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Get the ROGERS or FIDO $7 Unlimited Surfing Plan working on your iPhone!
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Posted by: shawnie53

So, its impossible to access wap.fido.ca on an iPhone and benefit from this unlimited package is it? Fido and Rogers deemed it impossible to access wap.fido.ca and goam.com from an iPhone because there is no room to enter a proxy IP. It is possible with a bit of clever modding. WARNING: This will allow you to access wap.fido.ca and goam.com from your iPhone. This is not to say that you will not be charged if (and we don't think there is) there is IMEI cross referencing going on.

Enjoy.
Shawn K. -St Laurent

FIDO:
Make a file called proxy.pac with the following text and save it to /private/var/root on your iPhone (SSH will help here):

function FindProxyForURL(url, host)
{
if (isInNet(myIpAddress(), "10.0.0.0", "255.0.0.0"))
return "PROXY 205.151.11.11:8080";
else
return "DIRECT";
}

Next, open up /private/var/root/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist
and edit where you see ip1 to read:

<dict>
<key>Interface</key>
<dict>
<key>DeviceName</key>
<string>ip1</string>
<key>Hardware</key>
<string>com.apple.CommCenter</string>
<key>Type</key>
<string>com.apple.CommCenter</string>
</dict>
<key>Proxies</key>
<dict>
<key>ProxyAutoConfigEnable</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>ProxyAutoConfigURLString</key>
<string>file:///private/var/root/proxy.pac</string>
</dict><key>com.apple.CommCenter</key>
<dict>
<key>AllowNetworkAccess</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>Available</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>Setup</key>
<dict>
<key>apn</key>
<string>wap.fido.ca</string>
<key>password</key>
<string>fido</string>
<key>username</key>
<string>fido</string>
</dict>
<key>Version</key>
<integer>1</integer>
</dict>
</dict>

Save and reboot the phone.

ROGERS:
Make a file called proxy.pac with the following text and save it to /private/var/root on your iPhone (SSH will help here):

function FindProxyForURL(url, host)
{
if (isInNet(myIpAddress(), "10.0.0.0", "255.0.0.0"))
return "PROXY 172.25.0.107:80";
else
return "DIRECT";
}

Next, open up /private/var/root/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist
and edit where you see ip1 to read:

<dict>
<key>Interface</key>
<dict>
<key>DeviceName</key>
<string>ip1</string>
<key>Hardware</key>
<string>com.apple.CommCenter</string>
<key>Type</key>
<string>com.apple.CommCenter</string>
</dict>
<key>Proxies</key>
<dict>
<key>ProxyAutoConfigEnable</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>ProxyAutoConfigURLString</key>
<string>file:///private/var/root/proxy.pac</string>
</dict><key>com.apple.CommCenter</key>
<dict>
<key>AllowNetworkAccess</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>Available</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>Setup</key>
<dict>
<key>apn</key>
<string>goam.com</string>
<key>password</key>
<string>wap</string>
<key>username</key>
<string>wapuser1</string>
</dict>
<key>Version</key>
<integer>1</integer>
</dict>
</dict>

Save and reboot the phone.

Posted by: Gdog123

Is this legal, and will it land me in jail?

Posted by: shawnie53

Of course this is legal. You are simply adding a field in your phone to access the proxy's IP...

Posted by: Gdog123

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnie53

Of course this is legal. You are simply adding a field in your phone to access the proxy's IP...

Cool...now somebody hurry up and test this out, and tell us if you get charged!!!

Posted by: 5abi

can something like this be done with the HTC Touch also??

Posted by: D Mac

Quote:

Originally Posted by SalesCentral

Customers may notice that certain usage, which is not included under the $7 Unlimited On-Device Mobile Internet Browsing Plan, may not be charged in February. Please assure customers that all usage that is not included under the plan or used on devices which are not eligible will be charged starting in March with enhanced system functionality.

..........

Posted by: Treatz

information sharing is the whole point of hofo
but i have to say, the OP's taking huge liberties with this post.

Not only does it completely miss the whole IMEI enforcing policy of the $7.00 plan it will give first time readers, or those who haven't paid attention to the monstrous 40000 post data threads, incorrect and false product positioning.

Every single iteration of the $7.00 UL data package has stated, Rogers / Fido devices only. Trust me, the iPhone isn't one of these phones.

Users be warned, in case i wasn't clear enough

Posted by: free_gas

I can't wait for the $1,000,000 data bill to be posted!

Posted by: marktang

yup if the IMEI is not in the database then you will get charged per usage

Posted by: DarknessTM

im not touching this with a 10 foot pole..

Posted by: bardiel

And if things weren't confusing enough
Rogers goes and posts instructions on their website on how to setup your Non-Rogers phone to use with the $7 on-device mobile browser.

Posted by: mobile_pheen

Quote:

Originally Posted by bardiel

And if things weren't confusing enough
Rogers goes and posts instructions on their website on how to setup your Non-Rogers phone to use with the $7 on-device mobile browser.

care to share the link?

Posted by: makubex.

does that mean you have to use an approved phone purchased from rogers to use the $7 addon?

Posted by: bardiel

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobile_pheen

care to share the link?

http://shoprogersfaq.custhelp.com/c...hZ2U9MQ**&p_li=

Posted by: dmblue

Quote:

Originally Posted by bardiel

http://shoprogersfaq.custhelp.com/c...hZ2U9MQ**&p_li=

just called them..

they said that pretty much anything that gets routed through wap
will be unlimited..

if it starts going by another protocol you get charged pay as you go

Posted by: 4krzn

Here is the link for Fido users....

I will be calling them to find out if we can do this.
I did read this.......

------ Copy- Paste---------------
The Unlimited surfing on your Fido option includes unlimited mobile surfing on your handset and is only available on selected handsets only (non-Fido certified handsets, Windows Mobile devices and PC cards are not eligible). Data usage incurred on ineligible handsets and devices, incurred while tethering (using a handset or device as a wireless modem or laptop) or incurred using non-Fido (third party) applications downloaded to your handset will be subject to a pay-per-use charge of 5¢ per KB. Option applies within Canada only. While roaming outside Canada, data transmission charge of 5¢ per KB apply, except in the U.S. where data transmission charges of 1¢ per KB apply.
------------------------------------------

I do have a Motorola v3 registed with them. mabe they will allow it for the V3 but if I set it up on the iPhone, I not sure if they will honor the 7/month.

We will have to see.

Posted by: Calculon

Seems like a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

:-(

Posted by: bardiel

I just think this is going to be a mess for Rogers.

So if everything routed via WAP is unlimited, does that mean that the sites you visit have to be wap.xxxx and that html sites will PPU.

Posted by: LastZion

How we going on this? I am about to get my iPhone and have to decide between Rogers and Fido. Has anyone tried either of this "unlimited wap" options?

Posted by: reiyne

i tried doing this, but I could never make it connect.... i did exactly as stated to do, but it didn't work for me

Posted by: LastZion

On Fido or Rogers?

Posted by: reiyne

just rogers

Posted by: 4krzn

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4krzn

Here is the link for Fido users....

I will be calling them to find out if we can do this.
I did read this.......

------ Copy- Paste---------------
The Unlimited surfing on your Fido option includes unlimited mobile surfing on your handset and is only available on selected handsets only (non-Fido certified handsets, Windows Mobile devices and PC cards are not eligible). Data usage incurred on ineligible handsets and devices, incurred while tethering (using a handset or device as a wireless modem or laptop) or incurred using non-Fido (third party) applications downloaded to your handset will be subject to a pay-per-use charge of 5¢ per KB. Option applies within Canada only. While roaming outside Canada, data transmission charge of 5¢ per KB apply, except in the U.S. where data transmission charges of 1¢ per KB apply.
------------------------------------------

I do have a Motorola v3 registed with them. mabe they will allow it for the V3 but if I set it up on the iPhone, I not sure if they will honor the 7/month.

We will have to see.

