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Will you buy the new 3G iPhone?
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Posted by: melman101

Hey all, I'm just trying to get a feel around how many HoFo members are going to be buying a 3G iPhone. I've been laying low since I haven't been messing around with any firmwares, so I haven't seen this question around with a poll. Here's hoping I'm not repeating. As for me, I haven't decided yet. However, I did spend $600 bucks on this baby, and not sure what would happen to it if I did buy a new one. My fiance wants the new one also, so I wouldn't be able to trade it to her.

Also, depending on the price of the new one, if it's attainable for $200 like some rumors suggest, than that moves me to the definite side of possibility. If it's $400 - $600 and my current iPhone does everything the same minus 3G, i think I'll stick with it.

Edit: Sorry wanted to add at least one more option but I messed up. Will not buy an iPhone at all.

Posted by: sumx4182

need to add "I do not have an iphone but will buy if the subsidized price is true"

Posted by: melman101

Sadly, I can't add options to the poll. That sucks.

Yes, that is also a good one. :-)

Posted by: JonnyBruha

Where's the option for "I don't have an iPhone anymore, but I might buy the 3G version if Apple addresses the missing features from the first version"?

Posted by: melman101

JonnyBruha: Which features do you speak of? iChat? MMS? What do you need in order to facilitate a purchase?

Posted by: JonnyBruha

Off the top of my head, the ability to send and receive any file over Bluetooth, open all Bluetooth profiles entirely, use MP3's as ringtones without conversion, 3G of course, MMS, the ability to download and upload files through the web browser and from emails, the ability to organize my content as I wish without doing it through iTunes, have a non recessed headphone jack (which HAS to be planned for the next one), a camera with settings (I'll settle for a lesser camera than I'm using now if I can adjust aspects of taking the picture), video recording, and stereo speakers. All of this should be native functionality to maintain the manufacturer's warranty and with enough RAM to do enough of it simultaneously that it won't crash back to the home screen. Oh, and above all else, a louder speakerphone and earpiece. Hopefully the 3G will clear up the quality issues on its own.

Posted by: Petey07

I have to see the feature as well as if the price range is right, i might jump in, but I more leaning towards the crackberry bold!

Posted by: dsigma6

I have a current iPhone, and will buy the 3G iPhone if I can find some jack*** to buy my first gen iPhone.

3G is of no use to me, but GPS is the key selling point.

Posted by: aggie99

my next phone will either be the Nokia E71 or the BB 9000. I refuse to call it the "Bold" lol

I'm done with the iPhone until they add MMS, Bluetooth OBEX and A2DP profiles, and just about everything else JonnyBruha mentioned above.

Posted by: sumx4182

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsigma6

I have a current iPhone, and will buy the 3G iPhone if I can find some jack*** to buy my first gen iPhone.

3G is of no use to me, but GPS is the key selling point.

is the GPS going to be independent? or will it need service from AT&T to use, like VZNavigator for Verizon? I hope they won't make you pay for it!

Posted by: melman101

I also like the GPS. I hope they don't screw first gen iPhone owners. I'd be happy to buy a bluetooth gps thingy if it works.

But I just bought a magellan GPS which is actually very awesome.

As for features, I think both the current iPhone and the new iPhone will both be running on the same firmware so whatever features the new iPhone will have (minus the hardware features) should be on the current iPhone. (One Hopes).

Posted by: Eckono

I will buy the 3G iPhone no matter what. Its weird how all these iPhone clones that come with 3G already, MMS, tons of memory, and some even a browser with flash support built in can't create the buzz the iphone did. I've been seeing all these ads on the net comapring the new samsung instinct to the 1st gen iphone. It's really not a fair comparison, but the current iPhone still offers things that the instinct doesnt. All the upcoming WinMo phones will spark a interest in people in denial who hate the iPhone and haven't even used one; but I have a feeling those phones will get boring like all other WinMo devices in my past. I just hope apple really takes time and capitalizes on what it has in the iPhone. Hopefully they take advantage of all its capabilities with the 3G model.

Posted by: dwest218

I'm already standing in line outside the Apple store for the 3g iPhone.

Posted by: Tastypeppers

I won't buy the 3G iPhone because I have a T-Mobile contract that expires in December. (I have an unlocked, jailbreak'd iPhone running on T-Mobile).

Uhhh, can I change my vote? I won't buy the 3G iPhone until December.

Posted by: cowboy1964

If I can trade in (subsidize, whatever you want to call it) my current iPhone and I can use my $100 credit, then yes I'll probably buy the new one as long as it doesn't cost me more than about $350 out-of-pocket.

