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Posted by: tiltlover

My Tilt has a built-in GPS. Has anyone had success with any aftermarket software to use with it? I purchased one brand which came on a 4GB microSD. It seemed to work well, but then suddeny disappeared from my Tilt, and could not be reinstalled. I have had three weeks of aggravation dealing with the support for this software, sent the 4GB microSD back at their request, but have not received a replacement, although the USPS tracking notes delivery to them on 4/23/08. My experience has been so negative I would be willing to pay for another software, and so I am posting this thread. Any suggestions?

Posted by: Hierophant

I have used both TomTom and Garmin and both seem to work well.

Posted by: RogerPodacter

garmin is my favorite.

Posted by: ilvla2

I'm using TomTom, Google Maps, Windows Live Search and VisualGPSce and all work great on my Tilt.

Posted by: dj7675

Not a navigation program, but a fun one nonetheless...intelligolf. GPS for golf (yardages to green/hazaards etc). Very fun and works well.

DD

Posted by: tiltlover

Thanks for your replies. Have any of you used OnCourse Navigator 6?

Posted by: arogers

Windows Live Search is just a website while the others are actual programs, right?

Posted by: Maaz

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Originally Posted by arogers

Windows Live Search is just a website while the others are actual programs, right?

Windows Live Search is a program too.

http://mobile.search.live.com/clien...oad_manual.aspx

Posted by: PointZero

iGo My Way, TomTom, Garmin, Pocket Streets, all tested and working on the Tilt. Plus the aforementioned above.

Posted by: Quake97

No one mentioned Telenav, so I will. Works great on the Tilt. Nav4All is another GPS solution that's completely free. It has its limitations, but it works nonetheless.

Joe

Posted by: harleyxlc

I use Mapopolis (no longer around) and iGuidance just fine. Google Maps and Live Search are good and free.

Posted by: chix

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Originally Posted by Quake97

No one mentioned Telenav, so I will. Works great on the Tilt. Nav4All is another GPS solution that's completely free. It has its limitations, but it works nonetheless.

Joe

Telenav is horrible. They charge $10 per month and is worse than the free services such as Google Maps & Windows Live Search.

Posted by: Huey

Neither Google Maps nor Live search offer spoken street directions. And the real traffic alerts and re-routing features of both are not nearly as good as AT&T Nav (aka TeleNav).

I use AT&T Nav a lot, and think it is well worth the $10/month.

Posted by: CA

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Originally Posted by tiltlover

Thanks for your replies. Have any of you used OnCourse Navigator 6?

Yes, not so good!

MapQuest Navigator 5.0. Try for free! Best traffic and gas prices of the bunch.

http://wireless.mapquest.com/mapque...or.html#handset

I'm also trying ALK's CoPilot.

Posted by: ilvla2

I wish someone would come up with a GPS program that does traffic, accident, construction and other incident updates outside of major cities. I live in a rural area and travel in mostly rural areas and smaller cities and towns, and these traffic programs are little good outside of big cities, one that could link into the CHP (who has live incident updates on the web) and Caltrans would be great!

Posted by: CA

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Originally Posted by ilvla2

I wish someone would come up with a GPS program that does traffic, accident, construction and other incident updates outside of major cities. I live in a rural area and travel in mostly rural areas and smaller cities and towns, and these traffic programs are little good outside of big cities, one that could link into the CHP (who has live incident updates on the web) and Caltrans would be great!

Me too. I think you ll find that any application that gets it's traffic data from INRIX will be better than the rest, and yes, that includes Google and Yahoo. They cover 100% of US interstates(updated just ~20 days ago)! If you go to their site you can get a free 30 day trial of their application. Be careful though, the trial just lets you set one area for the trial.

INRIX uses several sources for data and in time may do what you want, but until your State installs under road sensors your kinda stuck.

Posted by: CA

ilvla2, check the nearest city they may use Caltrans! If you want to do a quick check find your area in MapQuest and hit traffic. MapQuest is the only company using 100% INRIX data.

Posted by: ilvla2

Cool, thanks Sonix! I downloaded MapQuest Navigator, and got the 1-year/7-Day Trial for 49 bucks, I will try it out this week and let ya know how it goes. i'm going down to the Bay Area for a few days this week on work.