I just got my bill after trying out surfing just on about 4 websites thru edge on the iphone.
total kb used 4,423kb
ok here is the kicker..... you will have to sit on the floor for the next one..... any higher you will get hurt when you fall.

They charged on my bill $221.15.... yes thats right. surfing 4 web pages cost me $ 221.15.

So I called up customer service... asked to talk to a manager and since I have been a Fido client since mid 90's he said he would only charge me 50% of the $60.00 internet plan..... so he credited me the balance.
It pays to be a valued client.
but it sucks to get f*cked without getting kissed first.

so all in all it cast me $30.00 to try out 4 websites (4,423 kb)

Posted by: exitN80

That's weak

You should give this a try. If you have another fido phone you can just clone the IMEI # to the iphone and it should pass as the other phone.

http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=657

Posted by: cruisn76

I was going to say the same. Clone the IMEI from a Rogers phone into the iPhone and that might solve that.

Again, any testers? I would try if I had money up the wazoo

Posted by: deadtorights

Only work with a BL 4.6

Posted by: mark_in_2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadtorights

Only work with a BL 4.6

Actually, it works with both bootloaders now. That iClarified tutorial is using an older version of Ziphone. Newer versions (2.3 and 2.4) allow you to change the IMEI on any current iPhone.

You also obviously don't need to repeat any of the Jailbreak / Unlocking if your phone is already unlocked.

I tested it this weekend. I just changed the last digit of my official IMEI and it worked fine. Changed it back right after, and don't have any problems.

The cmd I used was "ziphone -i 123456789012345".

Posted by: deadtorights

Waiting for some one to test it to see if the imei work for fido phone and u won't get charge with the 7$ unlimited. If it work I'll buy the cheapest phone from fido and use that imei.

Posted by: mark_in_2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadtorights

Waiting for some one to test it to see if the imei work for fido phone and u won't get charge with the 7$ unlimited. If it work I'll buy the cheapest phone from fido and use that imei.

I recently signed up with Rogers $10 Vision pack that gives me 3 months unlimited browsing. I signed up for this in January, before the $7 plan and have been using it on my iPhone since then without incurring any data charges.

This 3 month unlimited promo ends sometime in March, where I'll probably add the $7 unlimited option. I have an official Rogers LG Shine that was sent to me when I got the Vision plan, so I may test that IMEI with my iPhone and see if I get charged for data.

Posted by: Astroboy-ATM

iPhone does NOT use WAP, changing the IMEI will do nothing for you.

Posted by: mark_in_2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astroboy-ATM

iPhone does NOT use WAP, changing the IMEI will do nothing for you.

I guess you didn't read the first post.

Posted by: DarknessTM

now this is getting pretty interesting.. so changing the imei number on a bootloader 3.9 should be the same as a 4.6...i have an old e1 rokr..2 of em actually..wonder if that will get the unlimited data.

is the first post..used for rogers as well?

OOPS..didnt see the rogers proxy lol!

Posted by: exitN80

I just changed imei oh my iphone to match my old Fido phone. I'll test out the UL browsing now and report back if I get any charges

Posted by: leegoon

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitN80

I just changed imei oh my iphone to match my old Fido phone. I'll test out the UL browsing now and report back if I get any charges

correct me if I'm wrong, you can't change the imei, you can make it think you have a new IMEI but carrier will still see your imei on the back of your iphone.

Posted by: exitN80

I read that as well after I made the change....hmmm

We'll see what they tell us here
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...45#post10694445

Posted by: DarknessTM

yeah..i did a test to see if it actually changes it..i dont think so ..cuz when i did a restore..my imei number went back to the original.

Posted by: mark_in_2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by leegoon

correct me if I'm wrong, you can't change the imei, you can make it think you have a new IMEI but carrier will still see your imei on the back of your iphone.

True, the Ziphone method is a software based method, not hardware based. How does Rogers / Fido "see" the IMEI number? We don't really know until 1) they actually start using IMEI scanning, which apparently they're not currently doing and 2) the bills start rolling in for people using this method.

exitN80, I guess you're our guinea pig for now! Hope it works. You can call Fido after just a couple of days and ask them how much data you've used.

Posted by: exitN80

I used about 58KB for a test and will call Fido tomorrow to check. I emailed them already about using the I phone and my other phones just to see if I could get something in writing. No reply yet

Posted by: CloneBoy

any new news?

Posted by: leegoon

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitN80

I used about 58KB for a test and will call Fido tomorrow to check. I emailed them already about using the I phone and my other phones just to see if I could get something in writing. No reply yet

They won't be able to tell you which imei your phone was on over the phone.
It won't be until March they apply these imei filtering thus, you can use this plan for your phone until filtering comes effective.

testing or no testing you won't get charged for any internet usage with the MI package this month.

We have to wait till the end of march.

Posted by: shawnie53

Fido can tell which IMEI you are using at a given time. There are certain tutorials found online, and Equipment History in V21 shows that. I would suggest someone trying to change their IMEI to an older Fido phone, because the system attaches the IMEI to a phone model, (ex 1231231321123 | LG TU500 ) wait a day or two, and then call CSR and ask them which phone is currently being used on their account.

Posted by: leegoon

I doubt that change imei will work but I'll be really interesting if Rogers/fido sees the modified imei instead of the original imei.

Posted by: Tsuius

I just think this is all silly.

First Apple and Rogers / Fido require Canadians to unlock iPhones than they make you fiddle with your IMEI numbers because of so called "unlimited" data plans. When is all of this going to stop?

Why can't we have normal wireless providers that can play nice with Apple?

Posted by: EricMammoth

It seems that everyone but me on Bell is having all the fun. Unlimited data on Telus, cool phones on Rogers, hacks and tricks for both, and nothing for Bell.

Posted by: leegoon

bell has unlimity with htc touchy,
touchy is a nice phone with full html.

Posted by: gdnimrod

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricMammoth

It seems that everyone but me on Bell is having all the fun. Unlimited data on Telus, cool phones on Rogers, hacks and tricks for both, and nothing for Bell.

Bell = CDMA network = teh lose (well, Telus too)

Posted by: edge777

Quote:

Originally Posted by gdnimrod

Bell = CDMA network = teh lose (well, Telus too)

Yes and no. iPhones are cool (and I'm getting one), but my $15 Telus unlimited data plan is soooo sweet (that makes a phone awesome!). With the iPhone, it would be perfect. Yet here we are, Rogers being idiots, trying to fake a good deal by offering unlimited WAP browsing (which is a complete waste of time), and thus this thread. I really hope we get this working, because Rogers deserves it, and if they weren't so stingy on the data, they'd already have the iPhone here in Canada.

Posted by: Gdog123

So what's the conclusion with this thread? has anybody gotten this to work?

I hear about people taking "chances" with the $7 plan on their iPhones...only time will tell how much Rogers will charge you!!!

Posted by: jontymisra

^^ This plan should not work. I'd recommend NOT trying it out.

Posted by: leegoon

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnie53

Fido can tell which IMEI you are using at a given time. There are certain tutorials found online, and Equipment History in V21 shows that. I would suggest someone trying to change their IMEI to an older Fido phone, because the system attaches the IMEI to a phone model, (ex 1231231321123 | LG TU500 ) wait a day or two, and then call CSR and ask them which phone is currently being used on their account.

Called Rogers Data tech, he couldn't find out the imei of my phone when I accessed the internet 3days ago.

Posted by: FALCO

Here's a crazy idea.

Every time I go back using a Rogers phone, the system always picks it up and I can see the model on my online account profile. If I stop using it then nothing shows. Therefore, if you clone the Iphone with a Rogers valid IEMI number, in theory, it should show the phone picture on your online profile..

That's a better indication that the system is seeing whatever IEMI you are cloning or not.

Posted by: leegoon

Quote:

Originally Posted by FALCO

Here's a crazy idea.

Every time I go back using a Rogers phone, the system always picks it up and I can see the model on my online account profile. If I stop using it then nothing shows. Therefore, if you clone the Iphone with a Rogers valid IEMI number, in theory, it should show the phone picture on your online profile..

