.com/articles/iphone-cpu-speed/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...x-architecture/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...ile-mac-apps-2/

" When there is something good in the world, We copy with pride".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvBqtx43x90

Posted by: ski1ski1

Yes, the iPhone has a great OS. And an OS is an important foundation for any computer and phone. But the OS should be transparent to the user. What's important to the user is the actually features. And that's where the iPhone is lacking. Talking about the OS is like talking about the engine in your car. Sure it might be a great performing engine, but there are many other features that are important to the owner of the car.

Posted by: KoukiFC3S

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Originally Posted by melmac

Consider yourself lucky then. I browsed 3 pages of Engadget (or Gizmodo... forgot) today till it closed by itself.

Posted by: Mark Larson

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Originally Posted by ski1ski1

Yes, Windows Mobile is a great OS. And an OS is an important foundation for any computer and phone. But the OS should be transparent to the user. What's important to the user is the actually features. And that's where Windows Mobile is lacking. Talking about the OS is like talking about the engine in your car. Sure it might be a great performing engine, but there are many other features that are important to the owner of the car.

There, fixed that for you.

Posted by: Eckono

IPhone is def. game changing. Thats why all the other cell-phone manufacturers are trying to mimic iPhone features. Yeah windows mobile phones may offer a few more features than the iPhone, but all the tweaking that comes with a winmo device makes it not worth it to me. Safari is by far the best browser on a cell phone to date. When 3G iPhone comes out I guarantee if all the other cellphone makers dont step it up, they are gonna get consumed. iPhone changed the game with a mediocre edge connection. Wait until 3G.

Posted by: ski1ski1

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Originally Posted by Mark Larson

There, fixed that for you.

That's funny....thanks

Posted by: coolcellmunda

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Originally Posted by KoukiFC3S

I agree that 3G on the 8525 is faster at loading pages, but the safari browser makes up for the lack of speed on the iPhone.
I used to seldom browse these forums on my HTC Touch and I'm here with my iPhone all the time.

As for wifi it's faster on the iPhone. I use to get 1MBps on my HTC Mogul and the iPhone gets 2MBps on the speedtest. Of course the pages load quicker as well.
If only they could fix that memory leak issue though!

i never knew iphone have a memory leak issue

Posted by: jontymisra

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Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Before you go on a rampage by proving multiple links supporting the iPhone, slow down and think about what it CANT do. I dont knw, maybe the whole copy paste issue/ sending files over bluetooth/ no exchange support etc etc.

Features present in a SMARTphone.

Please, I said it was a DUMB phone, but a phone that didnt have a great UI.

It's only forced manufacturers to make phones with better UI. Not bigger screens (Obviously you dont know WM phones have had massive screens since beginning of time).

Like I said, Apple's marketing team has done it again, promoted a half baked product (which is not a complete phone because for Gods sake a RAZR has more phone like features). The only thing Apple got right the 1st time around was the UI with the idiot-proof OS. This does NOT make it a smartphone by default.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by ski1ski1

Yes, the iPhone has a great OS. And an OS is an important foundation for any computer and phone. But the OS should be transparent to the user. What's important to the user is the actually features. And that's where the iPhone is lacking. Talking about the OS is like talking about the engine in your car. Sure it might be a great performing engine, but there are many other features that are important to the owner of the car.

I agree totally. But isn't the OS the biggest feature on the iphone? The iphone changed the game by making the OS and the UI the main feature of the device I consider the iphone like a beta device. It is lacking features but has the biggest engine using your analogy.

It isn't what the iphone does, its how it does it.

Traditional rules of smartphones and how they should operate do not apply to the iphone because the OS and the UI and how you interact with the device is the main feature of the phone. It isn't just using the device, it interacting with it. That is the main feature.

Features will come as will apps in the future. More memory, bigger camera, more apps. But calling the OS "dumb" isn't correct. The iphone is lacking in features, yes. Basic ones at that. But WM, Symbian, Blackberry all the big time smartphone OS's were too when they were first released. Shipping with a built in ipod is a nice feature though.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by jontymisra

Half-baked? Not a great UI? Are you kidding?

"but a phone that didnt have a great UI.

