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Any phone that is smaller than the Tilt, with the same capabilities?
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Posted by: LB 350Z

I want something smaller, slimmer and that has full capabilities of the Tilt, doesn't necesarily have to have the slide out keyboard.

Any suggestions? I was looking at the new BB 9000, and might have to wait it out for that.

Posted by: Quake97

What Tilt capabilities are most important to you? The Blackjack II has a lot of them, except for wifi and a touch screen. The Treo 750 has a touch screen, but no wifi.

Joe

Posted by: LB 350Z

I like the fact that I can use different software programs to change the little things and settings of the phone. It has to have 3G and I like the overall functionality of the WM o/s. The camera sucks, so a better camera would be a plus.

Posted by: jomo25

HTC Touch Cruise. Its essentially the same exact phone as the Tilt/Kaiser/TyTN II, but without the slide out keyboard, and a more full implementation of the TouchFLO interface. I moved from the TyTN II to the TC and I'll never look back. The size/weight is significantly different. Note that the TC is only available unlocked, so it will be more expensive (probably at least $600 US).

The Touch Dual will also be avail in a US version in about 2 months (my guess). It'll be avail from Best Buys, probably for around 600. It'll be functionally close to the Tilt, but without WiFi and GPS, I think. Size is smaller, and it does have a slide out keyboard, albeit one like the BB Pearl.

If you can wait, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be another option, but it will be out 3Q at the earliest, and probably run for a very substantial price. Its the same form factor as the Tilt, but smaller, with all the same functionality otherwise. It may run as much as $900 tho.

Posted by: jomo25

Edit: The Touch Dual *might* retail for around $400. That's my pure speculation. I realized I typo'd that, I didn't mean $600 for the Dual. But again, it might be.

Posted by: Quake97

Well, any WinMo phone would fit that. The camera in the Blackjack I is excellent, but only 1.3MP. You might want to go to a store and play with the various options.

Joe

Posted by: LB 350Z

i love my tilt, its just huge and heavy. i like the TC and TD those look very promising, however, very expensive.

Posted by: damba98

That's the deal breaker for me anyway.

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Originally Posted by jomo25

The Touch Dual will also be avail in a US version in about 2 months (my guess). It'll be avail from Best Buys, probably for around 600. It'll be functionally close to the Tilt, but without WiFi and GPS, I think. Size is smaller, and it does have a slide out keyboard, albeit one like the BB Pearl.

Posted by: jomo25

I understand that it might be for some people. I don't use WiFi on my TC much at all. I've probably used it 2 times in 8 weeks. It just sucks so much battery. But knowing its there is nice. AT&T 3G speeds are quite good, and being able to use the WiFi as a router is the coolest undocumented (albeit mostly unneeded) "feature". GPS is somethign I do use more. I guess Google's triangulation/estimated location is getting better, but still the real thing is nice.

All that said, if you want to be smaller than a Tilt, and want a real keyboard of some sort, the TD is the best way to go IMO once its avail in the US. The TC is the best option if you can do without a keyboard. Using things like PCM Keyboard has made the keyboard unnecessary for me, thus the TC is perfect for me for now.

Posted by: chix

Perhaps this new phone would be a good alternative?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/17/...e-hits-the-fcc/

Posted by: LB 350Z

Looks pretty cool.. when's it out?

Posted by: Quake97

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Originally Posted by LB 350Z

Looks pretty cool.. when's it out?

April 2012.

Joe

Posted by: LB 350Z

story of all these devices.. wtf is att thinking not having 3g on all their smartphones??

the iphone almost doesn't work at all in my area (2g coverage is scattered, all 3g) and blackberrys, same thing..

i lov my tilt.. but sometimes its hard to used on the road etc..

Posted by: UTVOL06

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Originally Posted by jomo25

HTC Touch Cruise. Its essentially the same exact phone as the Tilt/Kaiser/TyTN II, but without the slide out keyboard, and a more full implementation of the TouchFLO interface. I moved from the TyTN II to the TC and I'll never look back. The size/weight is significantly different. Note that the TC is only available unlocked, so it will be more expensive (probably at least $600 US).