That's a better indication that the system is seeing whatever IEMI you are cloning or not.

where in your account profile do you see?

I logged into my rogers.com and clicked manage my account
->online account profile-> i only see the password and email change screen
I just can't find a link where it tells you that the phone that i'm using.

Posted by: nasa25

it would be right above the links that say "upgrade my phone", "buy accessories", etc. The heading will just say "My Phone" instead of "My Motorola Startac" or whatever....

Posted by: fidoguru101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treatz

information sharing is the whole point of hofo
but i have to say, the OP's taking huge liberties with this post.

Not only does it completely miss the whole IMEI enforcing policy of the $7.00 plan it will give first time readers, or those who haven't paid attention to the monstrous 40000 post data threads, incorrect and false product positioning.

Every single iteration of the $7.00 UL data package has stated, Rogers / Fido devices only. Trust me, the iPhone isn't one of these phones.

Users be warned, in case i wasn't clear enough

If its enforced by IMEI policy, then wouldn't changing the IMEI work to a Fido/ Rogers phone you own?

In the Fido Thread it was found to be legal in Canada since once poster stated there were no laws in Canada against it...

Just a thought.

Posted by: leegoon

Here's a little update.

Ziphone 2.5b iphone BL3.9,
Broken Rogers' phone's imei copied via ziphone to iphone.
Rogers' system sees it as a Rogers device.

"IMEI copy does work"

'nough said.

Posted by: RASHID007

Quote:

Originally Posted by leegoon

Here's a little update.

Ziphone 2.5b iphone BL3.9,
Broken Rogers' phone's imei copied via ziphone to iphone.
Rogers' system sees it as a Rogers device.

"IMEI copy does work"

'nough said.

Did you try the instructions at the beginning of this thread and use the $7 unlimited Wap to surf?

Posted by: leegoon

no i haven't bcs I still have the old 10mb plan from Rogers,
I can't have both 10mb plan and unlimited browsing plan at the same time.
In order to activate the unlimited browsing i must give up the 10mb.
As 10mb plan is no longer available, I can't afford to lose it.

Posted by: netcbc

So I guess so far no one has been sucessful with this?

Posted by: exitN80

I've been using it for the last month and have used about 14MB. I'll find out in 8 days if they ding me for pay per use and my IMEI is cloned to my Fido brand phone

Posted by: netcbc

WOW thats a huge risk, I talked to the rogers rep and they said only wap and sites surfed through a rogers mobile browser is subject to unlimited, however hopefully the IMEI cloning works.

But 14mb x 0.05/kb = $700.00

Please let us know of the update though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitN80

I've been using it for the last month and have used about 14MB. I'll find out in 8 days if they ding me for pay per use and my IMEI is cloned to my Fido brand phone

Posted by: Gdog123

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitN80

I've been using it for the last month and have used about 14MB. I'll find out in 8 days if they ding me for pay per use and my IMEI is cloned to my Fido brand phone

Nice...that is crazy if it works. Please keep us updated!!!

Posted by: forenplayer

Quote:

Originally Posted by nasa25

it would be right above the links that say "upgrade my phone", "buy accessories", etc. The heading will just say "My Phone" instead of "My Motorola Startac" or whatever....

I cant find "my phone" anywhere in my account

Posted by: pierrohhh

im not to sure about this but isnt cloning imei super illegal and the fine is higher then just a plain data bill???? i dont know how they would find out but wouldnt it show if ur averaging at 500mb a month and the regular wap user is using under 10?

Posted by: zoltrix12345678

Tag this topic

Posted by: Neonblue81

I just sold my Tytn II and am waiting on a 16GB iPhone... I had an interesting thought, which has its roots in a recent conversation with a customer retention representative I had about two weeks ago.

I've been a Rogers customer for quite a few years now, and I don't particularly care for the selection of phones they market, so I typically buy unlocked units... I've not had any issues, but recently I thought about adding my girlfriend to my plan so we could share, so I could use my upgrade and get one of those K850i's for the lass and just use my iPhone for myself.

...Towards the middle of my conversation with this rep (whom was exceptionally kick ***) I eased into quesitoning about the iPhone, and asked where Rogers was in terms of deploying the unit. It appears that the phones have already been branded and are sitting in a warehouse somewhere, and as soon as the issue between Comwave over the iPhone branding / patent (in Canada) has been resolved they'll be shipping them out. I expressed interest in obtaining one, and she put a note on my account so I could call back in as soon as their released...

Now, with that said... I don't know what setup they're going to have in terms of data usage and web surfing with the iPhone, but wouldn't it be possible to make an image of an Rogers iPhone and just apply it to a Non-Rogers iPhone?

Is the IMEI number embeded in the hardware of the device? I know on Dell PCs their service tag is available in the BIOS, but I know of no way to alter it. Would it not be possible at the lowest level, to alter the IMEI to reflect an existing IMEI on a similar device if it fact it was only in the BIOS, using a reflash, etc? I know this could pose issues for duplicate devices, but can the network provider really discern between them with this filtering I've been hearing about?

Posted by: Eldorado

absolutely the network can identify it.
it, combined with a number on your SIM card, uniquely identifies your phone on the cell network.
in GSM, the IMEI isn't really attached to the user, but it is attached to the phone.. the phone will broadcast it to the tower, which will then know how to search for you and find you to route calls, etc..

so they'll be able to tell what imei you have, for sure.. there's gotta be a log somewhere of that information.

Posted by: mark_in_2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neonblue81

It appears that the phones have already been branded and are sitting in a warehouse somewhere

I really hope that we don't see the Rogers logo plastered onto an iPhone. AT&T, O2 in the UK, neither have the network logo or name on the phone. I can't see Rogers getting away with it. Although, maybe that's why Rogers have taken so long to get it. I bet they've been fighting with Apple to get the logo on the phone, and a special Rogers firmware that starts with a spinning Rogers logo and that annoying jingle they have

On the issue with the IMEI, I think we still have to wait and see if the Ziphone IMEI change is really working when the March bills roll in. The ziphone method only does a "soft" change. The phones hardwired IMEI remains the same. Is this illegal? Who knows. Does Canada even have an IMEI law?

Posted by: shawnie53

there is. If I recall correctly, IMEI ID History was on the billing tab of v21 and is updated every couple of days. CSR reps still use v21.

Posted by: 4krzn

I got off the phone today with Fido and the rep said they will give you the $7.00/month and you can use the iPhone but will not support it if you have any technical issues. They will give tech support only to people with Fido phones.

Posted by: fidoguru101

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4krzn

I got off the phone today with Fido and the rep said they will give you the $7.00/month and you can use the iPhone but will not support it if you have any technical issues. They will give tech support only to people with Fido phones.

You get them to note your account fully? and did you get a employee # & name?

Posted by: andrewcjduong

on the ziphone unlock software, it saids you can fake an imei number. maybe you can change it to a fido phone imei number. is that even possible?

Posted by: mark_in_2k

Yes, it's possible.

Posted by: nodial9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treatz

information sharing is the whole point of hofo
but i have to say, the OP's taking huge liberties with this post.

Every single iteration of the $7.00 UL data package has stated, Rogers / Fido devices only. Trust me, the iPhone isn't one of these phones.

Users be warned, in case i wasn't clear enough

Sounds like

a) discrimination against a class of users, and

b) undue preference (to phones sold by themselves, Roger media content etc.)

to me.

Posted by: RASHID007

Show of hands... How many people are using this workaround right now?

Looking forward to mid April when the March bills come in. Please keep us posted. Thanks.

Posted by: hscac

I am not using iPhone, but currently using LG Viewty.

I am trying out the unlimited surfing option as well.
On my phone, i configured internet.fido.ca and was able to access the internet.

If i use wap.fido.ca i will have to use proxy , and after i used proxy i can also access to the internet.

Which one should I use? wap? or internet?

