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Posted by: rogeryen

Just read from bbs.blueshow.net, newest rumor within the last 6 hours is that, unlock for the multimedia functions is found through the DaPeng card in China. The price for the unlock is also set, $650 and the unlocked 920sh are priced at 4K~ RMB. It has not yet been proven, could be fake, but lets hope for the best, we can probably see the validity of this rumor within a day or two...For those of you who read simplified chinese, there are a bunch of threads here http://bbs.blueshow.net/thread.php?fid=470.



Posted by: riel

^ Interesting.. yeah let's hope it's the real deal. Keep us posted if you find more news rogeryen =)



Posted by: Reevsaj

So that would be a Hardware unlock? How much would the card sell for individually?



Posted by: rogeryen

theres no proof(pictures/videos), and from what I've seen, those chinese forums get a rumor like this every few days, so don't keep your hopes too high now...but the difference is that there are people who are claiming that the hacker/designer of this unlock card said it himself on a chatting group or some sort....



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by rogeryen
Just read from bbs.blueshow.net, newest rumor within the last 6 hours is that, unlock for the multimedia functions is found through the DaPeng card in China. The price for the unlock is also set, $650 and the unlocked 920sh are priced at 4K~ RMB. It has not yet been proven, could be fake, but lets hope for the best, we can probably see the validity of this rumor within a day or two...For those of you who read simplified chinese, there are a bunch of threads here http://bbs.blueshow.net/thread.php?fid=470.

Problem- DaPeng card is a type of blank SIM. If you don't know how to clone SIMs or it's illegal in your country that's not very doable.



Posted by: Reevsaj

Wow thats disappointing. :[

Also, how loud is the speaker on the 920sh? How does it compare to a K750i, or other Sony Ericsson in both regular speaker and loud speaker?



Posted by: KBoardBox

Not as loud and clear as the W810i, that's for sure. It's plenty loud, good enough.



Posted by: EpikHigh

i heard that it crackles when it gets too loud



Posted by: crg_zinger1

wait, so how loud is music playback on the SH905i compared to the 920SH?



Posted by: rogeryen

Quote:
Originally Posted by yangj08
Problem- DaPeng card is a type of blank SIM. If you don't know how to clone SIMs or it's illegal in your country that's not very doable.


Yeah just saw the moderator from that bbs confirming the unlock. Except we can't just go buy any DaPeng card and use it, it needs to "pair" up with the "activated" 920sh. BUT anyhow we at least know that it can be done and will be improved in time.



Posted by: riel

It's a good start for a new unlock. They will hopefully be able to improve and refine it so there won't be a need to pair up with an activated 920SH, or get around that problem.



Posted by: slardar

Quote:
Originally Posted by EpikHigh
i heard that it crackles when it gets too loud


I feel the 904sh does better in sound production via speakers.

Anyway im really on the verge of going back to 904sh cos i feel so restricted by the locked up medias... and now theres the rumors of unlock.. should i or should i not sell this 920sh..?



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by slardar
I feel the 904sh does better in sound production via speakers.

Anyway im really on the verge of going back to 904sh cos i feel so restricted by the locked up medias... and now theres the rumors of unlock.. should i or should i not sell this 920sh..?


It pays off to have patience. Just look at the 904SH.



Posted by: MyLoveForTofu

Or you can keep both =D unless you already sold the 904sh >_> then yea it pays to have patience.



Posted by: b.a.

Edit: Forget everything I wrote.... It's working again! YAIY!



Posted by: bestdesignman

Quote:
Originally Posted by riel
It pays off to have patience. Just look at the 904SH.


Yeah, patience does pay off. I had my 904sh in my office drawer for almost 2 years and had to endure the taunts of my officemates....but once unlocked, all of them are envious and wished they have a phone like my Sharp 904SH. My officemate is willing to trade his just bought Nokia N95 and I said no way...ha ha. Can't wait to see the reaction on their faces when my Sharp 920sh and Docomo SH905i arrive.



Posted by: 604pride

Anyone have problem with the Contact name order?

Somehow it is not in alphabetical order... I need some help... I tried sorting it with the software program 'contact manager' but it didnt update on to my cell.

Please help~ Thank you!



Posted by: 604pride

I am not sure if anyone brought this up.

I realize there is DUAL SIM CARD flowing on some auction sites right now. I wonder if it is possible to use a SOFTBANK U-SIM and my Fido sim card with the DUAL SIM CARD. In that way I can use the multimedia function when i switch to my softbank usim and switch back to my fido card to use the call/sms function.

let me know if that works. If it does, then this fone is SICK!!!

cheers,

604pride



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by 604pride
Anyone have problem with the Contact name order?

Somehow it is not in alphabetical order... I need some help... I tried sorting it with the software program 'contact manager' but it didnt update on to my cell.

Please help~ Thank you!

You gotta set reading order.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 604pride
I am not sure if anyone brought this up.

I realize there is DUAL SIM CARD flowing on some auction sites right now. I wonder if it is possible to use a SOFTBANK U-SIM and my Fido sim card with the DUAL SIM CARD. In that way I can use the multimedia function when i switch to my softbank usim and switch back to my fido card to use the call/sms function.

let me know if that works. If it does, then this fone is SICK!!!

cheers,

604pride


Won't work unfortunately.



Posted by: KBoardBox

Quote:
Originally Posted by 604pride
Anyone have problem with the Contact name order?

Somehow it is not in alphabetical order... I need some help... I tried sorting it with the software program 'contact manager' but it didnt update on to my cell.

Please help~ Thank you!

Here's one way to do it:
http://moov4.net/node/21

Easiest and bestest way is to have your contacts in Outlook and sync it to your phone via the included software. You'll have to map the first name and last name fields to first and last name (reading order) fields via the settings in the sync tool.



Posted by: lilkid_polo

uhh..sorry to be a noob here...but does anyone know how to get rid of the update thing they ask you when you press the menu button on the 920SH....I find it very annoying...you can't update the phone...but it keeps asking you.... Thanks!


And anyone has anynews on the unlock?...I am still waiting for a Full unlock...can't wait to use the camera..lol



Posted by: Turbo.GC8

Hi,

I currently own a N95 8gig and I must say I'm quite pleased with it. There are some annoying things about, enough to want me to get rid of it if the right phone comes my way.

I use to have a 903 and recently received news about all these new Japanese phones that are getting hardware unlocked by the hypersims.

My main question is because I can't seem to find the answer, how do the 3.2 mega pixel cameras on most of these cell phones hold out?

I know the P905i is 5 megs and i saw 1 pic, it's not bad. the 912sh, 905ish all look very bad, even compared to my old 903sh the photo quality is really disappointing.

The camera phone is very important to me. Can any of these japanese phones top the Carl Zeiss lens of the N95?

I played around the the p905i docomo, had a 903sh, played around with the 920sh and I really miss the Sharp style phone. Not a fan of the panasonic.

like most people, I like the 920sh the most, but the hardware is still locked. Does anyone know if the camera on this phone is comparable to the N95 or should i wait for the 921/922. Or is there any link that has samples from the cameras of the Softbank 3g series and the Docomo 905 series? NEC has a 5mp but havn't heard much of that phone..comments?
Thanks



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbo.GC8
Hi,

I currently own a N95 8gig and I must say I'm quite pleased with it. There are some annoying things about it but overall quite satisfied.

I use to have a 903 and recently received news about all these new Japanese phones that are getting hardware unlocked by the hypersims.

My main question is because I can't seem to find the answer, how do the 3.2 mega pixel cameras on most of these cell phones hold out?

I know the P905i is 5 megs and i saw 1 pic, it's not bad. the 912sh, 905ish all look very bad, even compared to my old 903sh the photo quality is really disappointing.

The camera phone is very important to me. Can any of these japanese phones top the Carl Zeiss lens of the N95?

I played around the the p905i docomo, had a 903sh, played around with the 920sh and I really miss the Sharp style phone. Not a fan of the panasonic.

like most people, I like the 920sh the most, but the hardware is still locked. Does anyone know if the camera on this phone is comparable to the N95 or should i wait for the 921/922. Time is against me here though...

Thanks

are you kidding me dude? you seriously have no idea about sharps and how they stand in the crowd of mainstream phones do you? thought you hold yourself a black 903Sh ..
the questions that you just asked have been repeatedly said over and over again millions of times.
if you want camera comparison, i suggest you go look at mobile burn etc. or better off check out our sharp camera thread.
how does the 903SH stand in comparison to other phones? dude. go do your own research, and come back with another new account because you dont want to feel ashamed that you asked such as stupid question and now became a fan of exotics (hence NOT american nokias (**ahemm 8gig N95) or SE).
try that for a change.