Posted by: nfl46

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie99

my next phone will either be the Nokia E71 or the BB 9000. I refuse to call it the "Bold" lol

I'm done with the iPhone until they add MMS, Bluetooth OBEX and A2DP profiles, and just about everything else JonnyBruha mentioned above.

The BB 9000 is going to be called the BB Bold and it will have 3g.

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfl46

The BB 9000 is going to be called the BB Bold and it will have 3g.

yes I know that, but I'll opt to call it the BB9000 which is its actualy model number just as the Curve is the 8310. I don't like the name. I know it will have 3g and just about everything you could want as well. Been tracking this one over at crackberry for quite a while!

Posted by: melman101

Hehehehe. Yeah. I hope they don't change the design. I mean, if it doesn't cost me out of pocket more than $200 - $250 i would definitely consider it. But I'd just hate to think what i would do with this iPhone. Run a webserver, like the famous newton one. LMAO.

I just wonder how much 3G coverage there will be. Also, that was a good point, i hope it's not like VZNavigator where you have to pay monthly for GPS. I wonder about the camera also and if it will have a light. Maybe I should skip gen 2 and wait for gen 3 with the flash/camera light. LMAO.

Mel

Posted by: sumx4182

Quote:

Originally Posted by melman101

Also, that was a good point, i hope it's not like VZNavigator where you have to pay monthly for GPS.

bump for possible answer

Posted by: RogerPodacter

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Originally Posted by melman101

Hehehehe. Yeah. I hope they don't change the design. I mean, if it doesn't cost me out of pocket more than $200 - $250 i would definitely consider it. But I'd just hate to think what i would do with this iPhone. Run a webserver, like the famous newton one. LMAO.

I just wonder how much 3G coverage there will be. Also, that was a good point, i hope it's not like VZNavigator where you have to pay monthly for GPS. I wonder about the camera also and if it will have a light. Maybe I should skip gen 2 and wait for gen 3 with the flash/camera light. LMAO.

Mel

if you are in NYC or anywhere near there, you will have blanketed 3G coverage everywhere. when i'm in philly, all the way up to NYC, i have 3G continuously. out here in cali its a little different.

Posted by: 1906!

Yall, its like Crack! I have one, but if they are adding bells and whistles: I HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER!

Posted by: blips

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Where's the option for "I don't have an iPhone anymore, but I might buy the 3G version if Apple addresses the missing features from the first version"?

I agree with this one. If Apple releases the 3G iPhone with crippled bluetooth they can jump in a lake. And they call themselves cutting edge. What a joke. And I'm a huge Apple fan. I really want it but not at the cost of what my Nokia N75 can do. Funny how the Nokia N75 (and probably most Nokias) play better with Macs than the iPhone. C'mon Apple get your head out of your a*^.

Posted by: ATTILA THE HUN

3G and WIFI at list

Posted by: Wide_opeN

I'll buy it eventually just like I did with gen1 but probably not within the first couple of months.

Posted by: CtlAltDel

If it's at least as feature-packed as the N95 I'll demo it.

Posted by: melman101

I'm just thinking that most of the software features should be exactly the same. I doubt they will keep two different iPhone OS's. So if the new one is getting MMS, then this one will. If the new one is getting flash, this one will. So how much do I need 3G is the real question? :-) I guess not much since most of the time i'm in a wifi area. Really, is EDGE that slow? ;-)

I guess only time will tell once they announce the phone. Especially if it only has 3G and no GPS like people speculate then that would really suck.

I see a lot of people viewed this topic, but not many voted. Definitely needed more choices. Sorry.

Posted by: goldsaint

if the new iphone is unlockable, then yes i'll buy it.

if not, i'll just keep my 16gb as i love it.

Posted by: jaycee916

Im getting my girl one upon release but for me i shall wait because i dont feel like dropping over a grand on two mobile phones......again!

Plus I still have my 16gb which leads me to ask whats a fair price for a slighty used mint iphone its unlocked and Jail broken. I see them go for $600 but that seems steep IMO?

Posted by: klowngoblin

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Originally Posted by melman101

JonnyBruha: Which features do you speak of? iChat? MMS? What do you need in order to facilitate a purchase?

are you serious? the iphone has so many limitations and shortcomings its REDICULOUS, why do you think there are so many flame wars on the internet about it?

i think most people forget about the software that drives the hardware

the iphone has VERY VERY Capable HW (a very fast cpu, plenty of storage, good bluetooth/wifi/gsm radios)
but apples BS firmware/sw completly cripples it (just look at the camera, what a joke!)

