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HTC Touch Diamond Announced
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Posted by: cokeman73

Looks good. HTC Diamond Wonder when they will release it.

Posted by: WorldIRC

^It wasn't announced....

Posted by: cokeman73

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Originally Posted by WorldIRC

^It wasn't announced....

lets get technical, it might as well be, they've given the specs for it. Show the device completely, what more do we need?

Posted by: WhiteSoxxx

That looks like a sweet phone.... perhaps the official announcement on Tuesday, but how long in the future would it be before this shows up at any of the carriers? Any speculation from past HTC launches?

Posted by: splicitysplat

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Originally Posted by WhiteSoxxx

That looks like a sweet phone.... perhaps the official announcement on Tuesday, but how long in the future would it be before this shows up at any of the carriers? Any speculation from past HTC launches?

hopefully about two years.

Posted by: wimaxfan

Next week it comes!

But it sounds like a dream: beautiful smartphone with this specs:
2.8″ VGA (480×640 pixels) touchscreen display
CPU: Qualcomm MSM 7201A @ 528MHz
OS: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
eGPS
Unfortunately, I don't use HTC

Photos:http://allmobiletech.com/?p=111

Posted by: pachi

So why get the X1, this has the same specs..

Posted by: mZimm

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Originally Posted by pachi

So why get the X1, this has the same specs..

X1 Has a larger screen and a slide out keyboard...

Posted by: ImpulseBuyer81

hopefully it comes out later than sooner based on the fact that i just got the touch ...

Whats with the no flash in the camera's??? I guess no one wants to take photos at night in the HTC world

and FM tuner huh, when did that become just a big deal

Posted by: KaYWaY8

Nice... I like but like always I need a hardware keyboard.
I liked the concept of the touch the touch duo was better but I don't like the design.
This would be kill if it had a hardware keyboard.

Posted by: Shackler

GSM?
Keyboard?

Posted by: Pokémon

Definitely can't wait.

I'm considering switching to the Moto Q9c from my Touch within my 30 day trial while I wait for this to come out.

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Originally Posted by Shackler

GSM?
Keyboard?

There's a keyboard that slides out.

Posted by: H@<K0R

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shackler

GSM?
Keyboard?

GSM = DUH
Keyboard = DUH and its Sure-Type (like the t-mobile shadow, blackberry pearl, etc)

EDIT:

not excited about this phone at all.
1)we all know it has a bunch of features that arent necessary.
2)if its anything like the t-mobile shadow (which im 100% sure it is) its gonna have horrible battery life. especially if your using the internet (always shortens battery), camera (increased the mp, decrease the battery), radio (not necessary but its gonna kill battery), processor (uped the processor, downed the battery)
3)WM 6.1 Pro........im tired of WM. its garbage and its probably the worst OS ive ever had to deal with. switching from WM was probably the best decission i EVER made.

i dont mean to bag on the phone or WM. its just....well i know the phone is gonna suck. the shadow sucked, and im sure this one will too. ive never had one good WM phone and i dont expect this to be a good one.
sorry to say but i dont think its worth it.....and it never will be.
it just looks cool

Posted by: Roger Strong

I have some doubts about whether the images and specs are real.

First, there's no left and right soft keys. Aren't these *required* these days? Most Windows Mobile software uses them.

And 480*640? It would be great on a larger screen, say, on one of those devices that are in or almost in the ultra-mobile PC class. But with a screen the same size as most any 320*240 cell phone, I don't see why they'd do it.

I don't see a camera button. As someone else pointed out, there's no flash. It also lacks the macro lens setter and tiny portrait mirror that's on my HTC Apache. There's also no voice record button, and no sign of an infra-red port.

Still, if it's real, I'll trade up.

Posted by: cortez

soft keys are no longer "a requirement"...look at the Sprint Touch, there are no soft keys on that device. 480x640 gets more "stuff" on the screen as i understand it. hopefully with better clarity... infra-red is almost a thing of the past. it doesn't exist on my Sprint Touch nor my Orbit 2 (a.k.a., Touch Cruise). i want to see the "real deal"; i'm still debating (with myself) if I like the square/diamond look....

Posted by: EtherealRemnant

Personally, I have zero interest in this device other than aesthetics. It is definitely very asthetically pleasing though.