Posted by: lilkid_polo

Sharp 921SH and 922SH is already out. 921SH has almost the same specs as the 920SH I think.not sure...only difference is 921SH is a slider phone...and is same with 920SH with a 3.2 mp camera. The 922SH is a keyboard type phone. It has only a 2.0mp camera though. I heard the camera on the 920SH is worse than the 903SH. I think it won't be better than N95's camera since N95 has a 5.0mp and has the Carl Zeiss lens too.

BUT the reason I don't go for the N95 is because everybody has it, and more people are going to get it. Don't get me wrong..is a very good phone but I like to be different...and japanese phones are the way to go!!..lol



Posted by: lilkid_polo

I forgot to tell you...I have a Sharp 920SH too and I will getting a N905i soon...If I were you..I would stick with japanese phoness...esp Sharp. lol



Posted by: Turbo.GC8

Thanks for the kind reply polo unlike that other guy that's way too high up on his horse there. I use to hound phones like no tomorrow but I sorta have a life. Can't really research all the markets of phones. I knew all the tips and tricks of the 903sh.

I wanted the 904sh so bad but you know, the unlock wait really made a lot of people discouraged, I turned my head away from the JDM phone scene completely.

Hence, I'm not too familiar with the phones until my buddy who has like 7 of these new ones, let me play with them and told me about the hypersims and such, and now I'm curious again!

Again thanks a lot polo.

Zinger go suck a ****. =)



Posted by: 10W40

Well..if anyone is planning on getting a jap phone and still hasn't
I would suggest that they wait a few month more, just to wait on the stability of the unlockings, it is stil not perfect at this moment.
Also, there might be more variety to choose from in a few months. If I remember correctly, the new DoCoMo 906i series will be on sale in Japan in May/June. If we are lucky enough, these new phones might be available as well. The new W62S by Au/kddi also has GSM mechanics incorporated, I have no idea of its capability, but its worth taking a look at if you want to be the unique of the unique. Along with the newly claimed unlocks of SoftBank 921sh(my personal fav next to p905itv, both fullface slider! yet both 3g only =[ ) and 922sh, theres more to choose from



Posted by: lilkid_polo

Turbo.GC8: no problem man...always here to help...anywayz..I think you should listen to 10W40 and wait a few more months. I am sure the japs are going to go crazy (we all know it...they are crazy..lol) and release some kick-butt phones during summer/fall season. They will surpass N95, and I think is going to be soon. So Keep your N95 for now. =D

10W40: Damn you..lol...I was about to get the N905i. and now you spatter me with a whole bunch of new phones coming soon. But I must thank you, because if I knew new phones are coming this soon after I buy my N905i, I would seriously regret it. lol. so now for me, is the waiting game. lol. hmmmm......the 906i series looks sick!!!..lol



Posted by: EpikHigh

i say get it now. haha
its really hard to wait for everything to be stable and working perfectly while everyone else on the forum is talking about it.
but seriously, new phones come out all the time, you can't really tell him to wait, because these phones took around 3 months until an unlocking solution came out and its only now that the solutions are becoming stabler. so by the time the 906i series come out ( i'm thinking that its more like july than may/june ) it might take till winter for it to unlock. and thats a good 6 months to wait..

the inex hypersims for docomo are pretty stable, and when they go signal OUT, they reconnect automatically, so i can't find a reason why you wouldn't get one, even the other sim hacks are pretty stable in the GTA as many other people there has reported.

don't be scared, get it soon, you won't regret it. they're one of a kind.
i have two and they constantly have attract peoples eyes when i'm walking around

ANYHOW, don't you think we should stop or move this conversation about docomo's, because afterall.. this is a softbank thread. lol



Posted by: lilkid_polo

Epikhigh: You have seriously have a good point. You just can't catch up with technology. I wish I lived in Japan, lol. Well, I am struggling. I just researched on some info on the 906i series, and it seems they have the same specs from the chinese/kanji that I can read. I just want to know how they look like because so far, all the phones in the 905i series except N905i can't compare to sharp phone's attractive appearance. lol

And you are right, this is not the place to talk about Docomo..lol...but I am a newb here, I can't seem to find the Nec Docomo thread...

hmmmmmm...and I really wonder what softbank and sharp are planning to counter back at DoCoMo..they have to....just what will it be and when is the question...mayb 8.1mp camera phone?..lol..haha



Posted by: EpikHigh

the docomo thread is the SH905i/P905i thread. people talk about all the docomo phones there.
lol and the higher pixel count doesn't necessarily mean the better quality.. i think around 5mp is good enough. lol don't need the pictures to be huge..



Posted by: xRiCex

Quote:
Originally Posted by EpikHigh
i say get it now. haha
its really hard to wait for everything to be stable and working perfectly while everyone else on the forum is talking about it.
but seriously, new phones come out all the time, you can't really tell him to wait, because these phones took around 3 months until an unlocking solution came out and its only now that the solutions are becoming stabler. so by the time the 906i series come out ( i'm thinking that its more like july than may/june ) it might take till winter for it to unlock. and thats a good 6 months to wait..

the inex hypersims for docomo are pretty stable, and when they go signal OUT, they reconnect automatically, so i can't find a reason why you wouldn't get one, even the other sim hacks are pretty stable in the GTA as many other people there has reported.

don't be scared, get it soon, you won't regret it. they're one of a kind.
i have two and they constantly have attract peoples eyes when i'm walking around

ANYHOW, don't you think we should stop or move this conversation about docomo's, because afterall.. this is a softbank thread. lol


+1.. and the 905 series are getting more expensive than b4



Posted by: riel

If you want it just get it. More phones will always be coming, and by the time you've finally decided to get a 905i, like EpikHigh said 906i would be here. Then you'll be wanting the 906i instead.

Get a 905i, and be happy with it. I still have my 920SH, and will be holding onto it until an unlock for it arrives. Best screen I have ever seen in a phone, no contest. I also have an SH905i and an N95, in case you're wondering which phones I'm comparing to.



Posted by: 10W40

well..if you got the wealth to own several $500 phone~then yeah..you would want to buy them first if you can. But if you are poor like me~! =p then waiting would be ideal



Posted by: Turbo.GC8

Haha everyone here has good points and I was thinking the same thing. Waiting is always an option but it's impossible to keep up with the technology. New phones may need new unlocks which would cause more wait, and in that wait time a new phone can come out. It's a cylce I quite familiar with, I may not be a JDM phone guru but I know in a broad sense how the cycle goes.

10w40 has a good point cause I don't have thousands to spend. I have to either sell the N95 and use that money for a new phone or just keep it.

I was actually planning on getting a Softbank so i posted here. But as my friend and you guys say, the DoComo's are much more stable as of now.

Riel, you say get the 905i? How's the camera on it? From the pics I can't tell if it has external display either. But man the 920 screen is sooo nice, but I really do need a good camera on the phone.

Thanks everyone though. I'll probably lose more sleep over this decision haha



Posted by: Reevsaj

There is also a 922sh on Ebay that the seller says is fully unlocked, and unlike the 921sh, the 922sh has GSM. Has anyone managed to get a hold of one?



Posted by: EpikHigh

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbo.GC8
I was actually planning on getting a Softbank so i posted here. But as my friend and you guys say, the DoComo's are much more stable as of now.

Riel, you say get the 905i? How's the camera on it? From the pics I can't tell if it has external display either. But man the 920 screen is sooo nice, but I really do need a good camera on the phone.

Thanks everyone though. I'll probably lose more sleep over this decision haha

its not really "more stable" but rather more usable.
because the only softbank phones from the 920 series that are usable in north america right now are 920sc/920sh. 920sc is like a copy of the g800. they basically have the same specs. and the 920sh is only capable of calling and texting at the moment
while docomo on the other hand can use its multimedia functions and everything else that doesn't require internet.

905i is the series, so we can't really tell you how the camera is.. lol but they're all over 3.2mp.

if you need a good camera, i would recommend the 5mp's all their cameras are decent for a 5mp. the SO905ics/P905i/N905i are all 5mp. the rest of the series are 3.2mp.



Posted by: Turbo.GC8

ya I was looking at N905i, my buddy has one coming in.

Im lookin everywhere to find samples of the camera pictures but I can't seem to dig any up. In the "other brands" no one has a thread on the NEC N905i. Damn!

My friend said there is a site that has all sample pics of these phones but he can't remember where it is. still diggin



Posted by: lilkid_polo

Turbo.GC8: I am bidding on a N905I right now...N905i really is the best out of the whole 905I series...it got looks and it got the insides too. lol.