The Touch Dual will also be avail in a US version in about 2 months (my guess). It'll be avail from Best Buys, probably for around 600. It'll be functionally close to the Tilt, but without WiFi and GPS, I think. Size is smaller, and it does have a slide out keyboard, albeit one like the BB Pearl.

If you can wait, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be another option, but it will be out 3Q at the earliest, and probably run for a very substantial price. Its the same form factor as the Tilt, but smaller, with all the same functionality otherwise. It may run as much as $900 tho.

I agree with what you said. Except I love my Tytn II with the full keyboard. I had the HTC touch for a short period on the verizon network and had lousy service at my house and then dumped Verizon for ATT.

The HTC Touch was very nice. It was light weight and fairly solid feeling. I imagine though the HTC Touch Cruis is actually a better built phone from the looks has less flemsy buttons and a larger screen than the touch.

I do a lot of texting so I enjoy the full physical keyboard, but there is an excellent application out called "Spb Full Keyboard" I used on the touch briefly and it works very well. Its a full onscreen QWERTY keyboard. I highly recommend this for the touch or cruise.

I personally would go with the HTC Cruise over the Touch since it looks more solid and has built-in Wifi and GPS. It's essentially a Tilt without the keyboard.

I however am waiting for the new Sony Xperia to come out in Q3. The hardware is all done by HTC. It will have a faster processor with more built-in memory. Slide out keyboard looks awsome.

Posted by: Quatre

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Originally Posted by LB 350Z

I want something smaller, slimmer and that has full capabilities of the Tilt, doesn't necesarily have to have the slide out keyboard.

Any suggestions? I was looking at the new BB 9000, and might have to wait it out for that.

i'm looking for the same thing and i dont know why ppl mentioned to you devices that dont have a touch screen as while you didn't specify that you did say "full capabilities of the tilt" and i would think touch screen would be one of the main things. it is to me at least

and i still want a full qwerty. problem with that is its hard to make a device thin with a slide out keyboard.

the way to go is the slab or bar form factor and there are a few coming out now that are that known form factor like Moto q, sam blackjack but with a touch screen.

i'm looking into the i-mate 8502 which is available but expensive and the HP ipaq 910 which some say is comiing the end of this month (June 30) but i really can't wait till the end of summer or fall for the Xperia (which i will hopefully get then anwyay) i just need something slimmer now but still with qwerty and touch screen.
and cheaper the beter since i have other phones yet to sell and will prob be getting another phone or 2 end of summer'/fall.

the hp 910 is supposed to be cheaper then the expensiev imate 8502 but prices i see so far are aaround the same at least from negrielectronics which also sshow it not available to sept. though

Posted by: p51d007

Anyone wanna bet that unless they chop the price by 2/3, it won't sell?
I thought people were nuts paying 499 for the original iphone, but the economic times are a LOT different.

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Originally Posted by jomo25

If you can wait, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 will be another option, but it will be out 3Q at the earliest, and probably run for a very substantial price. Its the same form factor as the Tilt, but smaller, with all the same functionality otherwise. It may run as much as $900 tho.

Posted by: CarolynC

I have a Cingular (now AT&T) 8525. The idea phone for me would be a thinner version of this phone without the slide-out keyboard, which I don't use.

Posted by: Quatre

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Originally Posted by p51d007

Anyone wanna bet that unless they chop the price by 2/3, it won't sell?
I thought people were nuts paying 499 for the original iphone, but the economic times are a LOT different.

plenty of ppl though are still spending plenty of money on lots of different stuff including phones.

an i-mate Ultimate 8502 just went for $650 one ebay but yeah it regularly sells for over $700.

yes some of these phones may have to cut their subsidized price to compete with the $199 3g iphone but as everyone knows that is the new contract price and with a $30/mo at least data plan. unlocked will be a little bit more and while i still think it will be relatively low and some phones may have to get lower to compete nothing is really changed as far as all that.