Posted by: UTVOL06

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Originally Posted by EtherealRemnant

Personally, I have zero interest in this device other than aesthetics. It is definitely very asthetically pleasing though.

I'm actually looking foward to the HTC Raphael(tytn III) same hardware, but with a slide out keyboard....

So why would you not be interested in an upgrade with a 120mhz faster processor, slimmer and a VGA screen?

Posted by: cokeman73

Where is everyone seeing it's got a keyboard? qwerty or sure type? It's 10.7 mm thin where is the keyboard going to be? My guess is on the screen. They added a keypad to the Dual making it thicker than the Touch, & Touch Cruise. If it has a keypad/board.

Posted by: soccernamlak

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Originally Posted by UTVOL06

I know I'm not. Mainly because the price when that comes out is going to be high, plus for me personally, my phone's speed, weight, and screen are fine for what I use it for...I think I'll wait for the TyTn IV as I'll definitely upgrade when some 4G rolls out

Posted by: YOUNG HOV 718

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008...vent/#more-3439

Posted by: canadian studen

I have to say myself that i'm not that impressed either. I was hoping for more of a multimedia phone but as pretty as this is, i think i will wait for the iPhone 2. I do love that on screen kb though. I do want that.

Posted by: |Blitzkrieg|

I'm in love. Goodbye Touch Cruise. I never got to know you, but I've found someone else

Posted by: omaralt

i was loving the phone, until i read this "900mAh battery"!!! are they serious!!

Posted by: EtherealRemnant

Dude a 900mAh battery may be completely fine... keep in mind this has hardware acceleration. Hardware 3D accel will take the load off the processor and thus, reduce power consumption. Also, the 7200A is a die shrink, so that yields better power management as well.

Posted by: Tony2468

From the HTC website it looks to me the Diamond is just Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (900/1800/1900 MHz) and dual-band HSDPA/WCDMA (900/2100 MHz)

http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46286

Can anyone confirm the Network specs? Will there be two versions of the Diamond, one for Europe/Asia and another for North America?

Thanks

Posted by: Tony2468

Quote:

Originally Posted by omaralt

i was loving the phone, until i read this "900mAh battery"!!! are they serious!!

Battery Specs from HTC:

Battery Rechargeable Lithium-ion or Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 900 mAh
Talk time:

Up to 270 minutes for WCDMA
Up to 330 minutes for GSM
Standby time:
Up to 396 hours for WCDMA
Up to 285 hours for GSM
Video call time: Up to 145 minutes for WCDMA
(The above are subject to network and phone usage.)

Posted by: Silent Witness

900mAH and no 3.5mm headphone jack.

When I saw it today, I was more curious about the latest TouchFlo UI (aka Manila).

Most hipsters just want a nice designed phone (thin) and nice UI that has animated transitional eye candy. I think this fits the bill for the fashion conscious. But this is the first announcement from HTC this week. I'll wait for the Raphael since it has full slide-out QWERTY and will be using the same UI.

Just wait...

Posted by: Matterhorn

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Originally Posted by Tony2468

From the HTC website it looks to me the Diamond is just Tri-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (900/1800/1900 MHz) and dual-band HSDPA/WCDMA (900/2100 MHz)

Maybe it will be quadband without claiming the spec. I think the original Touch had triband in the specs but everyone claimed it was really a quadband. If it is only Triband...I'll wait.

Posted by: RileyFreeman

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Originally Posted by canadian studen

I have to say myself that i'm not that impressed either. I was hoping for more of a multimedia phone but as pretty as this is, i think i will wait for the iPhone 2. I do love that on screen kb though. I do want that.

i think this phone is nicer than u think it is. they just made some slight mishaps.

only talked about the diamond not the raphael or the touch dual 2

the screen is still the stupid 2.8 inch and no memory card slot. hopefully some of these are fixed for north american versions

Posted by: omaralt

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Originally Posted by Tony2468

according to the htc site, my tilt has the following battery specs:

1,350 mAh rechargeable Li-polymer battery Standby time:
Up to 350 hours for UMTS
Up to 365 hours for GSM
Talk time:

Up to 264 minutes for UMTS
Up to 420 minutes for GSM
Up to 120 minutes for video

so according to this, i can get better talk time on my tilt. the talk time on my tilt sucks.... 900mah battery is completly unacceptable. how long do u think the battery is gonna last with wifi, gps, bluetooth, 3G, etc??!!! and add to that a vga screen...dunno, i could be wrong, i hope i am, but i'm not happy with my tilts 1350 mah battery, cant imagine going down to 900... and now that i think about it, the shadow has a 900 mah battery, and that thing has the worst battery life ever!