Here are photos taken by N905I:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azurit...57603336554566/


CREDIT: hardwarezone



Posted by: KBoardBox

Yeah, HWZ has some I think. I've got a white one just sitting here right now, as the person I got it for hasn't replied to me yet. O.o Oh well, I'll sell it if he doesn't get back to me. The N seems a little chunky to me, and although I like it, I prefer the P to it.



Posted by: Rakukojin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbo.GC8
ya I was looking at N905i, my buddy has one coming in.

Im lookin everywhere to find samples of the camera pictures but I can't seem to dig any up. In the "other brands" no one has a thread on the NEC N905i. Damn!

My friend said there is a site that has all sample pics of these phones but he can't remember where it is. still diggin

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail...11&last=5518901

The P905i's camera seems to be better than the N905i in these test shots.



Posted by: KBoardBox

I know. I have both at the moment and the P905i pwns everything. It doesn't have zoom (let alone optical zoom), isn't particularly quick, but damn, it's nice.



Posted by: lilkid_polo

Rakukojin: The link you provided....if you actually read what the people wrote in chinese, he said N is better in the camera. P he said seems average but is faster than N taking pictures. N is kind of chunky....but my 903sh that just got sold was like that too, so I can live with it. Also, I really like how the N has a external screen as my 903sh didn't have one.



Posted by: Turbo.GC8

Ya the guys are saying that most of the P pics seem to be blurry, but regardless the colours compared to the N are cooler. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't understand why so many of them seem out of focus. Honestly it the P pics look like he had Macro mode on by accident and took the pics too far away. lol.

Thanks a lot for the link though!! The OP should have taken identical pics rather than some closer some further since the lighting would affect the result.

Part of me feels the P takes only so so photo's, where part of me wants to think the user wasn't using it right. However, he did say he used image stabilization on both phones while taking the pics...

Anyway some people posted more links to comparisons, time to check those out!



Posted by: lilkid_polo

AND don't forget...the N also has Face Recognition...which is also the reason why I am getting the N. But everyone has different opinions. So people...Choose what you like!!!!!!!!!!!!



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilkid_polo
So people...Choose what you like!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know bout everyone else, but I've been doing that the whole time.



Posted by: seibufan

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilkid_polo
AND don't forget...the N also has Face Recognition...

Nifty little feature, along with the privacy screen.



Posted by: xRiCex

Quote:
Originally Posted by KBoardBox
I know. I have both at the moment and the P905i pwns everything. It doesn't have zoom (let alone optical zoom), isn't particularly quick, but damn, it's nice.


the p has zoom jus press left or right not very good zoom lol but it still zoom



Posted by: lilkid_polo

Quote:
Originally Posted by riel
Don't know bout everyone else, but I've been doing that the whole time.


The hard thing about choosing the phone of your liking is you just can't play catch up with technology. But I want a phone that can last me at least 1-2 years technology wise. Like my old 903SH...I got it 2 years ago...and it was WAYYY ahead of time comparing to all the phones in Canada..and still now..it stands strong against new phones. The reason I don't like the 905I series in total is because 906I is coming out. Is only been half a year, and they are already pushing new phones out. Although I doubt I would find an other "903SH" that can last me a good year or 2 technology wise, I still wish Softbank or Docomo would do something amazing. I miss my 903...lol



Posted by: murdoc2k

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilkid_polo
The hard thing about choosing the phone of your liking is you just can't play catch up with technology. But I want a phone that can last me at least 1-2 years technology wise. Like my old 903SH...I got it 2 years ago...and it was WAYYY ahead of time comparing to all the phones in Canada..and still now..it stands strong against new phones. The reason I don't like the 905I series in total is because 906I is coming out. Is only been half a year, and they are already pushing new phones out. Although I doubt I would find an other "903SH" that can last me a good year or 2 technology wise, I still wish Softbank or Docomo would do something amazing. I miss my 903...lol


I wouldn't bother with catch up. If you want to catch up, the best way is:

1) Save up like 600-700ish dollars to get 905i right now
2) Couple of months later when 906i comes out sell your 905 right away (so you get most of your cash back)
3) spend an extra 100 or so to buy the 906 lol..

but that's only if you have the money. This is also the "trade-in" system that HK uses for their phone stores.



Posted by: AL9999

The 903SH only lasted you two years because Sharp never released a replacement for it in Europe because of the stupid problems it had with Vodafone. If they had released a Euro 904SH the 903 would've only been good for six months. Also, imagine how those people buying a 902SH felt, only six months later their pride and joy was outdated.



Posted by: murdoc2k

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
The 903SH only lasted you two years because Sharp never released a replacement for it in Europe because of the stupid problems it had with Vodafone. If they had released a Euro 904SH the 903 would've only been good for six months. Also, imagine how those people buying a 902SH felt, only six months later their pride and joy was outdated.


that said, one should consider buying the phone for not only the features but mainly style. Isn't that the reason why we're all here today? We want stylish phones that our own country cannot provide us with. There's no way that technology will stop and wait for us so might as well as go with the flow, but style is something that may change and never return



Posted by: AL9999

Yes that might be the reason you're here today - phones are quite similar in technology/feature specifications now that it doesn't matter anymore. But the reason people were in this forum 2-3 years ago was different - it was because Sharp's phones at the time were, in technology, way beyond anything the major European phone makers were capable of making. People were actually crying foul over the 903's 'style' because it was big and bulky compared to the more compact things Europe was producing (ignoring that their specs were quite poor in comparison). People just wanted it because it had a great camera with optical zoom (which is still rare now), a large QVGA screen (a 2.4 inch screen back then was unheard of), a swivelling flip, 3G network access and more.

Back then, people wanted feature packed phones that 'our own country cannot provide us with.'



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by murdoc2k
I wouldn't bother with catch up. If you want to catch up, the best way is:

1) Save up like 600-700ish dollars to get 905i right now
2) Couple of months later when 906i comes out sell your 905 right away (so you get most of your cash back)
3) spend an extra 100 or so to buy the 906 lol..

but that's only if you have the money. This is also the "trade-in" system that HK uses for their phone stores.


Haha that's exactly what I've been doing for years. Lots of BST. Usually I'm able to sustain profit though =)

But I think I'm gonna be done for awhile.



Posted by: lilkid_polo

I do have the money to play catch up......I have a 920SH right now but the camera won't work for is unless for me when I travel because I like to take alot of pics. I should have gotten the 905I instead of the 920SH...aiyaaaa...lol. But I am still with Sharp...since I believe in their ability to invent crazy new things (903SH, 904 with VGA screen..etc.) I shall get the N905I and wait for sharp, Or the 906I series. I need something crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Sharp...please make something new and crazy!!!...lol



Posted by: riel

What, the AQUOS screen isn't crazy enough? =)



Posted by: lilkid_polo

Well the AQUOS screen is just for the looks...is not like rogers here in Canada will actually have 1 seg for me to watch tv on. To be honest, I was expecting a little more when they announced 920SH. If 920SH got equipped with a 5.1mp camera phone with face recognition, a 3.2 sub camera, then seriously it would perfect!



Posted by: SeedDestinys

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilkid_polo
Well the AQUOS screen is just for the looks...is not like rogers here in Canada will actually have 1 seg for me to watch tv on. To be honest, I was expecting a little more when they announced 920SH. If 920SH got equipped with a 5.1mp camera phone with face recognition, a 3.2 sub camera, then seriously it would perfect!



basically thats the 923sh or something i forgot but softbank is coming out with one like that. and some ppl buy phone for looks



Posted by: gunadz

http://www.magicsim.com/tw/new_show...id=15&new_id=18

Eegads! Camera and Multimedia unlock? I've got my fingers crossed, but I'm skeptical.



Posted by: riel

Don't get your hopes up don't get your hopes up



Posted by: Torontocell

Riel or anyone else who owns a 920SH: I know that the media and camera are locked on the phone. However can you still use the Aquos screen as a picture viewer (to view your pictures you stored on the memory card)?



Posted by: lamjack

yes u can... its been answered already



Posted by: Torontocell

Quote:
Originally Posted by lamjack
yes u can... its been answered already


Thank you. So you can view your pictures under "Data folder-->pictures"? That folder does not require network provisioning?



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Torontocell
Thank you. So you can view your pictures under "Data folder-->pictures"? That folder does not require network provisioning?


Yep that's the way.