Don't you mean does have a great UI?"

Please see my above post for reference.

Posted by: bootycancer

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

i never knew iphone have a memory leak issue

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Originally Posted by jontymisra

(which is not a complete phone because for Gods sake a RAZR has more phone like features).

I would love to stick the guts from a RAZR into the Iphone's case/touchscreen.

I'm not understand why people are saying that the Iphone OS is a full OSX OS. It's dumbed/slimmed down just like any other mobile OS. If anything, WinMo is closer to a full XP/2K OS than the Iphone's dumbed down OSX.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

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Originally Posted by bootycancer

If you click a link in one instance of Safari, it'll fire up another instance(like open link in new window). Now if you close down that second instance, your first instance goes to the page you just closed down.
Or at least I guess that's the leak they're referring to. This seems to be 100 times better in 1.1.3.

I would love to stick the guts from a RAZR into the Iphone's case/touchscreen.

I'm not understand why people are saying that the Iphone OS is a full OSX OS. It's dumbed/slimmed down just like any other mobile OS. If anything, WinMo is closer to a full XP/2K OS than the Iphone's dumbed down OSX.

Ahh. No.

Read a few of the links i provided for reference in a earlier post. Maybe because it is. I guess Apple is lying, as is every expert that have cracked the iphone to unlock it.

It has a full kernel just like it's big brother, WinMo has a micro-kernel. Big difference.

Here is one:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...kernel-and-ram/

and another:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...x-architecture/

Posted by: bootycancer

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Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

OK. So why are we so limited?
I can configure, edit, install apps, manage memory, change settings, appearance, sounds, excel, word, and just about anything I can do on a XP box, I can do on WinMo.

You can do all the same in OSX.

You cannot do any of this on the Iphone.

Are you saying that Windows can do twice as much on a "micro-kernel" as Apple can do on a "complete kernel"

Posted by: ski1ski1

Yes, because of OS X, the iPhone has a lot of potential. Maybe more then any other current phone. But that is the key word....potential. Just like Linux has a lot of potential. Potential does not mean anything to the user when it comes to day to day use. It's what the device can actually do now, today, and how it does it, that's important.

Posted by: toomer

Quote:

Originally Posted by bootycancer

I'm not understand why people are saying that the Iphone OS is a full OSX OS. It's dumbed/slimmed down just like any other mobile OS. If anything, WinMo is closer to a full XP/2K OS than the Iphone's dumbed down OSX.

Slimmed down? Sure. No need for a lot of the USB device support that comes in OSX on an iPhone (thumb drives, scanners, keyboards, mice, etc.) so they cut those things out.

Optimized for a smaller touchscreen, instead of traditional desktop screens? Yes. Absolutely.

"Dumbed down"??? Please - do tell. Tell us all how the iPhone OS has been "dumbed down", not inclusive of the items I've mentioned above.

Given that the development teams have been able to take existing binaries for SSHd and run them, basically unmodified (as far as I've been able to tell), on the iPhone ... says it's real OS X on there.

WinMo? Now that's dumbed down. Try to take any Windows XP or Vista app, and run it on your WinMo phone. Won't happen.

Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Half-baked? Not a great UI? Are you kidding?

"but a phone that didnt have a great UI.

Don't you mean does have a great UI?"

Please see my above post for reference.

I meant great UI. But, it's still a dumbphone regardless of it's hardware "capabilities".

The day I can edit MS documents/ use BB connect/ be able to view flash websites/ mass text/ have multiple bluetooth profiles/ better camera/ movie recording/ sync over exchange and MS outlook completely then I'll consider the iPhone a smartphone. This is just my simple list.
I am sure others have an even more extensive list.

As of right now I stand corrected. It's an iPod touch with an incomplete phone added onto it.

Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:

Originally Posted by toomer

Any file capable of running on Windows is capable of running on WinMo, this includes ALL Office 2007 files as well. All types of syncing options available on Windows are also present on WinMo.

Need a more extensive list? I'm sure any veteran WinMo user can come here and write pages upon pages on the infinite number of applications (productive applications) are available for WinMo.