Posted by: minel

i've cloned my IMEI from my old nokia 6620 on thursday or friday and now when I log in it says: "my nokia 6620" so I guess Ziphone changes the IMEI rogers receives

i have the unlimited plan but i'm too scared to try it.. lol.. hope this helped

Posted by: Nutbar

Quote:

Originally Posted by minel

i've cloned my IMEI from my old nokia 6620 on thursday or friday and now when I log in it says: "my nokia 6620" so I guess Ziphone changes the IMEI rogers receives

i have the unlimited plan but i'm too scared to try it.. lol.. hope this helped

At least the 6620 supports Edge. I have a Nokia 5100 in my drawer, but its GPRS only. I think Rogers would be too smart to get that one past them.

There are a couple of guys on the iPhoneInCanada forums who say they are using the $7 plan on the iPhone. But it sounds like its working for them with the Internet.com APN, and no proxy or IMEI hacking. Personally I'd be too nervous about getting a $1000 bill.

If its still working after my unlimitted data runs out at the end of May, I'll pay the $100 cancellation fee and switch to the $7 plan.

Posted by: stino4life

any updates to this?

i currently dont have anything setup in my edge settings, i currently just find hotspots whenever im at a coffee shop or something.

but would love to have full data anywhere i go.

Posted by: Nokia8390fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by stino4life

any updates to this?

i currently dont have anything setup in my edge settings, i currently just find hotspots whenever im at a coffee shop or something.

but would love to have full data anywhere i go.

yea any updates?????

Posted by: minel

i use the $7 unlimited wap plan with internet.com as APN and IMEI cloned from my old nokia 6620 phone so they see my phone as a nokia (when i log in to manage my account it says "my nokia 6620")

Posted by: reiyne

Quote:

Originally Posted by minel

i use the $7 unlimited wap plan with internet.com as APN and IMEI cloned from my old nokia 6620 phone so they see my phone as a nokia (when i log in to manage my account it says "my nokia 6620")

uhh, u know that the unlimited wap plan only works with goam.com right? if you use internet.com, u'll be charged standard data fees.

Posted by: RafMac

Quote:

Originally Posted by reiyne

uhh, u know that the unlimited wap plan only works with goam.com right? if you use internet.com, u'll be charged standard data fees.

Apparently, there are no charges on internet.com, see people on Canadian iphone site reveal: http://iphoneincanada.ca/forums/index.php

Posted by: nasa25

i highly doubt rogers would be so stupid and leave thousands and thousands of dollars on the table by not charging people with third party phones who use the internet.com APN. They might not have gotten you yet, but I think that eventually they will.

Posted by: v1etnammer

I posted a similar question on the s60 forums about being able to use this plan with s60 devices and a member there told me that simply changing your IMEI will not be enough as they also check the type of browser you use and such.

Here's the thread (its short, I just started it a few hours ago) if you guys want to check it out. http://howardforums.com/showthread....23#post10866723

So, I'm not sure if this is exactly how it works, but hopefully this will help out somehow.

Posted by: RafMac

You all can Blah Blah Blah about this data charge, but after 2-3 months of no charges. Rogers CSRs assuring that you will not be charged. Well, get this, if the **** drops come April or May. Tens of thousand iPhone users in Canada will be *****ing and making legal complaints will create bad press for Rogers as it did for Apple when they bricked the iPhones. Lawsuits will be flying as per CSR promises and customers having evidence of first two-three months of no charges and assurances by CSRs that they have an iphone.

Rogers must be happy that there are thousands of iPhone users in Canada as it generates free income for them without even advertising the frickin' iphone. It's free publicity on behalf of Apple. They are lovin' that extra $ millions of service contract revenue due to unlocked iphone signups. As for Bell and Telus keep offering better unlimited plans Rogers has to match up silently as things change everyday. As for competition it will stay that way as I don't think the charges will be there as I'll be cautious and monitor it. Remember you have assurance from CSR on file. New companies will be formed in May as per airwaves auction, rogers is pleasing all customers today. By the way, according to canadian patent office, apple has filed for iphone trademark in Canada.

Posted by: strang

Anyone been using this without any problems still?

Posted by: fidoguru101

Bills are be rolling in... Just got my Fido bill, but i haven't tested this on a iPhone yet

Posted by: exitN80

I got dinged with a $1300 bill last month, but it's only because Fido didn't activate my new plan when they were supposed to. They wiped it clean and I paid my regular $36

We'll see how the next month goes, but I'm not worried. My IMEI is cloned and I have notes from 3 CSR's in my file (just double checked it today when I added a second line)

Posted by: RASHID007

What notes did you have the CSRs make? What did you ask them?

Posted by: strang

Anyone else?

Posted by: tedthomas1085

I tried the $7 WAP on Rogers last month with my iPhone, using internet.com to access. I use just over 13 mb and my bill came back with no additional charges - looks like it worked. I've put on another 15-20 mb this month and am praying to every God I know of that I won't get bitten by Rogers. But when I check on my Rogers.com account, it says next to my "$7 Unlimited WAP Browsing" that I am eligible to use it on "All of my current Rogers devices" or something like that - so apparently Rogers seems okay with "the device" that I am using (iPhone, cough cough).

Now I'm thinking of completing the unlock with something like what is being sold on iPhoneTheSolution.com (I have a Stealth Sim now and am sick of the "No SIM" errors). I'm just worried what this might do to my IMEI or anything else from Roger's perspective.

Thoughts?

Posted by: canadian studen

^ this is great news, finally someone with some real evidence.

Posted by: RASHID007

What month did you put 13mb on? When did the billing cycle start and end? When did the bill arrive and when is it due?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedthomas1085

I tried the $7 WAP on Rogers last month with my iPhone, using internet.com to access. I use just over 13 mb and my bill came back with no additional charges - looks like it worked. I've put on another 15-20 mb this month and am praying to every God I know of that I won't get bitten by Rogers. But when I check on my Rogers.com account, it says next to my "$7 Unlimited WAP Browsing" that I am eligible to use it on "All of my current Rogers devices" or something like that - so apparently Rogers seems okay with "the device" that I am using (iPhone, cough cough).

Now I'm thinking of completing the unlock with something like what is being sold on iPhoneTheSolution.com (I have a Stealth Sim now and am sick of the "No SIM" errors). I'm just worried what this might do to my IMEI or anything else from Roger's perspective.

Thoughts?

Posted by: leegoon

Has anyone tried proxy.pac wap proxy method as instructed in this thread on Rogers?

I tried and it wouldn't work.

I carefully verified any typos but there were none.

was I supposed to put somthing into the setting->genera->network->edge setting also?

anyways, I'm using internet.com instead and it works.

Posted by: strang

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedthomas1085

This is great news! I would love to know what was the billing period for this.

Using a software unlocking method doesn't necessarily mean changing your IMEI. Just run something like ZiPhone, Pwnage or iLiberty and do the jailbreak, unlock, activate portions and nothing else.

Posted by: batuo

I work for rogers as a dealer and i have tried changing my imei and in our web based tool, sales central, i can see that the system detects my iphone as a sony ericsson w580i (this was the imei i changed to). Now i have followed the instructions at the top of the thread and at first they didn't work. It says to reboot the iphone and then everything will work. What i found was when i ssh'd the files to my phone and then turned off the wifi it would work but once you reboot the phone this little trick would no longer function. I would then have to transfer the "preferences.plst" file again. Now i just did this two days again so i have not received a bill yet. I know rogers is implementing the software in the network to track specifically which phone is being used when browsing the net. This is why no one has been hit with the charges yet. Once my bill comes in i will post what happened.

Posted by: strang

I also got the new $20 Communicate today. Going to use it very moderately and report when the bill comes in.

Posted by: netcbc

could you let us know how you set this up on your iphone?

so you were only able to access wap sites?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedthomas1085

Posted by: total hype

I followed the intructions in the 1st post, but it's not working for me. Has anyone got it working?

Also, is the rogers proxy ip correct in the 1st post?

Posted by: andrewcjduong

$7 wap plan, does that mean you only get wap websites or will it show full html websites? and how did you use 13mb only. each website is like over a meg.