Posted by: axio

Quote:
Originally Posted by riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by 604pride
I realize there is DUAL SIM CARD flowing on some auction sites right now. I wonder if it is possible to use a SOFTBANK U-SIM and my Fido sim card with the DUAL SIM CARD. In that way I can use the multimedia function when i switch to my softbank usim and switch back to my fido card to use the call/sms function.


Won't work unfortunately.


WHY NOT??

ps.
sorry for yelling..



Posted by: gunadz

With the 2 in 1 sims, it chooses one or the other. You can't pick and choose the bits and pieces



Posted by: axio

Quote:
Originally Posted by gunadz
With the 2 in 1 sims, it chooses one or the other. You can't pick and choose the bits and pieces

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Originally Posted by 604pride
..... In that way I can use the multimedia function when i switch to my softbank usim and switch back to my fido card to use the call/sms function.




Posted by: riel

Your SoftBank USIM has to be ACTIVATED. An inactive one isn't going to do any more than any other SIM.



Posted by: axio

Quote:
Originally Posted by riel
Your SoftBank USIM has to be ACTIVATED. An inactive one isn't going to do any more than any other SIM.



What's the technical difference between "activate" and "inactive" ?



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by axio
What's the technical difference between "activate" and "inactive" ?



guys, just dont respond to this guy. he needs to do his own research.



Posted by: Inferno187

Hmm I am interested in buying a 920SH off of Ebay..
Since the first post hasn't been updated in months O_O could someone give me a summary of what works atm and what doesnt?



Posted by: riel

It's exactly the same.

For your information, you can't edit a post after a short period of time, so there's no way for me to update it.



Posted by: crg_zinger1



I will give you guys my personal opinion being an ex 920SH user and a current SH905i SHARP user.

I have decided not to try to get another 920SH mainly because of the following reason:

If you dont know, Japan refreshes their lines every season, and since winter season is over, that only means DOCOMO 906i series is Coming out real SOON!!
What does that mean? Well knowing that docomo has just jumped into the GSM bandwagon, they are obviously going to keep it like that with GSM enabled handsets (Especially if they want to expand in the mobile industry - Read on hwz about docomo wanting to introduce foma's to other country)

Thus their next series, the 906i series, is going to be a more powerul series in all aspect.

I believe the 905i series is just a prototype of what they have to come. Just like the 904SH. Think about it, the 904SH was a prototype for the 910SH that they released soon after 904SH came out the season before it.

I really think that SHARP has something up their sleeves and they are going to pull it off in this next series.

GSM compabilities? Well, most likely nothing is going to change about it. We already have sim hacks for them. For example, PSS-SIM hack designed for the vodafone 904SH happen to coincidently work for 920SH and all other softbanks... But wait, noticed how they just happen to work for DOCOMO 905i series too! Those SIM hacks that we have will more than likely work for 906i series too.

And just so anyone knows, DOCOMO phones are never locked down to media functions such as music or videos or camera (UNLIKE SOFTBANK which need a network for unlock at this point. )



That's one reason why I will rather wait on a 906i docomo than to get a 920SH (My recommendation to anyone else).

By the time the 920SH media functions get unlocked, the docomo 906i series will be available to the public - thus rendering the 920SH as a "last year's" phone.

I am deciding to save my money for a SHARP SH906i. I've read and heard from certain people that SHARP's SH906i of docomo's 906i series will be the powerhouse of all 906i series.

The SH905i already does walk all over the 920SH in many aspects so yeah.


Im saving my money for a SH906i - who knows? Maybe they might make a GSM SH906i with cycloid mechanism just like the 920SH=)

Just my 2 cents.



Posted by: AL9999

I don't quite agree with you here. How can the 904SH have been a prototype for the 910SH? The 910SH was completely different - it LOST its GSM and GPS functionality just to gain a higher megapixel camera module with more optical zoom, as well as a larger external screen. I'd hardly call a phone that has more practical functionality (ie you can do more things with it = 904SH) a prototype of a newer phone that does less.

Similarly, I'd be hard pressed to call the 905i series prototypes of the 906i series. I find it difficult to believe that you know what the selling points of the 906i phones will be, to be claiming the 905i phones are prototypes of them. Docomo's phones are always slow, progressive evolutions of the previous generations, usually with some gimmicky function thrown in (such as the SH's touch cruiser) to gain attention. Yes, Sharp probably has something up its sleeve for the next 90xi phone they're introducing, but the fact is they always have for each new series phone. Yes, there might be an SH906iTV with GSM and cycloid - if DoCoMo decides the time is right to introduce such a phone (ie it's a marketing question). If you wanted to call them prototypes, you could say each and every series were prototypes of the ones following them. It's a bit silly.

Can you please link to this post at HWZ forums regarding docomo's plans to introduce 'fomas' to other countries? I'd like to see what it says, because until now they have been starkly against introducing phones for their own network to other countries. When Keiji Tachikawa was the CEO they were all about introducing i-mode to other networks (and that was with rubbish world-market phones, not the high-end stuff Japan got), but since he left and Masao Nakamura replaced him, global expansion has more or less stopped except for the odd announcement here and there (like them helping AT&T roll out 3G network coverage in Hawaii - yay, what a big deal). I remember talking to some NEC bigwig when Telstra introduced i-mode in Australia back in 2004 - I asked him when they were going to bring some of their high-end handsets from Japan to the rest of the world, and he told me they won't ever do it as long as the markets are different - i.e. the style of handsets people want are different, the way they use phones are different, services they demand are different, etc etc. That was back in 2004 when people semi-tolerated large, advanced clamshells. Now with sliders being all the rage outside Europe and clamshells only appearing in budget/cheap form, it would be even harder for them to introduce Japan-style phones outside Japan (unless of course sliders continue to get popular there, but Japan's sliders are still huge compared to the petite stuff Europe and the rest of the world prefers).

So, as far as I can tell there's absolutely no sign of them introducing handsets made for their network outside Japan. Please prove me wrong if you can (I'd much rather they sold the phones outside Japan, believe me), but the evidence says otherwise.

Oh and yes, you'll probably be able to hack the 906i series in the same way as the 905i ones, but I think an official introduction of those kind of handsets outside Japan is a long way off, if it ever does happen at all.

But, I do agree that by the time the 906i phones are out, the 920SH will probably be somewhat outdated (although by world standards it's still very advanced, just fairly secure against grey importation from Japan with its media locks, unlike the fairly usable FOMA phones). It's even sadder that it's taking Sharp an extra year just to release the Chinese versions of it that actually strip TV functionality out. Astonishing really...



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
I don't quite agree with you here. How can the 904SH have been a prototype for the 910SH? The 910SH was completely different - it LOST its GSM and GPS functionality just to gain a higher megapixel camera module with more optical zoom, as well as a larger external screen. I'd hardly call a phone that has more practical functionality (ie you can do more things with it = 904SH) a prototype of a newer phone that does less.

Similarly, I'd be hard pressed to call the 905i series prototypes of the 906i series. I find it difficult to believe that you know what the selling points of the 906i phones will be, to be claiming the 905i phones are prototypes of them. Docomo's phones are always slow, progressive evolutions of the previous generations, usually with some gimmicky function thrown in (such as the SH's touch cruiser) to gain attention. Yes, Sharp probably has something up its sleeve for the next 90xi phone they're introducing, but the fact is they always have for each new series phone. Yes, there might be an SH906iTV with GSM and cycloid - if DoCoMo decides the time is right to introduce such a phone (ie it's a marketing question). If you wanted to call them prototypes, you could say each and every series were prototypes of the ones following them. It's a bit silly.

Can you please link to this post at HWZ forums regarding docomo's plans to introduce 'fomas' to other countries? I'd like to see what it says, because until now they have been starkly against introducing phones for their own network to other countries. When Keiji Tachikawa was the CEO they were all about introducing i-mode to other networks (and that was with rubbish world-market phones, not the high-end stuff Japan got), but since he left and Masao Nakamura replaced him, global expansion has more or less stopped except for the odd announcement here and there (like them helping AT&T roll out 3G network coverage in Hawaii - yay, what a big deal). I remember talking to some NEC bigwig when Telstra introduced i-mode in Australia back in 2004 - I asked him when they were going to bring some of their high-end handsets from Japan to the rest of the world, and he told me they won't ever do it as long as the markets are different - i.e. the style of handsets people want are different, the way they use phones are different, services they demand are different, etc etc. That was back in 2004 when people semi-tolerated large, advanced clamshells. Now with sliders being all the rage outside Europe and clamshells only appearing in budget/cheap form, it would be even harder for them to introduce Japan-style phones outside Japan (unless of course sliders continue to get popular there, but Japan's sliders are still huge compared to the petite stuff Europe and the rest of the world prefers).

