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Which Of The 905 Series Is The Best?
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Posted by: Super Chimp

Long time member on the Mobile Review forums but I thought I would ask this on here as well to get the benefit of your experience.

I see Plemix are now offering 4 of the 905 series, though they are still forgetting to mention the Hypersim on some of the entries.

Which of the 905 series are supposed to be the best the P905i, N905i, SO905ics or the SH905i?

By the way is it likely that the Hypersim these phones use will work with UK 3G SIM cards especially O2.

Posted by: murdoc2k

This type of question has been asked numerous times. I think it's getting to a point where I feel it's overly redundant. All their features are relatively the same because they build most of their stuff based on Docomo's specification. What you're looking at are the design of the phone. Honestly, it's up to your preference (whichever you think looks best). The specs of each phone has been compared numerous times on sharp/panasonic forum. You can also visit Docomo's english site for all their specs and compare them. If you want info about unlocking, there's a Inex hypersim thread which you can ask or get info from.

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by murdoc2k

This type of question has been asked numerous times. I think it's getting to a point where I feel it's overly redundant. All their features are relatively the same because they build most of their stuff based on Docomo's specification. What you're looking at are the design of the phone. Honestly, it's up to your preference (whichever you think looks best). The specs of each phone has been compared numerous times on sharp/panasonic forum. You can also visit Docomo's english site for all their specs and compare them. If you want info about unlocking, there's a Inex hypersim thread which you can ask or get info from.

I have done all that & I am particularly interested in the photo quality of these phones, I am aware the SH905i lags in this area, so it's mostly in respect to the other three especially which has the most powerful flash.

Posted by: murdoc2k

They have LED flash and well imho, xeon flash is great but making flash too bright isn't the best thing. The fact is these cameras will never match up to a digital camera made specific for photo taking. They expect you to take pictures that are relatively close range (since they can't really make optical zoom or the phone will start to get too bulky). I have seen phones that actually have optical zoom but it's really rare. Making an over powered flash is bad because it makes pictures and people appear super bright under low light conditions. In some cases, it can cause certain objects (metal objects) to reflect more and it can cause the picture to turn out bad because you'll see this really strong bright spot.

It's actually the best to use as least flash as possible while in low light conditions to preserve quality that's why I personally would use the highest ISO possible without turning on flash (if I have a choice). The flash is there just incase if ISO just couldn't make out anything even when it's set to relatively high.

I considered the camera's mega pixel at first too when I first bought my panasonic, but honestly, I've been using it for a while now and I haven't really found the need to exceed 3 MP yet. 1600 x 1200 resolution is the size of ABOUT 2-3 MP so consider that. Heck that's bigger than a 17" monitor. Ask yourself "do I really need a picture that's bigger than a 17" monitor?"

If you absolutely need the specs and totally love sharp, then I think you should wait for SH906i which is rumored to offer 5.2 MP camera.

Posted by: Sturmtruppen22

F905i is very stable with the hypersim from what ive read

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by murdoc2k

They have LED flash and well imho, xeon flash is great but making flash too bright isn't the best thing. The fact is these cameras will never match up to a digital camera made specific for photo taking. They expect you to take pictures that are relatively close range (since they can't really make optical zoom or the phone will start to get too bulky). I have seen phones that actually have optical zoom but it's really rare. Making an over powered flash is bad because it makes pictures and people appear super bright under low light conditions. In some cases, it can cause certain objects (metal objects) to reflect more and it can cause the picture to turn out bad because you'll see this really strong bright spot.

It's actually the best to use as least flash as possible while in low light conditions to preserve quality that's why I personally would use the highest ISO possible without turning on flash (if I have a choice). The flash is there just incase if ISO just couldn't make out anything even when it's set to relatively high.

I considered the camera's mega pixel at first too when I first bought my panasonic, but honestly, I've been using it for a while now and I haven't really found the need to exceed 3 MP yet. 1600 x 1200 resolution is the size of ABOUT 2-3 MP so consider that. Heck that's bigger than a 17" monitor. Ask yourself "do I really need a picture that's bigger than a 17" monitor?"

If you absolutely need the specs and totally love sharp, then I think you should wait for SH906i which is rumored to offer 5.2 MP camera.

Thanks for all the useful info.

The one area I haven't seen much info on is comparing the camera performance of these Japanese phones to western phones like the Nokia N82, SE K850i & LG Viewty.

I have also read the Hypersim unlock for the P905i is less stable than the N905i, not sure how current that information is & I haven't been able to confirm how stable the SO905iCS Hypersim is.