Posted by: math609

Quote:

Originally Posted by total hype

I followed the intructions in the 1st post, but it's not working for me. Has anyone got it working?

Also, is the rogers proxy ip correct in the 1st post?

I tried a lot of these proxy and no one worked for me!!
By the way you need to use the proxy.pac to make WAP work on an Iphone... but honestly I tried and I failed.....

If you find something let me know!!

Mathieu

Posted by: Mike Jesso

I talked to a rogers dude today and he told me to use ....
APN goam.com
username wapuser1
password wap

now the Edge network works just fine. slow as hell tho. Lucky for me a wi-fi signal is often available.

Posted by: math609

You are saying
APN goam.com working without any proxy.....
According to what I know it's simply impossible... and I am trying this right now... and it doesn't work... but if you use Internet.com, then it work but you pay per use!

just my 2 cents...

Mathieu

Posted by: Nutbar

Nope. I just changed my APN from Internet.com to Goam.com.

It doesn't work.

Could a proxy.pac file be written that would block all http & https traffic when I am connected to the edge subnet, but allow it when I'm connected to my WiFi subnet?

I'm on the $15 / 2MB Windows mobile email plan. Email is supposed to be free on this plan from Gmail & Hotmail, but I want to block http so I don't accidentally download images for an HTML mail message and use up my 2MB. There's no option on the iPhone to disable auto-downloading images.

Posted by: total hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by math609

Mathieu

I did make proxy.pac file. I followed the instructions to a t, it's just not working for me

Posted by: goldsaint

Quote:

Originally Posted by nasa25

i highly doubt rogers would be so stupid and leave thousands and thousands of dollars on the table by not charging people with third party phones who use the internet.com APN. They might not have gotten you yet, but I think that eventually they will.

i think you are out of your mind!

i have the $7 option on my Unlocked iphone since 3-4 months now and guess what?

i paid $0 to surf the web (HTML) and get my emails (unlimited receive/send) and download app through edge via installer.

and i didnt ''follow'' the BS posted in the 1st page of this thread, nor the BS from ''rogers'' users.

the story is simple : as long as u get a Rogers phone IMEI in your account in salescentral, u are free to use whatever unlocked devices u want with your SIM.

Basta.

imagine 1million users with $7/months. I am sure Rogers will keep its mouth shut!

if they begin to BS us with IMEI checking etc, i am sure everybody will remove the $7 option as its no contract.

so F. stop BS people!

Posted by: Nutbar

preferences.plist is in /var/preferences/SystemConfiguration on my phone, not in the directory specified in the first post

Posted by: math609

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

preferences.plist is in /var/preferences/SystemConfiguration on my phone, not in the directory specified in the first post

that is totataly normal because I suppose you're on 1.1.3 or 1.1.4.....

Posted by: Nutbar

I got it working following these instructions.... with 1.1.4 on Rogers

http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38681

<key>Proxies</key>
<dict>
<key>HTTPEnable</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>HTTPPort</key>
<integer>80</integer>
<key>HTTPProxy</key>
<string>10.128.1.169</string>
<key>HTTPSEnable</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>HTTPSPort</key>
<integer>80</integer>
<key>HTTPSProxy</key>
<string>10.128.1.169</string>
</dict>

I think the proxy address posted in the 1st post is actually intended for MMS. I used 10.128.1.169 instead.

Posted by: anthonyho67

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldsaint

Are you still under your Unlimited Three months?? If yes...please tell me what your phone bill is next month...i am VERY interested to see...

Posted by: goldsaint

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonyho67

Are you still under your Unlimited Three months?? If yes...please tell me what your phone bill is next month...i am VERY interested to see...

dude, you didnt get it.

i never was part of a ''3 months unlimited data'' program.
that only comes in the ''Vision'' package.

with the $7 its a different story: it works like an option, for ex voicemail or caller id.

u can add it or remove it anytime.
since i have the $7 option, i was never cherged, and its been 3-4 months i am on it.

so, when i see ''$15 unlimited emails/months'' i can LMAO.

Posted by: shaolinmonk

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldsaint

the story is simple : as long as u get a Rogers phone IMEI in your account in salescentral, u are free to use whatever unlocked devices u want with your SIM.

imagine 1million users with $7/months. I am sure Rogers will keep its mouth shut!

if they begin to BS us with IMEI checking etc, i am sure everybody will remove the $7 option as its no contract.

yep until there is a system roll out everyone should be fine...but becasue we don't know when or if a patch is going up.. one random day you might see a nice hefty bill....

fyi - there aren't even close to a million iphone users in canada...

Posted by: Nutbar

Did you miss this thread....

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1356022

Quote:

Starting the 15th of April, the business rules around the Unlimited Surfing on your Fido option will be enforced by the billing system. Customers having those options on incompatible devices (grey market, Blackberry, PDA's or Windows Mobile phones) or using their handset for other than WAP browsing will be billed on a pay-per-use basis.
(This means using the WAP gateway. Whether a webpage is displayed in WAP or HTML is completely irrelevant as long as you're using the proper device)

So as long as you use the wap gateway, and change your IMEI, you are fine?

Posted by: goldsaint

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaolinmonk

1 million users was just an example

Posted by: goldsaint

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

Did you miss this thread....

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1356022

So as long as you use the wap gateway, and change your IMEI, you are fine?

this is for Fido, not Rogers.

i think its BS anyway because i have been told by my DRM from Rogers that IMEI checking would be :

expensive, slowing down the servers, and will need constant refresh in the customer's details. that would just ruin the system.

u guys using salescentral know what i am talking about, because salescentral is slow as c.hi.t and imei checking and other ''controls'' would sign the End of Rogers online activation.

even if they do imei checking, it will be manually done by a rep over the telephone. one advice : don't call rogers

Posted by: Nutbar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

I got it working following these instructions.... with 1.1.4 on Rogers

http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38681

<key>Proxies</key>
<dict>
<key>HTTPEnable</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>HTTPPort</key>
<integer>80</integer>
<key>HTTPProxy</key>
<string>10.128.1.169</string>
<key>HTTPSEnable</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>HTTPSPort</key>
<integer>80</integer>
<key>HTTPSProxy</key>
<string>10.128.1.169</string>
</dict>

I think the proxy address posted in the 1st post is actually intended for MMS. I used 10.128.1.169 instead.

I typed the IP address wrong in this post. It should be 10.128.1.69

Posted by: Mike Jesso

I have the 16 gb iPhone with 1.1.4 and I used ZiPhoneWin-2.6b to unlock Jailbreal and activate .I have the 20 dollar communication plan.For the edge settings I put in wapuser1 for the user name and wap for the password. left the APN empty . I also have Data roaming shut off. and wi-fi off.
THAT IT.... Iv been using the browser non stop every chance I get. Iv also been calling rogers every day to find out if I have any charges for data and it all checks out.Mine is running super fast as well... Id say about 80 to 90% as fast as wi-fi.(for all the sites I go to anyway)
I would suggest
- restoring your phone back to new.
-unlock,jailbreak,and activate with ZiPhoneWin-2.6b
-data roaming on or off(makes no difference)
-under edge settings
--->APN....
--->username...wapuser1
--->password...wap
THEN POWER DOWN YOUR PHONE THEN TURN IT BACK ON AND YOUR DONE!!!!!

This works for me ... unlimited data

Posted by: reiyne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

holy crap! that actually worked!, and the ip does have to be 10.128.1.69 not 169. now my question is, even though i'm using wap now, is there any chance that i still get billed for normal data?

Posted by: frederickyu

Quote:

Originally Posted by reiyne

holy crap! that actually worked!, and the ip does have to be 10.128.1.69 not 169. now my question is, even though i'm using wap now, is there any chance that i still get billed for normal data?

so if I add the code to my Iphone and and the $7 unlimited plan. is that means i am all set for unlimited internet browsing?
Frederick

Posted by: Nutbar

Nobody knows for sure if they will have enforcement beyond the imei number and the wap apn. But it is definitely possible. I do know that this works on the t-mobile t-zone which is t-mobile's $5.99 unlimited wap plan.