Posted by: klowngoblin

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumx4182

is the GPS going to be independent? or will it need service from AT&T to use, like VZNavigator for Verizon? I hope they won't make you pay for it!

well just FYI

REAL GPS: receives positioning information from 5-20 sattelites in ORBIT, you can be in the middle of no where with no cell towers for thousands of kms and still have a very accurate fix, my BT359 is using a SiFStar III GPS Chipset and is generally accurate to within 5-10m? (3d fix meaning you have elevation as well as Lat and Long coords)

A-GPS: Garbage gps that uses cell towers and is very inaccurate compared to real GPS, this is why its called Assisted GPS. it cant do anything without a cell tower

then you have some people that think theres such a thing as Wifi GPS and there isnt, the my location option in google maps is a joke, its sometimes 20kms off, it says that im in a community that is actaully 2 communities away from mine.

its just using the nearest ISP network hub as that is a fixed point and you are connected to that hub so you must be "nearby"

if the iphone doesnt have a gps thats capable of at least 15ch's it will be a laughing stock. most gps's today can do 20 with a hotfix of 20 seconds.

Posted by: canadian studen

I will buy it as soon as i can.

Posted by: melman101

Quote:

Originally Posted by klowngoblin

Yea, I know it has many limitations, but in fact I barely notice them anymore. I never received MMS previously so I didn't miss that. And even though it's defunct of features, the camera provides pretty reliable pictures outdoors. It's better than my previous phones. Again, I had nothing super amazing, but the iPhone is still the best out of the ones I've used.

I'm really just missing iChat and some sort of word processor, and the ability to open up PDF's that have passwords, and flash. Ok, my list can go on. But the 2nd generation iPhone won't have any software that the 1st generation won't get. At least I don't forsee that anytime soon. So, here's hoping to an awesome 2.0 upgrade. But I know we won't be getting Flash in that one :-(.

Posted by: randomtask16

I just sold my 1st gen for $400
Limping along with a blackjack till 2nd gen iphone arrives

Posted by: misha24

should have added I have sold my 1g Iphone and will be buying the new one.

Posted by: klowngoblin

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomtask16

I just sold my 1st gen for $400
Limping along with a blackjack till 2nd gen iphone arrives

reflash your blackjack to WM6.1 so at least you dont have to deal with the cingular garbage rom and you get a cool media panel slider

Posted by: eimajuno

I'm considering getting the next generation. I did not go for the first one because it was only Edge. I am going to wait until there is a stable jailbreak for it tho. No way am I going to sign a contract.

Posted by: didefresh2006

I want a 3g iphone if these actions are true...

1. the $199 price is true
2. I can still get my discount each month
3. it's significantly better than the blackberry bold

Posted by: mobillfonphreak

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldsaint

if the new iphone is unlockable, then yes i'll buy it.

if not, i'll just keep my 16gb as i love it.

My sentiments exactly.

Posted by: wookiee2cu

No way in - you know where - is the new 3G iPhone going to be $199. How did you even come up with that price? I dont' know what discount you are referring to but a guy I used to work with now works at a local AT&T store said there are no discounts on plans, data or anything on the iPhone regardless of who you work for. I have a Microsoft account and currently get a slight discount on data and he said that discount would not transfer if I bought the iPhone. I'm just curious that with the new iPhone being 3G, is the unlimitied data package price going to increase?

Posted by: melman101

Quote:

Originally Posted by wookiee2cu

No way in - you know where - is the new 3G iPhone going to be $199. How did you even come up with that price? I dont' know what discount you are referring to but a guy I used to work with now works at a local AT&T store said there are no discounts on plans, data or anything on the iPhone regardless of who you work for. I have a Microsoft account and currently get a slight discount on data and he said that discount would not transfer if I bought the iPhone. I'm just curious that with the new iPhone being 3G, is the unlimitied data package price going to increase?

I also do not believe that the iPhone will be subsidized by AT&T hence why I said rumor in that option. Here is the source link:

http://techland.blogs.fortune.cnn.c...les-new-iphone/

That is why I probably won't buy a 3G iPhone, because it'll be like $400 - $500. I might skip 2nd Gen 3G iPhone, and go for 3rd Gen. LMAO

Sincerely,
Mel

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by wookiee2cu

I can guarantee you that most of us here on HoFo know more than the typical AT&T reps (no offense to those AT&T guys that are HoFo'ers, I'm talking about the typical store worker that isn't a fanatic like us). My neighbor works at an AT&T store and he seeks me out to get information on upcoming devices and such. The AT&T people only get what Apple tells them, which is very little, unless possibly you are suit that makes 6 or 7 figures.