So, as far as I can tell there's absolutely no sign of them introducing handsets made for their network outside Japan. Please prove me wrong if you can (I'd much rather they sold the phones outside Japan, believe me), but the evidence says otherwise.

Oh and yes, you'll probably be able to hack the 906i series in the same way as the 905i ones, but I think an official introduction of those kind of handsets outside Japan is a long way off, if it ever does happen at all.

But, I do agree that by the time the 906i phones are out, the 920SH will probably be somewhat outdated (although by world standards it's still very advanced, just fairly secure against grey importation from Japan with its media locks, unlike the fairly usable FOMA phones). It's even sadder that it's taking Sharp an extra year just to release the Chinese versions of it that actually strip TV functionality out. Astonishing really...




heres a link on hwz.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...d.php?t=1915424


Ill be waiting for the release of the SH906i.
That thing is going to be sick.

Man, I wish AU released their phones for us too. Such as the W61SH. That sharp phone doesnt have the screen resolution as high as the 906i series but it sure got the specs such as 2000:1 contrast ratio, 7.2 mega pixel, and a cycloid screen. Sick!



Posted by: murdoc2k

Honestly. The problem with more mega pixels as I've read on some tech sites even with slim compact camera is that if you want quality images, the size of the lens has to also increase as the "mega pixel" count increases. If the size of the lens is the same but they keep increasing the mega pixel count, all they're doing is just cutting up more of the lens to capture more data. It does not yield to better images! It means you will get more noise when taking pictures.

According to the article, it is suggested that the breaking point of quality for compact cameras (and I would believe this holds for cell phones) is 6 Mega Pixel. Once you pass that point, it just goes crap unless keitai makers have a way around this problem.



Posted by: AL9999

W61SH has a two megapixel camera, not 7.2. Don't know where you got that number from.

Thanks for the article link, now I see what you're referring to. However, I wouldn't get excited just yet. Docomo said exactly the same thing when it got its partner manufacturers to adopt Symbian and Linux as the base operating systems for all of its phones. At the moment, NEC and Panasonic's docomo phones run on Linux, while Fujitsu, Mitsubishi, Sharp and Sony Ericsson phones for docomo run on Symbian. Docomo said once they adopted the OSes, it will make it cheaper and easier for the manufacturers to sell phones overseas. The plans were announced in 2004, the phones themselves appeared in 2005. Three years later in 2008, NEC and Panasonic have pulled out from the world market, Mitsubishi stopped making phones altogether, while Sony Ericsson in Japan is considering the same (Yomiuri was wrong, they're only considering it; no decision has been made). Fujitsu is showing no signs of making phones for anyone other than Docomo and Sharp is still walking a tightrope keeping their world business alive.

The moral of that story is, just because docomo gives what it thinks is a boost to the manufacturers to get going, doesn't mean it will all take off and work. Just look at when Softbank bought out Vodafone Japan, early in 2006. Remember when Softbank and Vodafone Group said they're establishing a 50:50 joint venture to make sure technology from Japan continues to flow to the world phone market? (I assume they meant how phone handsets sold on Vodafone Japan's network would reach the other Vodafone networks as well, but they were vague on that detail, funnily enough.) Two years on there hasn't been a single shred of development in that area. That company seems to have vanished (whether it even got off the ground is questionable - nobody knows), Vodafone Group is now in love with cheap Chinese-made handset rubbish and Softbank continues to focus on Japan only.

My point here is, when it comes to the Japanese phone market and exporting their phones outside Japan, don't get your hopes up. Most forum veterans here (including me) started with having hopes up since the beginning of the decade, yet nothing has ever happened. The Japanese carriers will only ever start seriously expanding overseas when their corporate lives depend on it, and they're not up to that stage yet. Despite what you read in the news, they're nowhere near it.

I have to admit, the second article that poster linked (the one at http://www.digitalworldtokyo.com/in... it_have_a_map/) has got more sensible writing than the Yomiuri article. It's very true about their cost structures and what not. Docomo is one very confused company right now, to be coming up with the plans that it does. Even the way they changed their logo, goes to show they've lost the plot. A logo change won't bring them back the subscribers they've lost... but I digress.

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Why am I always the one posting about the realities of the JP phone market? Sigh...



Posted by: aw614

lol i saw a smartone vodafone huawei posted on 3siu, i guess voda and its affliates will be seeing more



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
Why am I always the one posting about the realities of the JP phone market? Sigh...


Posts you make about the Japanese phone market are always a great read for me, and I thank you for them.



Posted by: AL9999

Haha I'm glad to hear that. Was worried I was beginning to get on people's nerves always writing negative-sounding stuff.

The problem is, people read or hear one thing and get super-excited that suddenly we will be swarmed with Japanese-style handsets across the world. Sadly the reality is always far away from that



Posted by: sabeerkibria

Japanese cell phone providers are not very set on expansion outside of Japan. They can see some of the business models (helio) and see that expansion is not particularly profitable.

On a side note:
I heard that AU (KDDI) was going to enter the US market. I've even seen some of their authorized handset retailers in the US. However, they were at Japanese markets. Anyone have more info on this?



Posted by: takumi906

KDDI is here but not AU. and unless u want a sanyo katana II with japanese language support.... what im trying to say is theyre here BUT they dont sell any japanese phones. just the ones youd find on sprint.



Posted by: AL9999

And it's not even proper Japanese support - it only works between other users of the same phone. Won't work to users in Japan. Very very strange.

If you're still interested, they're at http://www.kddimobile.com.



Posted by: aznboix

as of feb 6th 2008, the media functions still unable to unlock. but how about toady? it's still locked with the new hypersims?



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by aznboix
as of feb 6th 2008, the media functions still unable to unlock. but how about toady? it's still locked with the new hypersims?


Yep - all you have to do is check the last page then work your way back. If a confirmed SIM hack appears that will fully unlock the phone, I will get it and report back here. There has been rumours, nothing more.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by riel
Yep - all you have to do is check the last page then work your way back. If a confirmed SIM hack appears that will fully unlock the phone, I will get it and report back here. There has been rumours, nothing more.

The proof is here.

(Oh, and look at the sample pictures taken with the 920SH- rather bottom-of-the-barrel quality -or lack of- there)



Posted by: aw614

ah I was about to post that lol, but how was it done? I read something in the translation about you cant remove the battery for an extended time period, etc



Posted by: aznboix

cant' wait to get it....tried to look at ebay. didn't find anything...where can i get it?



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by aw614
ah I was about to post that lol, but how was it done? I read something in the translation about you cant remove the battery for an extended time period, etc

It's a new type of sim-hack that somehow sends the "reprovision" flag to the phone (thus fooling the phone into thinking it's been reprovisioned already). It's very limited, though- once you use a SIM card with the hack you're stuck with it (Softbank's been very tricky here- I think the reprovisioning "flag" is somehow tied to the SIM's Ki(?) when you first start up the phone with it so that if you change the SIM the key won't be valid anymore, the magic goes away, and you have a plain-vanilla SIM hack; at least until you... do they have any kind of customer service to speak of?).



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by yangj08
The proof is here.

(Oh, and look at the sample pictures taken with the 920SH- rather bottom-of-the-barrel quality -or lack of- there)


Ah.. thanks for that. This new hack sounds interesting, although I don't like the fact that I'm going to be stuck with this phone. Can't bear to pay my other phones no attention.



Posted by: AL9999

Yeah that's an interesting development. Interesting to see if they can make it more flexible so that you can still remove SIM cards and not lose the reprovisioned state.

Would be even more interesting if they could find a way to use that hack to load APN settings onto the phone too in the process to make internet work.



Posted by: aw614

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
Yeah that's an interesting development. Interesting to see if they can make it more flexible so that you can still remove SIM cards and not lose the reprovisioned state.

Would be even more interesting if they could find a way to use that hack to load APN settings onto the phone too in the process to make internet work.

i am wondering about having the data settings to work too. There are some older voda japan phones like 703hsf, 804sh, 903sh, etc in locked state that still have the settings menu, so it would be interesting to see if they can get it to work for those older models.



Posted by: gunadz

After seeing the picture quality, my love for my 920sh seems to have waned just a bit. While its a beautiful phone, I just get the feeling that it might not be worth all of the trouble... But the screen is so beautiful. X_X



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by gunadz
After seeing the picture quality, my love for my 920sh seems to have waned just a bit. While its a beautiful phone, I just get the feeling that it might not be worth all of the trouble... But the screen is so beautiful. X_X

Well, it's a TV/media phone first and foremost. I think the camera may indeed be little more than an afterthought.