Posted by: toomer

Quote:

Originally Posted by jontymisra

Thank you for enlightening us. Thank you for clearing up all this confusion about what a SMARTphone is, and giving us the comprehensive, industry-standard definition of what features must be in a phone for it to be considered "SMART".

....oh please....

My first "smart" phone was the Kyocera QCP 6035 (http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/qcp-6035-smartphone/). What made it "smart" at the time? That you could run PDA applications, and that it synchronized your contacts, calendar, to-do list and notes with either the Palm Desktop software, or Outlook. When the 6035 came out, regular phones did not do this. So the 6035 was "smart".

Apparently, now, "smart" must mean -- according to you, anyway -- copy/paste, bluetooth file xfer, and Exchange ActiveSync support?

So what about all of those Windows Mobile Standard/Smartphone editions that don't have copy/paste? Are those dumb now?

We've had this argument ad nauseum here in this forum - and curiously enough from the non iPhone owners, the definition of a "SMART"phone is always a littany of features the iPhone does not provide today. Group SMS used to be on that list ... but now, suddely, everyone has shut up about that one.

In my opinion, the iPhone is a smartphone. In fact, it's a smarter phone than Symbian and WinMo models because it's built on a better, newer foundation. But given the stigma that "smart"phones have with the average Joe Consumer, I believe that Apple has intentionally tried to distance themselves away from the phrase. You could even hear Jobs' disdain for the term "smartphone" at the iPhone announcement in Jan 2007 with digs like "they're not very smart".

But the iPhone is plenty smart for my needs. How many phones do you know of where you can run a SSHd app from your desktop, on your phone? Not a "phone" version ... the same version you run on your desktop. I don't know of another phone that does that ... but a jailbroken iPhone will.

Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:

Originally Posted by toomer

I could argue all your points, but then this entire discussion will become redundant. There's a reason why corporations DONT use the iPhone, and I'm not going to continue listing all features that make a phone 'smart'. Obviously iphone is a smartphone to you, and if it meets your limited needs, good for you. Not for me, or for other power users.

Sorry, I'm not going to buy into the whole "iPhone is a smartphone". It's core is a phenomenal UI with an Mp3 player to back it up. Being a phone isnt one of it's strong points, regardless of the numerous links being posted here.

Have fun with your iphone.

Posted by: XanderMac

Quote:

Originally Posted by jontymisra

Come on now! I know you don't like the iPhone but at least be honest. WM for smartphone only got the ability to edit office documents last year! WM (or PPC) has been around for years and that ability just arrived on "smartphone" (m$ definition not mine), granted the ppc (pro) has been able to do this since inception but wm smartphone has not. Also wm smartphone is still lacking copy/paste after all of these years! The iPhone I predict will have these features within its 1st year of release.

You know as well as I do that a lot of windows files require a 3rd party app to work on windows mobile. PDF's for example require adobe reader, iPhone supports the natively. Office documents require conversion via activesync whereas they can be viewed on the iPhone natively, granted only viewed for now buy consider how long it took m$ to add office editing to wm smartphone and maybe you'll begin to see where the iPhone is headed and its headed there far quicker than windows mobile got there.

So yeah, there are features that WM has that the iPhone doesnt, and while I'm sure that the iPhone will eventually get those features I don't think Apple are going to scramble to copy windows mobile the way M$, nokia etc are scrambling to copy the iPhone. That's what makes the iPhone different, everybody wants to copy it.

Posted by: toomer

Quote:

Originally Posted by jontymisra

Any file capable of running on Windows is capable of running on WinMo, this includes ALL Office 2007 files as well.

Ok ... show me a WinMo phone "running" (your word) the following file -- cmd.exe.

Take your time, we'll wait right here for you ...

Can't do it? Aww, too bad. Since the iPhone has OS X as its core you can run the same versions of apps you run on a Mac on the iPhone (i.e.: OpenSSH). Pretty smart ...

Oh and don't think your back-handed insults "if it meets your limited needs", "[us] power users" don't go unnoticed. You don't know me, and you don't know a thing about me - so please don't presume to know if I am a "power user" or not (by whatever definition you have for that).

