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Anyone Using a debranded k850 get rogers Vision software on it?

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Posted by: faibs

I posted in the Rogers forum, not many ppl have replied.
and the person that tried, can't get on the rogers wap page.

anyways, has anyone succesfully gotten the Rogers Vision software on a debranded phone?
If you want to try this out for me, I can give you directions on how to find it on their wap page.


Posted by: infamus.sza

hey iam in the same boat as you. i wonder if rogers could do it for us?


Posted by: faibs

lol no chance.


Posted by: infamus.sza

lol hmmm i just renewed my plan and got a second k850 which i was going to sell and continue to use my unlocked debranded k850i. what did you mean i can show you the wap page?


Posted by: faibs

anyone can access the wap page, however once you try to download the software, it realizes that you are running non rogers FW and says OPERATION FAILED.


Posted by: infamus.sza

ic.. show me how and ill give it a try and if that doesn't work then maybe i can download it on the rogers k850 and then.. iam stuck haha


Posted by: faibs

it comes pre loaded on the Rogers FW so there is no need to download it. I actually tried downloading it, pulling it from the card and installing it on the debranded k850. no go.
the wap page is mymobilehomepage.rogers.com
go to TV/Video then Video on demand downlaod


Posted by: infamus.sza

i remember during Christmas break i went to a local rogers store and showed them my phone and asked if i could get video calling on it. He took a look and said that they would have to install the software on to my phone and at the time the k850 wasn't available so he didn't know if it would work. Iam going to go back and see what they say now. ill post back soon


Posted by: faibs

they are uneducated useless workers,
video calling is SIM dependent, not software dependent.

just probably wants to make a quick buck off you.
but if they have the vision on demand software (highly doubt it) and are willing to give it to you, do itup!


Posted by: infamus.sza

really? hmm i just got off the phone about an hour ago when i renewed the contract etc. and the lady said just take out your sim and put it into the new phone. i guess well just have to wait and see


Posted by: jibkid

If you have a k850i from somewhere OTHER than Rogers, then you will only be able to take advantage of Video Calling and High Speed Internet as options on the Rogers network.
So, what does that mean?
No Video on Demand
No TV on Demand
No Radio on Demand.

Why? Rogers' branded K850's are locked on their network, and therefore have Rogers software that allows those phones access to the Rogers services.


Posted by: mobile_ottawa

I asked this in the Rogers forum as well without much success though.

I got the phone from Rogers, IMEI is registered with them, Vision was working on the phone. I unlocked it and debranded it.... and lost the Vision application.

Now, since I subscribe to the $7UL plan I should be able to find a way to access the service (hopefully with your help) - is anyone able to help.

As mentioned in the first post here, trying the download from Rogers page only gets you to an error message...

Heeelp


Posted by: freddylingling

im an authorized Rogers dealer and the fine print of the Vision agreement si that your phone MUST not be unlocked or debranded for use of the $7 unlimited data.

So unless you can find somewhere to rebrand your phone, you are SOL


Posted by: Chinmonkie

you can always find a rogers customized firmware in time but by the time that happens i am sure someone will find a way to put back the vision software on debranded K850is


Posted by: way2quik

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddylingling
im an authorized Rogers dealer and the fine print of the Vision agreement si that your phone MUST not be unlocked or debranded for use of the $7 unlimited data.

So unless you can find somewhere to rebrand your phone, you are SOL

cannot be unlocked as well?
That's new to me.


Posted by: mobile_ottawa

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddylingling
im an authorized Rogers dealer and the fine print of the Vision agreement si that your phone MUST not be unlocked or debranded for use of the $7 unlimited data.

So unless you can find somewhere to rebrand your phone, you are SOL


First, thank you very much for your reply.

Second, I'm sure you'll understand why, as a customer who subscribed to Vision over the phone with a CSR, I find this mention to the fine print very ; I understand and appreciate your help - it's Rogers who's EVIL (if this is the case).

Here's the fine print from Roger's site (http://your.rogers.com/store/wirele...PA4552VFSA 50E, no mention of unlocked and debranded phones).

