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AT&T 8525 or Blackberry 8820? Opinions please.

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Posted by: pointman1

I am choosing between the two and was curious if anyone had opinions on them. Which to get?? Thanks.



Posted by: Jayden0606

bb 8820. At first, I didn't like this device, but after playing with it, the UI is smooth and 2-3 times quicker than wm (stock, no hacking.) I was actually thinking of getting the 8820, but I decided to go with the Curve as it has the same features, but a camera. It's also 100$ cheaper for me, brand new.

The battery drains pretty fast on wm, but then again it's also on 3G, which you may want to conside. Do you want 3G? Is it in your area? Do you want to have to slide the keypad out to text and type all the time? Hard to be discreet with that device.

I hate to sound bias towards the 8820, but it's actually a device I didn't like, which I ended up falling in love with. Only if it had a camera.



Posted by: tenorsaw

This thread is going to be moved soon, but I can tell you that it's all about your needs. Is email very important to you? Will this be used for business or leisure? Are you the type to tweak and modify your phone? Are you OK with two-handed typing? Like Jayden mentioned, the battery goes pretty fast on the 8525. If you can answer those questions, that will determine which phone you should get.



Posted by: pointman1

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Originally Posted by Jayden0606
bb 8820. At first, I didn't like this device, but after playing with it, the UI is smooth and 2-3 times quicker than wm (stock, no hacking.) I was actually thinking of getting the 8820, but I decided to go with the Curve as it has the same features, but a camera. It's also 100$ cheaper for me, brand new.

The battery drains pretty fast on wm, but then again it's also on 3G, which you may want to conside. Do you want 3G? Is it in your area? Do you want to have to slide the keypad out to text and type all the time? Hard to be discreet with that device.

I hate to sound bias towards the 8820, but it's actually a device I didn't like, which I ended up falling in love with. Only if it had a camera.

Thanks for your input! I really appreciate it. I was leaning towards the BB 8820 but for some reason am having a hard time making a concrete decision. 3g, not sure if its available by me, to be honest. But I work in Manhattan so I would think so.

I kind of like the slide out idea of the 8525 and the large screen.



Posted by: pointman1

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Originally Posted by tenorsaw
This thread is going to be moved soon, but I can tell you that it's all about your needs. Is email very important to you? Will this be used for business or leisure? Are you the type to tweak and modify your phone? Are you OK with two-handed typing? Like Jayden mentioned, the battery goes pretty fast on the 8525. If you can answer those questions, that will determine which phone you should get.

Moved? Why did I do something wrong?

Email isn't that important, except sometimes hence why I wanted the wifi. It will be for leisure, but I text alot. I will tweak the phone if its stuff I can do on my own. I always text two handed if possible. Battery life, I'm not too worried about.



Posted by: tenorsaw

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Originally Posted by pointman1
Thanks for your input! I really appreciate it. I was leaning towards the BB 8820 but for some reason am having a hard time making a concrete decision. 3g, not sure if its available by me, to be honest. But I work in Manhattan so I would think so.

I kind of like the slide out idea of the 8525 and the large screen.


3G is definitely available if you are in NYC. The slide out is not cool when you are trying to make a quick call. This is especially true if you are in your car. It sounds like this will be for leisure. If so, go for the 8525 or a Curve, which is more consumer oriented but not as tweakable as the 8525. Just be warned that the 8525 is bulky.



Posted by: tenorsaw

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Originally Posted by pointman1
Moved? Why did I do something wrong?

Email isn't that important, except sometimes hence why I wanted the wifi. It will be for leisure, but I text alot. I will tweak the phone if its stuff I can do on my own. I always text two handed if possible. Battery life, I'm not too worried about.


This was supposed to be posted in the PDA subforum. Based on your answers, go for the 8525 then go to xda-developers site (xda-developers.com).



Posted by: pointman1

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Originally Posted by tenorsaw
3G is definitely available if you are in NYC. The slide out is not cool when you are trying to make a quick call. This is especially true if you are in your car. It sounds like this will be for leisure. If so, go for the 8525 or a Curve, which is more consumer oriented but not as tweakable as the 8525. Just be warned that the 8525 is bulky.

Hmm, I didn't even think of having to slide open every time I wanted to make a call. Bulk is fine, how bad could it be. lol.



Posted by: pointman1

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Originally Posted by tenorsaw
This was supposed to be posted in the PDA subforum. Based on your answers, go for the 8525 then go to xda-developers site (xda-developers.com).

Oh, whoops. Sorry mods.

Thanks! I think thats what I am gonna end up doing!

8525 is the older version of the TILT?



Posted by: Jayden0606

It is the older version. I was thinking of choosing the 8820, but like I said, curve is cheaper and has a camera. The 8310 (with wifi) and not the 8300. The camera isn't too bad.

Also in NYC, there will be lots of wifi, therefore 3G will not be needed. I rather use wifi than 3G, especially if there reception isn't that great indoors, wifi still works for you. Lol.