Posted by: XanderMac

[QUOTE=There's a reason why corporations DONT use the iPhone,

Have fun with your iphone.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it was predominantly windows fanboy IT weenies that don't understand how to use MacOS and had no idea how to intergrate it into their networks that fought it. That is until the CEO decided he wanted an iPhone and told said weenies to make it work or get off the renumeration continuation program. The times they are a changin' and you may want to pay attention lest get left behind. Even at&t succomed to corporate pressure and started iPhone business plans. Unless of course you have another reason for them doing that.

We will most certainly enjoy our iPhones in their somewhat limited capacity.

Posted by: ski1ski1

Quote:

Originally Posted by toomer

Since the iPhone has OS X as its core you can run the same versions of apps you run on a Mac on the iPhone (i.e.: OpenSSH). Pretty smart ...

I do not believe the iPhone can run the same version of apps that can run on the Mac. The Mac was Power PC based and is currently Intel based. The iPhone is based on the ARM processor. No current application and version for the Mac can run on the iPhone. We also do not know how feature rich the OS X is on the iPhone. It probably does not support 100%, or even most of the instruction set and features of OS X on the Mac.

Posted by: XanderMac

Quote:

Originally Posted by ski1ski1

I do not believe the iPhone can run the same version of apps that can run on the Mac. The Mac was Power PC based and is currently Intel based. The iPhone is based on another processor. No current application and verision for the Mac can run on the iPhone.

You are correct. There is a separate version of the SDK being released for mobile OSX (as apple refer to it) although the SDK will use the same development environment and tools as the desktop os (Xcode). He is referring rather to the unix core services that will run on the iPhone OS.

Posted by: Fishbulb2020

I'm amazed at the sheer volume of anti-iPhone trolling that occurs in this forum. How many iPhone users do you see stalking other manufacturer forums talking smack about their under-the-radar devices?

The reason we never do that is because we don't care what others are using. We don't have to. We're happy with our iPhones, the one that was named device of the year by numerous tech magazines and sites.
The public knows what the iPhone is. It's hot. People like it.

So on behalf of the other iPhone users, I welcome the trolls to come on in, put your feet up and get comfortable. Welcome to the most lively forum on HoFo. We couldn't do it without you.

All hail the new age where a 'smartphone' can be considered hip and can be enjoyed by the general non 'geeky pocket-protector wearing' public!

Posted by: toomer

Quote:

Originally Posted by ski1ski1

It's a subtle distinction, but you do bring up a fair point. The packages must be built or compiled for the correct processor (my Unix-speak falls a bit short here). But they are the same packages ... .

Like Apache, for iPhone: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sebastiankippe/1216017345/

That's entirely different than having to write a "mobile version" of an application. No one "wrote" an SSH daemon, specifically for the iPhone. From everything I've read, it seems as though they just took existing OpenSSH code and compiled it appropriately for the platform. That's huge, in my book ... imagine how many native Mac apps could be available for the iPhone if all developers had to do was recompile their existing Mac apps for the appropriate processor, and address the obvious input (no keyboard/mouse) output (screen size) differences?

You're right though, the big question will be to see if the SDK institutes any barriers to the full API set of OS X or not. I can imagine there will have to be some ... but hopefully not many.

Posted by: XanderMac

from what I have heard about the sdk, developers will have full access to the core OS service and the hardware, granted they are still dependent on Apple signing the app for official use but it sounds promising.

Posted by: bootycancer

From what I know, the same applies to WinMo. The only exception, is that the apps have to be coded uni-code... Which if it applied to Iphone, may result in a near complete re-write of existing apps.

BTW, by "dumbed down", I'm just meaning stripped down. Not relatively speaking. Wrong choice of words for the wrong crowd I suppose.

Posted by: toomer

Quote:

Originally Posted by bootycancer

From what I know, the same applies to WinMo. The only exception, is that the apps have to be coded uni-code... Which if it applied to Iphone, may result in a near complete re-write of existing apps.

Nope.