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by yangj08
Well, it's a TV/media phone first and foremost. I think the camera may indeed be little more than an afterthought.

Very true indeed. Camera was not the selling point in the phone at all. It was something just added for standards. And you're just gonna have to accept that SHARP design they're phones with one major aspect in mind - you should keep that in mind the next time you buy a SHARP.

Camera selling points:
- 903SH, 904SH, 910SH

Screen and television:
- 905SH, 911SH, 912SH, 920SH

Multimedia:
- 921SH, 913SH


I don't know where to put SH905i. It is good in every part except for camera.

Hope this helps.



Posted by: yangj08

For those who may not feel like fiddling with things like SIM hacks and worrying about multimedia/internet/camera not working, the WX-T92 (Taiwanese version of the 920SH) is now out. Comes in dark blue or pink.



Posted by: aznboix

Quote:
Originally Posted by yangj08
For those who may not feel like fiddling with things like SIM hacks and worrying about multimedia/internet/camera not working, the WX-T92 (Taiwanese version of the 920SH) is now out. Comes in dark blue or pink.


it's fully unlockable? or same as the 920sh? just partial unlock



Posted by: foo_mark

Cool, I see the new UI is now there instead of the old. That means we should probably expect a software unlock for our Japanese counterparts.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by aznboix
it's fully unlockable? or same as the 920sh? just partial unlock

This is fully unlockable. Chinese-language phones always are.



Posted by: totaltoanage

im definately getting the T92, now just a matter of how to get it is the question.



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by totaltoanage
im definately getting the T92, now just a matter of how to get it is the question.

is it just me or did someone just hit the original 920SH with a very FUGLY stick?

what the heck is this? it seriously almost look like 822SH a rather than a 920SH.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by crg_zinger1
is it just me or did someone just hit the original 920SH with a very FUGLY stick?

what the heck is this? it seriously almost look like 822SH a rather than a 920SH.

Well, the internals match that of the 920SH (as close as they can without OneSeg); you're getting a full WideVGA screen and 3.2MP camera. But yeah, it seems they decided to go with the 822SH look for the exterior.



Posted by: totaltoanage

i wonder how the feeling is like on it, if i could find a 920sh housing i would swap it out.

but its fully software unlocked so it cant be beat for now.



Posted by: AL9999

That's a good point, it's 920SH minus TV tuner inside, but outside it's an 822SH. That never occurred to me...

Hmmm...



Posted by: Super Chimp

Will the Taiwan version have English language support like the HK version, will their specs be identically & both versions unlocked?

Found some more specs for the Taiwan version. From here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by adix_82
Finally announced le...

Sharp WX-T92 will be able to,

Transfer File using Bluetooth
Using it as a modem
Support Mp3 as ringtone
Support SMAF / i-Melody / MIDI / AMR / MP3 / AAC / AAC+ / AAC+e
Video format MPEG4 / H.263 / H.264
Support any sim card including ours.

Pros,

Big 3.2 FWVGA screen using ASV technology (Super Clear)
Rotating screen
Support various music format
Camera 3.2MP with auto focus and LED flash
Made in Japan

Cons

Super expensive, 22388 NTW.
Support up to 2GB microSD card only
Not able to watch TV(no DVB-H turner)
Only 2 theme to choose from(not able to add Theme unless download from FET)


More info here.

It says on that link "Rechargeable through USB" I wonder if that means when connected to a PC, if it does then it has got one up on most Nokia phones!



Posted by: aw614

well the 904sh using usb mass storage still charges, so probably t92/ 920sh does too

and of course english is on phone



Posted by: Super Chimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by aw614
well the 904sh using usb mass storage still charges, so probably t92/ 920sh does too

and of course english is on phone


Thanks for confirming that.

I am still kind of surprised English is included on Japanese handsets themselves that are not intended for use outside of Japan. I mean is English a widely used language in Japan.



Posted by: gunadz

Well, you see English wording on a lot of japanese packaging, and sometimes they use english letters instead of Katakana. If they're going to support english letter input, why not go the extra three inches to add menus as well?

Don't forget the army bases in Okinawa. Surely the providers wouldn't mind tapping the 25,000 foreign barbarians living there. :P Japan has loads of American ex-pats.



Posted by: AL9999

Yeah there's a fair few westerners in Japan that would make use of the English language pack. The Samsung phones for Softbank now come with Korean language packs too, owing to the fair number of Koreans in Japan.

Anyway the WX-T92 will probably have both Chinese written languages as well as English. All previous Taiwan/HK headed Sharp phones have. It'll come with T9 as well.

And yes, the WX-T92 will charge from a USB socket, although I suspect the phone has to be turned on for this to work. The 920SH is known not to charge from USB when the battery is completely dead and the phone not turned on.



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
That's a good point, it's 920SH minus TV tuner inside, but outside it's an 822SH. That never occurred to me...

Hmmm...

Something just feels really wrong about the Taiwanese version of the 920SH.
It just doesnt feel like something real.
I seriously feels like a complete knock off of the original.
Of course its gonna be same as the jap 920SH minus the locked software, but still..
Anyone agreeing with me?
Not only that the menu and UI is all different and it doesn't look as nice as the original.




Posted by: aw614

Quote:
Originally Posted by crg_zinger1
Something just feels really wrong about the Taiwanese version of the 920SH.
It just doesnt feel like something real.
I seriously feels like a complete knock off of the original.
Of course its gonna be same as the jap 920SH minus the locked software, but still..
Anyone agreeing with me?
Not only that the menu and UI is all different and it doesn't look as nice as the original.

I dont agree



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by aw614
I dont agree

i seriously cant wait until someone can do a meet-up in their city with someone else so that they can compare taiwan's 920Sh screen to the jap 920SH.
im bound to know that there is probably a different!



Posted by: Super Chimp

I suppose we will see the HK version the SX862 announced in the next week or so. I am going to assume this will be identical in looks & features to the Taiwan version & so which version to get will be down to which version proves cheaper to buy.



Posted by: aw614

Quote:
Originally Posted by crg_zinger1
i seriously cant wait until someone can do a meet-up in their city with someone else so that they can compare taiwan's 920Sh screen to the jap 920SH.
im bound to know that there is probably a different!

you are way to critical, and knock off any little thing for it. I am just happy they are getting a model that is usable



Posted by: AL9999

Quote:
Originally Posted by crg_zinger1
Something just feels really wrong about the Taiwanese version of the 920SH.
It just doesnt feel like something real.
I seriously feels like a complete knock off of the original.
Of course its gonna be same as the jap 920SH minus the locked software, but still..
Anyone agreeing with me?
Not only that the menu and UI is all different and it doesn't look as nice as the original.


I agree with aw614 - I think you're getting a bit melodramatic. We all want Sharp to sell the same phones they sell in Japan across the world, but it isn't going to happen. I think the fact they've made a business case to sell the WX-T92 and SX862 in TW/HK is a great enough development. It's the first time they've sold a phone with a cycloid screen and a full WVGA one outside Japan. Believe me, it's the same screen as the one in the 920SH. No compromise. Also, the menu/UI is COMPLETELY identical. Just look at the icons, they're straight out of the Softbank design scrap book; also the fact there's text underneath the main menu icons; that the clock was retained in the status bar; that you get full widescreen view when viewing PC webpages; that a demo version of Taiko no Tatsujin is preinstalled AND runs in widescreen mode! (I was astonished when I saw this screenshot ) There isn't much more proof than this that the UI software is a complete carbon copy of the 920SH's.

It just so happens that the digital TV tuner was killed and the casing made out of plastic instead of metal.

...

...

Boo hoo. Most DVB-H content at the moment isn't very stellar and the casing change is hardly important. The Taiwanese and HK subscribers will get access to decent streaming TV offerings anyway, so they'll be happy. No, I can think of worse scenarios - one in particular where like the 904SH, 910SH, 912SH and other fabulous phones before it - the 920SH is only made for Japan and we miss out altogether. Thank goodness this didn't happen.

You've got to be positive in life.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
I agree with aw614 - I think you're getting a bit melodramatic. We all want Sharp to sell the same phones they sell in Japan across the world, but it isn't going to happen. I think the fact they've made a business case to sell the WX-T92 and SX862 in TW/HK is a great enough development. It's the first time they've sold a phone with a cycloid screen and a full WVGA one outside Japan. Believe me, it's the same screen as the one in the 920SH. No compromise. Also, the menu/UI is COMPLETELY identical. Just look at the icons, they're straight out of the Softbank design scrap book; also the fact there's text underneath the main menu icons; that the clock was retained in the status bar; that you get full widescreen view when viewing PC webpages; that a demo version of Taiko no Tatsujin is preinstalled AND runs in widescreen mode! (I was astonished when I saw this screenshot ) There isn't much more proof than this that the UI software is a complete carbon copy of the 920SH's.