Posted by: HelloMotoI95CL

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Originally Posted by pointman1
Oh, whoops. Sorry mods.

Thanks! I think thats what I am gonna end up doing!

8525 is the older version of the TILT?


Yes, the 8525 (TOUCH) is the older version of the 8925 (TILT).


And NO, you DO NOT have to slide the keyboard out everytime you want to dial. Some people are mis-informing you. You simply press the send button on the phone then the keypad appears on the touchscreen and you simply touch the numbers you want to dial. Its honestly almost easier than a regular phone b/c the buttons are spaced apart. Not to mention its just like a regular phone, it lists above the keypad on the display your last call and you can simply hit the send button again to redial or use the click wheel to scroll through previous calls (both received and sent).



Posted by: pointman1

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Originally Posted by Jayden0606
It is the older version. I was thinking of choosing the 8820, but like I said, curve is cheaper and has a camera. The 8310 (with wifi) and not the 8300. The camera isn't too bad.

Also in NYC, there will be lots of wifi, therefore 3G will not be needed. I rather use wifi than 3G, especially if there reception isn't that great indoors, wifi still works for you. Lol.


I wanted the Curve, but I was told the BB 8310 has NO wifi???!



Posted by: pointman1

Quote:
Originally Posted by HelloMotoI95CL
Yes, the 8525 (TOUCH) is the older version of the 8925 (TILT).


And NO, you DO NOT have to slide the keyboard out everytime you want to dial. Some people are mis-informing you. You simply press the send button on the phone then the keypad appears on the touchscreen and you simply touch the numbers you want to dial. Its honestly almost easier than a regular phone b/c the buttons are spaced apart.

Oh! Got it. Thanks! I definitely think I am gonna have to get the 8525. I love that its touchscreen as well.



Posted by: Jayden0606

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Originally Posted by pointman1
I wanted the Curve, but I was told the BB 8310 has NO wifi???!



Nevermind I'm sorry. It has GPS. I was getting my friend's t-mobile Curve confused.



Posted by: tenorsaw

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Originally Posted by pointman1
Hmm, I didn't even think of having to slide open every time I wanted to make a call. Bulk is fine, how bad could it be. lol.


It's not the only way to make calls. You can use voice command, which is pretty nice, but if you are trying to call someone that is not in your contact list or voicemail you will have to slide it open. Don't even talk about voicemail when you have to start pressing the option buttons (7 to delete, etc.) while driving. It's bad enough that you shouldn't make a call while driving, but this makes it twice as bad. It used to drive (no pun intended) me nuts.

Honestly, despite its lack of tweaks and hacks, I prefer the Curve. It does what it's supposed to do and does it very well. Battery life is super as well. The only reason I am recommending the 8525 is because of your answers to my questions.

Also keep in mind that you will need a $30 data plan, so that will add to the overall cost.



Posted by: tenorsaw

Quote:
Originally Posted by HelloMotoI95CL
Yes, the 8525 (TOUCH) is the older version of the 8925 (TILT).


And NO, you DO NOT have to slide the keyboard out everytime you want to dial. Some people are mis-informing you. You simply press the send button on the phone then the keypad appears on the touchscreen and you simply touch the numbers you want to dial. Its honestly almost easier than a regular phone b/c the buttons are spaced apart. Not to mention its just like a regular phone, it lists above the keypad on the display your last call and you can simply hit the send button again to redial or use the click wheel to scroll through previous calls (both received and sent).


For me, making a call using your method was like going through a rolodex. Even if the letter window came up, you would have to let go at the right second or else it would skip the letter. Also, if the number you are trying to dial is not that contact's primary number, forget it.

The bottom line is that you will find yourself using your fingers to operate the touchscreen. I guarantee it.



Posted by: petard

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Originally Posted by tenorsaw
For me, making a call using your method was like going through a rolodex. Even if the letter window came up, you would have to let go at the right second or else it would skip the letter. Also, if the number you are trying to dial is not that contact's primary number, forget it.

The bottom line is that you will find yourself using your fingers to operate the touchscreen. I guarantee it.


What the heck are you talking about? Dialing with the touch screen is very easy, pressing the call button brings up a dialer that takes the whole screen! Its extremely easy to dial with one hand, don't listen to this guy, he seems to have something against WM. Dialing someone not in your contact list is easier with the slide closed then open because you use numbers and the numbers are BIG on the screen.



Posted by: pointman1

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Originally Posted by Jayden0606
Nevermind I'm sorry. It has GPS. I was getting my friend's t-mobile Curve confused.

You got my hopes up!!!!



Posted by: pointman1

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Originally Posted by tenorsaw
It's not the only way to make calls. You can use voice command, which is pretty nice, but if you are trying to call someone that is not in your contact list or voicemail you will have to slide it open. Don't even talk about voicemail when you have to start pressing the option buttons (7 to delete, etc.) while driving. It's bad enough that you shouldn't make a call while driving, but this makes it twice as bad. It used to drive (no pun intended) me nuts.