Unlike the iPhone's minamilist "packaging" of OS X versus what you get if you buy a new Macbook today ... Windows and Windows Mobile are very different at their core ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_CE

"Windows CE (also known officially as Windows Embedded CE since version 6.0[2][3], and sometimes abbreviated WinCE) is a variation of Microsoft's Windows operating system for minimalistic computers and embedded systems. Windows CE is a distinctly different kernel, rather than a trimmed-down version of desktop Windows." (emphasis added)

"Many platforms have been based on the core Windows CE operating system, including Microsoft's AutoPC, Pocket PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002, Windows Mobile 2003, Windows Mobile 2003 SE, Windows Mobile 5.0, Windows Mobile 6, Smartphone 2002, Smartphone 2003 and many industrial devices and embedded systems."

Posted by: jontymisra

So the thread has finally become redundant.

Posted by: nfl46

I just returned my Iphone and got the Tilt. I'mma just wait until the Iphone 2 comes out and get that. Imma miss my Iphone!!!

Posted by: ski1ski1

Quote:

Originally Posted by toomer

I wonder if it would be that easy. There were many applications that had to be rewritten when the Mac changed processors to run native Intel. For example, if Microsoft only had to recompile Office to run native Intel, I'm sure they would have done it. I think for simple basic applications, it just has to be recompiled, but it probably involves a lot more for more complicated applications. Especially since the OS X similarities on the Mac and iPhone are probably just the core components.

Posted by: XanderMac

it is just the core components. Naturally apps will have to be written specifically for the iPhone touchscreen, resolution, hardware etc. The beauty is that Xcode will allow an applications core services to be "recycled" into an iPhone app with the GUI layer on top. It won't be quick or easy I'm sure, I don't expect shipping apps until June personally. Its possible that apple gave the sdk to a few select developers early so that they would have a few "release apps" to demo at the sdk launch, but most developers I think will need a few months to get a good app out the door. No, while the core services are common its not just a matter of a recompile.

Posted by: XanderMac

Quote:

Originally Posted by jontymisra

So the thread has finally become redundant.

if your not having a rebuttal to peoples comments makes the thread redundant so be it. Or is it that the bashing has stopped and we've moved onto development that has you perplexed? I suppose it doesnt matter either way.

Posted by: mandrsn1

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Yes, it was predominantly windows fanboy IT weenies that don't understand how to use MacOS and had no idea how to intergrate it into their networks that fought it.

That isn't really accurate. Its more like Apple didn't allow remote killing of devices which is present with Blackberrys. With a Blackberry server, you can remotely access all the data on a device and kill it if it lost or stolen. This is a major requirement for corporate use. Apple didn't want this in their phone -- since the iPhone is more of a hacker target. So they did not include it.

The whole push-email problem is secondary compared to the lack of security.

Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Perplexed? Of what exactly?

Posted by: XanderMac

Perplexed that no one is snapping at you bait. Perplexed that members rebut your trolling with valid and lucid comments. Perplexed that we can move onto development without degrading the conversation into a flame fest. The only reason to consider this thread redundant, considering we have moved onto the development topic that I think is great, is because you wanted the fighting to continue and it perplexes you that we can be civil?

Posted by: Mark Larson

Perplexed = confused.

Anyway, I think my gadgets are trying to tell me something... can someone shed some light on this phenomenon?

You know, I don't understand the Apple haters. I personally think Apple products are too rich for my blood, but I appreciate the development work that Apple does and the rest of the world copies.

Look at my mp3 player. Its a blatant ripoff of the iPod, but it integrates the regular iPod's screen and the Nano's device size into one nice eye-catching design. The back is polished aluminum just like the iPods, but it has a plastic covering from the factory so it doesn't get scratched.

Then there is my Touch. Sure its Windows Mobile and I hate its guts, but I love its functionality and would miss it a lot if I went to the iPhone. But thanks to the development work of Apple, I have a lot of the finger-friendly touch functionality of the iPhone, with a smaller size/weight, cheaper, and 3G. Maybe even GPS and Rev A if the Mogul ROM gets released for the Touch.

So you don't have to hate Apple, just thank them. Fanboyism is for 14 year olds anyway.

Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Perplexed that no one is snapping at you bait. Perplexed that members rebut your trolling with valid and lucid comments. Perplexed that we can move onto development without degrading the conversation into a flame fest. The only reason to consider this thread redundant, considering we have moved onto the development topic that I think is great, is because you wanted the fighting to continue and it perplexes you that we can be civil?