Edit-Does INRIX do highways too? I use a lot of county roads and state highways to get to places up here too.

Edit2-I see they cover Santa Rosa, they're the nearest city over 100,000 to me (70 miles south). There are no Interstates up here, just Highways, though 101 is technically an interstate because it runs from Mexico to Canada, but is labeled US Highway 101.

Posted by: ilvla2

Wow, I'm impressed with the towns they cover in California, several non-major cities like Visalia!

Sacramento
San Francisco
San Jose
Santa Rosa
Stockton
Fresno
Bakersfield
Visalia
Vallejo
Los Angeles
San Diego
Modesto
Salinas

Edit-

The "Interstate" through here, US Highway 101. It is the main north south route-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_101
I'm about 1000 feet from it.

The main east-west route through here, CA Highway 20

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_20

I live in Redwood Valley, about 2 miles north of the Hwy.101/Hwy.20 interchange.

Other roads I use a lot-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_99

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_80

Posted by: chix

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Originally Posted by Huey

Neither Google Maps nor Live search offer spoken street directions. And the real traffic alerts and re-routing features of both are not nearly as good as AT&T Nav (aka TeleNav).

I use AT&T Nav a lot, and think it is well worth the $10/month.

Telenav does not update their street maps often enough. I can't tell you how many times I got lost using Telenav - Then tried the same route on Google maps and GM was on the money.

It's a trade off.... It you have to have spoken directions, go ahead and waste your $10 per month on Telenav.

If you want accurate directions, plus traffic alerts (yes Telenav has it but it is not updated as frequently as the free services), go with the free services such as Windows Live Search or Google Maps.

Windows Live Search just recently expanded their traffic options to add many more locations such as major (non interstate) routes.

Windows Live Search also re-routes you if you deviate from the suggested routing (if you get lost) - just like Telenav does.

Again, if you can do without spoken directions, use Windows Live Search - Overall it is better and FREE!

Posted by: CA

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Originally Posted by chix

I can't tell you how many times I got lost using Telenav - Then tried the same route on Google maps and GM was on the mone

Out of curiosity how are you getting lost with Telnav? Is it finding an address and when you get there it is wrong?

Posted by: jglev

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Originally Posted by Sonix

Yes, not so good!

MapQuest Navigator 5.0. Try for free! Best traffic and gas prices of the bunch.

http://wireless.mapquest.com/mapque...or.html#handset

I'm also trying ALK's CoPilot.

MapQuest Navigator looks interesting. A question for the people who are trying it: how do you like it so far? Is this a java app or is it a Windows Mobile native app?

Thanks,

Posted by: CA

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Originally Posted by jglev

MapQuest Navigator looks interesting. A question for the people who are trying it: how do you like it so far? Is this a java app or is it a Windows Mobile native app?

Thanks,

Its both, but my phone is a WM so that's what I got for the free trial and 5 bucks/month if you don't cancel.

I think there is some confusion here so I'll try to make things clear. There are two, now three types of mapping applications.

1. Google maps: GM appears on your phone as it does on your PC.

2. Personal Navigation Device(PND's) on the other hand have the map data locally, but they display it in a heads up fashion like TomTom.

3. MapQuestMobile: Presents itself as a PND on your phone, but downloads your route and is used locally like with a PND, but fences the data download. Meaning it only downloads the roads on the route and about 1/2 mile on either side. In turn used for traffic re-routes.

4. The Dash: Is a new device that is functions like a PND, but using WIFI and GPRS keeps refreshing the map data, POI's, and Traffic. Even better but too much to get into here.

3. and 4. Have better Traffic(INRIX) and gas prices because they use better services to supply them.

4. The dash is unproven and there have been reports that it's mapping engine needs some work, witch it will get via WIFI and GPRS.

Posted by: jglev

I have a WM phone, so I am glad to hear they have a WM native application. Thanks for the information. I just might have to give them a try.

Posted by: Huey

Saw this yesterday:

http://deblor-freewareppc.blogspot....motion-v10.html

Might be fun - I can't try the custom maps yet as I don't have a Winbox near me now.