Posted by: total hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by reiyne

holy crap! that actually worked!, and the ip does have to be 10.128.1.69 not 169. now my question is, even though i'm using wap now, is there any chance that i still get billed for normal data?

I still don't have this working, did you delete proxy.pac?
Also I used ibrickr to modify the files, should I use another program?

Posted by: Nutbar

I used WinSCP and wordpad to edit preferences.plist. And I deleted proxy.pac.

Posted by: Nutbar

you'll also have to remove ProxyAutoConfigEnable and ProxyAutoConfigURLString from preferences.plist if you added them before.

Posted by: turbo91talon

So what programs do i need to have installed to make these changes? Im with fido, i just got my bnib iphone 1 week ago, ran ziphone 3.0 on it, and thats basically it... please help. I want to make these changes asap. thanks.

Posted by: Nutbar

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo91talon

So what programs do i need to have installed to make these changes? Im with fido, i just got my bnib iphone 1 week ago, ran ziphone 3.0 on it, and thats basically it... please help. I want to make these changes asap. thanks.

The most important things you need installed on the iPhone are the (1) BSD Subsystem and (2) OpenSSH. But I'd also recommend having (3) MobileFinder, (4) MobileTextEdit, and (5) Term-vt100 installed just in case you mess something up. A knowledge of xml syntax and is good to have too.

Posted by: Nutbar

Here's the t-mobile post from modmyifone.com edited for Rogers
http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38681

You can actually enter the bottom part through the regular setting screen. This file is like the windows registry on the iphone. So don't screw it up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freshster;221711

Hello all,

Just doing a little bit of research I found a way to get the t-zones ($5.99) internet working without using the proxy.pac file. You will still need to modify the preferences.plist file though.

I am posting this to inform everyone of my findings, as this method seems to be just a tiny bit cleaner in overall configuration.

Procedure:

1) Uninstall or manually remove any previous t-zones proxy hacks.
2) Delete the proxy.pac file (not required).
3) Add the lines highlighted in red to the preferences.plist file. Mine was locatedat /private/var/preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist.

Rogers changes are in green -- #$%! the colour blind.... LOL

(Only modify the section with DeviceName "ip1") -- and make sure you scroll down and see the stuff at the bottom

Code:


/private/var/preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist

	<key>Interface</key>
	<dict>
		<key>DeviceName</key>
		<string>ip1</string>
		<key>Hardware</key>
		<string>com.apple.CommCenter</string>
		<key>Type</key>
		<string>com.apple.CommCenter</string>
	</dict>
	<key>Proxies</key>
	<dict>
		<key>HTTPEnable</key>
		<integer>1</integer>
		<key>HTTPPort</key>
		<integer>80</integer>
		<key>HTTPProxy</key>
		<string>10.128.1.69</string>
		<key>HTTPSEnable</key>
		<integer>1</integer>
		<key>HTTPSPort</key>
		<integer>80</integer>
		<key>HTTPSProxy</key>
		<string>10.128.1.69</string>
	</dict>
	<key>com.apple.CommCenter</key>
	<dict>
		<key>AllowNetworkAccess</key>
		<integer>1</integer>
		<key>Available</key>
		<integer>1</integer>
		<key>Setup</key>
		<dict>
			<key>apn</key>
                   <string>goam.com</string>
			<key>password</key>
		<string>wap</string>
			<key>username</key>
		<string>wapuser1</string>
		</dict>
		<key>Version</key>
		<integer>1</integer>
	</dict>

It does not speed anything up as far as I can tell, and there still seems to be the initial delay when first connecting to any of the internet services (i.e. safari, weather, mail, etc.). The only differences is like I said before; it is just a bit cleaner setup.

Please let me know how it works for you.
I have tested this on 1.1.3 and 1.1.4.

Thanks.

Posted by: canadoc

Ok a few Questions:

I have made the changes as listed above to the preferences.plist.

I currently don't have the 7$ plan but have the previous 10$ for 10 mb plan. When I try to use Goam.com on that plan it fails.
As such I am hesitant to switch to the 7$ plan and give u the cheapest data plan after it (since it is no longer offered).

Anybody elese get this pdp error using goam.com

Posted by: Nutbar

Is there an error message?

Posted by: canadoc

I get the error:
Could not activate EDGE:PDP authentication failure.

If I switch to internet.com APN all works fine. I am not sure of this is because the 10$ plan I have is designed for internet.com gateway only or if there is a setup problem.

Posted by: Nutbar

I managed to replicate that message by entering an incorrect password.

Make sure you have u/p set to wapuser1/wap

You can set this through the regular iPhone setting. You don't have to edit the text file.

Posted by: canadoc

that and pulling out sim rebooting reinserting worked!!!!

Posted by: canadoc

one thing though

i noticed when looking at my edge ip (with bossprefs) that it is not the one in the proxy showing but rather 172.x.x.x
Should I be changing the proxy settings to this ip?

Posted by: canadoc

also noticed that youtube and mail dont seem to work

Posted by: Nutbar

I believe the # in boss prefs is your ip address on the rogers edge network. I suggest going back and editing that post.

My mail doesn't work either. I don't use youtube on edge.

Posted by: Nutbar

If that is actually your IP address (172.x.x.x) then its no wonder I couldn't get the proxy.pac method to work. The javascript code was explicitly looking for a 10.x.x.x IP address to determine whether you were using WIFI or Edge.

function FindProxyForURL(url, host)
{
if (isInNet(myIpAddress(), "10.0.0.0", "255.0.0.0"))
return "PROXY 172.25.0.107:80";
else
return "DIRECT";
}

I noticed there are a couple of installer packages for the T-Mobile TZones hack.

- T-Mobile 1.1.3 TZones Hack
- T-Mobile TZones Hack

source = http://thebigboss.org/repo.xml

Posted by: canadoc

do you think there are any mods to the pref file to allow mail to work?
I am less concerned by youtube but not being able to access mail.......

Posted by: Nutbar

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadoc

do you think there are any mods to the pref file to allow mail to work?
I am less concerned by youtube but not being able to access mail.......

Personally I'm willing to settle for gmail's iphone-optimized web interface.

The spec for the preferences.plist is here.....
http://developer.apple.com/document...gFrameworks.pdf

It has the following keys...

SOCKSEnable (integer)
SOCKSPort (integer)
SOCKSProxy (string)

From this post here...

http://www.modaco.com/content/Samsu...Rogers-Network/

It says ....

Profile Name: Socks4
Connects from: The Internet
Connects to: WAP Network
Proxy: 10.128.1.69:1080
Type: Socks4

So port = 1080, server = 10.128.1.69.

It might work. But the $7 plan is supposed to be wap & http only.

Posted by: canadoc

true but maybe we can proxy the mail through the wap or http server

Posted by: Nutbar

I tried the SOCKSProxy. Unfortunately it didn't fix my mail problem.

Back to the drawing board.

Posted by: canadoc

tried adding those setting to the plist in the proxies section using the same settings as already found there. No luck unfortunately.
Are you sure about the port of 1080 ? and should I enter SOCKS or SOCKS4?

Posted by: Nutbar

it would be like this if it actually worked...

<key>SOCKSEnable</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>SOCKSPort</key>
<integer>1080</integer>
<key>SOCKSProxy</key>
<string>10.128.1.69</string>

But I can't get that to work at all.

I also tried the proxy.pac method, and still I can't get email to work on Rogers through goam.com

Posted by: Nutbar

Here's some simplified instructions...

1. install the T-Mobile T-Zones 1.1.3 hack from the installer

2. change your edge settings via the settings app.
APN = goam.com
Username = wapuser1
Password = wap

3. edit the /var/preferences/proxy.pac file

function FindProxyForURL(url, host)
{
if (isInNet(myIpAddress(), "172.0.0.0", "255.0.0.0"))
return "PROXY 10.128.1.69:80";
else
return "DIRECT";
}

Posted by: Nutbar

The other proxy works too. 172.25.0.107:80. But email still doesn't work.