The 199-299 subsidy makes sense actually. Subsidize the cost of the phone to make signing a contract with AT&T more attractive to people who would otherwise unlock. If they decide to unlock and defect to another carrier collect that 175-200 ETF to make up for the cost of the amount of the phone they subsidized. Do I think it's likely? No, not really, but it sure doesn't sound like something that is very far fetched. I imagine we will see the current gen iPhone prices drop once the new one gets released and the new version selling for the same price as the current gen iPhones.

I also think Apple is holding back their remaining stock of the current generation iPhone till they release the new one so they don't have the backlash like they did when they announced the initial price decrease. So expect to see the current gen iPhone for cheap when the new one hits.

Posted by: wookiee2cu

I understand the whole subsidy thing, but why would they do it? They haven't done it so far and they are having no problems selling the phone so I don't see what would convince them to do it. Why give up all that profit... out of the kindness of their hearts?

In regards to the guy I know at AT&T, he's aware of what's going on. He checks out this site, along with phonescoop and many others, so he's not the typical AT&T rep. Nothing against them, like you said, the information is not widely shared. All I was saying is that he told me there is no discounting on the phone or any of the packages associated with it. Heck, he had an iPhone for about 6 months and as an AT&T employee didn't get any breaks on anything.

As far as pricing, I hope the new iPhone isn't much more than $499. I'm hoping they bring it in at what the 16GB is and drop the 16GB to $399 and the 8GB to $299.

Posted by: tks989

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsigma6

I have a current iPhone, and will buy the 3G iPhone if I can find some jack*** to buy my first gen iPhone.

3G is of no use to me, but GPS is the key selling point.

i'm with him, except i already found a jack***to buy it. but i wont get it day 1

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by wookiee2cu

I understand the whole subsidy thing, but why would they do it? They haven't done it so far and they are having no problems selling the phone so I don't see what would convince them to do it. Why give up all that profit... out of the kindness of their hearts?

In regards to the guy I know at AT&T, he's aware of what's going on. He checks out this site, along with phonescoop and many others, so he's not the typical AT&T rep. Nothing against them, like you said, the information is not widely shared. All I was saying is that he told me there is no discounting on the phone or any of the packages associated with it. Heck, he had an iPhone for about 6 months and as an AT&T employee didn't get any breaks on anything.

As far as pricing, I hope the new iPhone isn't much more than $499. I'm hoping they bring it in at what the 16GB is and drop the 16GB to $399 and the 8GB to $299.

The reason they would do it, is most of what AT&T makes is in the subscription to their service, not just selling the iPhone. To them, the unlocking of the iPhone is a huge problem to them and I believe that they think subsidizing the phone will help them to obtain and keep more subscribers. I'd much rather pay $199-299 and have it on AT&T than pay the full $599 or whatever and unlock it for t-mobile. Then again, I'd prefer to take advantage of the AT&T 3g as well.

As far as pricing, if Apple follows their precedent with iPods and the MacBook/MBP lines, the pricing will remain around the same price as the current generation while the existing generation inventory is liquidated at lower prices.

Posted by: melman101

I just wish the wait for the 2.0 firmware was quicker. I want to see what new software apps we will have available.

June 9th I guess we will have all the answers to our questions, I hope.

Posted by: nicktuso

I might buy one but maybe not. Unless something else comes out that catches my eye...haha don't think that will ever happen.

Posted by: DaRtHXtC

I think I'll buy one no matter what, but really hope they'll be one for a subsidized price!

Posted by: shahkg

Just sold my 1st Gen for $410. I'll let that sit in the bank waiting for the new iPhone. Guess I'll have to make due with my BBerry.

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by shahkg

Just sold my 1st Gen for $410. I'll let that sit in the bank waiting for the new iPhone. Guess I'll have to make due with my BBerry.

The Curve isn't that bad! Functionality-wise I'd take it over the iPhone. Internet browsing just really sucks on the Curve..other than that its great!

Posted by: shahkg

Ugghhh, the Curve! Google maps and internet browsing are SUCH a chore on a BBerry. I love the fact that I can type in "restaurant", see the closest ones available, TOUCH the pin and then call it.

You gotta move the stupid "track ball aka tit" to do all that...very annoying.

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by shahkg

Ugghhh, the Curve! Google maps and internet browsing are SUCH a chore on a BBerry. I love the fact that I can type in "restaurant", see the closest ones available, TOUCH the pin and then call it.