I couldnt care less. However, I'm not perplexed. I'm impressed that after this long discussion, the thread is still active and has not had a downward spiral.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:

Originally Posted by ski1ski1

Yes, because of OS X, the iPhone has a lot of potential. Maybe more then any other current phone. But that is the key word....potential. Just like Linux has a lot of potential. Potential does not mean anything to the user when it comes to day to day use. It's what the device can actually do now, today, and how it does it, that's important.

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. Features will come, apps will come. But I think the iphone has just enough. For now. There is a reason the OS takes up 700MB. The others are how big?

Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Larson

Perplexed = confused.

Anyway, I think my gadgets are trying to tell me something... can someone shed some light on this phenomenon?

TouchFLO 2.0 "Manilla" is just around the corner too.
I agree that Apple needs to be credited for changing perspectives and forcing manufacturers to improve their UI itself, but thats about it.

Posted by: XanderMac

Touchflo 2 actually got leaked today. I can't wait for hofo members to try it and review it. All phones will get better a lot quicker from this point on, nokia especially seems to have their eye on the ball, partly because of the iPhone.

Posted by: t-bone-t

From what I've heard/seen, Touchflo 2 is still basically a launcher. One guy got it to run on his device and got 1fps out of it. It clearly isn't ready for prime time yet.

Posted by: RogerPodacter

not to start fights here. but my definition of a smartphone is one that can accept applications installed on the OS that didnt come with the phone out of the box. because technically the iphone is locked up and the SDK kit is not released, it is still considered a "dumb" phone. its a very nice pretty flashy "dumb" phone, but still a static, non-customizable, non-expandable, "dumb" phone. with the SDK everything could change completely.

Posted by: XanderMac

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerPodacter

not to start fights here. but my definition of a smartphone is one that can accept applications installed on the OS that didnt come with the phone out of the box. because technically the iphone is locked up and the SDK kit is not released, it is still considered a "dumb" phone. its a very nice pretty flashy "dumb" phone, but still a static, non-customizable, non-expandable, "dumb" phone. with the SDK everything could change completely.

According to wikipedia that is the correct definition of a smartphone, or it was anyway, so I'm inclined to agree with you. I still enjoy the iPhone though whatever category it falls into. Naturally the sdk will change that category.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

The iphone has the most powerful OS ever featured on a phone but it isn't a smartphone. C'mon bro. You know better than that. It accepts apps just fine. Ever hear of "installer". There is a big difference in being able to accept apps and not.

Why all the speculaton? Read up. All the facts you ever wanted to know. What is is what it does etc. Symbian, Microsoft, Blackberry are all going back to the drawing board to come up with something to match OSX on the iphone. Apple caught them with their pants down. Now they are all scrambling to catch up. The CEO of Nokia said it himself. "If there is something good in the world, we copy with pride". It has OSX running on it. How is that "dumb"? Lol.

Let's stop speculating and read up.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...kernel-and-ram/
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wirele...e?currentPage=1
http://macosrumors.com/articles/iphone-cpu-speed/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...x-architecture/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/...ile-mac-apps-2/

I give alot of credit to Nokia CEO. Listen at the end. Doesn't dodge the question. Answers straight up. The Symbian Touch device looks very, very nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvBqtx43x90

Posted by: Jayden0606

Quote:

Originally Posted by jontymisra

Btw... mass text is available.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Yes, it was predominantly windows fanboy IT weenies that don't understand how to use MacOS and had no idea how to intergrate it into their networks that fought it. That is until the CEO decided he wanted an iPhone and told said weenies to make it work or get off the renumeration continuation program. The times they are a changin' and you may want to pay attention lest get left behind. Even at&t succomed to corporate pressure and started iPhone business plans. Unless of course you have another reason for them doing that.

We will most certainly enjoy our iPhones in their somewhat limited capacity.

Yes... Apple allowed them to and that's the reason. at&t didn't (btw it's succumbed) succumb to corporate pressure. They always wanted this as they do with all their phones. All corporate plans = more ARPU.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

http://appsafari.com/maps/825/installerapp/

http://www.appsafari.com/full-list-...lerapp-sources/

Watch the video by David Pogue from the The New York Times. There are hundreds of apps available.