Posted by: steine1988

What a joke. We wait and wait for a this so called "event" and not only do we get the one device we've known about for weeks now, but it's tri-band GSM. It's like 2003 all over again. Yaaaaay. Talk about a let down.

Posted by: ShadowXOR

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Originally Posted by RileyFreeman

I'm very curious to see the Raphael...and I also find it strange that they stuck with a 2.8" screen, everything else looks great though. I'll probably get this if it ever comes to Verizon.

Posted by: LoneGunner

will it ever come for verizon?

Posted by: hawee

how is this phone compared to the iphone?

Posted by: JoeyDee

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Originally Posted by steine1988

What a joke. We wait and wait for a this so called "event" and not only do we get the one device we've known about for weeks now, but it's tri-band GSM. It's like 2003 all over again. Yaaaaay. Talk about a let down.

The origional Touch was the same way for 3G... Sprint is getting CDMA versions of this phone towards the end of the year, the europe gsm version is the one coming out this summer though. If I was HTC, I'd concentrate on european 3G and CDMA for america to be honest. A phone like this needs a good broadband network to back it up, only Sprint and Big V can do that here.

Posted by: cbreze

Is it that hard or more costly to add the extra gsm band for quad, and the nam 3g? It makse no sense to make seperate devices when everything is gsm.

Posted by: laurenke

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Originally Posted by cbreze

Is it that hard or more costly to add the extra gsm band for quad, and the nam 3g? It makse no sense to make seperate devices when everything is gsm.

Dunno. Lack of quadband is disappointing, but if you go to the generic European page of the HTC site and navigate to the Touch Diamond page, they list a GSM/EDGE 850/1800/1900, HSDPA 850/1900 version, so all hope is not lost for at least an unlocked N.A. version to be available in a few months.

Posted by: JoeyDee

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbreze

Is it that hard or more costly to add the extra gsm band for quad, and the nam 3g? It makse no sense to make seperate devices when everything is gsm.

a lot of things are quad band gsm, tri band wcdma is almost unheard of.

I really dont get why it doesnt have quadband gsm at least.

Posted by: RileyFreeman

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyDee

do people even care by the time verizon gets phones?. arent they the same idiots that JUST released the touch which is like 8months old in cdma life if not older.

i think its ridiculous a company with verizons size is letting sprint and alltell and everyone else for that matter release cdma handets before them

Posted by: JoeyDee

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Originally Posted by RileyFreeman

Especially since Big V is half owned by Vodafone... you'd think they're have leverage with manufactures.

Want to know what annoys me more? Best Buy is aparently getting a 2 month exclusive on the SAmsung Instinct for Sprint... same sort of thing, Radioshack for example sells well over 10x the number if sprint phones Best Buy does, hell, Radioshack sells more sprint phones than sprint retail stores do, yet Best Buy threw the money at it.

So I guess Sprint threw more money to HTC than Verizon?

Posted by: turley

- Windows Mobile 6.1
- 256 ROM, 192 RAM, 4GB Internal Storage
- 2.8“ VGA Touchscreen
- Tri-Band
- A-GPS
- 3.2 MP Camera
- Bluetooth, WiFi, FM Radio
- 900 mAh Battery
- Accelerometer
- $764.95 (Pre-order MoblePlanet)

To be honest, I'm a little disappointed. Even though the the screen is VGA, it's still only 2.8". No audio jack; does HTC have a financial interest in a mini-USB to audio jack factory? A 900mAH battery? Maybe HTC has figured out how to manufacture room temperature super conductors.

Still, the device looks pretty slick, especially when compared to the Cruise, it's two-thirds the thickness of the original Touch, with a much much better processor and built-in GPS, which will help swallowing the price jump.

The Tri-band issue is interesting. As is already well known, the original GSM Touch is quad-band, even though HTC marketed it as tri-band. This was a consequence of the TI OMAP chip set and how the 850/900 MHz bands are multiplexed, making it difficult to disable one without disabling the other. The quad-band capability of the original GSM was an important factor in my decision to purchase an enhanced Touch. I've been very happy with it's reception, especially on the 850MHz band.