Posted by: murdoc2k

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Originally Posted by Super Chimp

Unfortunately I'm not rich enough to afford more than 1 phone so I can't really tell you much other than P905i. It really depends on where you live. For me, I live in Canada and I have to say P905 isn't the most stable phone. I think SH905i is the most stable right now. The P905i I think would be the second most stable phone however. No sim hacks have claimed fully unlocking P905i yet. The one I'm using right now which gives me 95% stability (by stability I mean very little amounts of out and at least 1 bar reception) would be Next v6 as I've tested here in Toronto. I've bought a second sim (SIMKJ aka. i-smartsim 2008 :: april 08 edition) and it hasn't worked yet.

Posted by: BMWFilms

I would call it an all around draw. It comes down to design and features eg. mp3 ability of SO905i or microsdhc capacity of P905i, etc.

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by murdoc2k

Thanks again. In the UK we mostly have good 3G reception except for certain areas, I am not sure how this would impact on phone stability.

It's a pity Plemix don't give more details about the actual Hypersims they are using.

Posted by: murdoc2k

That's cause these guys don't know what they're selling. They did confirm later that it was inex hypersim (which is what I expected). It is the most stable one in canada right now but.... it's very pricy. It's $100 on ebay + shipping. I'd rather pay 20 for Next v6 and get only 95% stability. It's not worth paying that much for it.

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by murdoc2k

That's cause these guys don't know what they're selling. They did confirm later that it was inex hypersim (which is what I expected). It is the most stable one in canada right now but.... it's very pricy. It's $100 on ebay + shipping. I'd rather pay 20 for Next v6 and get only 95% stability. It's not worth paying that much for it.

I suppose in their position they have to go for the most stable option as they don't want their customers complaining right left & centre that their phones don't work. In a way that's good news as that means their is more chance of them working in the UK I would have thought.

It's funny about the 905 series as everyone seems to have a favorite amongst them, so far the only one I have discounted is the SH905 because of it's poor camera.

Posted by: 4agze

For camera - SO905iCS
For screen - SH905i

i like P905i, almost getting them, but i don't know how to snap a photo when the screen does not have 180deg swivel, super no for me

N905i, overall good, but thickness, no-no

F905i, no comment... but the 2-way 90deg rotate screen and fingerprint owns all

Why I get SH905i is for the screen (AQUOS), design, LED display and thickness I would stick to SO905iCS but thinking that I will be getting DSLR soon so it's no point. I have tried to play a movie, it was like watching a Full HD screen and it's truly amazing!

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by 4agze

For camera - SO905iCS
For screen - SH905i

i like P905i, almost getting them, but i don't know how to snap a photo when the screen does not have 180deg swivel, super no for me

N905i, overall good, but thickness, no-no

F905i, no comment... but the 2-way 90deg rotate screen and fingerprint owns all

Why I get SH905i is for the screen (AQUOS), design, LED display and thickness I would stick to SO905iCS but thinking that I will be getting DSLR soon so it's no point. I have tried to play a movie, it was like watching a Full HD screen and it's truly amazing!

All good points but as you can see I already have one phone with a poor camera not sure I want to add to that number with the SH905i.

I didn't think that the N905i was supposed to be that much larger than the P905i or that the SO905iCS had that much of a better camera, I thought they were all of a muchness in this area except for the SH905i obviously?

Posted by: murdoc2k

P905i is thin, SH905i is thinner but bigger in terms of length
P905i has a better camera than SH905i
N905i is thicker than P905i but about the same length
N905i has face detection for its camera

Posted by: takumi906

4agze is right about sh905i. i bought my sh905i for the screen to watch movies and for the dolby to listen to music (you WILL notice the difference when headphones are used). we watch movies when waiting for the bus and i listen to music while on campus. the AQUOS screen is absolutely amazing! camera doesnt bother me cause i have 903sh and 904sh

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by murdoc2k

P905i is thin, SH905i is thinner but bigger in terms of length
P905i has a better camera than SH905i
N905i is thicker than P905i but about the same length
N905i has face detection for its camera

In Japan is the SH905i more expensive than the other 905 series handsets as I notice their charging more for it than the other 905 handsets on Plemix?

From my reading the SH905i & N905i are most stable with less 'outs' than the P905i.

Posted by: joshyth

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Originally Posted by Super Chimp

No, it's just the SH905i is the most popular one oversea out of all the 905i series. If you look on ebay, the price have gone down a lot this last couple week, I found one earlier today going for only about 300 at the moment, and it'll end in like 10hr, though i guess the bid will be going up a little bit in the last few hours or so.

