Google
 
Web www.howardforums.com
Pages: 1

HSDPA Vs. HSUPA Latency differences?

(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)


Posted by: JoeyDee

I just bought an HSDPA usb modem dirt cheap from compusa that I'm going to activate. Wether or not I'm going to keep it a while depends on wether there are latency differences between hsdpa and hsupa, which my area is hsupa... IF there is, I'll upgrade soon, if not, I'll just keep this one for a while.

Even if its a 50ms difference, i'd notice it (i play WoW).

Thanks in advance!



Posted by: formercanuck

Is your modem HSUPA ?
Also, you'd be saving cash with Sprint, as you already have service with them.



Posted by: JoeyDee

It's hsdpa, I work for radio shack, so I can get the 3rd party employee plan for the aircard, which is the same price as sprint's 3rd party plan. The reason why I'm leaning towards at&t is they probably have more backhaul for data to thier cell sites, while Sprint only has 1 T1 per tower in my area. So i'm trying to get a better connection for the same price.



Posted by: RogerPodacter

HSUPA is not even enabled yet anywhere on the ATT network as far as i know. you will have to wait till they turn it on to be able to make a comparison. its all HSDPA now isnt it?



Posted by: formercanuck

If your usb modem doesn't support HSUPA, how would having HSUPA on a site help you?
Sort of like having an EVDO Rev 0 card with an EVDO Rev A site.



Posted by: JoeyDee

The Albany area is supposed to be HSUPA as its one of the latest 3g markets.

My question is that is there supposed to be latency differences between HSDPA and HSUPA. Personal expirience for someone that travels between markets would be awesome. IF there is, then i'll upgrade to an HSUPA card relatively soon... if there isn't, than I'll just stick with this HSDPA modem I got for $60 :P



Posted by: IronCross

There ARE a couple of markets with 3.6Mbps HSDPA, and HSUPA enabled...

But like I said, A COUPLE.

Most markets are still HSDPA 1.8 as far as I know.



Posted by: JoeyDee

I remember someone saying albany was indeed HSUPA 3.6

I don't really care about that though, my question is if there's supposed to be a latency improvement going from hsdpa to hsupa?



Posted by: s3ct0r3

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyDee
I remember someone saying albany was indeed HSUPA 3.6

I don't really care about that though, my question is if there's supposed to be a latency improvement going from hsdpa to hsupa?


I really can't say because I've nothing to compare, but I highly doubt it. The only difference I can forsee is the amount of porn a person can download will have been doubled slightly–that's about it.

I've read a lot of places saying that the wireless carriers will always have horrid latency ... because they're wireless and have a crapload of interferrence.

I know .. I didn't answer your question, but I speculate that it really won't be much at all because my number always changes. I just did two tests and got 2 completely different numbers (302ms and 509ms) under 3-bar EDGE.

EDIT: I stand corrected:

Quote:
Originally Posted by scaredpoet
Sorry, I'm not going to be able to fully explain it the concept of Transmission Time Interval in a forum in a way that you'll easily understand, without boring everyone else. I suggest you read up on it though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Time_Interval

In a nuthsell: HSUPA implements changes to the uplink channel that permit for a faster TTI (DPA already has a relatively fast TTI, but clearly not fast enough to overcome latency issues). Data encapsulation is accomplished more quickly, and one of the nice side effects of this (aside from faster uplink speeds) is reduced overall latency.

Quote:
Sure HSDPA has a slower uplink, but speed (throughput) and latency usually only affect each other if the connection is maxed out.


Not always true. The encapsulation layer plays a huge role in latency. Another factor is the error correction method used and what kind of reduction on transmission efficiency it imposes. This is also true fixed-line broadband as well (see this FAQ on Fast Path vs. Interleaving for an example.




Posted by: locust43

Quote:
Originally Posted by s3ct0r3
I really can't say because I've nothing to compare, but I highly doubt it. The only difference I can forsee is the amount of porn a person can download will have been doubled slightly–that's about it.

I've read a lot of places saying that the wireless carriers will always have horrid latency ... because they're wireless and have a crapload of interferrence.

I know .. I didn't answer your question, but I speculate that it really won't be much at all because my number always changes. I just did two tests and got 2 completely different numbers (302ms and 509ms) under 3-bar EDGE.

EDIT: I stand corrected:

EDGE in my area latency is 679, 3G is only 166



Posted by: s3ct0r3

Quote:
Originally Posted by locust43
EDGE in my area latency is 679, 3G is only 166


As I said, I have nothing to compare EDGE to except itself.



Posted by: enigma99a

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyDee
It's hsdpa, I work for radio shack, so I can get the 3rd party employee plan for the aircard, which is the same price as sprint's 3rd party plan. The reason why I'm leaning towards at&t is they probably have more backhaul for data to thier cell sites, while Sprint only has 1 T1 per tower in my area. So i'm trying to get a better connection for the same price.



Yeah, ATT has 2 T1s per tower and now going to 3 per tower on some (but not all) with the coming of 3.6 HSDPA



Posted by: JoeyDee

Quote:
Originally Posted by enigma99a
Yeah, ATT has 2 T1s per tower and now going to 3 per tower on some (but not all) with the coming of 3.6 HSDPA


It's definately 2 for EVERY cell site? That's awesome. Great info.



Posted by: enigma99a

Remember transport is free now Since it became AT&T



Posted by: formercanuck

Quote:
Originally Posted by enigma99a
Remember transport is free now Since it became AT&T

I don't think that'll be the case... even if the ILEC was AT&T. Sure, its internal money, but business is business. AT&T landline / CO will charge AT&T Mobility for use of a T-1, etc. just like they would any other.



Posted by: enigma99a

Yeah, you're right. I was kinda kinda kidding :P

You now, even internal to AT&T, test phone numbers are set up a plan and everything - Yeah, AT&T pays itself. It's all internal money, but yeah and even AT&T doesn't have transport in all locations



Posted by: S0nIc_201

Im sort of confused, what exactly is the difference between hsdpa and hsupa?



Posted by: ThorBlaze Dragon

Quote:
Originally Posted by S0nIc_201
Im sort of confused, what exactly is the difference between hsdpa and hsupa?


High Speed Downlink Packet Access
High Speed Uplink Packet Access
HSPA has slightly less latency than basic UMTS





vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vB Easy Archive Final ©2000 - 2008 - Created by Stefan "Xenon" Kaeser