It's much easier to disable the 850MHz band in Qualcomm 72xx chipsets; HTC did this to the HTC Touch Dual. Even though I think the Diamond has many negatives that it shouldn't have, it has possibilities when viewed narrowly as an upgrade to the original and enhanced Touch. However, without the 850Mhz band, most "unlocked" adopters here in the states will probably have to take a pass.

Posted by: JoeyDee

When it comes to no audio jack, that takes a lot of space. I'd much rather keep using a good stereo bluetooth headset then accidentally choke myself, or accidentally pull my phone out of my pocket if the cord snags something.

Posted by: lxlim

Okay just to be clear Tri-Band/EuropeAsia, means we can't import and unlock the phone to be used by north american GSM carrier?

Posted by: Madcypher

Looking at the press conference it looks like this phone has video out also, an unnoted feature.

Anyone have anything on that?

I love the fact that you can display a picture full screen with a tap. I hate not being able to just see a pic full screen on my MDA without running the slideshow!

Cyph

Posted by: cbreze

Quote:

Originally Posted by lxlim

Okay just to be clear Tri-Band/EuropeAsia, means we can't import and unlock the phone to be used by north american GSM carrier?

It should work on the gsm 1900mhz band in the usa. Sometimes the 850mhz is needed. Such as t-mobile roaming. For me without that 850 it';s a big negative.

Posted by: turley

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyDee

When it comes to no audio jack, that takes a lot of space. I'd much rather keep using a good stereo bluetooth headset then accidentally choke myself, or accidentally pull my phone out of my pocket if the cord snags something.

Preferences are in play as usual: there just isn't a good set of mobile wireless NC cans out there right now. Noise cancellation is important to me. As to the space issue, virtually every other manufacturer, Nokia, Apple, Samsung, has figured it out, why not HTC? Well actually they have if the Xperia is any indication. I think this is just a legacy "feature", not a space or cost issue.

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Originally Posted by lxlim

Okay just to be clear Tri-Band/EuropeAsia, means we can't import and unlock the phone to be used by north american GSM carrier?.

MobilePlanet and others will be selling unlocked Touch Diamonds in the US, probably towards the end of next month. 1900MHz is pretty common in North American cities. However, once your in the hills 850MHz only predominates. If you want one of these, make sure to check your coverage maps.

Of course, HTC has called quad-band devices tri-band before. If you check pdaDB, their specs still quote the Diamond as quad-band. We'll just have to wait until a few get out into the wild to know for sure.

Posted by: laurenke

Check the European Home page on the HTC site (or GSMArena/PhoneArena which both have all the correct info)...There is a version of the Diamond for the Americas with 850/1800/1900 plus HSDPA 850/1900. Importing, so long as it's this version, won't be a problem.

http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=46646

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC...one-p_2876.html

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond-2368.php

Posted by: cbreze

Thanks for those links laurenke. Man, that is one sweet bit of eye candy. So I get from the links that there will be a nam version. Cool. Out next month perhaps. And is that more operating ram than usual? Sweet. I could maybe go for this over the nam touch dual. If only had 1700 t-mo band. Sweet anyway....

Posted by: turley

Quote:

Originally Posted by laurenke

Thanks for the info as well!

Posted by: Wayno-san

...and you'll have to code your own video drivers.... LOL!

Posted by: Tony2468

Click the link for Cnet UK's first impression of the Diamond.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,3...49296808,00.htm

Posted by: Matterhorn

[QUOTE=laurenke]Check the European Home page on the HTC site (or GSMArena/PhoneArena which both have all the correct info)...There is a version of the Diamond for the Americas with 850/1800/1900 plus HSDPA 850/1900. Importing, so long as it's this version, won't be a problem.

QUOTE]
According to phonearena, the Raphael has exactly the same processor and will be a quadband GSM and triband UMTS http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC...one-p_2879.html .

I wonder if it is possible to activate the other bands with just a different radio rom or if it is hardware disabled.

Posted by: Darcity

Quote:

Originally Posted by laurenke

Check the European Home page on the HTC site (or GSMArena/PhoneArena which both have all the correct info)...There is a version of the Diamond for the Americas with 850/1800/1900 plus HSDPA 850/1900. Importing, so long as it's this version, won't be a problem.

http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=46646

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC...one-p_2876.html

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond-2368.php

So that means that I will be able to use this phone on AT&T?