Posted by: Quatre

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Originally Posted by CarolynC

I have a Cingular (now AT&T) 8525. The idea phone for me would be a thinner version of this phone without the slide-out keyboard, which I don't use.

thats the best part of the phone is the slide out qwerty but yeah it does make the phone a little thicker. weird that you got a phone like that in the first place if you dont use the keyboard. so you basically never type a text msg, an email, a web address in browser or post to a forum on your phone? and those are just for leisure so I guess no business use either.

so you just want a touch screen phone with no kb? well there are lots of those available and more coming. too many too list and i'm sure youll find them.

this thread is about a phone that is smaller (so i guess thinner being the main dimension) but with the same capabilities of the Tilt the main feature being the full qwerty.

right now really the only way to keep a full qwerty and the phone thin is with a qwerty bar form factor phone (like the moto q and samsung blackjack that ppl are familiar with) but with a touch screen. There are a few but not many and 2 are coming soon with the HP 910 and Velocity 111 but the i-mate 8502 is still better then both of those and has been out.

until they can make phones with the slide out keyboard thinner, the qwerty bar with touch screen segment may hopefully get some more choices cus right now there aren't many and right now its the only way to get a phone with all the capabilities of the Tilt but smaller/thinner as the thread title implies.

the htc touch pro and sony xperia x1 should be a little thiinner but with their slide out kb's i dont imagine them being much thinner then the tilt but should be lighter like the htc touch dual and especially the xperia should be an overall smaller footprint.

Posted by: CeluGeek

I'm ditching my Tilt because it IS a brick. I'm getting a Q Global though, it's thinner and with a better keyboard.

As for the Wi-Fi issue, the last three times I've tried to use Wi-Fi at places (Denny's and Starbucks), I've been unable to connect (weird login pages and such) that I end up turning off Wi-Fi and tethering the Tilt to my laptop using the 3G connection. I'm ready to ditch Wi-Fi too.

Posted by: CarolynC

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Originally Posted by Quatre

But, there are other ways to input with the phone. I frequently use text msg, emails, web surfing etc. but I type with the letter recognizer. I've been using PDAs for about 7 years now, before separate keyboards were common on them, and I've gotten very fast with the letter recognizer. I can go faster with it than the keyboard.

Posted by: Quatre

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Originally Posted by CeluGeek

I'm ditching my Tilt because it IS a brick. I'm getting a Q Global though, it's thinner and with a better keyboard.

As for the Wi-Fi issue, the last three times I've tried to use Wi-Fi at places (Denny's and Starbucks), I've been unable to connect (weird login pages and such) that I end up turning off Wi-Fi and tethering the Tilt to my laptop using the 3G connection. I'm ready to ditch Wi-Fi too.

no touch screen with the Q global and the keyboard is nowhere near as good as the Tilt. it is thinner yes but thats why i mentioned while some upcoming slide out kb models will be a bit thinner and lighter its hard to get them much thinner with a slide out kb, hence the qwerty form factor like the Q but with touch screen and wifi etc.

here is a comparo of 4 of them but the Ubiquio is old and not that good and the HP 910 is not out yet and supposedly a disappointment in a few ways and the samsung i708 is not quad band. That leaves the imate ultimate 8502 which is the winner imo and the velocity 111 which wont be out till end of summer (and i needed something for summer) and still might not be as good as the imate 8502.

as far as wifi, i agree its less useful these days as most places have it password protected but if you were using it at a place where you were supposed to be able to its probably a user error on your part or you didn't get the login info from teh place you were at.

while i agree about wifi be less useful and even at home wehre i have it i often use 3g anwyay cus its almost as fast and if you have unlimited data plan but for many no wif=no sale and even if not its a good feature to have.

i dont think the Q global is going to be a good replacement for a tilt sorry.

Posted by: CeluGeek

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Originally Posted by Quatre

no touch screen with the Q global and the keyboard is nowhere near as good as the Tilt. .

I don't know what you expect in a "good" keyboard. I have both a Tilt and a Q9h and I can tell you, the Q's keyboard is like heaven. The Tilt keyboard is almost a nightmare - smaller keys, no space in between keys and keys that fail to work and have to be pressed a second or third time.