Honestly, despite its lack of tweaks and hacks, I prefer the Curve. It does what it's supposed to do and does it very well. Battery life is super as well. The only reason I am recommending the 8525 is because of your answers to my questions.

Also keep in mind that you will need a $30 data plan, so that will add to the overall cost.

I have an Iphone, so I wouldn't get a data plan for this phone since it is gonna be my second phone. Thats why I wanted wifi for this next choice.



Posted by: pointman1

Basically, I want a phone with wifi. I am gonna by a refurb cause the deals going are really good. The 8525 is cheaper too. I like the Curve, and can get it new for the same price as the 8820, but the Curve doesn't have wifi. And that is a major drawback for me.



Posted by: tenorsaw

Quote:
Originally Posted by petard
What the heck are you talking about? Dialing with the touch screen is very easy, pressing the call button brings up a dialer that takes the whole screen! Its extremely easy to dial with one hand, don't listen to this guy, he seems to have something against WM. Dialing someone not in your contact list is easier with the slide closed then open because you use numbers and the numbers are BIG on the screen.


Don't listen to me? Do you know what YOU talking about? You just advised him to dial with his fingers! What a joke. Unlike an iPhone, the screen on the 8525 was not made for your hands, it was made for the stylus. For someone to use their fingers on the screen is a hassle.

I'm coming from a neutral standpoint. I've owned plenty of devices and I can tell you that the 8525 is powerful, but not for everyone. It is definitely more of an enthusiast/professional device. Almost every person who I have met with this device did NOT know its capabilities (MS exchange, VOIP, etc.).

Pointman, I'm sorry if you are confused at this point with so many opinions going around. Definitely give the 8525 a shot and see if it is for you. I liked it for a little while, but eventually got frustrated with it. It's more of a PDA first and a phone second, so you have to decide which ratio you prefer.



Posted by: pointman1

Thanks Tenorsaw. I am still weighing my options and seeing if a Refurbished phone is safe to buy.



Posted by: Raspy

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Originally Posted by tenorsaw
This was supposed to be posted in the PDA subforum. Based on your answers, go for the 8525 then go to xda-developers site (xda-developers.com).



Oh? Where? In the HTC subforum, so everyone will tell him to get an 8525? Or, in the RIM subforum, so everyone will tell him to get a Blackberry? And then someone will inevitably snap at him, "You're posting in the Blackberry forum and asking us which to get?". Neither of those would be a good choice.

There is not a general PDA subforum, so I would say he posted in the right place.



Posted by: fractured

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raspy
There is not a general PDA subforum

...actually there is.



Posted by: kebuchan

I totally agree with tenorsaw! I have the T-mobile MDA and am in the market for a new phone with GSM 3G so am browsing the AT&T forums for some feedback.

The touch screen on the MDA/8525 etc. are "fun", good for editing (cut&paste), tabs etc. But dialing with the touch screen sucks!! And I mean SUCKS.

If you're driving, you HAVE TO look at the screen because (1) You can't feel the buttons (2) The screen isn't that sensitive so often requires multiple touches. (3) There's not feedback from the virtual keys.

I always use voice dial. Voice dial does work with the BT headset and it also works for numbers that aren't in your phonebook. For instance you can say "Dial four one five five five five one two one two" and it works for the most part. Only problem with that is if there's a lot of noise outside (Had an ambulance go by once screwed it up) or if you've got noisey passengers.

Interestingly though, I have a old Palm Treo 600 (backup phone) and I can dial with that touch screen no problem. So it must he an HTC "feature".

I need a phone with a keypad, way too frustrating with the HTC touch screen for dialing blind. Am thinking about the Pantech duo but from what I hear the build quality sucks.


Kevin



Posted by: tenorsaw

Quote:
Originally Posted by kebuchan
I totally agree with tenorsaw! I have the T-mobile MDA and am in the market for a new phone with GSM 3G so am browsing the AT&T forums for some feedback.

The touch screen on the MDA/8525 etc. are "fun", good for editing (cut&paste), tabs etc. But dialing with the touch screen sucks!! And I mean SUCKS.

If you're driving, you HAVE TO look at the screen because (1) You can't feel the buttons (2) The screen isn't that sensitive so often requires multiple touches. (3) There's not feedback from the virtual keys.

I always use voice dial. Voice dial does work with the BT headset and it also works for numbers that aren't in your phonebook. For instance you can say "Dial four one five five five five one two one two" and it works for the most part. Only problem with that is if there's a lot of noise outside (Had an ambulance go by once screwed it up) or if you've got noisey passengers.

Interestingly though, I have a old Palm Treo 600 (backup phone) and I can dial with that touch screen no problem. So it must he an HTC "feature".

I need a phone with a keypad, way too frustrating with the HTC touch screen for dialing blind. Am thinking about the Pantech duo but from what I hear the build quality sucks.


Kevin


You're lucky you have the MDA. Voice dial does not work over bluetooth with the 8525 (at least not without hacking it) and announcing individual numbers with voice dial did not work for me either.





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