Posted by: turley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matterhorn

I wonder if it is possible to activate the other bands with just a different radio rom or if it is hardware disabled.

In the Qualcomm chip sets, the 900MHz and 850MHz bands are carried by separate outputs off the antenna multiplexer. To disable one, the easiest thing to do is not to connect the output during assembly. This is how the 850MHz band is disabled in the Dual.

I have a hardware question. As we know, HTC decided to emulate a bad iPhone habit in the Diamond and go with an internal 4GB memory card instead of an external memory card slot. Is the 900mAh battery fully internal and non-user replaceable as well? The HTC site doesn't make this clear. I would hate to think the Diamond is three years and out like the iPhone.

Posted by: pachi

I think the Xperia completely blows this away. It has soo many better things going for it.

Posted by: laurenke

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcity

So that means that I will be able to use this phone on AT&T?

If you buy the North American version with 850, yes.

Posted by: Matterhorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by turley

Is the 900mAh battery fully internal and non-user replaceable as well? The HTC site doesn't make this clear. I would hate to think the Diamond is three years and out like the iPhone.

I've seen photos of the Diamond with the back cover off and it is a removeable battery, in fact there are rumors coming from lots of sources that say there will be a larger capacity battery available later on ... $$$.

Posted by: laurenke

Could you post a link to these photos of the cover off, please? I've not seen them before.

Posted by: Matterhorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by laurenke

Could you post a link to these photos of the cover off, please? I've not seen them before.

Look towards the bottom of the first and third page http://www.phonemag.com/gallery?album=3&gallery=78

Posted by: pager

WHOA WHOA WHOA, 900mAh battery?! I might have to pass on this one. My Shadow has 920 and it can't even make it a whole day.

Posted by: Matterhorn

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

I think the Xperia completely blows this away. It has soo many better things going for it.

Does the Xperia really have built-in GPS or is a dongle necessary get GPS working?

Posted by: bbg

Quote:

Originally Posted by turley

- A-GPS

It is eGPS in the new devices.

Quote:

Originally Posted by turley

the original Touch, with a much much better processor and built-in GPS, which will help swallowing the price jump.

Previous gen devices such as the Touch already have GPSOne aGPS. It's up to your carrier to release a supporting ROM for it or for you to install a third party ROM or CAB & radio to make use of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by turley

.. it's still only 2.8". No audio jack; does HTC have a financial interest in a mini-USB to audio jack factory?

So? An audio jack takes up volume. Is that truly necessary when you are prepared purchase and lug around headphones? Is the additional few $$ & tiny audio jack adapter too tough a chore to handle? To save space without removing the ability for people to use their headphones, HTC retains the correct move.

This euro-spec'd Diamond is the first with released features. Battery life remains questionable and the lack of additional memory card support is a bummer. That said, I'm certain that within the year another spec'd version of a 'Touch' will be released. Meanwhile, it's the CDMA Raphael that interests me.

Posted by: steine1988

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

I think the Xperia completely blows this away. It has soo many better things going for it.

Ditto.

I was going to buy a Diamond, but since it doesn't even have quadband GSM, it's off the list. The whole point of getting one was so that I can stay connected while traveling. What I really needed is a pocket pc that can be used for GPS, e-mail and web browsing in North America and Europe. But since the Diamond isn't even quadband, the whole point is lost.

So unless HTC comes up with a nice successor to the Trinity, I'm moving on to either the Xperia or perhaps the iPhone.

Posted by: pachi

xperia has soo much more advance stuff..ill name them all
1. 800x480, 16:9 3" screen vs 2.8 480x640
2. xperia panels vs touch flo, both are great
3. 3.5 mm jack for audio vs crapola.
4. 3.2 mpxl cam vs 3.2 mpxl cam, i say SE cam will win.
5. VGA 30fps videos vs prob crap videos like all htc devices.
6. 400 megs plus microSD expansion vs 4gb and no expansion (kills it for me)
7. Quadband HSDPA/GSM vs Tri-band HSDPA/GMS
8. Full qwerty keyboard vs no keyboard
9. USB, AGPS
and there is soo much more.