Posted by: chix

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Originally Posted by Sonix

Out of curiosity how are you getting lost with Telnav? Is it finding an address and when you get there it is wrong?

Entering an address or POI, following it's directions and having it mislead to a totally different address.

Each time I contacted Telenav and their response was noted, we'll update our database and in about 90 days it will be corrected.

Meanwhile WLS or Google Maps got me to the same locations with no confusion (and they are free services vs. Telenav being a paid service!).

Posted by: CA

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Originally Posted by chix

I think what you are describing is either user error or routing engine error. Updating the maps is a wild card, roads don't change that often. I don't use Telnav, but it's difficult to believe their engine is bad, especially in the last few years.

Can you post a street location as you entered it and got lost, I'm in the courier business, so as you can imagine it interests me. However whenever a driver gets *lost* using a device he/she doesn't understand how the device/application uses it's drill down aka lookup.

Btw, POIs are frequently off(but close) because they sometimes can't be gecoded because they are outside the of addressable fences.

You are correct in that Google, Yahoo, and MS live can geolocate an address better, they use a comparatively powerful connected server to do it, but at a tradeoff...needed connectivity. You also lose UI function(elegance).

Posted by: REAL

what the best for navigation

Posted by: tiltlover

Based on your replies, as well as past excellent experience with their marine mapping (Chart Navigator Pro) I purchased Mapquest's Navigator, and like it so far. It is presently on sale at half price for a year. I am finally getting my 4gb microSD back from OnCourseNavigator 6, after threatening legal action. My net loss from them is over $100, minus a blank 4GB MicroSD. They have now issued a warning on their support web service, recommending backup onto your computer. Better late than never!

Posted by: CA

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Originally Posted by tiltlover

Based on your replies, as well as past excellent experience with their marine mapping (Chart Navigator Pro) I purchased Mapquest's Navigator, and like it so far. It is presently on sale at half price for a year. I am finally getting my 4gb microSD back from OnCourseNavigator 6, after threatening legal action. My net loss from them is over $100, minus a blank 4GB MicroSD. They have now issued a warning on their support web service, recommending backup onto your computer. Better late than never!

Yea On Course is poorly set up. At least with CoPilot you have a PC sync application that will backup your phone's application. Their CS is poor/bleak, and their forum is protected because you have to open a ticket and wait for them to decide to put it in the forum. GPS puck setup is also in the stone age compared to CoPilot one click method.

My only issue with MQN is in being able to send to device(inbox in MQN)! When will it come out? You won't get an answer so I think there is more to the story, probally revenue driven.

Btw, if you have a WM phone and don't have another application like Google maps loaded you can find a contact and route directly to it. If you have Gmaps etc. they take over. I'm sure someone will hack that apart though!

Posted by: AshtrayV3

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Originally Posted by Hierophant

I have used both TomTom and Garmin and both seem to work well.

Do you need a data plan for them to work like Google maps does? Or is it subscription based and all inclusive....

Posted by: zephxiii

You buy the program (and maps i think), maps are stored on the mem card..

Posted by: webedc

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Originally Posted by AshtrayV3

Do you need a data plan for them to work like Google maps does? Or is it subscription based and all inclusive....

As you're buying the software with maps on the memory card, you don't need data access. However, real-time traffic is turned on by default for Garmin (not sure for TomTom). So it would go fetch the traffic info using data when a route is built. If you're data conscious for whatever reason, simply turn the real-time traffic off.

Posted by: CA

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Originally Posted by webedc

I'm finding the Traffic data war interesting. There is a Microsoft spinnoff called INRIX that is the clear winner.

That data that you are talking about is fenced meaning only the traffic data that describes your route(and 3 alternatives paths) is downloaded and it is XML data. I've been trying to get a handle on the amount these PND's use. It looks like if you drive 8-10 hours a day it comes to only about 15mb's/month, witch isn't as much as a carrier would think.

I have been testing out CoPilot 7 witch uses data both ways and gets its feed from Yahoo witch is free unlike the others!!! However any device manufacturer that uses INRIX is(recently upgraded) is actually using four feeds. Incident/construction, flow, accident, and historical!