Posted by: Jayden0606

For the millionth time, the iPhone is not a smartphone. It's a phone with some "smartphone" capabilities.

Sugar Honey Ice Tea .... Steve never says, "smartphone" in the the same sentence as the iPhone unless comparing.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayden0606

For the millionth time, the iPhone is not a smartphone. It's a phone with some "smartphone" capabilities.

Sugar Honey Ice Tea .... Steve never says, "smartphone" in the the same sentence as the iPhone unless comparing.

Huh? What are you trying to say?

Steve is implying since it doesn't run a mobile OS that it isn't a smartphone, so he is right. It runs OSX. So technically it isn't a smartphone, more like a UMPC.

Posted by: t-bone-t

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayden0606

For the millionth time, the iPhone is not a smartphone. It's a phone with some "smartphone" capabilities.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamthedudeman

Jayden if you are confused, please read up. Just click on the links and read, this should give you your answers.

happy reading.

Posted by: XanderMac

Smartphone, dumbphone, its purely symantec. Those of us that use one know very well how smart it is even if of doesn't meet the true criteria of a smartphone out of the box.

Posted by: iamthedudeman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishbulb2020

I'm amazed at the sheer volume of anti-iPhone trolling that occurs in this forum. How many iPhone users do you see stalking other manufacturer forums talking smack about their under-the-radar devices?

The reason we never do that is because we don't care what others are using. We don't have to. We're happy with our iPhones, the one that was named device of the year by numerous tech magazines and sites.
The public knows what the iPhone is. It's hot. People like it.

So on behalf of the other iPhone users, I welcome the trolls to come on in, put your feet up and get comfortable. Welcome to the most lively forum on HoFo. We couldn't do it without you.

All hail the new age where a 'smartphone' can be considered hip and can be enjoyed by the general non 'geeky pocket-protector wearing' public!

Lol.

Posted by: thraven233

I say we sit here, on a forum, and argue about it.. oh wait

Come on..

Have any of you ever stopped, backed away from your computer, and thought "Hm.. I am arguing over a cell phone..?"

Posted by: starry1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fishbulb2020

All hail the new age where a 'smartphone' can be considered hip and can be enjoyed by the general non 'geeky pocket-protector wearing' public!

Darn, & my son thought a pocket protector was just what I needed!

Posted by: garsgadgets

I wonder why you didn't know the plus and minus of the iPhone before you bought it?

Posted by: Doctor Whom

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

According to wikipedia that is the correct definition of a smartphone, or it was anyway, so I'm inclined to agree with you.

The article states, with sources, that there is not industry-standard definition. I've taken a look at the article's edit history, and it looks as though stating definitely that a smartphone is defined as (fill in the blank) is a good way to be reverted almost immediately.

Posted by: XanderMac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Whom

From Wikipedia Smartphone definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone

"Most devices considered smartphones today use an identifiable operating system, often with the ability to add applications (e.g. for enhanced data processing, connectivity or entertainment) - in contrast to regular phones which only support sandboxed applications[citation needed]. These smartphone applications may be developed by the manufacturer of the device, by the network operator or by any other third-party software developer[citation needed]."

Go ahead, revert me. Like I said earlier, it's purely semantic anyway. My definition of a smartphone is different to other peoples.

Posted by: Jayden0606

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

Exactly... Some consider it to be a smartphone, Steve doesn't. Same way AT&T considers the blackjack to be a PDA vs. a Smartphone using SmartConnect. A lot will say that the blackjack is a smartphone because of the OS, but guess what you can go back and forth all day, but AT&T isn't changing it for anyone, neither will Apple.

Why is the iPhone considered a smartphone?

Posted by: XanderMac

either way, its still smart in my book.

Posted by: Jayden0606

To me, it's a smart phone, not a smartphone, but honestly, it really doesn't even matter. If you like it, meets your needs, buy it. If not, buy another phone or wait for one that does meet your needs to come.