You gotta move the stupid "track ball aka tit" to do all that...very annoying.

I agree, the trackball was possibly the worst invention ever on an internet capable phone.

Posted by: melman101

Yea, my fiance has the curve 8300 (no wifi), and browsing on it is terrible. I haven't used any of those high end Nokia's, but to me the iPhone is so awesome that i couldn't even possibly use any other device.

Now, the talk of 3G versus Edge. I have to question how much I will use that for important reasons and not much.

Again, nothing has been confirmed, and i have to see what additional features it adds. If it's just 3G, that is definitely not worth it to me.

Posted by: nefarious

My wife has an iphone. I'm waiting to get mine when 3G launches.

Posted by: Kolyan

Quote:

Originally Posted by melman101

Yea, my fiance has the curve 8300 (no wifi), and browsing on it is terrible. I haven't used any of those high end Nokia's, but to me the iPhone is so awesome that i couldn't even possibly use any other device.

Now, the talk of 3G versus Edge. I have to question how much I will use that for important reasons and not much.

Again, nothing has been confirmed, and i have to see what additional features it adds. If it's just 3G, that is definitely not worth it to me.

+1

3g might not be worth it, especially if apple will not put a bigger battery (I think we already know that firmware 2.0 will have an ability to turn 3g data off. This might be due to fact that new iPhone will have the same battery). But if new iPhone will have 3g, gps, and possibly something else.....might be a good replacement

Posted by: E z G

i just hope it's unlockable and a good price..

Posted by: amkls704

We had 2 iPhones. I sold one to eat some of the price of my Nokia n95-4.

The other one is used by the girlfriend, and she hardly ever uses the internet outside of Wifi. So I don't see a need. The iPhone has so many limitations it's ridiculous. It's a GREAT multimedia phone, but for anything past that, it just isn't practical.

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by amkls704

We had 2 iPhones. I sold one to eat some of the price of my Nokia n95-4.

The other one is used by the girlfriend, and she hardly ever uses the internet outside of Wifi. So I don't see a need. The iPhone has so many limitations it's ridiculous. It's a GREAT multimedia phone, but for anything past that, it just isn't practical.

hmmm it's a GREAT iPod but a GOOD multimedia phone. better camera/video recording and MMS would make it a GREAT multimedia phone. Those are the main thing i'm waiting for on if I decide to buy the new one. If it has all those along with being able to upload/download files thru email and Safari I will be sold.

For now I'm leaning toward sticking with my N95-4 until the BB Bold or N96 NA version is released.

Posted by: Avalanche310

Well I would really love to have the 3G version, but, if it doesn’t include the MMS and is priced at the ridiculous amounts I heard of. Then………….Blackberry Bold here I come!!!! WOOHOOO!!!!

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avalanche310

Well I would really love to have the 3G version, but, if it doesn’t include the MMS and is priced at the ridiculous amounts I heard of. Then………….Blackberry Bold here I come!!!! WOOHOOO!!!!

I'm really digging the Blackberry Bold. I'm gonna try it out at least. But if it cant do everything my N95-4 does then I'll probably sell it off like I do everything else lol

It sure looks promising though.

Posted by: amkls704

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie99

It does look pretty sweet, but like you, I think I'd have a REALLY hard time parting with my n95-4.

I think I could manage to part with it for a NAM version of the N96 though.

haha

Posted by: aggie99

Quote:

Originally Posted by amkls704

It does look pretty sweet, but like you, I think I'd have a REALLY hard time parting with my n95-4.

I think I could manage to part with it for a NAM version of the N96 though.

haha

I'm probably going to keep it no matter what, unless the 3g iPhone just comes out and blows me away. But I'm willing to bet it will remain so locked down that it will sour my attitude about it the way it did after owning the first one. With the only bluetooth profiles I find useful disabled and MMS disabled I'd just as soon go with a cheapy phone that will do those things

Posted by: amkls704

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie99

Yeah I know what you mean. I really missed having a tactile keyboard. I send quite a few e-mails and it drove me nuts. I can t9 a heck of a lot quicker on my n95 than I could ever type on my iPhone.

Either way, I don't think I'll be trading up until Nokia releases something else. The n96 is tempting. But only if they release a NAM version that supports US 3G.

Posted by: coolcellmunda

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no i will not pay big dollars to buy 3g iPhone

Posted by: DJXP

Do you think they will have a cap for Canadians again where we can only buy 5 at a time?

