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Reading all this about ZIPhone, am I in trouble?
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Posted by: hart1583

Hey guys, I jailbroke (did not use activate/unlock) via ZIphone. I keep reading all this bad stuff though, but I have NEVER had any problems since I jailbroke. So I have two questions:

1. If I need to do a restore, can I still restore via Itunes?

2. Should I restore and switch to ILiberty+

Posted by: dsigma6

I believe ZiPhone does something to the bootloader and I certainly hope it can be fixed (I've heard otherwise). I'm posting here to get the thread update when someone has some actual answers lol..

edit: Two seconds of thread diving has brought this up:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1354402

Apparently you can use Bootneuter to get back to 4.6, restore to factory state in ZiPhone, and then use iLiberty+...Look into it, I'm just getting into doing this too.

Posted by: jlim

A lot of this "bad" stuff about ziphone come from people who read threads here and elsewhere and just re-stating what they hear.

If I hadn't done a ziphone myself, I too would be warning people about the same thing.

But having used ziphone and now understanding what it does, I'm not too concern since none of the broken wifi and downgrade of the BL affects me at all. Besides, the broken wifi is not solely affecting ziphone users. Other methods suffer the same fate. ziphone got a bulk of the blame, IMO, is because it was the first 1-click solution that a lot of people used and either due to user error or hardware problem, wifi problems exists.

If everything works for you now, don't even try to *undo* it or use another method. Sit tight, wait for the 1.2/2.0 to come out, and let the experts do their thing.

Once the dust settles, a solution will present itself and then you can decide what to do next.

Using a different method now will not give you any advantages over what you have now for 1.1.4. Not especially when everything is working perfectly.

Posted by: signori

I used ziphone on one of my iPhones. Not one problem happened. Wifi, edge, youtube etc all work perfectly. I use iPlus on my other phone no problems either.

Posted by: alphasports

I too have used ziphone several times (versions) on the same phone with no probs whatsoever

Posted by: kevman

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Originally Posted by jlim

Once the dust settles, a solution will present itself and then you can decide what to do next.

BINGO! Exactly what I recommend everyone does.

I did find a solution that I preferred. I used Ziphone and wasnt sure if the downgrade BLwould be a big deal but was feeling a little unsettled. So tried bootneuter and was able to get the BL back to 4.6BL no issues whatsoever. If i wanted to get back to true OTB condition all I need to do is restore and thats it.

Posted by: mknapper1

use pawng its the best and safest way to go

Posted by: cokeman73

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Originally Posted by hart1583

Hey guys, I jailbroke (did not use activate/unlock) via ZIphone. I keep reading all this bad stuff though, but I have NEVER had any problems since I jailbroke. So I have two questions:

1. If I need to do a restore, can I still restore via Itunes?

2. Should I restore and switch to ILiberty+

If all you did was jailbreak you have nothing to worry about. The bootloader was getting downgraded when unlocking the phone. If you decided to unlock then I would say go with iLiberty or pwnage when released for windows, unless you have a mac.

Posted by: JEsTer10

For unlocking Pwnage is the best and safest method.

If you have used ZiPhone and it worked for you, that is great! It has worked well for some users and horribly for others. Consider yourself lucky. And if things are working well then don't mess with them as there is no reason to at this time.

ZiPhone and iLiberty+ both have caused problems for users, but ZiPhone has done this in a greater amount of users and with worse effects. jlim, many users are posting from experience not just from what they read elsewhere. iLiberty+ uses a safer method of doing its thing compared to ZiPhone (1 pass vs 2 pass). This is why I recommend iLiberty+ over ZiPhone because your *chance* of having something go wrong is decreased in using the safer method.

If one chooses to use ziphone after being informed that is up to them. It is very possible they will not encounter any problem at all and I hope they do not. All I try and do is provide none biased information for users to minimize their chances of something going wrong.

To the OP, a restore in iTunes is fine. That will wipe out the jailbreak and you will need to jailbreak it again. It is up to you what you use to jailbreak, the only real problem I've heard with ZiPhone lately is new to version 3.0. Many users in the IRC channel are not getting installer on their device after the jailbreak. Other than that, everything should be fine.

Posted by: raulbe

Since Ziphone was out first and got a lot of press a lot of people who may not know the details are more comfortable using Ziphone, its a psychological thing, they heard of it most and thus they feel safer.

However the details are Ziphone put together a solution developed by other people (without their permission). Now the people who developed the original solution have released iPlus/iLiberty/Pwnage and being the actual coders they keep on improving the code. Ziphone does not have access to these improvements since they are not his to start with and because he took the code without permission most of the iPhone unlock developer group will not co-operate with him. Additionally the author of Ziphone has publicly acknowledged he can't code.

So for end users do you want to use an app from someone who has put it together and is static - Ziphone, or from the people who have developed the actual code and keep on refining and improving it - iPlus/iLiberty/Pwnage? I have used both and while Ziphone worked well for 113, for 114 onwards I would recommend iLiberty/Pwnage because this is being actively developed by a whole group of people - the same people who coded important bits of Ziphone - and will keep on being developed for future versions.

Posted by: jestexman

Am i reading right Iliberty is only for mac right now? buddy of mine just got his phone and is with att and want to keep them but wants to add other apps to his phone. Iliberty should be the way to go when they get it ready for windows?

Posted by: lopezpm

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Originally Posted by hart1583

All you did was jailbreak, your fine. No need to worry. I've done this myself and everything works perfect.

Posted by: jlim

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Originally Posted by raulbe

Additionally the author of Ziphone has publicly acknowledged he can't code.

Are you referring to the IRC chat or IM exchanges between zibri and the other individual? I can't find the link to that exchange now .. but if I recall, the other individual asked zibri what languages (programming) he knows and zibri says he doesn't code much in (insert the language here) and he doesn't consider himself a programmer.

If that's what you are referring to, that's not proof.

If I and you were in a chat room and someone asked me the same questions, you have to take the answers with a grain (or a bushel) of salt.

If you happen to that a link to that exchange, please post it here. Thanks.

Posted by: raulbe

That's remarkable, I would think Zibri's own statement is proof, what else would you think qualifies for proof. There is no ambiguity there, its a simple question and a simple answer. The particular chat is linked in may places and is easy to find on google

Zibri is using code stolen from the dev team for Ziphone. For many people this is not an issue at all, for others it is. To each his own. I am sure when he comes with solutions he has developed on his own he will get credibility. Till that time the fact is the dev team is doing the heavy lifting here, including the bits in Ziphone. Let's not shy from giving credit where its due and get carried away just because someone stole code and got it to you first.

Posted by: cokeman73

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Originally Posted by jestexman

Am i reading right Iliberty is only for mac right now? buddy of mine just got his phone and is with att and want to keep them but wants to add other apps to his phone. Iliberty should be the way to go when they get it ready for windows?

iLiberty is available for windows, it's pwnage thats not available for windows users yet.

Posted by: chinese_fury

I have used Ziphone method on six iphones doing the full jailbreak / unlock / activate & IMEI fake and all the phones are still working perfect. No issues with wifi or youtube. However all of the phones were the older 3.9 B.L. and all were restored F.W. and not updated in iTunes. So maybe that has something to do with it.