It just so happens that the digital TV tuner was killed and the casing made out of plastic instead of metal.

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Boo hoo. Most DVB-H content at the moment isn't very stellar and the casing change is hardly important. The Taiwanese and HK subscribers will get access to decent streaming TV offerings anyway, so they'll be happy. No, I can think of worse scenarios - one in particular where like the 904SH, 910SH, 912SH and other fabulous phones before it - the 920SH is only made for Japan and we miss out altogether. Thank goodness this didn't happen.

You've got to be positive in life.

Speaking of the TV tuner, sorry to derail the thread a little, but do you think that Sharp might follow Samsung (this is what I mean)?
(I'm rather surprised at that; I thought that OneSeg was unique to Japan)



Posted by: kaneman

Nope, Brazil has adopted ISDB-T and 1seg as well. First time in history, I think, that a Japanese standard has been adopted elsewhere.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaneman
Nope, Brazil has adopted ISDB-T and 1seg as well. First time in history, I think, that a Japanese standard has been adopted elsewhere.

What I'm hoping results from that is that Brazil will get at least a couple of Japanese 1seg phones without changes like Samsung's doing with their 820SC/SGH-V820L (the link in my post).

BTW- More pictures of the T92 and some picture samples as well. The camera seems to be improved over the 920SH(general quality, not resolution/size) which is a plus.



Posted by: AL9999

Apparently another South American country is considering adopting ISDB-T as well. I think it was Peru? I can't remember...

Anyway as for your question... I'm not quite sure. I think the cost factor will be a problem for the Japanese manufacturers if they want to convert a phone to suit Brazil. Samsung already works on a fairly low cost base and I'm sure already has a presence in Brazil anyway, whereas a group like Sharp will no doubt try to partner a carrier there to get any phone sold. I don't see it happening.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
Apparently another South American country is considering adopting ISDB-T as well. I think it was Peru? I can't remember...

Anyway as for your question... I'm not quite sure. I think the cost factor will be a problem for the Japanese manufacturers if they want to convert a phone to suit Brazil. Samsung already works on a fairly low cost base and I'm sure already has a presence in Brazil anyway, whereas a group like Sharp will no doubt try to partner a carrier there to get any phone sold. I don't see it happening.

All right then. I actually thought that trying to selling Brazil or another country with ISDB-T would be a "path of least resistance" because it means they can sell their phones as-is; the One-Seg tuner will still work there. I completely forgot about the carrier end.



Posted by: aw614

but isnt the one seg sim dependent as in the case of docomos?
i do think softbanks work on one seg like the 911t unlocked does when in japan it roams on softbank



Posted by: AL9999

Quote:
Originally Posted by yangj08
All right then. I actually thought that trying to selling Brazil or another country with ISDB-T would be a "path of least resistance" because it means they can sell their phones as-is; the One-Seg tuner will still work there. I completely forgot about the carrier end.


Yeah, it's not so much a problem of needing to change the tuner to suit the country (which they don't in Brazil), but rather just that of the phone being too expensive in general. FET says it's selling the WX-T92 for $22,388 Taiwan dollars (US$735), which is right about how much I thought it would go for. If the Google translation is correct that's a fully unlocked price as well (the translation said 'standalone price' - that sounds like unlocked to me). I think a US$735 phone is quite expensive for a country like Brazil (it's expensive enough for the rest of the developed world - Europeans would be whinging about a price like that). Incidentally there were a heap of people whinging about the choice to pick ISDB-T as the country's TV standard because it would mean all the STBs and tuner technology would be expensive as only the Japanese manufacturers would be producing them.

So yeah... I don't see it happening.



Posted by: crg_zinger1

I got a few questions to people who own a 920SH

1) The SO905ics camera's cover will scratch the phone if you open it too often. With the 920SH, will the swivel mechanism scratch the brushed metal surface if we open it too often?

2) I've held a 920SH before. It feels a tad bit cheap. Its kinda light and doesnt feel as solid as a SH905i.

3) Where is the original gold/black theme located? I couldnt find it anywhere. I only found Pattern1 and Pattern 2

4) when you press down on the speaker's hinge area, does it make any noise?

5) What are your methods of taking out the battery cover?



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
Yeah, it's not so much a problem of needing to change the tuner to suit the country (which they don't in Brazil), but rather just that of the phone being too expensive in general. FET says it's selling the WX-T92 for $22,388 Taiwan dollars (US$735), which is right about how much I thought it would go for. If the Google translation is correct that's a fully unlocked price as well (the translation said 'standalone price' - that sounds like unlocked to me). I think a US$735 phone is quite expensive for a country like Brazil (it's expensive enough for the rest of the developed world - Europeans would be whinging about a price like that). Incidentally there were a heap of people whinging about the choice to pick ISDB-T as the country's TV standard because it would mean all the STBs and tuner technology would be expensive as only the Japanese manufacturers would be producing them.

So yeah... I don't see it happening.

Well, seems like Samsung's taking a huge chance on the 820SC selling in Brazil then- the SGH-V820L is going to be selling in Brazil for the equivalent of 850 Euros/US$900 unlocked (so much for low cost base). Not even VGA let alone Aquos or any special graphics processing, and they expect it to sell at that price... Looks like the whingers were right (except that Samsung's not Japanese, but still).



Posted by: AL9999

Ouch... that throws my low-cost basis argument out the window. US$900??? They're mad... nobody's going to be able to afford it unless the carriers there do some good 24 month contract deals.

Speaking of which, they probably will. Should've thought of that... heh heh.



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by crg_zinger1
I got a few questions to people who own a 920SH

1) The SO905ics camera's cover will scratch the phone if you open it too often. With the 920SH, will the swivel mechanism scratch the brushed metal surface if we open it too often?

2) I've held a 920SH before. It feels a tad bit cheap. Its kinda light and doesnt feel as solid as a SH905i.

3) Where is the original gold/black theme located? I couldnt find it anywhere. I only found Pattern1 and Pattern 2

4) when you press down on the speaker's hinge area, does it make any noise?

5) What are your methods of taking out the battery cover?


1) I've heard stories of the cover getting a swivel mark. Avoidable if you don't press hard and swivel at the same time.

2) So.. what's your question? The 920 actually feels more solid overall than my 905. The build construction is better. Hinge, swivel, etc. The phone feels better in hand as well. By the way, SH905i - 125g and 920SH - 123g. Can't really tell the difference.

3) You gotta turn off the custom skins. It's one of the defaults.

4) No

5) Just like any other battery cover out there. Press and slide.



Posted by: deathnote

hi guys, i already downlod all the huf format games in different kind of site, unfortunately when i transfer it to my microsd nothings appear..
im using 920sh black. i bot only 2 games instaled at my phone streetfither zero and 3d mobile rally 2008.. can u pls tell me where can i find those other games compatible on our 920sh??!!

thank you in advance



Posted by: 4x4xfar

Benny on HZF is testing a full media unlock for us, 920sh owner, meaning that a solution is to be out for real. 90% stable for now!!!!
I hope this thread will live up a bit more.

Cheers



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4xfar
Benny on HZF is testing a full media unlock for us, 920sh owner, meaning that a solution is to be out for real. 90% stable for now!!!!
I hope this thread will live up a bit more.

Cheers

link us please.



Posted by: deathnote

guys i can used everything on my920sh games,video,camera everything in this phone... i used soft bank sim card.. via roaming, can u pls tell me the link where games are located and ready to downloads.. tahk u again



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by deathnote
guys i can used everything on my920sh games,video,camera everything in this phone... i used soft bank sim card.. via roaming, can u pls tell me the link where games are located and ready to downloads.. tahk u again

Start with wap.getjar.com. But I don't think that you'll find anywhere (any non-Japanese site, that is) with games that take advantage of the cycloid screen or the VGA+ resolution.

(and how do you get the money to do that? Doesn't data cost a lot while roaming?)



Posted by: 4x4xfar

Here is the link as requested:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/s...=1918773&page=8



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4x4xfar

in that case, is anyone still going for the taiwain and chinese version of the 920SH? let me hear your opinions.