"Rogers Vision Device Pricing
Activate or renew Any Voice Plan on a 3 year term
with
a Rogers Vision Mobile Internet Plan on a 3 year term
and get
a $100 off a Rogers Vision Device1
PLUS these amazing limited time Rogers Vision bonuses1:
3 years Unlimited local Video Calling
3 months Unlimited Video On Demand
3 months Unlimited Mobile Internet for browsing, email access, and chat
BUY A ROGERS VISION PHONE
AND GET UP TO 4 SAMSUNG A706 PHONES FOR $02
NEW!! LG Shine
NEW!! MOTORAZR2 V9
LG TU500 Get a FREE 1GB memory card3. See www.rogers.com/memorypromo for details.
Samsung A706 Get a FREE 1GB memory card3, a cigarette lighter adapter, and while supplies last, a Bluetooth® handsfree! See www.rogers.com/memorypromo for details.
Vision Service Pricing
Rogers Vision Mobile Internet Plan $5/month 10MB of data for high speed mobile Internet browsing, email access and chat. (browse approx. 2500 web pages per month and/or send/receive approx 2500 email messages per month)
Best Value!! 2 months FREE5
Rogers Vision Value Pack $25/month Unlimited Video On Demand, Unlimited Radio On Demand,
2500 Sent Text Messages6,
1000 Picture/Video Messages, Voicemail, Call Display, Name Display, WhoCalled™ $25/month Unlimited access to all clips and radio programs
Video On Demand Subscription $15/month Unlimited access to all clips
Video On Demand Pay-per-use $2.50/clip 24-hour access to individual clips
Radio On Demand Subscription $15/month Unlimited access to all radio programs on 29 channels with 5 channels exclusive to Rogers listeners
Video and Radio On Demand Subscription $25/month Unlimited access to all clips and radio programs
Mobile TV Subscription $15/month7 Unlimited Mobile TV viewing on over 25 channels
Rogers MusicStore $10/$15/$20 Unlimited Music Plans
2 months FREE8 See rogers.com/musicstore for details

Services listed are effective October 1, 2007 and are subject to change without notice.

Some services require a subscription and/or may be available on a pay-per-use basis. Visit rogers.com for rates and charges. Roaming charges may apply when roaming outside the Rogers wireless network. Not all services available outside the Rogers Vision coverage area. All data associated with Video, Radio on Demand and Mobile TV are incorporated into the pay-per-use or flat monthly fee – no additional data charges apply when using Rogers Vision services on the Rogers Wireless network. Additional data roaming charges apply when using Rogers Vision services outside of the Rogers Wireless network (i.e., while traveling outside of Canada).

Rogers Vision services available only in Rogers Vision coverage areas. See rogers.com/vision for details. Rogers Vision capable phone required. You’ll know when you are in a Rogers Vision coverage area when the network indicator appears beside the signal bars on your Rogers Vision phone. Signal strength may vary in Rogers Vision areas. If you are outside Rogers Vision coverage areas, you can still access all Rogers Vision services (with the exception of Video Calling) from the Rogers GPRS/EDGE network. You may, however, experience a slight difference in video quality and slower browsing and downloading speeds.

Video calls can be made from one Rogers Vision phone to another within the Rogers Vision coverage area and are charged in addition to standard airtime minutes. Video Calls will not be deducted from minute buckets included in standard voice plans.

Applicable taxes are extra.

1 Offer available with new subscription to any voice plan and Rogers Vision Mobile Internet plan both on a 36-month term. A $100 discount on a Rogers Vision phone (including LG Shine, MOTORAZR2 V9, Samsung A706 or LG TU500) will be applied as a credit to the customer’s bill and will appear on their first or second invoice. An Early Cancellation Fee (ECF) applies if, for any reason, your service is terminated prior to the end of the service agreement. The ECF is the greater of (i) $100 or (ii) $20 per month remaining in the service agreement, to a maximum of $400 (plus applicable taxes), and applies for each line in the plan that is terminated. In connection with your wireless data service, a Data Early Cancellation Fee (DECF) also applies if, for any reason, your service is terminated prior to the end of your plan’s commitment term (Data Term). The DECF is the greater of (i) $ or (ii) $ per month remaining in the Data Term, to a maximum of $ (plus applicable taxes), and applies in addition to the ECF for termination of your service agreement. If you subscribe to a plan combining both voice and data services, both the ECF and the DECF apply.

