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Posted by: riel

I will cover the following topics:

1) How to "break-in" your new Japanese phone + SIM hack
2) How to "revive" or do "CPR" to your phone if it loses the signal and fails to reconnect
3) What to do when travelling in areas with poor reception

How to "break-in" your new Japanese phone + SIM hack

When you first receive your SIM hack, attach it to your SIM card and place it into your NON-Japanese phone. Use it for two to three days, and make / receive calls occasionally, as well as text messages.

After two to three days, place the SIM + SIM hack into your new Japanese phone and use it normally.

This step will help your SIM hack work properly with your new phone. Your Japanese phone + SIM hack is now considered "broken-in".


How to "revive" or do "CPR" to your phone if it loses the signal and fails to reconnect

1) If your Japanese phone loses the signal and does not reconnect, then take the SIM + SIM hack out, and place it inside your non-Japanese phone.
2) If your phone is able to get a signal, make a call but it doesn't matter how long you talk for. Just as long as it rings on the other end of the line. If your phone does NOT get a signal, that means you are in an area with poor reception, and this solution will not help.
4) Take SIM + SIM hack and put it back into your Japanese phone.
5) Your signal should be "revived".


What to do when travelling in areas with poor reception

1) Find the "Self Mode" function under Settings, and turn it ON as soon as you lose signal, or am about to.
2) Self Mode is identical to Airplane Mode found in most phones. Connections to and from your phone are disabled.
3) When you leave the area with poor reception, turn Self mode OFF. After a few minutes, your phone will be able to regain its signal.
4) If your phone fails to reconnect, perform "CPR."

Through testing with my PSS-SIM and SH905i, I have found that you need approximately 30 minutes of signal before turning on Self Mode for this to work. I kept my phone on for the whole night, then turned on Self Mode for 3 hours in the office. I then went out for lunch, and turned off Self Mode for 15 minutes. Made a call and sent a text message during that period. Turned Self Mode back on for 4 hours. When I left the office, I turned off Self Mode but was unable to pick up a signal.

Different SIM hacks might yield different results.

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I will be expanding and updating this Guide that is geared towards new users. If you have any ideas or material that I could use here, I will add or link it and give you credit. I need material that will help new users in general, and not for specific phones though.



Posted by: The0ry

Thanks for posting up this thread Riel =D.

Cleared some of my questions when I get my Japanese phone.

Thanks again :].



Posted by: Super Chimp

Thanks for that. It's really useful for someone like me that's new to all this.



Posted by: joshyth

ok, this question might sound stupid, but is there any sim hack that doesn't require CPR at all. At first it was just my P905i, and then today my SO905i decided to lose it signal too -_- so i have to take out my N76 that I haven't used for month out again today and do CPR for the sim hack in my SO905i too.



Posted by: 4agze

Very good guide!

At first when i received my SH905i c/w simhack, i use the break-in method. Put in sim+simhack, make call in and out, sms in and out, all ok. Then change to SH905i and it works both way. YAY... But reception is terrible

Next day, bring out SH905i to work, completely signal out on train at SH905i, work phone full bar... zzz... reach station, SH905i never pick up signal, reboot SH905i and gain back signal. Moving to underground, no signal too, reach station and no pick signal again, reboot and gain back signal.

Decided to use other phone for CPRing, moving train no problem with signal. underground no signal but manage to picks back signal. Test call in and out, sms in and out no problems. Hooray...

reached home, then transfer to back SH905i. Got in, showing signal out WTF! CPR again at other phone, call in and out ok, transfer back to SH905i, keep rebooting, OMG! Then leave it till tomorrow. CPRing, call in and out ok, transfer to SH905i, manage to get in, but signal out until now...

And Im thinking to sell my SH905i now. I don't mind CPRing or reboot phone, but hate about all these unstable issues.

Maybe I should try 2-3 days like riel did. I'll write the results later.



Posted by: riel

I'm thinking of adding in a section that shows which SIM hacks work with which phone and carrier. If anyone can get on that, I'll expand the guide.