Posted by: pachi

http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs...in_action_video

I am soo impressed now. The browsing is amazing and full youtube support//

Posted by: bbg

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

xperia has soo much more advance stuff..ill name them all
1. 800x480, 16:9 3" screen vs 2.8 480x640

hmmm....nearly the same
pixel pitch..

Quote:

3. 3.5 mm jack for audio vs crapola.

"crapola", eh? Nada? A few $$ and tiny adapter is too tough to fathom for some.

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Originally Posted by pachi

5. VGA 30fps videos vs prob crap videos like all htc devices.

Do you know what the video capture is to be? No. Some tidbit for ya -- the Xperia is an HTC device branded and supplied to Sony.

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Originally Posted by pachi

6. 400 megs plus microSD expansion vs 4gb and no expansion (kills it for me)

Too bad that the Diamond ain't he ONLY device to come... Yet don't let that interfere with your tangent to rant.

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Originally Posted by pachi

8. Full qwerty keyboard vs no keyboard
9. USB, AGPS
and there is soo much more.

Ditto for your errors.... Ohh, and how can you figure that this device lacks USB? As with previous devices a mini-USB will plug in just fine.

Many of your points are disingenuous as you are wrong on more than a few and neglect a valid comparison to the Raphael:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1365727

I strongly urge you to get better informed before passing opinions based from "crapola"...

Now let's laugh it up and move on.

Posted by: pachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbg

I strongly urge you to get better informed before passing opinions based from "crapola"...

Now let's laugh it up and move on.

HTC is crapola when it comes to camera and videos.

Posted by: bbg

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

HTC is crapola when it comes to camera and videos.

I have a specific camera for photos. A camera phone will only be a bonus for me and most..

That said, your HTC prejudice is not grounded against the video capture performance of the upcoming devices -- we do not know.

Your afformentined itemised laurels for the Xperia (an HTC device as well..) have mostly been debunked. It is not so exceptional.

Posted by: omaralt

i agree w/pachi, video and photos on htc all suck. and yes, i also agree w/bbg, that my phone is not my primary camera, however the main reason for that is because it sucks. i had an n95 for a while, and now have an n73 (in addition to my htc tilt), and while both the n73 and tilt are 3.2 megapixel cameras, the n73 takes some amazing pics! i could honestly use that as my everyday camera (if i could stand the other aspects of the phone). why htc cant put a usable camera in its phones is beyond me...

Posted by: JoeyDee

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

HTC is crapola when it comes to camera and videos.

I guess you didnt see the part how HTC is making the X FOR Sony...

Posted by: canadian studen

^ Sony has stated 1000 times even though HTC is making the phone is ALL SONY. HTC is just putting it together so to speak.

Posted by: pachi

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Originally Posted by bbg

its very inconvenient to have to carry extra baggage, another thing if you spend 700 bucks on a phone it should at least carry a good cam, if not then why put a cam in the 1st place.

Posted by: bbg

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Originally Posted by pachi

its very inconvenient to have to carry extra baggage, another thing if you spend 700 bucks on a phone it should at least carry a good cam, if not then why put a cam in the 1st place.

Market place? Name a phone on the market that can compete with even an average 4 year old compact digital camera... Cameras exist on phones as a bonus and have been market driven to be an expectation. I know of NO ONE who is currently expectng such a camera-phone to compete with their digital compact camera of choice.

Baggage? If I'm travelling and desire a camera then I'll damn well ensure that the camera to save vacation photos will not be sub-par. No phone on the market meets the minimal average that consumer demand for their primary camera.

pachi, you are unreasonably competing these new HTC devices against whimsical vapour and/or erring in the specs of these future HTC devices to fabricate a rant.

Dude, when you have a reasonable argument then return to complain. So many of your condemning points have been destroyed, and yet, obliviously, you continue on. Where's the discussion? When you can demonstrate a PHONE with an optical zoom then you at least deserve to get up on stage.

Damn, many of the argumentative points against these new HTC devices are truly nonsensical.... "Extra baggage" appears now to be the deal breakers for you folk. From a ~20g and few $$ audio adapter to make use of the EXTRA BAGGAGE of your headphones to complaints that the camera is insufficient to phantom competition and even a compact digital camera of 4 years ago is to be an excessive extra to carry....THIS HTC PHONE MUST DO EVERYTHING AND WHAT NOTHING ELSE DOES OR IT'S CRAPOLA!