Posted by: MDAUSER99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayden0606

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayden0606

If by "Steve" you meant "Steve Jobs," if he doesn't consider the iPhone a smartphone, then what was up with the giant pie chart at MacWorld 2008 that he displayed during his keynote proclaiming that the iPhone now holds 19.5% of the US Smartphone business?

Steve most certainly considers the iPhone a "smartphone" by the industry definition set by at least Gartner and several other research firms. It's a core part of his metrics for measuring market penetration of the device.

Posted by: coolcellmunda

see it is not that but the thing is that if a company is selling a phone worth $400 is should have something different then what other phone dont have

i think most of the people who bought iphone are apple fan`s so they will do anything for apple and that is all ......... it is

Even if apple sells them s*** they will buy it for crazy money

Posted by: coolcellmunda

Quote:

Originally Posted by jontymisra

i agree with you completely iphone is smartphone for people who have never ever used a smartphone in life .....

so when apple told them it is a smartphone they believed and bought this phone like anything ...........................

Posted by: MDAUSER99

The iPods have a reputation for being the highest priced MP3 players in the market, with the fewest features and with the least capacity overall.

But they still outsell the competition by a huge margin.

The iPhone is no different. It doesn't have the same features as almost any other phone/PDA/media convergence device in it's class. But it is an iPod at heart.

Apple sells products because they know how to market the equipment as part of a "lifestyle."

Why do people buy bottled water in mass quantities when it's been proven over and over again that there is little to no difference between that and tap water? It's because of branding and marketing. Heck, I saw an interesting article the other day about a company who is selling special bottles with a huge branding campaign so that people who fill them with tap water from home are making a STATEMENT that they aren't contributing to landfills with off the shelf bottled waters but are using a reusable bottle instead.

Apple is a marketing machine. They know how to make a product attractive and desireable and know how to create a huge pull for same. Coupled with the iTunes strategy for distribution and creating a "walled garden" for their userbase, this is no different than AOL's climb to the top in the early days of the internet.

The iPhone has many issues at a feature/functionality level when compared to just about any other "smartphone" or "smart phone" in the market today. Dollar-per-feature and it's really only overbloated when compared to Nokia devices. But the sucker sells very well and that's because Apple knows their stuff when it comes to making it a hot product.

Posted by: XanderMac

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikramdhani

Ignorance is bliss right? I think you'll find that most iPhone owners have owned smartphones in the past, probably a number of them. I also think you'll find the for the majority of iPhone owners it will be the last smartphone that they need to buy.

Posted by: jontymisra

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

I remember that many of Iphones first massive wave of users were ex-RAZR users.

Posted by: Mark Larson

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikramdhani

see it is not that but the thing is that if a company is selling a phone worth $400 is should have something different then what other phone dont have

i think most of the people who bought iphone are apple fan`s so they will do anything for apple and that is all ......... it is

Even if apple sells them s*** they will buy it for crazy money

Try using some logic in your arguments.

Posted by: t-bone-t

I bought an iPhone partly because the AT&T store told me the cheapest phone they had cost $150 without a contract. $400, while still expensive, isn't much more than most standard phones and cheaper than some smartphones. I don't care about features so much as ease-of-use and the iPhone is by far the easiest to use phone I've ever touched. I had a need for a phone, a desire to have as few devices as possible, and I just happened to have the money I needed. My mp3 player and PDA are collecting dust now. I couldn't be happier.

Posted by: XanderMac

maybe a poll here will prove the point. I'll bet the largest percentage came from the treo.

Posted by: coolcellmunda

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderMac

maybe a poll here will prove the point. I'll bet the largest percentage came from the treo.

really largest percentage came from the treo i will doubt that coz iphone does not even have 30% of the business features that treo have

Posted by: coolcellmunda

someone asked for the poll so here it is !

Posted by: Donnation

Why is everyone responding to this moronic thread. You are only making the OP get off on it. Just let it die and he will go away. If you like your phone you don't need to defend it to anyone. He is entitled to his opinion. For god sakes, this is a guy using boost mobile.

Posted by: XanderMac

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Originally Posted by vikramdhani

really largest percentage came from the treo i will doubt that coz iphone does not even have 30% of the business features that treo have