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by joshyth

I am surprised at that as it certainly hasn't got the best features.

Anyway another good reason not to get this model is the fact that the following working SX862/TX-W92 will soon be with us.

Posted by: 4agze

We still don't know if SX862 would work in the UK although I doubt it works at most Asian countries. And we still don't know if we can software unlock the 920SH by reflashing Taiwan firmware into it.

Posted by: Darthchilli

Wellll
from my own experience
all using newest INEX sim

1. P905
2. N905
3. F905
4. SO905ics/SO905i
5. SH905i

i find the SH has the weakest reception out of them all, it doesnt hold signal very well

this is canada anyways

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by Darthchilli

Wellll
from my own experience
all using newest INEX sim

1. P905
2. N905
3. F905
4. SO905ics/SO905i
5. SH905i

i find the SH has the weakest reception out of them all, it doesnt hold signal very well

this is canada anyways

From my seller research it seems the P905 & N905 will work in the UK. I think it will be a wise idea to switch them to GSM all the time (anyway no GPRS so what's the point of using 3G) & also use 'self mode' I believe it's called as needed as the signal is not always constant travelling about.

I am still musing over the design, between the N905 & P905 which is considered to have the best keypad, I am pretty large handed so a goodly sized keypad would be appreciated with well spaced & easy to use keys.

Posted by: takumi906

btw they all work in the UK iirc. theres a user that was using his sh905i in the UK and he was using 3G also if i remember correctly. as far as the reception goes, i average 2-3 bars and dont really fall under 1 - 0 unless im at my school. when im at school i usually get OUT but ive been lucky and havent lost reception as of late. to answer your keypad question, the keys are 12mm x 10mm. i personally find the keypad really nice.

Posted by: joshyth

TX-W92 might not work that well too beside for FarEasTone, since it got i mode on it again, which would probably make it unusable for interent, or anything data related things.

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by joshyth

TX-W92 might not work that well too beside for FarEasTone, since it got i mode on it again, which would probably make it unusable for interent, or anything data related things.

Is the HK version then the SX862 likely to be a better bet in this respect then?

takumi906 thanks for the feedback.

Posted by: deasine

Hello, new member. I'm basically a noob at all japanese phones but I'm very much considering the 905 series phones. So far, I have three in mind but I don't really know which one...

1)SO905iCS
2)P905i
3)N905i

In No particular order btw...

I don't have a preference with a camera, and I'm sure they all have pretty decent size. Can anyone snap a few pictures for me to see? (thanks

) Size wise, I don't have an issue, but the N905i seems on a little on the big size. I do want a phone that is stable and all of you said P905i seems to be great. But does anyone know about the SO905iCS? [I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada btw. Nice interface would be great too and I know the N905i has an amazing interface. Are there any screenshots of interfaces of these phones?

I'm sorry I'm requesting so much stuff but I am very curious. =)

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by deasine

Hello, new member. I'm basically a noob at all japanese phones but I'm very much considering the 905 series phones. So far, I have three in mind but I don't really know which one...

1)SO905iCS
2)P905i
3)N905i

In No particular order btw...

I don't have a preference with a camera, and I'm sure they all have pretty decent size. Can anyone snap a few pictures for me to see? (thanks

It does seem to be more difficult to find information on the SO905iCS than the other phones in the 905 series.

Posted by: tongyunguy

one of the main things i am looking for in a phone is camera quality and out of all the 905 series i would think that the N905i is the best with its 5MP and face detection. It also has T9 for text messages. I already got a ipod touch for christmas so my music, movies, and wifi surfing is all set.

Posted by: deasine

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Originally Posted by tongyunguy

one of the main things i am looking for in a phone is camera quality and out of all the 905 series i would think that the N905i is the best with its 5MP and face detection. It also has T9 for text messages. I already got a ipod touch for christmas so my music, movies, and wifi surfing is all set.

Doesn't the SO905iCS have face detection as well? I haven't seen any of the N905i shots but the SO905iCS does producce some amazing pictures.