The section will be updated frequently, as soon as a new SIM hack is tested. It will take place in the first post, so new users will only have to look at there to get information. Credit will be given to testers.



Posted by: shungo

thats a good idea man it helps out other people a lot



Posted by: Super Chimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by riel
I'm thinking of adding in a section that shows which SIM hacks work with which phone and carrier. If anyone can get on that, I'll expand the guide.

The section will be updated frequently, as soon as a new SIM hack is tested. It will take place in the first post, so new users will only have to look at there to get information. Credit will be given to testers.


Good idea but it seems to be pretty impossible to find information for European carriers. All the stuff I have seen is mostly for Asia & North America all of no use to me over in the UK.



Posted by: murdoc2k

Quote:
Originally Posted by riel
I'm thinking of adding in a section that shows which SIM hacks work with which phone and carrier. If anyone can get on that, I'll expand the guide.

The section will be updated frequently, as soon as a new SIM hack is tested. It will take place in the first post, so new users will only have to look at there to get information. Credit will be given to testers.


Hmm. well I guess you can do that and the start a thread for every phone lol.. But what we're relying on here are the users of this forum. No one wants to be the lab rat =/



Posted by: aw614

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Chimp
Good idea but it seems to be pretty impossible to find information for European carriers. All the stuff I have seen is mostly for Asia & North America all of no use to me over in the UK.

i know voda uk worked with pss sim on sh905i



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by murdoc2k
Hmm. well I guess you can do that and the start a thread for every phone lol.. But what we're relying on here are the users of this forum. No one wants to be the lab rat =/


It would be a pretty big task, but I hope somebody has time on their hands can do it over the summer. The information is all there, just gotta read through it.

No one needs to buy anything to try out new SIM hacks unless they want to. Just looking through the existing threads are good enough.

Format could be like so:
Phone: ______
SIM's / SIM hack: SIM A / SIM hack X, SIM B / SIM hack P



Posted by: Super Chimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by aw614
i know voda uk worked with pss sim on sh905i


The only thing I had seen on this issue was someone claiming on another mobile forum to be using a P905i on Voda in the UK but I am not 100% on the Hypersim, it may have been an INEX one.



Posted by: TomasuT

Doesn't this seem like too much for phones that you are buying at full retail price? I like Keitai's too but jeez. Has anyone tried contacting DoCoMo to get info on actually fully unlocking the phones? Keitai manufacturers are dropping like flies in Japan and DoCoMo has recently expressed a desire to make it easier for Japanese companies to sell abroad. You would think they would be happy to sell to people willing to pay full retail price.



Posted by: 4agze

Super_Chimp, I'm in London. SH905i + iNEX Hypersim doesn't work with vodafone, if you have old vodafone simcard that might work because I have the new one. O2 new simcard works. Not sure about other carriers tho. But based on my seller all network is working except Vodafone but that was being tested with iNEX Hypersim, not sure about other simhack i.e. PSS-SIM.


Riel, I hope this information would be sufficient:
Keitai: SH905i
Simhack: iNEX Hypersim
CPR Phone: Motorola L6 Europe unlocked
Location: London, UK
Network (Work and tested by me): O2
Network (Claimed to work by seller): Vodafone (Old simcard might work but not the latest one as informed. Don't take risk if you don't plan to change carriers), O2, Orange, BT, Virgin, *whatelse* ?
Network (Not work and tested by me): Vodafone

Status: Took out simhack reposition with simcard put into CPR.P First day of usage: Call in and out OK!

What I found out, try reboot only if your in no network coverage. But before rebooting make sure your at good network coverage! *At least it works for me



Posted by: Super Chimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4agze
Super_Chimp, I'm in London. SH905i + iNEX Hypersim doesn't work with vodafone, if you have old vodafone simcard that might work because I have the new one. O2 new simcard works. Not sure about other carriers tho. But based on my seller all network is working except Vodafone but that was being tested with iNEX Hypersim, not sure about other simhack i.e. PSS-SIM.