2 Available on new activations on 36-month term Family Plan with Rogers Vision Mobile Internet subscription for each line in the account. Offer includes one Samsung A706 at $0 for every secondary line with Rogers Vision Mobile Internet subscription activated. Rates and offers are effective November 1, 2007 and valid until January 31, 2008 or while quantities last, unless specified otherwise, and are subject to change and/or cancellation without notice.

3 Offer valid only on new activations with a 36-month term service agreement made between November 1, 2007 and January 31, 2008 or while supplies last. Limit one coupon per new account activation

4 All Rogers Vision service options require a subscription to a Rogers Wireless voice plan and a compatible HSPA phone. Available within Rogers HSPA coverage area, go to rogers.com/vision for serviceability. Additional data roaming charges apply when using Rogers Vision services outside of the Rogers Wireless network (i.e., while traveling outside of Canada). Video calls can be made between compatible HSPA phones within the Rogers HSPA coverage area only.

5 Value Packs require a subscription.

6 Each additional text message sent over the 2,500 included messages in the Vision Value Pack will be charged at 15c per message.

7 $15 monthly subscription fees include $6 service fee plus $9 transport fee.

8 Two months free offer requires a subscription to an Unlimited Music Plan, offer available until February 3, 2008. $20 unlimited subscription plan includes $15 subscription charge plus $5 mobile download charge for unlimited mobile downloads. For all Unlimited Music Plans: music downloaded will be available from the phone, and/or PC only for the duration of subscription of the Music Plan and will cease to be accessible upon termination of your Music Plan subscription. Music purchased via pay per download or imported MP3s can be burned to CD. Music accessed via a Rogers Unlimited Music Plan cannot be burned to CD. CD burning requires Windows XP. Sync songs from Rogers MusicStore available on select phone models."

So, they must have different versions for these fine prints (dealers vs. internet) which wouldn't surprise me... since not having clear instructions is Rogers's way of doing business.

Well, if Rogers Vision is an "application" (as I learned here), there must be a way to install it. I guess the search continues...


Posted by: freddylingling

Right from the Rogers website.

Debranding and unlocking the phone makes the phone not certified to Rogers specs.

See the bolded txt


NEW! Adding Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan* to your voice plan provides:


Unlimited on-device mobile browsing access to your favourite social communities like Facebook & MySpace, news, sports and entertainment sites all on the go for one flat monthly fee!
Access to search the mobile Internet with Yahoo! Search and Google
Access to information sites like Yahoo! Canada, Canada.com, Windows Live, The Weather Network, Lavalife Mobile and more!
Protection against high pay-per-use data charges while surfing the mobile Internet


Start saving on all your mobile Internet browsing with Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing* or pay per use at 5¢/ KB.

Plan or pay per use at 5¢/ KB


Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan
Monthly Fee Includes
$7 Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing*


For a limited time, customers who activate on a Voice Plan and add Vision Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing* on a 3 year term receive Vision Bonuses. Learn more




*Important: This plan includes unlimited on-device mobile browsing only and is only available on select phones (PDAs such as Blackberry or Windows Mobile devices, PC cards and non-Rogers certified devices are not eligible). Data usage incurred on ineligible devices or incurred while tethering (using device as wireless modem for computer) or incurred using non-Rogers (3rd party) applications downloaded to your device will be subject to pay-per-use charges of 5 cents/KB. A 3-year term service agreement is required for Rogers Vision devices.