The only issue I have is that it doesn't have bluetooth X_X"

Posted by: tongyunguy

I think the SO905iCS is way too big, i saw the comparison pics of that and the N95, which i already have, and its a little bigger. Also I'd want to buy my first clamshell phone

Posted by: Darthchilli

the SO905ics maybe chunky, but its amazing
Camera features wise, the cybershot has the most..the smile shutter is one of them for those candid or group shots.

what other info do u guys need for SO905ics.im currently using one

Posted by: Sturmtruppen22

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Originally Posted by Darthchilli

the SO905ics maybe chunky, but its amazing
Camera features wise, the cybershot has the most..the smile shutter is one of them for those candid or group shots.

what other info do u guys need for SO905ics.im currently using one

sample shots and close up pics wud be nice

Posted by: marktang

i want to know if u can use a memory card larger than 2GB on the SO905iCS.

Posted by: joshyth

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Originally Posted by marktang

i want to know if u can use a memory card larger than 2GB on the SO905iCS.

no, it's the same as the so905i, the 2GB card is the highest you can go.

Why can't sony use the m2 memory card in japan too, so i can use my 8gb m2 instead of getting a new 2gb microsd.

Posted by: deasine

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Originally Posted by Darthchilli

I would like to know a lot of information actually. It's best to see it in a review format as there aren't many reviews of this phone. I heard the interface of this phone is pretty good compared to the other phones, but not as nice as the N905i of course.

Anyway my main question is how is the stability of the phone? And what is ur simhack or other thing that unlocks ur phone?

Now on to less important features, how is the speaker quality? Can you use mp3 ringtones?

I'm sorry I'm pestering you with questions. I'm just a jap phone noob. I would love to see a proper review of this phone like the ones from gsmarena.

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Originally Posted by joshyth

no, it's the same as the so905i, the 2GB card is the highest you can go.

Why can't sony use the m2 memory card in japan too, so i can use my 8gb m2 instead of getting a new 2gb microsd.

I would say the answer to that is because of the operating system: Symbian. I figured that only Sony Ericsson Java Platforms can read their own memory cards. Symbian under MOAP format as well as Windows Mobile can only read SD cards [notice X1 uses MicroSD, not M2].

Posted by: joshyth

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Originally Posted by deasine

no, it doesn't have anything to do with their os. If that's the reason, why the UIQ (Symbian based OS) based SE phone use M2 instead of microsd.

Posted by: deasine

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Originally Posted by joshyth

no, it doesn't have anything to do with their os. If that's the reason, why the UIQ (Symbian based OS) based SE phone use M2 instead of microsd.

UIQ was originally owned by Sony Ericsson up until recently, when Sony Ericsson sold half their UIQ shares to Motorola, in which their phones support MicroSD.

Now another reason is because NTTDoCoMo has stringent guidelines for their phone manufacturers [and I'm pretty sure that's the case], perhaps one of them must be all phones using MicroSD?

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by Darthchilli

I had heard that it's UI & screen weren't as good as the other phones in the 905 series & that's what put me off it.

I also heard that it's picture quality is little better than the K850i.

So I would be interested to see some sample photos taken by the SO905iCS.

Posted by: AL9999

They went down the microSD road because of marketing reasons... everyone else was using microSD while they alone were sticking with M2. It was probably keeping people from wanting to change to SO phones because memory cards aren't bundled in Japan phone retail kits and even if they were, people would have a hard time moving their DRM-encrypted content over to it. That's probably why they've abandoned M2.

Now if SEMC worldwide would do the same thing, it would be even better.

Posted by: joshyth

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Originally Posted by AL9999

They went down the microSD road because of marketing reasons... everyone else was using microSD while they alone were sticking with M2. It was probably keeping people from wanting to change to SO phones because memory cards aren't bundled in Japan phone retail kits and even if they were, people would have a hard time moving their DRM-encrypted content over to it. That's probably why they've abandoned M2.

Now if SEMC worldwide would do the same thing, it would be even better.

Don't K850i got microSD (or is is miniSD) in it?

Posted by: deasine

Yup yup! Sony Ericsson will be slowly phasing MicroSD into selected phones... perhaps Cybershot flagships.

Posted by: Super Chimp

Can any SO905iCs owners comment on the screen & picture quality of these phones & what their UI is like?

I am quite keen to hear this.

Posted by: plemix.com

@Super Chimp,

I actually did a little photo test and some brief user review in the SE forum. (At first I don't know all Japanese phones should come here) Here is the link that you can have more information on the phone.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...05&page=2&pp=15

Cheers

Posted by: Super Chimp

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Originally Posted by plemix.com

@Super Chimp,

I actually did a little photo test and some brief user review in the SE forum. (At first I don't know all Japanese phones should come here) Here is the link that you can have more information on the phone.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...05&page=2&pp=15

Cheers

Thanks for that. Because it's Japanese phone I didn't think to look in the general SE section on here.