Posted by: babikian

Tactile keyboard is over and done for me,iphone's keyboard is very much made to my liking and I text very fast on it,however to go back to the original thread title,I would say Im gonna keep my Iphone and dont think will get the 3G as I think that it will not support Java MIDP or Adobe Flash which I need,thats why I have already ordered An Asus eeepc900 WIN XP.

Posted by: Kolyan

iPhone does not need any physical keyboard. I have never thought that iPhones keyboard is so good, untill I actually bought the phone and used it for a month or so. Now Flash is another thing, Iphone MUST get it ASAP

Posted by: Samoa Joe

I had an iPhone, but got rid of it. Regret it so much. Was just gonna buy another but then I found out its going to be released in June so I'm waiting for it.

Posted by: muzhik

it just depends... you can never tell until it comes out, based on "rumors" yes, i will buy one

Posted by: plarsen111

Of course I am going to get the new phone. My current one is on eBay now, and they seem to be fetching a lot of dough.

I will just go back to my old samsung until the new one comes out.

Posted by: ATTILA THE HUN

I will buy only if the 3G is extra for what iphone has now,
any of changes like
1 removing wi-hi so they can charg you for telphony data,
2 3G 1700 band, useless over the world so US iphone stay only in US no over sea buy
and so on I stay with the old one. the price for it will sky rocket.
by the way just bought 16G and keeping it unopened box till the new one comes out.

Posted by: canadian studen

^i think you mean the 2100 band for Europe. 1700 if only for T-mobile USA.

Posted by: XFF

Quote:

Originally Posted by klowngoblin

Not correct. A-GPS isn't any more or less accurate than autonomous GPS. The only difference is that with A-GPS, the mobile can obtain almanac and ephemeris data via the cellular data network rather than depending on the GPS constellation. Since almanac and ephemeris data are transmitted from the GPS satellites at a very low bit rate, it can take 60-90 seconds for a "cold fix" (when the receiver has no idea where it's located or what time it is). A-GPS can jump start the whole process and achieve a much quicker fix. So it's actually a good thing.

Furthermore, some implementations of A-GPS offload some of the computations to the base station, so unlike an autonomous GPS which must perform all the computations locally, an assisted receiver may be able to send the raw data received from the GPS satellites back to the base station and let the base station do all the calculations, then receive the final result (fix) back from the base station.

None of this impacts accuracy. A-GPS should determine the exact same fix as an autonomous receiver. It was implemented both for speed reasons and to keep assisted receivers (as those contained in mobile phones) cheaper and simpler by reducing the amount and complexity of calculations necessary.

Of course, an assisted receiver will not be able to obtain a fix outside the reaches of a mobile data network, so it's not suitable for hiking in the desert. However, keep in mind that assisted receivers were implemented in order to comply with the FCC's e911 mandate, ie. being able to relay a mobile's position to the emergency call center. If you can't place a call, this capability is obviously not needed, hence A-GPS works perfectly fine under the conditions for which it was conceived. There is no compromise in accuracy with assisted GPS.

Posted by: Johndoe01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATTILA THE HUN

I will buy only if the 3G is extra for what iphone has now,
any of changes like
1 removing wi-hi so they can charg you for telphony data,
2 3G 1700 band, useless over the world so US iphone stay only in US no over sea buy
and so on I stay with the old one. the price for it will sky rocket.
by the way just bought 16G and keeping it unopened box till the new one comes out.

Exactly! Totally agree! Nobody knows exactly what the 3G iphone gonna be like. What if AT&T will charge extra $5 - $10 for the new data plan (this is what I read from another blog)? One thing we know for sure is that it will be more expensive than the current iphone ($500 - $600) and I ain't pay that much for a phone unless it can cook & make coffee for me

I'm pretty happy with my current iphone now. Don't care much about 3G because I have wifi access almost everywhere I go in my area, don't care much about GPS because I already have GPS in my car. Unless the new 3G iphone surprises me in a big time, I know for sure I won't buy it on day 1!

Posted by: ATTILA THE HUN

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadian studen

^i think you mean the 2100 band for Europe. 1700 if only for T-mobile USA.

No I mean 1700 or any bend that works only in the USA, in this way ATT can be sure that the US iphone stay in the USA and don't go to Europe.
look what happened ATT made a deal with Apple the only ATT will sell the iphone in the USA for the 1st 5 years. let say that Apple was making 10 000 000 iphones ATT was thinking to get them all.
but 4 000 000 was sold to over sea customers.