Riel, I hope this information would be sufficient:
Keitai: SH905i
Simhack: iNEX Hypersim
CPR Phone: Motorola L6 Europe unlocked
Location: London, UK
Network (Work and tested by me): O2
Network (Claimed to work by seller): Vodafone (Old simcard might work but not the latest one as informed. Don't take risk if you don't plan to change carriers), O2, Orange, BT, Virgin, *whatelse* ?
Network (Not work and tested by me): Vodafone

Status: Took out simhack reposition with simcard put into CPR.P First day of usage: Call in and out OK!

What I found out, try reboot only if your in no network coverage. But before rebooting make sure your at good network coverage! *At least it works for me



Thanks for that excellent feedback.

The SIM I am aiming to use is an O2 PAYG 3G SIM that's about 18 months old if that.

If I am going to spend good money on a Keitai it's good to hear of a particular model working on the network I am aiming to use, so thanks again.



Posted by: aw614

I guess martin had an old vodafone sim card b/c his worked with inex128 and his sh905i



Posted by: murdoc2k

Quote:
Originally Posted by TomasuT
Doesn't this seem like too much for phones that you are buying at full retail price? I like Keitai's too but jeez. Has anyone tried contacting DoCoMo to get info on actually fully unlocking the phones? Keitai manufacturers are dropping like flies in Japan and DoCoMo has recently expressed a desire to make it easier for Japanese companies to sell abroad. You would think they would be happy to sell to people willing to pay full retail price.


I highly doubt it. It's been discussed before that Manufactures just don't find the need to expand to oversea markets (even though Docomo would appreciate its manufactures spreading phones tailored for docomo to be used overseas). Another thing is these phones are made for Docomo, so they don't want you to unlock it. They wireless companies have the most say in what their phone specifications are like and they wouldn't want you unlocking and changing providers now would they?



Posted by: bottlecap

Dude, Riel, how the hell do you know all this? I am seriously in Awe of it.



Posted by: joshyth

Quote:
Originally Posted by murdoc2k
I highly doubt it. It's been discussed before that Manufactures just don't find the need to expand to oversea markets (even though Docomo would appreciate its manufactures spreading phones tailored for docomo to be used overseas). Another thing is these phones are made for Docomo, so they don't want you to unlock it. They wireless companies have the most say in what their phone specifications are like and they wouldn't want you unlocking and changing providers now would they?


Well, it's not really that the manufactures don't want to expand their market, it's just that the phone company have to be willing to use the i-mode service that are developed by Docomo on their network. For example, there are few cool keitais on FarEastone in taiwan, and they also are using the i-mode service by Docomo. By having more company using i-mode, Docomo will be making more profit, thus allowing more of their phone to be sell oversea on other network.



Posted by: murdoc2k

Quote:
Originally Posted by joshyth
Well, it's not really that the manufactures don't want to expand their market, it's just that the phone company have to be willing to use the i-mode service that are developed by Docomo on their network. For example, there are few cool keitais on FarEastone in taiwan, and they also are using the i-mode service by Docomo. By having more company using i-mode, Docomo will be making more profit, thus allowing more of their phone to be sell oversea on other network.


ic... I doubt north america would like to do that because that would mean they need to spend a large sum of money just promoting those phones and hopefully people would buy into it so that they can fund i-mode and since people are still really fascinated by how small and light their phones are, Jap phones just aren't for the norm. For Canada, cool phones is defined by it's ability to text and go online (eg: Blackburry) which is geared towards the corporate crowd. It's a mono block so it doesn't take up much space and it's not as thick. Jap phones aren't useful because there aren't enough Japanese people coming over and they don't have a solid T9 thing as a norm. People here are also very money conscious so with data plans this high, it's very non-profitable using Internet as selling point unless your company is willing to pay for it.