What is tethering?
This plan does not include any usage incurred while tethering. Tethering is when you use your phone as a wireless modem to connect to the Internet. The phone can be connected via USB cable or Bluetooth. Once connected, you can access the Internet wirelessly on your laptop using the Rogers Wireless network. While accessing the Internet wirelessly on your computer, data charges are incurred at a rate of 5¢/KB.

What are 3rd party applications?
3rd party applications are applications like Yahoo! Go or Google Maps. These are non-Rogers applications which may be downloaded to the device and incur data charges at a rate of 5¢/KB.



SAVE even more with a Value Pack! You can add the Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing* to your Value Pack and save 33%: Learn more


*Available as an add-on to your wireless voice plan. A $6.95 monthly system access fee (non-government fee), a monthly 50¢ 911 Emergency Access Fee (non-government fee) and a one time $35 activation fee apply in addition to the monthly service fees. Local airtime over the allotted monthly minutes in the plan, long distance and roaming charges, any additional service options selected and applicable taxes are extra and are also billed monthly. An Early Cancellation Fee (ECF) applies if, for any reason, your service is terminated prior to the end of the service agreement. The ECF is the greater of (i) $100 or (ii) $20 per month remaining in the service agreement, to a maximum of $400 (plus applicable taxes), and applies for each line in the plan that is terminated. In connection with your wireless data service, a Data Early Cancellation Fee (DECF) also applies if, for any reason, your service is terminated prior to the end of your plan’s commitment term (Data Term). The DECF is the greater of (i) $25 or (ii) $5 per month remaining in the Data Term, to a maximum of $100 (plus applicable taxes), and applies in addition to the ECF for termination of your service agreement. If you subscribe to a plan combining both voice and data services, both the ECF and the DECF apply.
1Offer available with new subscription to any voice plan and Rogers Vision Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan both on a 3 year term. A $100 discount on a Rogers Vision phone (including LG Shine, MOTORAZR2 V9, Samsung A736 LG TU515, or Sony Ericsson K850i) will be applied as a credit to the customer’s first or second invoice.
2In month 13, customers get 50 minutes/month of free local Video Calling for the remainder of the term.


Posted by: freddylingling

I personally have a debranded W810 and W580 and i cant use the mobile net, so it sucks to be anyone of us


Posted by: faibs

Wirelessly posted (¤ Nokia is balls ¤: Opera/9.50 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.0.10406/298; U; en))

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddylingling
Right from the Rogers website.

Debranding and unlocking the phone makes the phone not certified to Rogers specs.

See the bolded txt


NEW! Adding Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan* to your voice plan provides:


Unlimited on-device mobile browsing access to your favourite social communities like Facebook & MySpace, news, sports and entertainment sites all on the go for one flat monthly fee!
Access to search the mobile Internet with Yahoo! Search and Google
Access to information sites like Yahoo! Canada, Canada.com, Windows Live, The Weather Network, Lavalife Mobile and more!
Protection against high pay-per-use data charges while surfing the mobile Internet


Start saving on all your mobile Internet browsing with Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing* or pay per use at 5¢/ KB.

Plan or pay per use at 5¢/ KB


Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan
Monthly Fee Includes
$7 Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing*


For a limited time, customers who activate on a Voice Plan and add Vision Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing* on a 3 year term receive Vision Bonuses. Learn more




*Important: This plan includes unlimited on-device mobile browsing only and is only available on select phones (PDAs such as Blackberry or Windows Mobile devices, PC cards and non-Rogers certified devices are not eligible). Data usage incurred on ineligible devices or incurred while tethering (using device as wireless modem for computer) or incurred using non-Rogers (3rd party) applications downloaded to your device will be subject to pay-per-use charges of 5 cents/KB. A 3-year term service agreement is required for Rogers Vision devices.



What is tethering?
This plan does not include any usage incurred while tethering. Tethering is when you use your phone as a wireless modem to connect to the Internet. The phone can be connected via USB cable or Bluetooth. Once connected, you can access the Internet wirelessly on your laptop using the Rogers Wireless network. While accessing the Internet wirelessly on your computer, data charges are incurred at a rate of 5¢/KB.