Get a grip. Totally out to lunch.

Posted by: pachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbg

Market place? Name a phone on the market that can compete with even an average 4 year old compact digital camera....

I took this pic with my N95. Tell me this doesnt compete with a 4 or 5 mpxl camera.
How hard is it to put a decent lens in a $700 phone. I def got my moneys worth here. Maybe i am too spoiled.

here is another one.

Posted by: ShadowXOR

Those images are gorgeous.

Posted by: cbreze

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbg

Market place? Name a phone on the market that can compete with even an average 4 year old compact digital camera...

I would like to say that the nokia n95 has the best cam of any phone I've ever used. At least as good and probably better than some 4 year old digi cam. Oh, and it also makes stellar phone calls. But HTC cams are crap, no question about that.

Posted by: pachi

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Originally Posted by cbreze

i see you have the E90, how is it? I wish nokia would release it here with 3g.

Posted by: JoeyDee

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Originally Posted by canadian studen

^ Sony has stated 1000 times even though HTC is making the phone is ALL SONY. HTC is just putting it together so to speak.

It's like how Nissan makes Infinity, same 'guts' for the most part, different 'software'

Sony UI + HTC Hardware.

Posted by: JoeyDee

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Originally Posted by pachi

I took this pic with my N95. Tell me this doesnt compete with a 4 or 5 mpxl camera.
How hard is it to put a decent lens in a $700 phone. I def got my moneys worth here. Maybe i am too spoiled.

here is another one.

That's why I wish the N96 had a 'suretype' keyboard... I'd snag one up in a heartbeat...

Posted by: babikian

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Originally Posted by steine1988

For the above pictures taken by N95 I say,my son has a N958GB black its camera is unparalleled,it can be compared to some good quality digital cameras.

And to Mr. Steine I say I have an Iphone and I advice him not to get one,the reason:
Its so addictive, does everything that you just mentioned so well that you will get hooked to it and Im afraid you might not notice its shortcomings.!!!its sort of blind love I thought I was through with it after getting married!!!.

Posted by: bbg

pachi, good for you that you're content with your camera phone and would prefer that to the "excess baggage" that a dedicated digital compact camera will provide.

My points stand, that the market place rarely if ever determines a deal breaking deal upon the ability of a PDA/Phones camera. Unlike yourself, much of that same market place would prefer to have the features (optical zoom, etc..) that a dedicated camera can provide them. A camera upon their phone is simply a bonus and hardly their primary camera.

Beyond that, the points stand that you do not know of the video capture quality of the upcoming HTC devices and therefore you are in no position to absolutely condemn them as being unable to achieve VGA 30fps. And if they don't? Hardly a deal breaker for myself and most others looking for a PDA/Phone.....

Let's get this thread back on track to discuss the SPECIFICS of the upcoming HTC devices rather than a silly tangent sourced upon a member's condemning prejudice against all that is and is to be made by HTC.

Posted by: crow610

With the very first HTC Touch, HTC was attempting to hide WM UI but imho did a pretty bad job at it. The transition between HTC shell and WM was not fluid at all. With the Diamond seems like they are doing a better job at making the shell and WM look like one entity. I have only seen pictures/videos of the UI in action but when say writing an SMS/email we are back to to WM. I could be wrong on this though.

Even coming from the very first HTC Touch, I am quite excited about this phone. But even if the new shell sucks, the phone looks stylish enough on the outside and the inside is quite a step up from the original Touch.

Posted by: acadiaforum.net

So do these even come with a stylus or is TouchFlo3D supposed to be full featured enough to never need it? I'm really interested in this phone, but REALLY want to avoid the need for a stylus.

Posted by: pachi

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Originally Posted by crow610

With the very first HTC Touch, HTC was attempting to hide WM UI but imho did a pretty bad job at it. The transition between HTC shell and WM was not fluid at all. With the Diamond seems like they are doing a better job at making the shell and WM look like one entity. I have only seen pictures/videos of the UI in action but when say writing an SMS/email we are back to to WM.

Thats becuase they are using Hardware Acceleration., I can't wait to see what the device can do more. This is actually the 1st WM phone that got me interested.