Posted by: toomer

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Originally Posted by klowngoblin

Ha

Hahahah

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

For someone who consistenly spouts off such vitriol for the iPhone on a regular basis, you seem to have a rather fundamental lack of knowledge on how these technologies work. Your credibility is extremely suspect from here on out...

Here's a primer for you: GPS vs aGPS: A Quick Tutorial

Abraham Lincoln said it best ... 'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

Posted by: fumblerooski

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Originally Posted by Johndoe01

...What if AT&T will charge extra $5 - $10 for the new data plan

Absolutely worth it IMO if you have 3g coverage

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Originally Posted by Johndoe01

...One thing we know for sure is that it will be more expensive than the current iphone ($500 - $600)

Nobody knows that for sure either! There are many rumors (although unlikely) stating that there may be additional subsidies on the next iPhone so Apple will hit its 10M phone goal.

I think it will be the same or less than the current iPhone and the first gen model (those that are left anyway) will see a small decrease in price to get them cleared out.

And I would love GPS. GPS is a huge advantage for urban dwellers that don't use their cars much. I use Google Maps all the time and it's a big help but a little aGPS love would be much appreciated.

Posted by: klowngoblin

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Originally Posted by XFF

Of course, an assisted receiver will not be able to obtain a fix outside the reaches of a mobile data network, so it's not suitable for hiking in the desert. However, keep in mind that assisted receivers were implemented in order to comply with the FCC's e911 mandate, ie. being able to relay a mobile's position to the emergency call center. If you can't place a call, this capability is obviously not needed, hence A-GPS works perfectly fine under the conditions for which it was conceived. There is no compromise in accuracy with assisted GPS.

i have 2 phones 1 with a built in A-GPS chip and i have my tytn with a SirfSTARIII bluetooth gps, the sir star is far more accurate when im running GPS Tuner to get a pinpoint location (jumps only 1-5m)

the phone with A-GPS keeps jumping 10-15+ meters while trying to get an exact location.

edit, i also found this on the internet from GPS comparison PDF

Posted by: klowngoblin

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Originally Posted by toomer

sure, see above post,

anyways, i was indicating that the iphone should have REAL GPS, rather than Assisted, this way you still have coordinates even if you have no cell covereage. it would be best if the new one have both.

also constructive critisism for consumer products is a good thing, if no one complained about apple's products, do you think they would take the time to improve the firmware? no they will just keep selling it.

how many people complained about safari crashing? how many people complained about not being able to send mms?

was something done? yes if apple doesnt do something, someone else will,

Posted by: Kolyan

No thanks i will keep my 1g iphone. 2nd G is plastic junk.

this is good news for me. i get to keep my money !

Posted by: Saoirse1916

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Originally Posted by klowngoblin

anyways, i was indicating that the iphone should have REAL GPS, rather than Assisted, this way you still have coordinates even if you have no cell covereage. it would be best if the new one have both.

Really, you ought to take Toomer's advice and read up on what aGPS actually means. You'll be able to use software to get your GPS coordinates and mapping without cell coverage. http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/...-ready-to-roll/

Posted by: davistld01

I've had several Gen-1 iPhones, but the "bling" wore off quickly and I became very dissatisfied with the horrible earpiece volume, terrible call quality, slug-slow web page loading with EDGE...and some small build quality issues that were probably flukes.

I turned to BlackBerry...and think they are great devices. But, at the price of the new iPhone I might give the iPhone another shot to see if the "drastic improvement in audio" is true...and to see if 3G (just got coverage in my area!!!) is all it's cracked up to be...

But, I'm going to let you early adopters be the guinnea pigs this round...and not me.

Posted by: mi6007

BB Bold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: blips

I will not buy the iPhone without a full Bluetooth stack. So "No, I will not buy the 3G iPhone. I will be waiting for the Nokia E66.

Posted by: Scooter30

I might consider one if AT&T makes 3G available in my area. (I'm not in a large metro)

Posted by: RogerPodacter

some very wrong info on this thread. the iphone agps is REAL gps, it gets info form the satellites. it will just use the assistance server to get the initial lock. agps is a very good thing. the iphone gps will still work in the ocean, or desert, or anywhere without a cell network. it will just take longer to get the gps lock.

people are confusing it with autonomous gps, which triangulates via the cell towers, and yes, its crap.

Posted by: toomer

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Originally Posted by Saoirse1916

Now now, don't cloud his argument with facts. He's amusing to watch when he spouts-off half-loaded with opinions not entirely based in fact.

That he assumes that his SirfStarIII chip is GPS, and therefore all GPS = that much accuracy, is amusing.