What are 3rd party applications?
3rd party applications are applications like Yahoo! Go or Google Maps. These are non-Rogers applications which may be downloaded to the device and incur data charges at a rate of 5¢/KB.



SAVE even more with a Value Pack! You can add the Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing* to your Value Pack and save 33%: Learn more


*Available as an add-on to your wireless voice plan. A $6.95 monthly system access fee (non-government fee), a monthly 50¢ 911 Emergency Access Fee (non-government fee) and a one time $35 activation fee apply in addition to the monthly service fees. Local airtime over the allotted monthly minutes in the plan, long distance and roaming charges, any additional service options selected and applicable taxes are extra and are also billed monthly. An Early Cancellation Fee (ECF) applies if, for any reason, your service is terminated prior to the end of the service agreement. The ECF is the greater of (i) $100 or (ii) $20 per month remaining in the service agreement, to a maximum of $400 (plus applicable taxes), and applies for each line in the plan that is terminated. In connection with your wireless data service, a Data Early Cancellation Fee (DECF) also applies if, for any reason, your service is terminated prior to the end of your plan’s commitment term (Data Term). The DECF is the greater of (i) $25 or (ii) $5 per month remaining in the Data Term, to a maximum of $100 (plus applicable taxes), and applies in addition to the ECF for termination of your service agreement. If you subscribe to a plan combining both voice and data services, both the ECF and the DECF apply.
1Offer available with new subscription to any voice plan and Rogers Vision Unlimited On-Device Mobile Browsing Plan both on a 3 year term. A $100 discount on a Rogers Vision phone (including LG Shine, MOTORAZR2 V9, Samsung A736 LG TU515, or Sony Ericsson K850i) will be applied as a credit to the customer’s first or second invoice.
2In month 13, customers get 50 minutes/month of free local Video Calling for the remainder of the term.


HONESTLY why must all you noobs turn each thread here into a unlimited wap discussion. Seriously, stop already.


Posted by: mobile_ottawa

Quote:
Originally Posted by freddylingling
I personally have a debranded W810 and W580 and i cant use the mobile net, so it sucks to be anyone of us


OK, I get it. So Rogers doesn't make reference to unlocking or debranding but by doing so, the phone becomes a device with different specs.

What do you mean by "can't use the mobile net"? I can access the web (GoRogers settings for wap) with no problem. I called Rogers yesterday to check if the account looks OK (what's the data usage) and the CSR said that there's no problem, I have no "extra data charges" and I'm fine on Vision. I did not mention the story with not being able to access the vision application itself.
I stick to using the stock browser as I read here that MiniOpera might bring you huge bills (data charges).


Posted by: faibs

post that crap in the proper thread please, dont ruin this one


Posted by: mobile_ottawa

Quote:
Originally Posted by faibs
post that crap in the proper thread please, dont ruin this one


faibs, if you care to read, "that crap" has to do with the first post: accessing Vision from an unlocked & debranded K850i. Not everyone is as focused as you are so yes, we went further to see why it's not possible to access this.


Posted by: freddylingling

Mobile ottawa is right, its not thread crapping or whatever, I gave information regarding that in Rogers eyes, once debranded or altered devices it wont be so called allowed


Posted by: infamus.sza

Quote:
Originally Posted by mobile_ottawa
OK, I get it. So Rogers doesn't make reference to unlocking or debranding but by doing so, the phone becomes a device with different specs.

What do you mean by "can't use the mobile net"? I can access the web (GoRogers settings for wap) with no problem. I called Rogers yesterday to check if the account looks OK (what's the data usage) and the CSR said that there's no problem, I have no "extra data charges" and I'm fine on Vision. I did not mention the story with not being able to access the vision application itself.
I stick to using the stock browser as I read here that MiniOpera might bring you huge bills (data charges).

Actually thats not true. I got my bill the other day and i was not charged for using opera mini. The bill showed i used about 15000 kb. I have a rogers k850i and the 7$ plan. By the way i wrote this whole mssg from my phone. :-D




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