Posted by: aw614

Quote:
Originally Posted by murdoc2k
ic... I doubt north america would like to do that because that would mean they need to spend a large sum of money just promoting those phones and hopefully people would buy into it so that they can fund i-mode and since people are still really fascinated by how small and light their phones are, Jap phones just aren't for the norm. For Canada, cool phones is defined by it's ability to text and go online (eg: Blackburry) which is geared towards the corporate crowd. It's a mono block so it doesn't take up much space and it's not as thick. Jap phones aren't useful because there aren't enough Japanese people coming over and they don't have a solid T9 thing as a norm. People here are also very money conscious so with data plans this high, it's very non-profitable using Internet as selling point unless your company is willing to pay for it.

older gsm phones from nec, panasonic, and sharp had T9, etc that all regular phones have.



Posted by: riel

Quote:
Originally Posted by bottlecap
Dude, Riel, how the hell do you know all this? I am seriously in Awe of it.


I just read and ask a lot of questions. Then I put all the information together.



Posted by: joshyth

Quote:
Originally Posted by murdoc2k
ic... I doubt north america would like to do that because that would mean they need to spend a large sum of money just promoting those phones and hopefully people would buy into it so that they can fund i-mode and since people are still really fascinated by how small and light their phones are, Jap phones just aren't for the norm. For Canada, cool phones is defined by it's ability to text and go online (eg: Blackburry) which is geared towards the corporate crowd. It's a mono block so it doesn't take up much space and it's not as thick. Jap phones aren't useful because there aren't enough Japanese people coming over and they don't have a solid T9 thing as a norm. People here are also very money conscious so with data plans this high, it's very non-profitable using Internet as selling point unless your company is willing to pay for it.


i just really get the point of why phone company in the US, Canada, or most of the countries in Europe have to charge so much for data service. Just take a look at what they charge in Japan, HK, or Taiwan. It's like we are paying 3 or 4 times more of what they pay over there. The same thing could be said about the broadband service too, i know that i could get 100Mbps service for around US$30 in HK, but i have to paid like $50 every month just for a 20 Mbps service.



Posted by: ryoaska1

Not sure, but I think part of the reason they pay less in places like japan for data ( and for things like canceling contracts) is because they make so much more money on services than in places like the us/canada. Cell phones were broadly mainstream so much earlier than over here that they have all kinds of infrastructure in place for services that generate money for everyone involved which includes carriers. Those are also smaller areas, so it's easier to put that infrastructure in place. We're not even close over here...haha. I'm sure there are other reasons too.



Posted by: joshyth

Quote:
Originally Posted by ryoaska1
Not sure, but I think part of the reason they pay less in places like japan for data ( and for things like canceling contracts) is because they make so much more money on services than in places like the us/canada. Cell phones were broadly mainstream so much earlier than over here that they have all kinds of infrastructure in place for services that generate money for everyone involved which includes carriers. Those are also smaller areas, so it's easier to put that infrastructure in place. We're not even close over here...haha. I'm sure there are other reasons too.


yeah, like the phone carriers is trying to mike as much money as they can get out of their subscribers. Just look at the iphone data plan for att, it cost $20 (and then $30 for the 3G version) just for the basic internet service.



Posted by: alicelc

Informative guide Riel. Thank you
This should prepare me when I decide to purchase a Japanese cell.
So tempted to buy a P905i....



Posted by: Tabris

I'm on the edge of buying a P905i at the moment.

I just lost my N91 on holiday in Japan and I really grew a liking for Japanese phones whilst I was over there. However, I need to get a new contract with a UK provider, so it's just finding a company with decent 3G covereage (although I believe the FOMA 905i series works with GSM? Better 3G coverage would be nice, just out of principle, I understand that most features are gimped outside of Japan) and getting a good deal out of things.

Anyone have any experience with providers other than O2 and Voda?



Posted by: Tabris

Okay, make that either a SH905i or a P905i.

I can't quite decide yet, or I'll just get something standard like an N82.



Posted by: IonNuke

Hahaha~~~ The N82 is really fun too.





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