Posted by: bbg

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Originally Posted by acadiaforum.net

So do these even come with a stylus or is TouchFlo3D supposed to be full featured enough to never need it? I'm really interested in this phone, but REALLY want to avoid the need for a stylus.

Oh yes, a stylus is shown to be included in some of the videos. That is great! I hate to see companies impose dumbed down limitations upon UI to their end users. Choices are better.

Posted by: burgertime

Yea the HTC camera on the Mogul is very crappy. You basically have to have the hand of an assassin to take a descent pic. I have to take my friends pictures like 3 times because they will come out so blurry. Hopefully the diamond will deliver then again I have a hard time justifying why a pocked PC needs a good camera anyways. We have become too spoiled with cell phones.

Posted by: UTVOL06

I can't wait for the US version of the HTC Diamond to come out now. I hope it comes out in July a month after the EU and Asian releases.

Posted by: JwY

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Originally Posted by acadiaforum.net

So do these even come with a stylus or is TouchFlo3D supposed to be full featured enough to never need it? I'm really interested in this phone, but REALLY want to avoid the need for a stylus.

Most of the time you won't need it. Even on the Kaiser I rarely use it. Just when I want to write a note in ink, etc.

Posted by: crabman

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Originally Posted by UTVOL06

I can't wait for the US version of the HTC Diamond to come out now. I hope it comes out in July a month after the EU and Asian releases.

On the FCC filing thread HTC requested confidentiality for the manual and photos until August with obvious implications. I also want this phone but it sounds like we have a wait ahead.

Posted by: Roger Strong

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Originally Posted by acadiaforum.net

So do these even come with a stylus or is TouchFlo3D supposed to be full featured enough to never need it? I'm really interested in this phone, but REALLY want to avoid the need for a stylus.

According to one review, "if you want to jot something down mid-conversation, pulling the stylus out of the bottom of the phone will automatically open up the note-taking application."
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006915.html

Also:
- "if you get an incoming call that you don't want to answer, you can set the phone face down on your desk to silence the ringer. "

- "The circular touchpad also has various LED configurations that will flash in different combinations to alert you to missed calls, new e-mails, new text messages, and so forth."

"Windows Mobile is pretty much an afterthought"
"just about every setting, menu, and application has been "HTC-ified" with big icons and animations."

Posted by: Phat^Trance

Here are some candy for your eyes

Pictures: HTC Touch Diamond

Pictures: HTC Touch Diamond Part #2

Posted by: RileyFreeman

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Originally Posted by Phat^Trance

Here are some candy for your eyes

Pictures: HTC Touch Diamond

Pictures: HTC Touch Diamond Part #2

not that i was ever interested in buying the phone. im a keyboard guy so raphael is what i am waitingfor. but after all those pics a phone i thought is nice turned really ugly. some of those shots that back looks terrible. the phone looks huge in thickness. those pics were definitely not flattering

Posted by: bbg

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Originally Posted by RileyFreeman

the phone looks huge in thickness. those pics were definitely not flattering

It's hardly morbidly obese:

The back has barely slight variations with its 'diamond' planes -- it's the lighting that over emphasizes the changes:

But yeah, it's the raphael for me too.

Posted by: Silent Witness

Those pix showed what a fingerprint magnet it is going to be. One of the main reasons why I don't like all-touchscreen phones to begin with.

The backside doesn't look all that flattering either.

I wish manufacturers can give us a stainless steel or matte finish on the backside if it is going to be extremely glossy on the front. LG made that mistake with the Vu.

Want it less greasy on both sides and more grip. RiM got it right with the back of the Bold.

Posted by: ricoks

i like the shiny-ness
On one hand i say, who cares, it's a phone - then i say, ohhh, I like shiny

sheesh, i need to make up my OWN mind......

Posted by: H@<K0R

ugh the back gives me a headache!

Posted by: twofaze

looks nice......

Posted by: kevinnugent

I'm surprised HTC have labeled this a "fashion" phone. Anything with WM would not be considered a "fashion" phone in my book.

Kevin

Posted by: bbg

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Originally Posted by kevinnugent

Anything with WM would not be considered a "fashion" phone in my book.

More substance than limited to style?

Posted by: acadiaforum.net

Anyone know how the raphael will compare in thickness to this one. I'd love to have a touchscreen with an actual QWERTY, but not at .7 inches like everything else out right now.