Does anyone know if one proxy is better than the other (10.128.1.69:80 vs 172.25.0.107:80)?

Posted by: canadoc

http://www.downloads.rogers.com/wir...s_GPRS_EDGE.pdf

was reading this which might be why e-mail and youtube doesn't work.

Posted by: leegoon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

Here's some simplified instructions...

1. install the T-Mobile T-Zones 1.1.3 hack from the installer

2. change your edge settings via the settings app.
APN = goam.com
Username = wapuser1
Password = wap

3. edit the /var/preferences/proxy.pac file

function FindProxyForURL(url, host)
{
if (isInNet(myIpAddress(), "172.0.0.0", "255.0.0.0"))
return "PROXY 10.128.1.69:80";
else
return "DIRECT";
}

OMG thank you so much, I was having so much trouble with the configuration and I was using internet.com edge setting.

Faking IMEI and Internet routed via WAP proxy will last me for a long time for sure.

It's too bad that mail doesn't connect using this method (I'm not too crazy about the youtube)

But I can access Gmail via safari. (I get mail notification via sms anyways)

Thank you again, this t-zone+proxy.pac works!

Posted by: total hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

Thanks, this method works
Anybody thinks we won't be charged additional (ppu)?

Posted by: Nutbar

is it just my imagination, or is safari faster on goam.com?

Posted by: Nutbar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

Does anyone know if one proxy is better than the other (10.128.1.69:80 vs 172.25.0.107:80)?

Safari seems fastest on 10.128.1.69

Posted by: Nutbar

Quote:

Originally Posted by total hype

Thanks, this method works
Anybody thinks we won't be charged additional (ppu)?

I'm on 3 months unlimited so I won't be the guinnea pig.

Posted by: ruffdeezy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Jesso

I have the 16 gb iPhone with 1.1.4 and I used ZiPhoneWin-2.6b to unlock Jailbreal and activate .I have the 20 dollar communication plan.For the edge settings I put in wapuser1 for the user name and wap for the password. left the APN empty . I also have Data roaming shut off. and wi-fi off.
THAT IT.... Iv been using the browser non stop every chance I get. Iv also been calling rogers every day to find out if I have any charges for data and it all checks out.Mine is running super fast as well... Id say about 80 to 90% as fast as wi-fi.(for all the sites I go to anyway)
I would suggest
- restoring your phone back to new.
-unlock,jailbreak,and activate with ZiPhoneWin-2.6b
-data roaming on or off(makes no difference)
-under edge settings
--->APN....
--->username...wapuser1
--->password...wap
THEN POWER DOWN YOUR PHONE THEN TURN IT BACK ON AND YOUR DONE!!!!!

This works for me ... unlimited data

That must be fun to call rogers everyday to see if you still haven't been charged

Posted by: total hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutbar

do you still need these installed? I am finding that my battery drains faster after installing bsd subsystem and open ssh. Anyone else experience this?

Posted by: Nutbar

/\ /\

You just need OpenSSH installed so you can edit the text file. Once you have it edited you can uninstall it. I tried editing it with Mobile Text Edit, but it won't save my changes.

Does anyone know of another good text editor? I tried vi and pico on Term-vt100 but I can't use vi without an [Esc] key, and I have no experience with pico.

Posted by: infamouz

Hi,

I have been somewhat keeping up with the Iphone on EDGE topic, just wanted let you know that i have used about 4 mb data and i have the value pack that includes the unlimited browsing for Rogers, I got my bill and have not been charged for any data usage. Just wanted to let you know my experience.

Posted by: total hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by infamouz

Hi,

I have been somewhat keeping up with the Iphone on EDGE topic, just wanted let you know that i have used about 4 mb data and i have the value pack that includes the unlimited browsing for Rogers, I got my bill and have not been charged for any data usage. Just wanted to let you know my experience.

I heard that rogers/fido are changing the way they monitor data.

Posted by: infamouz

Well i dont know how they monitor data and all but i talked to the rep and she said i could use internet and browsing unlimited and free so I just recorded her name and ID, i'm not going to use it alot but if i do get hit with a big bill or something i'm gonna tell them that i thought i could use it per the CSR, hope they dont' change their monitoring way though....

Posted by: v1etnammer

Well according to Rogers, they have not implemented their way of monitoring data usage yet, and it should be effective tomorrow. So, everyone who has mentioned that their data usage has been free and the IMEI changing has tricked Rogers shouldn't be used as examples until May bills start rolling in.

Out of curiosity. Are the majority of you who are reporting free data using the IMEI changing method or are you just using your iPhone as is with the unlimited data plans?

Posted by: math609

According to my knowledge...

Rogers aren't magician but they can track a phone by:
1-IMEI
2-Account
3- User Agent
4- APN used...

Right now, imei can be bypassed, apn too, account, it's easy
The last this that they can check is the UserAgent... and this can be changed too.....
I am working these days on this, and looking at what was done in France, and will let you know... of course if it interests you....

Mathieu

Posted by: infamouz

I'm just using my iphone under the unlimited brownsing plan , I didn't do anything else

Posted by: total hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by math609

According to my knowledge...

Rogers aren't magician but they can track a phone by:
1-IMEI
2-Account
3- User Agent
4- APN used...

Right now, imei can be bypassed, apn too, account, it's easy
The last this that they can check is the UserAgent... and this can be changed too.....
I am working these days on this, and looking at what was done in France, and will let you know... of course if it interests you....

Mathieu

What do you mean by UserAgent?

Posted by: math609

User agent: Wikipedia

It is the name of the string that contain all the information of a browser...

For exemple: the user Agent of the iphone is: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0

Mathieu

Oh and remember, google is your best friend...........

Posted by: total hype

Quote:

Originally Posted by math609

User agent: Wikipedia

It is the name of the string that contain all the information of a browser...

For exemple: the user Agent of the iphone is: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0

Mathieu

Oh and remember, google is your best friend...........

i thought you were...

Posted by: math609

Quote:

Originally Posted by total hype

i thought you were...

You mean crazy?

I was serious and this is the only way Rogers can detect if it's a 3rd party app or Rogers Browser....
Except if they had put a special tracker in their own browser.... and to this... I would say, it's "impossible" It would take to much energy to make this kind of thing and to much of coding

and also, if they had done this... they would be using it right now....

Finally there is also others ways to know what phone youa re using BUT, they are much more difficult.... and less precise

Mathieu

Posted by: 4krzn

Ok Folks, I am trying the Fido $7.00 / mth unlimited.

I hooked up today.
I am using an Unlocked Iphone on 1.1.4
my IMEI has been changed to a Fido registered V3 Razor ( just in case)
I spoke to the rep and he said the IMEI did not matter, as long as I use the internet using my registered Sim Card. I would not be charged for surfing the net but if I use it for Email , I would be charged 5 cents / KB

My settings are
APN = internet.fido.ca
username = fido
password = fido

I originally had APN = wap.fido.ca but did not work.

so far I have 179kb sent
and 518 kb received.

I will call them tomorrow and see if I am being charged for that.

Wish me luck

Posted by: manhasset

Ok, I called Fido today to sign up for their unlimited $7 plan. Here's what happened:

1. I called, said what I was interested in, specifically mentioned the iPhone and the rep said no problem. She said, "It's unlimited... unless you download something."

2. I asked her to clarify "download something". She said, mp3s, pdfs, etc. I said, "What about email." No problem. "What about youtube. "No problem." I said, "What about google maps?" No problem. "What about web sites?" No problem--just don't download ringtones or mp3s and stuff like that because that's not surfing, that's downloading.

(This didn't make a hell of a lot of sense to me.)

I had her activate the account. She said it would be activated immediately.

20 minutes later I clicked on the MAPS button on my iPhone and it told me EDGE was not activated.

3. I called Fido back and got a different rep, explained that the other rep said, "immediately" and she said, "Did you fill in the settings?" I said no, the woman didn't tell me about any settings. New rep said, "I'll Text Message them to you. Fill them out and ... good luck. We don't support the iPhone but if you can get it working, great. If you can't, just call back and cancel the $7 plan."