Touch screen is a mere accessory non-essential to me. Portability on the other hand is essential and I frequently find myself out of business hours taking my work phone out instead of my personal phone to avoid carrying the brick. The Tilt is an awesome device on paper but that's it.

Posted by: Quatre

ok but there are a bunch of devices and more coming always with the features of the Tilt and the thinnes and size of the Q9h. The Q with no wifi and no touch screen etc. etc. wont compare to these devices. yes the Q is thinner and lighter then the tilt, thats it. in all other ways it doesn't compare.

I guess you didn't realize that you could have gone thinner and lighter while still retaining al the features of the tilt as the thread implies.

i think I've already given some suggestions to the thread starter and Asus M536 is another as well as upcoming Treo 850.

but the i-mate Ultimate 8502 which has been out for some time while many of the choices wont be out for awhile is prob still the best way to get something thinner then the tilt but with all the same features (touchscreen, wifi etc.) plus adds some that the tilt doesn't have like tv out.

here's a good comparo of the i-mate Ultimate 8502 (April) vs. upcoming touch screen quad band (sorry samsung i708) qwerty bars, HP ipaq 910c (June), Asus M536 (June), Velocity 111 (July), Treo 850 (August)

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...4=1317&id5=1288

Posted by: naplesbill

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Originally Posted by CeluGeek

I just returned a Q9h and replaced it with a Tilt. I agree that the Q has a fantastic keyboard. It's the best portable keyboard I have seen personally. The device is solid but the width (thanks to the great keyboard) is a bit too much. It just never really felt comfortable as a phone against the ear. I also started having some strange reboot issue and I really wasn't up for a repeat of the problems I had with my original Q.

I think the Tilt offers the best features in a form factor that is more than acceptable. I also think it feels good when used as a phone. Besides, I really like the fact that there are so many cooked roms for it.

Posted by: damba98

His (& your) experience surprise me, since I find wifi to be extremely reliable w/ my Tilt. Unless someone is connecting via some crazy proxied corporate wifi or turtle-like DSL, I find it a lot less laggy than any 3G I've tried so far. I have been able to connect to some very weak signals in places I would have otherwise not known there was unsecured wifi

. FWIW, my home broadband setup is Comcast HSI (8 down/1 up) with a Linksys router. I try to avoid PIE and used Opera mini 4.1 on the Tilt.

Yes, I believe many/most of those public places with wifi will now require a password, although it still might show as 'unsecured'. I normally ask at the service counter if there's a required pwd. Even the crappy pizza joint near my work required a pwd for their cruddy DSL/wifi.

-Pedro

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Originally Posted by Quatre

as far as wifi, i agree its less useful these days as most places have it password protected but if you were using it at a place where you were supposed to be able to its probably a user error on your part or you didn't get the login info from teh place you were at.

while i agree about wifi be less useful and even at home wehre i have it i often use 3g anwyay cus its almost as fast and if you have unlimited data plan but for many no wif=no sale and even if not its a good feature to have.

i dont think the Q global is going to be a good replacement for a tilt sorry.

Posted by: T3nn15dud5

so whats the best (size/weight wise) phone that has:

3G
Wi-Fi
GPS
Keyboard
3mp camera or better

Posted by: Quatre

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Originally Posted by damba98

His (& your) experience surprise me, since I find wifi to be extremely reliable w/ my Tilt. Unless someone is connecting via some crazy proxied corporate wifi or turtle-like DSL, I find it a lot less laggy than any 3G I've tried so far. I have been able to connect to some very weak signals in places I would have otherwise not known there was unsecured wifi

yeah no the Tilt's wifi works great and is faster then 3g. I was just saying its not that useful of a feature anymore because 3g is usually fast enough and most places dont have free or at least not unsecured wifi. but like you said many places you can ask for the pwd and wifi is great. dont get me wrong, its still a very important feature that youd rather have then not and why the HTC Touch Dual kind of sucks not having wifi.