Posted by: Arthuro

The news on the full media unlock is nice. I was just searching for 920SHs on ebay.com again today, and found an interesting bit of information in an offer by a Taiwanese seller. A person sent a question "Q: Hello, it will not worked in Germany Vodafone or T mobility, yes MP3, video camera and another thanks"

And the seller replied: "A: Hi:this only can call and sms,others don't be use.but in May 15,2008,we well sell total unlock 920sh,850$,s&h is 45$,thanks."

$850? Wow. That's a lot. I just hope the new unlock solution will be worth the money lol. If this proves to be true, we may see a full unlock by May 15th. Good that I saved up my money.



Posted by: nanooo

Smartone-vodafone posted their specs of the SX862!

http://www.smartone-vodafone.com/js...l_v2.jsp?id=898

If you look closely at the pictures, the menu of the phone looks a bit different from the fareastone one!

The Hk version comes in silver or blue!



Posted by: crg_zinger1

QUESTION: In standby, there is a little scrolling gray boxed screen with japanese words scrolling across it. Does anyone know how I can input some of my own content so that it scrolls?
Ive read the manual and it has really nothing on it.



Posted by: mathewvan

Fully Unlocked May 15!!!? where can we get the hypersim?



Posted by: yangj08

And here's some stuff about the mainland China version, the SH9010C. Not only is it lacking 3G (China doesn't have a standard 3G network up yet) its video playback is for some reason limited to QVGA (the screen's full VGA so I don't see why they'd do that). Oh, and at 6000RMB (US$858/558Euro) it's more expensive than the HK/TW version. It's like they don't want to succeed on the mainland...



Posted by: gunadz

Quote:
Originally Posted by crg_zinger1
QUESTION: In standby, there is a little scrolling gray boxed screen with japanese words scrolling across it. Does anyone know how I can input some of my own content so that it scrolls?
Ive read the manual and it has really nothing on it.


I think thats an S!appli its for news and alerts, almost like an RSS feed... again, S!appli means we can't touch it... yet.



Posted by: bakakutani

Hey, does the 920sh have an inner camera for video calling? I thought it did but according to the Smartone-Vodafone site, the HK version doesn't have one, despite there being a cirlce to the right of the earpiece. All functions demo'ed on that site looks awesome though. Despite the $4180.00 price-tag, I may honestly consider getting one. Of course, they're only offering blue and silver models and I really prefer black. The blue model shown looks pretty dark, almost black in color though. Guess I'd better go out and have look in the shop....





Posted by: aw614

its a light sensor



Posted by: bakakutani

So even the original 920sh didn't have a 2nd camera, huh? Too bad. I kinda liked the video calling feature....



Posted by: crg_zinger1

Quote:
Originally Posted by yangj08
And here's some stuff about the mainland China version, the SH9010C. Not only is it lacking 3G (China doesn't have a standard 3G network up yet) its video playback is for some reason limited to QVGA (the screen's full VGA so I don't see why they'd do that). Oh, and at 6000RMB (US$858/558Euro) it's more expensive than the HK/TW version. It's like they don't want to succeed on the mainland...

oh man that sucks,!



Posted by: AL9999

Quote:
Originally Posted by yangj08
And here's some stuff about the mainland China version, the SH9010C. Not only is it lacking 3G (China doesn't have a standard 3G network up yet) its video playback is for some reason limited to QVGA (the screen's full VGA so I don't see why they'd do that). Oh, and at 6000RMB (US$858/558Euro) it's more expensive than the HK/TW version. It's like they don't want to succeed on the mainland...


Yang that link isn't working, but doesn't matter. Well said there. I'd love to know just who can afford US$858 for a cut down version of the 920SH in mainland China when you can pay a lot less for a locally made handset that has an analog TV tuner with a whip-out antenna, dual SIMs and other crazy things. Someone in Sharp really thinks sticking the AQUOS name on the phone will see it sell like hotcakes. That same someone will probably be shot when the phone doesn't sell well...

Although as for the video, the draft manual at the FCC says it can record at VGA resolution, so it would be a bit strange if it can record at VGA but only play back at QVGA. That article might be wrong about that.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
Yang that link isn't working, but doesn't matter. Well said there. I'd love to know just who can afford US$858 for a cut down version of the 920SH in mainland China when you can pay a lot less for a locally made handset that has an analog TV tuner with a whip-out antenna, dual SIMs and other crazy things. Someone in Sharp really thinks sticking the AQUOS name on the phone will see it sell like hotcakes. That same someone will probably be shot when the phone doesn't sell well...

Although as for the video, the draft manual at the FCC says it can record at VGA resolution, so it would be a bit strange if it can record at VGA but only play back at QVGA. That article might be wrong about that.

Yeah, link's dead, and I can't find the article on their site anymore (or rather, search turns up the article but the link's dead there too). I'm really hoping that's because the article was factually wrong somewhere because logically speaking, if they can give HK/TW a near-intact phone at a reasonable (more reasonable than this at least) price point, why not the mainland? Especially because the market is quite a bit more competitive on the mainland with all the locally made stuff on the market.

(off-topic- China Unicom was supposed to have a WCDMA network up and going last month, but apparently it's not going to be anytime soon. I wish China was a bit less dead-set on TD-SCDMA.)



Posted by: AL9999

Oh well. According to the FCC docs as well it looks like Sharp is going it alone in mainland China - the phone doesn't have any carrier branding on the casing or in the software. Maybe that's why it's more expensive, no carrier to shoulder part of the costs...

Oh also, Sharp's uploaded the product pages for the SX862 and WX-T92 at their worldwide phone website:

http://www.sharp-phone.com/country/...&product=862-92
http://www.sharp-phone.com/country/...&product=862-92



Posted by: bbsky

oh god I want this phone so bad, but I HAVE TO BUST OUT 775 AUD DOLLARS FOR IT!???????? argh......

unsure if i'll get it or not when i'm in hk in july



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbsky
oh god I want this phone so bad, but I HAVE TO BUST OUT 775 AUD DOLLARS FOR IT!???????? argh......

unsure if i'll get it or not when i'm in hk in july

Well, cheaper than getting it back in Australia (from some Chinese webshop based in Sydney).



Posted by: lilkid_polo

hmmmm....sooooooo I have been waiting for a month now...is there any new unlocks for the japanese version of 920SH?.....I am hoping there is one somewhere that will unlock all the functions of the phone....I really miss of 903SH because the damn 920 won't let me do anything...lol



Posted by: bakakutani

Quote:
Originally Posted by AL9999
Oh also, Sharp's uploaded the product pages for the SX862 and WX-T92 at their worldwide phone website:

http://www.sharp-phone.com/country/...&product=862-92
http://www.sharp-phone.com/country/...&product=862-92


Thanks for the links, AL9999! So I see that the video call function is still in the phone despite the absence of an inner camera. You can upload videos, music, even pdf and document files like msword or excel! Man, this phone is looking sexier by the minute!!

Heh, went to the Smartone-Vodafone store near my workplace to check out the display and working samples. The themes you can change or interact with are really nice. So many settings to fool around with! Damn, I went over my lunch-break by nearly 20 minutes playing with the damn thing!!!


Nice.



Posted by: yangj08

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilkid_polo
hmmmm....sooooooo I have been waiting for a month now...is there any new unlocks for the japanese version of 920SH?.....I am hoping there is one somewhere that will unlock all the functions of the phone....I really miss of 903SH because the damn 920 won't let me do anything...lol

I thought the media-unlock SIM-hack was already on sale. That might be just the China area, though.



Posted by: aw614

http://hk.f2.page.auctions.yahoo.co...uction/b7926422

is this it?



Posted by: ik999

so what's the current status of the 920SH unlock?

where to obtain / expected price / future predictions?



Posted by: bakakutani

Quote:
Originally Posted by ik999
so what's the current status of the 920SH unlock?

where to obtain / expected price / future predictions?



Well, it's available from the yahoo webpage that aw614 linked to above. I think it's going for HK$650 and the seller only has one on hand to sell. Who knows when it'll be available in places like ebay or whatever.



Posted by: Super Chimp

Just waiting for the SX862 to appear on places like Plemix & e bay.



Posted by: Arthuro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Chimp
Just waiting for the SX862 to appear on places like Plemix & e bay.


Yep, same here. I messaged another shop that is located in HK if they'll pick the SX862 up. By the way, is the SX862 available already, or did the phone operator just add it to their list of future phones?



Posted by: bakakutani

It's been available in all Smartone-Vodafone outlets for the past few days now.



Posted by: Super Chimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthuro
Yep, same here. I messaged another shop that is located in HK if they'll pick the SX862 up. By the way, is the SX862 available already, or did the phone operator just add it to their list of future phones?


I have also being looking around for some reviews of this device.



Posted by: crg_zinger1