4. I received three text messages that say this, exactly:

** 1 **

General WAP settings
WAP Home Page:
http://wap.fido.ca
APN: wap.fido.ca
IP Address: 205.151.011.011

User Name: fido
Password: fido

** 2 **

General data settings
APN: internet.fido.ca
User Name: fido
Password: fido
Dial-up Access: *99#

** 3 **

Domain Name System (DNS)
Primary: 204.92.15.211
Secondary: 204.92.15.212

*** end messages **

So... the only place on my iPhone where I could see any of this fitting was the content of message two being plugged into my EDGE preferences.

I did that and then again pushed the MAPS button on my iPhone and it worked perfectly.

** NOW **

What can I do to test the billing issue?

Is there a site that I can go to that won't be too extreme that I can then call Fido tomorrow and check if it went by for free? For instance, does anyone have a 1 - 10 second youtube video to check out?

Anything else I can do to test the billing end?

Also, when I call back tomorrow, and get the rep to tell me the iPhone is fine and unlimited if I can get it to work, etc... what should I tell them to put in my notes so I'm protected?

Thanks!

Posted by: manhasset

Okay, so I just called Fido up and got another rep and tried to get clarification on the issue. He had little to offer, especially regarding Youtube. He agreed that the language of the agreement is vague in regards to what constitutes surfing and downloading.

He pulled up my file and said that he could see I did some stuff last night (I used google maps, email, and safari) but said that it was nothing that incurred any additional charges.

I asked if that meant they were free and clear--that is, is it possible they'll charge me for them later and he said absolutely not. "Once they appear on his system without charges they're through."

Regarding Youtube, he told me to watch a video and then call back 24 hours later and see if they charged me. He said he would put a note on the file that if they did charge me the charges should be reversed.

So, anyone got a link to a really short vid on Youtube for me to check?

Posted by: manhasset

Okay, get this: mere seconds after posting the above the rep called me back and told me he'd spoken to someone else and they said that YOUTUBE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT included and he warned me that under no circumstances should I try it as it would for sure incur costs.

He also listed off a list of things that were okay and said that they were all on the "I Accept" page. I asked him what that meant and he said that whenever you try to go online you'll see the "i accept" page where you have to click "Okay". I said I saw no such thing and that I simply pushed the weather button or maps button on my iPhone and those things popped up. He then said that they didn't support the iPhone but that obviously the things I did last night (maps, email, weather, non-streaming web browsing) which didn't show up on my bill should be fine but he warned that there was no way for him to guarantee any of this since technically it's not supported.

Posted by: nasa25

nice covering your bum rogers.....i would figure all the reps would be coached to say use data on the iphone at your own risk, but it seems like most of them have no clue. Rogers is so frustrating....just give the people what they want you stupid idiots!!!

Posted by: leegoon

I've been using IMEIcopied/Wap proxied iphone for a week now.
Here are things that doesn't work so far:

//////////////////////////////////////////////////
1. Mail app can't pull the mails from server
(solution: make a home icon as a shortcut to gmail's inbox, gmail's iphone page is quite nice neways)
2. Youtube (which I never use anyways)
3. smart RSS
( it will try to update the RSS and crash and burn and eventually reset the whole list-> solution: use mobile RSS instead)
4. Display of some languages on Safari
( I've got some foreign website which displays fine on internet.com protocole and WIFI but under WAP setting it can't display some foreign languages)

Posted by: Nutbar

If you used the tzones hack from the installer, don't use bossprefs to disable/enable edge. The preferences.plist file that comes with the installer package is for 1.1.3 and bossprefs breaks it on 1.1.4.

Its better to edit the xml in the preferences.plist yourself and keep it as a 1.1.4 version.

Posted by: Supgee

I just called FIDO and activated the $7 unlimited surfing plan on my iPhone. I didn't let her know that I was using an iPhone though, but I kept dipping into the fact I was using a non FIDO phone.

She told me that as long as I was just surfing on the iPhonet through "internet.fido.ca user: fido password: fido" and was not downloading anything that my browsing should be free.

I also told her that there were many cases of people who's data plans didn't work and they were stuck with $1000 bills. She said if I was to get a huge bill one day to call in and say you were using the data plan and that it didn't work. As long sa they had the invoice proof that you didn't pay a single cent for your EDGE network last month, and then all of a sudden got a $1000 bill that they would reimburse you.

I'm confident that it works, but I'll report back if it doesn't.

Posted by: manhasset

I just spoke to yet another rep who absolutely insisted that the iPhone was not elligible. While on hold she spoke with her "coach" and tech support and both said 5 cents per meg will kick in.

She said that the $12 for 1mb plan was elligible for the iPhone but of course it's impossible to know what you're downloading.

I only want to use Google, Google Maps, and email. I have no idea if the $12 thing will cover a month of usage of that but she comped me a month's worth and I'm gonna check it out.

Posted by: netcbc

so are you guys just surfing wap sites or everything? NO one has been hit yet? I have the $7 plan for my iphone but have yet to test things out...

Posted by: shawnie53

So... On the 18$ Val pack, still in the unlimited browsing period, did something special to my iPhone`s IMEI

and wap.fido.ca proxy hack... AND GUESS WHAT!!! (Hope it`s going to be the same for the 20$ val pack... I was prob the first to get my bill while in the changed period)

http://www.howardforums.com/attachm...achmentid=64248

Posted by: Nutbar

Thanks for posting that Shawn. That's encouraging to see.

Is this you, or another Shawn?
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10131160822

BTW, I stumbled across a 3rd proxy server for Rogers:
208.200.67.150:8080

So we have 3 now:
- 10.128.1.69:80
- 172.25.0.107:80
- 208.200.67.150:8080

I still don't know which one is best.

Posted by: netcbc

wow that's hardcore $135K of potential edge spending and you got it free?

so can you let us know or PM me the details =)

would be much appreciated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnie53

So... On the 18$ Val pack, still in the unlimited browsing period, did something special to my iPhone`s IMEI

Posted by: hunkytoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neonblue81

It appears that the phones have already been branded and are sitting in a warehouse somewhere, and as soon as the issue between Comwave over the iPhone branding / patent (in Canada) has been resolved they'll be shipping them out.

Wasn't this the *exact* thing they said about the Rogers-branded TYTN2's? Stuck in some magical warehouse until the TYTN 1's were all sold?

Posted by: hunkytoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by RafMac

.....Rogers CSRs assuring that you will not be charged. Well, get this, if the **** drops come April or May. Tens of thousand iPhone users in Canada will be *****ing and making legal complaints will create bad press for Rogers as it did for Apple when they bricked the iPhones. Lawsuits will be flying as per CSR promises and customers having evidence of first two-three months of no charges and assurances by CSRs that they have an iphone.

Lawsuits will be flying? Youre joking right?

Best case scenario for those who used it and was charged was that theyll be credited back usage and told never to use it again. 99.9% of the people will NOT file a lawsuit as lawyer costs et al are not worth it for 200$ of data charges. Just because a rep tells you somethign (and documented) wrong means youll get the correct explanation and a credit for misinformation but once you are told the truth youre on your own. In any case, all official documentation online and advertisment clearly says Rogers-phones only so a judge would more than likely *not* rule in your favor especially since after you explain to him how you illegally unlocked a foreign phone and then illegally changed its IMEI...

Posted by: hunkytoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldsaint

a) fido=rogers.
b) im sure your drm is very well aquainted with a billing system hes probably never used

c) the system has seen what imei your using for many months now as has been seen on rogers.com when you sign in your profile. If it is expensive that means it *was* expensive and the cost have already been assumed. You wouldn't need a constant refresh, only upon turning on your phone, as as long as your phone remains on you aren't able to change phones.

Posted by: andrewcjduong

so ive read EVERYTHING in this forum and im guessing NO ONE has got charged, seems like a good thing, i think il do it. the whole address typing and proxy w