What he doesn't know is that the SirfStarIII is classified as a high-sensitivity GPS chip, with about 1,000 times the sensitivity of even chips like ... oh, the SirfStarII. Which was a "GPS" chip, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sensitivity_GPS

aGPS will be as sensitive as GPS. It will Time-To-First-Fix faster in many situations. aGPS will likely not be as sensitive as High Sensitivity GPS.

Posted by: plarsen111

If it can be unlocked. Do you think that will be the case with new 3G? If so, then I will eventually pick it up.

Posted by: flyingdutchman

I was going to buy one until I figured out that my plan would run me $15-$25 more per month for the data and text I currently have. That is $360-$600 over the life of the contract. 3G and GPS are not very important to me. The real upgrade is the 2.0 software.

Posted by: eas

None of the above. I was planning on buying two 3g iPhones (one for me, one for my wife) as soon as they were available, but only if there were 32gb models, which there are not.

There were other features I'd have liked to see, like tethering, but capacity was the only real deal breaker.

I hope they do a bump in the early fall, but that may be too much to hope for.

Posted by: jmy2469

I am able to upgrade my phone and I will be picking up the 3G iPhone.
Right now I have the Sony W810i. I'll be getting the 16gb.

Posted by: BoomerangToss

My bud has 1st gen iPhone and he keeps finding free wi-fi networks popping up all over the place. When he's on wi-fi it's way faster than 3G. It's as fast as his mac access when he wi-fs over it..

He's wi-fi'd free all the way from Tustin to Costa Mesa, CA (home to work).

I only see 2 secure wi-fi networks near the house but if I'm home I would be on my laptop wi-fi not the 3G iPhone.

I know this is OT but I'd really appreciate it if the iPhone listened and talked back to me, dirty even.

I road tripped with my bud in Kansas City where we were both basically lost and he was totally a master of the iPhone, with the GPS while we were in motion, email and uploading photos to his web gallery. Best demo I ever saw.

I asked him what were the features he least used and he said, Calendar, YouTube and stock quotes.

I gave him www.noaa.org for more complete weather info which he likes better than the built in weather widget.

I'd use it most for ipod and phone and checking email probably. It would be nice to have my CD collection with me. Too bad about no stereo bluetooth. I'm a champ at tangling myself with wired earbuds.

Hopefully someone will write a great Usenet newsreader for it (like Xnews [pc]) with tons of grep article killfile and filtering, scoring, etc. I don't do google-news.

Is Apple going to write a finder-like file manager or leave that to a 3rd party? Apple should've done it, imho.

One thing I didn't see mentioned, will it store and display my .pdf files? Would be nice to have my Recipes.pdf and my collection of user manuals in there for travels.

One thing we both agreed is it'll be nice to be on the phone and 3G on the net at the same time!

I'll need my bifocals to use it but so what else is new.

Best,

Andy

Posted by: grullon

yes 4 of them

Posted by: wookiee2cu

More than likely a 16GB black case, I just really hope SlingMedia releases SlingPlayer for the iPhone!! I did their online chat with a support rep last night and asked if they knew if they would be realeasing software for the iPhone in the near future. He responded that it wasn't compatible with the iPhone, I informed him that a 3G had just been announced and he just responded that he wasn't sure then.

Posted by: oldManinFL

I think that I may wait until the end of the year when the 32GB is released for $299 with more features and the 8GB is retired.

Posted by: BoomerangToss

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Originally Posted by melman101

I have a Nikon S700 12.1 megapixel cam so the iPhone is a joke, camera-wise except for it's web gallery and email-ability.

Now if my Nikon could bluetooth 12.1 megapixel photos to the iPhone and then to a web gallery any place on earth, I'd consider that a technological accomplishment.

The TV news has been doing this for decades.

Andy

Posted by: asindc

For me, I'm trying to decide between buying the iPhone 3G when it comes out or waiting to see if the Nokia N96 will have full U.S. 3G functionality. I'm a Nokia fanboy, having not bought any other brand except one Motorola almost ten years ago. The iPhone is quite impressive, but I don't understand why MMS and full Bluetooth functionality were left out.

Posted by: davistld01

For me, it's come down to whether Apple indeed "listened to our customers" and whether the "dramatically improved audio" the Jobsmeister mentioned means dramtically louder earpiece speaker volume, dramaticaly improved speakerphone performance, and dramatically improved reception and call quality.

I'm torn between the new BlackBerry 9000 Bold and the new 3G iPhone.

I might pick up the iPhone first, then if it still sucks in the areas I mentioned earlier...I'll return it for the BlackBerry.